History Headscratchers / TheThrawnTrilogy

21st Aug '16 10:35:50 PM OafishVulture
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* Thrawn had several weaknesses, despite his brilliance. One of those weaknesses was a tendency to underestimate or look down on things he could not fully understand nor personally experience-such as the force, or the Noghri's traditions of honor. Another was his arrogance and pride-note the flashes of anger, even rage, when his orders are defied. Third, these traits lead him to leave the unexpected out of his planning, and he rarely anticipates that any changes will occur which he does not expect. Ultimately, Thrawn didn't string together the ideas that a) the apparently docile Noghri would ever defy one of his commands, b) the fact that they might identify Vader's family by scent, c) that Vader's child would have enough standing to warrant some measure of protection from him, and d) that his deception of the Noghri would be discovered, and backfire in such an explosive way.
8th Aug '16 10:41:18 PM AnimeSunglasses
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** Plus, y'know, armor.
8th Aug '16 10:37:31 PM AnimeSunglasses
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** You're assuming that the CGT is easily replaced. It clearly isn't, when there are less than a half a dozen in the GALAXY, according to the New Republic's Intelligence Service. It's described as "semi-rare," probably indicating that it's a well understood technology, but one that isn't manufactured often. Why? I suspect that it may have relatively few uses (that can't also be done by other types of sensors), be too large or delicate for common installation in starships, and perhaps most likely, is ''REALLY EXPENSIVE'' to manufacture! The Empire is strapped for resources and manufacturing capacity, enough so that conquering one major agriworld makes the difference between being able to adequately feed the crews of 150 or so new cruisers; and that the loss of one Star Destroyer is not merely an embarrassment, but a potentially serious blow to the Navy's ability to fight. Thrawn often errs on the side of not disposing of people when you might expect him to - Ferrier, Mara, C'Baoth - so he is certainly not likely to sabotage an expensive piece of equipment unless he has a desperate or VERY strategically useful reason. He probably doesn't expect the asteroid blockade to last indefinitely anyway...
23rd Jul '16 12:55:08 PM fibonnaciseries
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*** Actually, I'm pretty sure it's your timing that's off, not the OP's. Karrde gives the New Republic the evidence that there were only twenty two asteroids when he's on Coruscant. After having done so, he and Leia fly from Coruscant to Wayland; from what I recall at least a week's flight. They arrive on Wayland during the raid on Mt. Tantiss. Pellaeon receives word of this raid during the Battle of Bilbringi; depending on how you think the interstellar communication works, either concurrent to, or after, the events on Wayland, but obviously not before. Therefore, there was at very minimum the span of time it takes to fly from Coruscant to Wayland between when the New Republic was told that they'd taken care of all the asteroids and the start of the Battle of Bilbringi in which they could have called off the attack, had they been willing to trust the evidence given to them by Karrde.
20th Jul '16 7:38:14 PM phoenixrider
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** Hate to reach for the copout answer but, well, the guy is insane. And insanity by definition can ignore the bleedingly obvious. In his mind he simultaneously thinks The correct name was always Joruus while saying Jorus. Or his mind is simply incapable of conceiving he is a clone of someone else. He could have even created memories to fit his own delusion of changing his name and ending up on Wayland. In the end, yeah it's not a problem when the insane guy's logic makes no sense.
5th Mar '16 9:12:14 PM julietvalcouer
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** It's stated ''in this very trilogy'' that the original Jorus C'Baoth worked closely with Palpatine before being sent off with the Outbound Flight Project. It wouldn't be difficult for Palpatine to have gained the sample...and Palpatine might have done the cloning job himself, seeing potential for a new partner. Heck, ''Literature/OutboundFlight'' suggests that [[spoiler:Joruus C'Baoth's insanity might not have been Spaarti clone madness after all, since the original exhibited similar tendencies.]]

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** It's stated ''in this very trilogy'' that the original Jorus C'Baoth worked closely with Palpatine before being sent off with the Outbound Flight Project. It wouldn't be difficult for Palpatine to have gained the sample...and Palpatine might have done the cloning job himself, seeing potential for a new partner. Heck, ''Literature/OutboundFlight'' suggests that [[spoiler:Joruus C'Baoth's insanity might not have been Spaarti clone madness after all, since the original exhibited similar tendencies.]]
** Above spoiler kind of opens up a plot hole as [[spoiler: Thrawn should KNOW that there's a very good chance C'baoth isn't just clone madness and not be thinking that maybe growing a replacement was a good idea. He met the original, he knows said original was crazy, and while he wasn't really infallible that seems like a bad enough idea he wouldn't even need anyone to explain why it's a bad idea.
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20th Feb '16 10:16:26 PM MarsJenkar
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** It's stated ''in this very trilogy'' that the original Jorus C'Baoth worked closely with Palpatine before being sent off with the Outbound Flight Project. It wouldn't be difficult for Palpatine to have gained the sample...and Palpatine might have done the cloning job himself, seeing potential for a new partner. Heck, ''Literature/OutboundFlight' suggests that [[spoiler:Joruus C'Baoth's insanity might not have been Spaarti clone madness after all, since the original exhibited similar tendencies.]]

