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11th Feb '18 10:56:19 PM Scooter007
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* Also, just the discovery of Delta Source itself would have been recorded and relayed by Delta Source (there's a scene shortly before its discovery that shows it is not discriminating when it comes to relaying what it records). Remember, they had to dig down a loooooonng way under one of the trees to find the actual transmitter, and there were a whole line of trees still operating nearby.
12th Dec '17 10:59:09 PM DilanduAlbato
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*** Thrawn may knew that Vader is Anakin Skywalker. But Noghri almost certainly did not knew that at all. We don't know, how long ago Darth Vader visited Noghri the last time, but it clearly was sufficiently long ago, that the absolute majority of young Noghri (which represent the majority on Noghri outworld) simply could not meet Vader personally. And thus they probably have no clue about the Vader's scent and could not compare. The Khabarakh was probably the statistical anomaly, who was old enough to actually meet Vader & remember his scent.
7th Dec '17 4:26:25 AM Kalibre
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*** At this point, the Bounty Hunter's Guild is still in disarray and not re-established after Boba Fett caused the entire Guild to collapse on itself. The Imperial Handbook mentions that where hunters are concerned, "the highest bid makers the rules," meaning they tend to side with the faction that has the most credits. With the Remnant controlling less than a quarter of the systems they once held, they clearly didn't have the credits. Also, it's made fairly clear in The Bounty Hunter's Code that dealing with the Imperial Security Bureau is nothing short of a headache, having to pay extra fees and submitting nearly useless paperwork just to move "acquisitions" between system borders (to say nothing of the bribes). Any excuse to avoid dealing with them at this point (even if based on morals) is probably a valid one at the same time.
7th Dec '17 4:03:33 AM Kalibre
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*** To add to the first response, the EU canon states that after the Truce at Bakura the Remnant itself was fractured and fell into fractioning off systems where admirals or even single starship captains declaring themselves independent warlords, all trying to hold on to their meager scraps. As xenophobic as most of the Imperial Fleet was, not every Imperial commander heeded Thrawn's announcement of his return, like the [[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Pentastar_Alignment Pentastar Alignment]] and the [[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ciutric_Hegemony Ciutric Hegemony]]. Thrawn himself was only able to trust six Star Destroyers from Bastion (the Remnant core worlds), and he ''still'' had to fill the ranks with conscripts. In all, it kinda adds a little more impressiveness to Thrawn, when you consider how much he nearly accomplished almost single-handedly; had he more of the Remnant to support him, the Empire might have risen once again.
17th Oct '17 8:04:22 AM Conhale
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** Regardless of who ''would'' say it, it could only be the Grand Admiral. Captain Pellaeon was struck in the throat by Rukh as part of the same assault and could barely speak when ordering the retreat. One would think that, for the sake of sheer consistency, if he DID whisper the line, it would also be similarly forced or raspy.
15th Sep '17 8:36:29 PM Binks
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*** Right at the start of the first book (chapter 2 actually), Han gives his spiel about the deal the New Republic is offering and notes that they're looking to pay for ships to move goods around. The smuggler he's talking to notes that they're not likely to be interested in taking the jobs because A) They don't trust the New Republic not to try and arrest them for past crimes if they come forward to take the deal and B) They can probably make more money illegally shipping those same goods than the New Republic would be willing to pay them. Kind of hard to conscript someone who already makes a living keeping away from law enforcement too...
26th Aug '17 2:39:40 AM SeptimusHeap
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Thrawn knew from the start that Leia is Luke Skywalker's sister. He knew that the Noghri had a near-religious awe of Darth Vader. But he still sent them after Vader's kids. That seems a little unwise, doesn't it? ''ShadowsOfTheEmpire'' has a villain not nearly as brilliant as Thrawn realizing that Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker. ''Tattooine Ghost'' has that being common knowledge on Tattooine. If a SmugSnake could figure it out, if random people on the street knew, ''Thrawn would have known''.
* CanonDiscontinuity strikes again. Or perhaps ArmedWithCanon. There's never been any real consensus about how many people knew that Vader was Anakin Skywalker, especially in 1991 when Zahn was writing. (Remember--''Tatooine Ghost'' and ''ShadowsOfTheEmpire'' were written '''years''' later.) At the time, the assumption (and {{Fanon}}) was that no one knew, and the records were spotty at best (easy enough, with the Emperor centralizing power and eliminating "dissidents")--so Luke and Leia ran with it, and the official line was that Anakin Skywalker ''was'' a Jedi, but Darth Vader killed him in the purge along with all the others, and Luke and Leia were his children, who were hidden away by Obi-Wan (at the time, Owen Lars was believed to be ''Obi-Wan's'' brother) and Bail Organa respectively.

