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21st Nov '12 7:07:27 AM erforce

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* Surely, I cannot be the only person who views this series as pretty much a rip-off of ''Film/RedDawn''? A country gets invaded, and who ends up fighting the invaders in a guerrilla war? Why, the local high schoolers of course! Adding in the fact that at least the premise of ''Red Dawn'' is a little believable (The Soviets were a fairly reckonable force after all) since with America getting invaded, the Soviets could have trashed all the US's allies, or taken them as allies. Whereas, the Tomorrow series has a foreign power (Who we never find out exactly who it is) invade Australia, without invading anyone else. Ok, for one thing, what, (if any) strategic value does Australia possess? I'm Australian, and even I realize that invading here is pointless. All the major cities are on the coastlines, the coastlines are fucking huge, with a lot of uninhabited areas. The population is pretty paltry, for a landmass of this size. We have no nuclear arsenal, no major supply stockpiles. We have nothing of any real value (Like fuel or whatnot) We have got a few large diamond/gold/copper mines, but if you're gonna invade a country for that, you're pretty damn stupid. The whole series is patently stupid, and like I say, a rip-off of ''Red Dawn''. And yes, I did have to read the first two books for school, so perhaps that could be part of my reason for hating it.

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* Surely, I cannot be the only person who views this series as pretty much a rip-off of ''Film/RedDawn1984''? A country gets invaded, and who ends up fighting the invaders in a guerrilla war? Why, the local high schoolers of course! Adding in the fact that at least the premise of ''Red Dawn'' is a little believable (The Soviets were a fairly reckonable force after all) since with America getting invaded, the Soviets could have trashed all the US's allies, or taken them as allies. Whereas, the Tomorrow series has a foreign power (Who we never find out exactly who it is) invade Australia, without invading anyone else. Ok, for one thing, what, (if any) strategic value does Australia possess? I'm Australian, and even I realize that invading here is pointless. All the major cities are on the coastlines, the coastlines are fucking huge, with a lot of uninhabited areas. The population is pretty paltry, for a landmass of this size. We have no nuclear arsenal, no major supply stockpiles. We have nothing of any real value (Like fuel or whatnot) We have got a few large diamond/gold/copper mines, but if you're gonna invade a country for that, you're pretty damn stupid. The whole series is patently stupid, and like I say, a rip-off of ''Red Dawn''. And yes, I did have to read the first two books for school, so perhaps that could be part of my reason for hating it.

2nd Oct '12 7:18:54 AM erforce

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* Surely, I cannot be the only person who views this series as pretty much a rip-off of ''RedDawn''? A country gets invaded, and who ends up fighting the invaders in a guerrilla war? Why, the local high schoolers of course! Adding in the fact that at least the premise of ''Red Dawn'' is a little believable (The Soviets were a fairly reckonable force after all) since with America getting invaded, the Soviets could have trashed all the US's allies, or taken them as allies. Whereas, the Tomorrow series has a foreign power (Who we never find out exactly who it is) invade Australia, without invading anyone else. Ok, for one thing, what, (if any) strategic value does Australia possess? I'm Australian, and even I realize that invading here is pointless. All the major cities are on the coastlines, the coastlines are fucking huge, with a lot of uninhabited areas. The population is pretty paltry, for a landmass of this size. We have no nuclear arsenal, no major supply stockpiles. We have nothing of any real value (Like fuel or whatnot) We have got a few large diamond/gold/copper mines, but if you're gonna invade a country for that, you're pretty damn stupid. The whole series is patently stupid, and like I say, a rip-off of ''Red Dawn''. And yes, I did have to read the first two books for school, so perhaps that could be part of my reason for hating it.

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23rd Sep '12 10:20:07 PM Turtler

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** As for why Australia, keep in mind that it's not just a deathtrap. It's a very valuable deathtrap. For one, it's a major Western Ally, a military and industrial powerhouse in the South Pacific, and home to very valuable shipping lanes, resources, and all that land even if a lot of that is marginal. Knocking it out would radically destabilize the West overall and pretty much win the Southwest Pacific for the aggressor. Also as for the population, it's not that fargone as you think. Both of the probable aggressors- China and Indonesia- have population crowding issues, and while the former has a rather empty (by comparison) West, Indonesia doesn't. A big part of the reason why the Indonesian nationalists sought to and eventually did gain control of the entire Dutch East Indies was basically to alleviate overcrowding and resource shortages on the home island of Java. If they somehow exhaust their own resources again, they could do a lot, *lot* worse than going after Australia particularly if they are that advanced as the book's (incredible) logistics indicate.