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** It's stated ''in this very trilogy'' that the original Jorus C'Baoth worked closely with Palpatine before being sent off with the Outbound Flight Project. It wouldn't be difficult for Palpatine to have gained the sample...and Palpatine might have done the cloning job himself, seeing potential for a new partner. Heck, ''Literature/OutboundFlight' ''Literature/OutboundFlight'' suggests that [[spoiler:Joruus C'Baoth's insanity might not have been Spaarti clone madness after all, since the original exhibited similar tendencies.]]
20th Feb '16 10:15:57 PM MarsJenkar
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** It's stated ''in this very trilogy'' that the original Jorus C'Baoth worked closely with Palpatine before being sent off with the Outbound Flight Project. It wouldn't be difficult for Palpatine to have gained the sample...and given how the original C'Baoth ended up in ''Literature/OutboundFlight'', Palpatine might have done the cloning job himself, seeing potential for a new partner, though depending on when it was done and how much direct supervision by Palpatine was involved, the job might have been botched. Or it might have been exactly what Palpatine was going for. Who knows?

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** It's stated ''in this very trilogy'' that the original Jorus C'Baoth worked closely with Palpatine before being sent off with the Outbound Flight Project. It wouldn't be difficult for Palpatine to have gained the sample...and given how the original C'Baoth ended up in ''Literature/OutboundFlight'', Palpatine might have done the cloning job himself, seeing potential for a new partner, though depending on when it was done and how much direct supervision by Palpatine was involved, the job partner. Heck, ''Literature/OutboundFlight' suggests that [[spoiler:Joruus C'Baoth's insanity might not have been botched. Or it might have been exactly what Palpatine was going for. Who knows?Spaarti clone madness after all, since the original exhibited similar tendencies.]]
20th Feb '16 10:12:55 PM MarsJenkar
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Well SOMEONE had to have ordered C'Baoth's creation from the cell sample that Thrawn theorised had been taken before Outbound Flight. The most likely candidate is that the Guardian created C'Baoth (since he was in charge of protecting the safehouse) but the question remains... why? Especially since the C'Baoth clone would eventually kill the Guardian.

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* Well SOMEONE had to have ordered C'Baoth's creation from the cell sample that Thrawn theorised had been taken before Outbound Flight. The most likely candidate is that the Guardian created C'Baoth (since he was in charge of protecting the safehouse) but the question remains... why? Especially since the C'Baoth clone would eventually kill the Guardian.Guardian.
** It's stated ''in this very trilogy'' that the original Jorus C'Baoth worked closely with Palpatine before being sent off with the Outbound Flight Project. It wouldn't be difficult for Palpatine to have gained the sample...and given how the original C'Baoth ended up in ''Literature/OutboundFlight'', Palpatine might have done the cloning job himself, seeing potential for a new partner, though depending on when it was done and how much direct supervision by Palpatine was involved, the job might have been botched. Or it might have been exactly what Palpatine was going for. Who knows?
4th Feb '16 7:44:59 PM ArcaneAzmadi
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* Han specifically points out that the smugglers' potential customers won't be paying the kinds of tarrifs and taxes that make smuggling worthwhile, probably because the New Republic did exactly what you're suggesting, and didn't apply those taxes because they wanted the smugglers' assistance. Whether they wanted the smugglers to provide specifically military transport or not is a separate question, all Han says is that they need them to "get interstellar trade going again." Which still means that they need the smugglers on the payroll, mind you -- it does the NR no good if Planet X needs Planet Y's yearly MacGuffin crop, but the smugglers only want to ship Plotonium because it has higher margins.

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* Han specifically points out that the smugglers' potential customers won't be paying the kinds of tarrifs and taxes that make smuggling worthwhile, probably because the New Republic did exactly what you're suggesting, and didn't apply those taxes because they wanted the smugglers' assistance. Whether they wanted the smugglers to provide specifically military transport or not is a separate question, all Han says is that they need them to "get interstellar trade going again." Which still means that they need the smugglers on the payroll, mind you -- it does the NR no good if Planet X needs Planet Y's yearly MacGuffin crop, but the smugglers only want to ship Plotonium because it has higher margins.margins.

[[WMG:How can the clone of Jorus C'Baoth refer to HIMSELF as "Joruus C'Baoth" and not realise he's a clone?]]
Do clones have some kind of automatic mental tick that makes them automatically pronounce the name of any clone, themselves included, with an extended "uu" sound? Joruus can pronounce Luke's name perfectly normally, but then introduces Luke's clone at the end as "Luuke Skywalker", so clearly he's aware of the difference. But he reacts with first surprise, then incredulity when Luke tells him that he's a clone, clearly not believing it.

[[WMG:For that matter, who thought it'd be a good idea to grow an accelerated clone of an Old Republic-loyalist Jedi master with the Emperor's Spaaarti Cylinders anyway?]]
Well SOMEONE had to have ordered C'Baoth's creation from the cell sample that Thrawn theorised had been taken before Outbound Flight. The most likely candidate is that the Guardian created C'Baoth (since he was in charge of protecting the safehouse) but the question remains... why? Especially since the C'Baoth clone would eventually kill the Guardian.
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