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Thrawn knew from the start that Leia is Luke Skywalker's sister. He knew that the Noghri had a near-religious awe of Darth Vader. But he still sent them after Vader's kids. That seems a little unwise, doesn't it? ''ShadowsOfTheEmpire'' ''Literature/ShadowsOfTheEmpire'' has a villain not nearly as brilliant as Thrawn realizing that Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker. ''Tattooine Ghost'' has that being common knowledge on Tattooine. If a SmugSnake could figure it out, if random people on the street knew, ''Thrawn would have known''.
* CanonDiscontinuity strikes again. Or perhaps ArmedWithCanon. There's never been any real consensus about how many people knew that Vader was Anakin Skywalker, especially in 1991 when Zahn was writing. (Remember--''Tatooine Ghost'' and ''ShadowsOfTheEmpire'' ''Literature/ShadowsOfTheEmpire'' were written '''years''' later.) At the time, the assumption (and {{Fanon}}) was that no one knew, and the records were spotty at best (easy enough, with the Emperor centralizing power and eliminating "dissidents")--so Luke and Leia ran with it, and the official line was that Anakin Skywalker ''was'' a Jedi, but Darth Vader killed him in the purge along with all the others, and Luke and Leia were his children, who were hidden away by Obi-Wan (at the time, Owen Lars was believed to be ''Obi-Wan's'' brother) and Bail Organa respectively.
11th Jul '17 1:31:35 PM lorgskyegon
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** Because the Imperial remnant is disorganized and doesn't have the money or manpower to waste on trying to get heroes of the Rebellion (who are likely to be extremely well protected at all times) killed. Not to mention that it would seriously piss off the New Republic to hear about it and would likely be cause for a more direct and forceful push to destroy the Imperials.



* In the second book, Thrawn makes sure that Ferrier will do as he's told by rigging his spaceship with a time-delayed bomb. But Ferrier is one of the galaxy's best spaceship thieves. What's to stop him from just ditching his ship and grabbing a new one?

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* In the second book, Thrawn makes sure that Ferrier will do as he's told by rigging his spaceship with a time-delayed bomb. But Ferrier is one of the galaxy's best spaceship thieves. What's to stop him from just ditching his ship and grabbing a new one?one?
** The threat isn't just from the bomb. If Ferrier runs on Thrawn, Thrawn has the might of the entire Imperial remnant to send after him. Ferrier has to think about his future.
11th Jul '17 1:16:43 PM lorgskyegon
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** Not to mention proof that all the asteroids were gone would be provided.
29th Jun '17 5:34:14 PM Thanos6
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** To spackle the plot hole mentioned above, as revealed in backstory it may be [[GoodIsNotNice a stretch to call Thrawn outright evil]] so it might seem superficially petty, but he and the original C'baoth had a very nasty encounter which contributed directly to [[spoiler: the death of Thrawn's brother, the death of C'baoth's apprentice, the apparent deaths of everyone on Outbound Flight, and also involved Thrawn's first experience being Force-choked.]] With the clone programming he's developed and the ysalamiri, it's possible the notion of having a supply of clones he can use and dispose of made from someone he has personal reason to hate is him taking a moment to PayEvilUntoEvil. (And anyone who's read ''Literature/OutboundFlight'' probably doesn't have a problem with C'baoth as the target.)

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** To spackle the plot hole mentioned above, as revealed in backstory it may be [[GoodIsNotNice a stretch to call Thrawn outright evil]] so it might seem superficially petty, but he and the original C'baoth had a very nasty encounter which contributed directly to [[spoiler: the death of Thrawn's brother, the death of C'baoth's apprentice, the apparent deaths of everyone on Outbound Flight, and also involved Thrawn's first experience being Force-choked.]] With the clone programming he's developed and the ysalamiri, it's possible the notion of having a supply of clones he can use and dispose of made from someone he has personal reason to hate is him taking a moment to PayEvilUntoEvil. (And anyone who's read ''Literature/OutboundFlight'' probably doesn't have a problem with C'baoth as the target.))

[[WMG:Bounties on Luke, Leia, and Han]]
* In the first book, Luke says he doesn't think there's any bounties on him, his sister, or his brother-in-law at the moment. Why in the galaxy would the Empire ever ''not'' have bounties on them? Short of Mon Mothma or Admiral Ackbar, there's nobody the Imperials should want more!

[[WMG:Controlling Niles Ferrier]]
* In the second book, Thrawn makes sure that Ferrier will do as he's told by rigging his spaceship with a time-delayed bomb. But Ferrier is one of the galaxy's best spaceship thieves. What's to stop him from just ditching his ship and grabbing a new one?
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