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22nd Jun '12 4:12:25 PM Nocturna

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8th May '12 6:02:12 PM Eoppen

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* Major spoilers for books 4 and 5: [[spoiler: If aviation fuel trucks react so violently to small arms fire, why did the Kiwi's try to infiltrate the base, rather than just snipe the trucks from 3km away?]] (This isn't quite annoying enough to put on the main page under 'fridge logic'.)

* Spoiler for Book 4: [[spoiler: When they came up with the brilliant idea to send these kids back to Australia to act as pathfinders for the New Zealand commandoes, why didn't they equip them with, oh, say, ''uniforms'' and ''false identification?'' Much as ThisTroper hates to admit it, the enemy had every right to shoot them out of hand on capture instead of hauling them off to Stratton Prison in Book 3; they ''were'' waging war out of uniform and were not legal combatants under any version of the Geneva Conventions.  And they were still under sentence of imprisonment or death (Ellie and Homer); giving them a chance to plausibly claim to be legitimate ANZAC soldiers and to give false names in the event of capture would seem like basic good sense.]]

19th Jul '11 5:02:32 PM TheRedRedKroovy

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19th Jul '11 5:02:18 PM TheRedRedKroovy

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* Surely, I cannot be the only person who views this series as pretty much a rip-off of RedDawn? A country gets invaded, and who ends up fighting the invaders in a guerrilla war? Why, the local high schoolers of course! Adding in the fact that at least the premise of Red Dawn is a little believable (The Soviets were a fairly reckonable force after all) since with America getting invaded, the Soviets could have trashed all the US's allies, or taken them as allies. Whereas, the Tomorrow series has a foreign power (Who we never find out exactly who it is) invade Australia, without invading anyone else. Ok, for one thing, what, (if any) strategic value does Australia posess? I'm Australian, and even I realize that invading here is pointless. All the major cities are on the coastlines, the coastlines are fucking huge, with a lot of uninhabited areas. The population is pretty paltry, for a landmass of this size. We have no nuclear arsenal, no major supply stockpiles. We have nothing of any real value (Like fuel or whatnot) We have got a few large diamond/gold/copper mines, but if you're gonna invade a country for that, you're pretty damn stupid. The whole series is patently stupid, and like I say, a rip-off of Red Dawn. And yes, I did have to read the first two books for school, so perhaps that could be part of my reason for hating it.

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*** That's [[Tropers/TheRedRedKroovy this troper's]] theory as well. The leader in charge of Whateverplace, desperate to hold onto power, decided that a war was the best way to provoke PatrioticFervor and quell the opposition, and that Australia, possessing a lot of natural resources (see the next paragraph) as well as being a very wealthy nation ([[InsaneTrollLogic and therefore "imperialist"]]), was a tempting target. In the movie, the radio broadcast said that Whateverplace was invading Australia for its resources in general, which sounds better than the book's explanation that they invaded for arable land (Australia's facing problems with overpopulation and water scarcity already). It's similar to a WMG I read for ''BattleLosAngeles'' -- Whateverplace has been pushed to the brink by resource scarcity and unrest, and attacked Australia out of desperation.//
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And about Australia's natural resources, and what the OP said about them: the country has a lot more than just gems and precious metals. Australia is home to some ''very'' large supplies of iron, coal, nickel, aluminum, uranium, rare earths, zinc and, yes, copper (it's a lot more important than you realize) -- basically, the foundations of industrial civilization. If I were, say, an alien general leading an invasion of Earth, Australia would be near the top of my target list for that reason alone.

5th Jul '11 7:06:06 PM Odon

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* Surely, I cannot be the only person who views this series as pretty much a rip-off of Red Dawn? A country gets invaded, and who ends up fighting the invaders in a guerrilla war? Why, the local high schoolers of course! Adding in the fact that at least the premise of Red Dawn is a little believable (The Soviets were a fairly reckonable force after all) since with America getting invaded, the Soviets could have trashed all the US's allies, or taken them as allies. Whereas, the Tomorrow series has a foreign power (Who we never find out exactly who it is) invade Australia, without invading anyone else. Ok, for one thing, what, (if any) strategic value does Australia posess? I'm Australian, and even I realize that invading here is pointless. All the major cities are on the coastlines, the coastlines are fucking huge, with a lot of uninhabited areas. The population is pretty paltry, for a landmass of this size. We have no nuclear arsenal, no major supply stockpiles. We have nothing of any real value (Like fuel or whatnot) We have got a few large diamond/gold/copper mines, but if you're gonna invade a country for that, you're pretty damn stupid. The whole series is patently stupid, and like I say, a rip-off of Red Dawn. And yes, I did have to read the first two books for school, so perhaps that could be part of my reason for hating it.

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2nd Jul '11 7:57:17 AM Odon

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