History Headscratchers / TheThrawnTrilogy

4th Feb '16 7:44:59 PM ArcaneAzmadi
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* Han specifically points out that the smugglers' potential customers won't be paying the kinds of tarrifs and taxes that make smuggling worthwhile, probably because the New Republic did exactly what you're suggesting, and didn't apply those taxes because they wanted the smugglers' assistance. Whether they wanted the smugglers to provide specifically military transport or not is a separate question, all Han says is that they need them to "get interstellar trade going again." Which still means that they need the smugglers on the payroll, mind you -- it does the NR no good if Planet X needs Planet Y's yearly MacGuffin crop, but the smugglers only want to ship Plotonium because it has higher margins.
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* Han specifically points out that the smugglers' potential customers won't be paying the kinds of tarrifs and taxes that make smuggling worthwhile, probably because the New Republic did exactly what you're suggesting, and didn't apply those taxes because they wanted the smugglers' assistance. Whether they wanted the smugglers to provide specifically military transport or not is a separate question, all Han says is that they need them to "get interstellar trade going again." Which still means that they need the smugglers on the payroll, mind you -- it does the NR no good if Planet X needs Planet Y's yearly MacGuffin crop, but the smugglers only want to ship Plotonium because it has higher margins.margins. [[WMG:How can the clone of Jorus C'Baoth refer to HIMSELF as "Joruus C'Baoth" and not realise he's a clone?]] Do clones have some kind of automatic mental tick that makes them automatically pronounce the name of any clone, themselves included, with an extended "uu" sound? Joruus can pronounce Luke's name perfectly normally, but then introduces Luke's clone at the end as "Luuke Skywalker", so clearly he's aware of the difference. But he reacts with first surprise, then incredulity when Luke tells him that he's a clone, clearly not believing it. [[WMG:For that matter, who thought it'd be a good idea to grow an accelerated clone of an Old Republic-loyalist Jedi master with the Emperor's Spaaarti Cylinders anyway?]] Well SOMEONE had to have ordered C'Baoth's creation from the cell sample that Thrawn theorised had been taken before Outbound Flight. The most likely candidate is that the Guardian created C'Baoth (since he was in charge of protecting the safehouse) but the question remains... why? Especially since the C'Baoth clone would eventually kill the Guardian.
26th Jan '16 12:52:22 PM SSJMagus
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** If the CGT were moved, there would be the risk of New Republic Intelligence catching on. Which might change the timetable of the Bilbringi attack or even cause it to be called off entirely. Now moving the ''Tangrene'' CGT, that would've fit quite well with Thrawn's plan because if discovered it would've given the impression he'd been fooled by the New Republic's plan. But for all we know, a CGT might be something that's not particularly easy to move on short notice. As for sabotaging the Bilbringi CGT as a contingency plan in case the New Republic managed to take the shipyard...well who says he didn't? But if he did, it wouldn't have mattered. Rigging to show false positives wouldn't have worked since filling the area of detection with turbolaser fire and hitting nothing would rapidly expose the deception. And if the CGT was rigged to ignore some cloaked objects, that would've been ineffective because the New Republic really had destroyed all of the cloaked asteroids.

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** It was simply a matter of him having a power that Thrawn knew nothing about. C'Baoth had never before demonstrated the ability to permanently alter a person's brain like that. The idea that he might seize control of Covell and his troops on the trip to Wayland was probably considered unimportant, because as soon as he entered Mount Tantiss that control would be broken by the ysalamiri.
2nd Dec '15 6:35:01 PM TheCriticalAndroid
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** In general, when using a pronoun, it's use is supposed to take the place of the subject that was last mentioned. In this case the last subject is not Pellaeon in the phrase "Pellaeon's astonishment" but Thrawn in "the Grand Admiral smiled." The pronoun follows that statement and would therefore refer to the Grand Admiral.
11th Aug '15 8:39:44 PM ErikModi
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*** Another supporting bit is the frigate captain griping right before Sluis Van kicks off about his warship having been temporarily demilitarized and forced to serve as a glorified transport. If you're pulling Nebulon-B's off the firing line during a war and using them to move stuff around, then you are ''seriously'' hurting for military freight transport capacity.
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*** Another supporting bit is the frigate captain griping right before Sluis Van kicks off about his warship having been temporarily demilitarized and forced to serve as a glorified transport. If you're pulling Nebulon-B's off the firing line during a war and using them to move stuff around, then you are ''seriously'' hurting for military freight transport capacity.capacity. * Han specifically points out that the smugglers' potential customers won't be paying the kinds of tarrifs and taxes that make smuggling worthwhile, probably because the New Republic did exactly what you're suggesting, and didn't apply those taxes because they wanted the smugglers' assistance. Whether they wanted the smugglers to provide specifically military transport or not is a separate question, all Han says is that they need them to "get interstellar trade going again." Which still means that they need the smugglers on the payroll, mind you -- it does the NR no good if Planet X needs Planet Y's yearly MacGuffin crop, but the smugglers only want to ship Plotonium because it has higher margins.
11th Aug '15 8:32:01 PM ErikModi
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* Delta Source was located in a ''very'' public place, eavsdropping on everything said there. Getting every single being who passed through on board with the disinformation campaign, without one single person accidentally spilling the beans, would have been ridiculously complex. Besides, by destroying it and rendering the Imperial Palace safe again, they scored a major morale victory.
11th Aug '15 8:29:32 PM ErikModi
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* 1) Thrawn was cloning ground troops and vehicle crews, not just ship crew, so the figures of needed personnel were much higher, 2) It's established early on that most of the current Imperial military is made up of "young men and women, most conscripted from their homeworlds by force or threat of force." The Empire doesn't enjoy the "support" (if that's the right word) it had when Palpatine was alive, most Imperial planets don't want to be Imperial anymore, and you can only get so far with consription before it's more trouble than it's worth. Conscripted soldiers are also not the most loyal. 3) The Empire still had functional shipyards, and were still churning out Imperial Star Destroyers, which would also need crew. Thrawn's cloning breakthrough just meant that they were churning out troops faster than they were ships, so he needed an infusion of warships to get the ball rolling. 4) The 150+ ''Katana'' fleet Dreadnoughts couldn't turn the tide by themselves, but did make enough of an immediate difference that Thrawn could make more daring and more effective attacks, and the first thing he did was take Ukio, an agricultural planet, to obtain the food supplies he'd need to sustain his ever-growing military. 5) The ''Katana'' fleet was stranded in deep space, not much out there to impact them just standing still. Besides, Karrde mentions that the ships were active when he ran into them, so they may have still had their low-grade particle shields (the kind designed to protect against micrometorite impacts) up.
11th Aug '15 8:20:39 PM ErikModi
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** CGTs clearly have more uses than just detecting cloaked masses, since there wouldn't be a need for them since a practical cloaking shield hadn't been in use until Thrawn's offensive. So the Empire had them because they were useful for something. Thrawn didn't move them because he needed bait to draw the New Republic fleet into an engagement of his choosing.
11th Aug '15 8:09:41 PM ErikModi
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* To add to what's said above, it's made clear that as far as Zahn thought at the time, it wasn't widely known what Vader's fate was and what happened on the Death Star: Mara was certain that her false vision that Vader and Luke both turned on the Emperor and violently killed him was true until Luke corrected her (and did not know that Vader was Luke's father until he told her on Wayland), while Karrde believed that Darth Vader was still alive and that the Empire might find and recover him one day.
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* To add to what's said above, it's made clear that as far as Zahn thought at the time, it wasn't widely known what Vader's fate was and what happened on the Death Star: Mara was certain that her false vision that Vader and Luke both turned on the Emperor and violently killed him was true until Luke corrected her (and did not know that Vader was Luke's father until he the Noghri told her on Wayland), while Karrde believed that Darth Vader was still alive and that the Empire might find and recover him one day.
11th Aug '15 8:07:33 PM ErikModi
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* There were other, not-inconsiderable tactical goals. Primarily, proving Grand Admiral Thrawn is capable of being outsmarted (though that one was dead a-borning, since he anticipated their real attack and saw through their fake preparations), and cripple one of the Empire's major remaining shipyards.
17th Dec '14 10:06:34 AM FordPrefect
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*** As I recall, the smugglers weren't worried about tariffs (for one thing, the Republic would not be ''charging'' tariffs on their own government shipments, and for another, tariffs are something paid by the owner of the cargo being imported into the jurisdiction, not by the freight handler), they were worried that it was a police sting operation to get the smugglers to come in willingly at which point the Republic Navy would just arrest them and seize their ships. As for 'just seize the ships'... in addition to the fact that smugglers don't stay in business very long if the authorities know where they're stashing their stuff, its not just the ''ships'' that the Republic needs (as you point out, there's any # of commercial hulls that they can requisition), its also their ''crews''. The Republic Navy is already overstretched, so even if you gave the New Republic a bunch of shiny new spaceships they'd lack experienced people to fly them. And to get smuggler crews, you need willing cooperation from smugglers.
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*** As I recall, the smugglers weren't worried about tariffs (for one thing, the Republic would not be ''charging'' tariffs on their own government shipments, and for another, tariffs are something paid by the owner of the cargo being imported into the jurisdiction, not by the freight handler), they were worried that it was a police sting operation to get the smugglers to come in willingly at which point the Republic Navy would just arrest them and seize their ships. As for 'just seize the ships'... in addition to the fact that smugglers don't stay in business very long if the authorities know where they're stashing their stuff, its it's not just the ''ships'' that the Republic needs (as you point out, there's any # of commercial hulls that they can requisition), its it's also their ''crews''. The Republic Navy is already overstretched, so even if you gave the New Republic a bunch of shiny new spaceships spaceships, they'd lack experienced people to fly them. And to get smuggler crews, you need willing cooperation from smugglers.
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