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17th Oct '17 8:04:22 AM Conhale
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** Regardless of who ''would'' say it, it could only be the Grand Admiral. Captain Pellaeon was struck in the throat by Rukh as part of the same assault and could barely speak when ordering the retreat. One would think that, for the sake of sheer consistency, if he DID whisper the line, it would also be similarly forced or raspy.
15th Sep '17 8:36:29 PM Binks
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*** Right at the start of the first book (chapter 2 actually), Han gives his spiel about the deal the New Republic is offering and notes that they're looking to pay for ships to move goods around. The smuggler he's talking to notes that they're not likely to be interested in taking the jobs because A) They don't trust the New Republic not to try and arrest them for past crimes if they come forward to take the deal and B) They can probably make more money illegally shipping those same goods than the New Republic would be willing to pay them. Kind of hard to conscript someone who already makes a living keeping away from law enforcement too...
26th Aug '17 2:39:40 AM SeptimusHeap
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Thrawn knew from the start that Leia is Luke Skywalker's sister. He knew that the Noghri had a near-religious awe of Darth Vader. But he still sent them after Vader's kids. That seems a little unwise, doesn't it? ''ShadowsOfTheEmpire'' has a villain not nearly as brilliant as Thrawn realizing that Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker. ''Tattooine Ghost'' has that being common knowledge on Tattooine. If a SmugSnake could figure it out, if random people on the street knew, ''Thrawn would have known''.
* CanonDiscontinuity strikes again. Or perhaps ArmedWithCanon. There's never been any real consensus about how many people knew that Vader was Anakin Skywalker, especially in 1991 when Zahn was writing. (Remember--''Tatooine Ghost'' and ''ShadowsOfTheEmpire'' were written '''years''' later.) At the time, the assumption (and {{Fanon}}) was that no one knew, and the records were spotty at best (easy enough, with the Emperor centralizing power and eliminating "dissidents")--so Luke and Leia ran with it, and the official line was that Anakin Skywalker ''was'' a Jedi, but Darth Vader killed him in the purge along with all the others, and Luke and Leia were his children, who were hidden away by Obi-Wan (at the time, Owen Lars was believed to be ''Obi-Wan's'' brother) and Bail Organa respectively.

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Thrawn knew from the start that Leia is Luke Skywalker's sister. He knew that the Noghri had a near-religious awe of Darth Vader. But he still sent them after Vader's kids. That seems a little unwise, doesn't it? ''ShadowsOfTheEmpire'' ''Literature/ShadowsOfTheEmpire'' has a villain not nearly as brilliant as Thrawn realizing that Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker. ''Tattooine Ghost'' has that being common knowledge on Tattooine. If a SmugSnake could figure it out, if random people on the street knew, ''Thrawn would have known''.
* CanonDiscontinuity strikes again. Or perhaps ArmedWithCanon. There's never been any real consensus about how many people knew that Vader was Anakin Skywalker, especially in 1991 when Zahn was writing. (Remember--''Tatooine Ghost'' and ''ShadowsOfTheEmpire'' ''Literature/ShadowsOfTheEmpire'' were written '''years''' later.) At the time, the assumption (and {{Fanon}}) was that no one knew, and the records were spotty at best (easy enough, with the Emperor centralizing power and eliminating "dissidents")--so Luke and Leia ran with it, and the official line was that Anakin Skywalker ''was'' a Jedi, but Darth Vader killed him in the purge along with all the others, and Luke and Leia were his children, who were hidden away by Obi-Wan (at the time, Owen Lars was believed to be ''Obi-Wan's'' brother) and Bail Organa respectively.
11th Jul '17 1:31:35 PM lorgskyegon
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** Because the Imperial remnant is disorganized and doesn't have the money or manpower to waste on trying to get heroes of the Rebellion (who are likely to be extremely well protected at all times) killed. Not to mention that it would seriously piss off the New Republic to hear about it and would likely be cause for a more direct and forceful push to destroy the Imperials.



* In the second book, Thrawn makes sure that Ferrier will do as he's told by rigging his spaceship with a time-delayed bomb. But Ferrier is one of the galaxy's best spaceship thieves. What's to stop him from just ditching his ship and grabbing a new one?

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* In the second book, Thrawn makes sure that Ferrier will do as he's told by rigging his spaceship with a time-delayed bomb. But Ferrier is one of the galaxy's best spaceship thieves. What's to stop him from just ditching his ship and grabbing a new one?one?
** The threat isn't just from the bomb. If Ferrier runs on Thrawn, Thrawn has the might of the entire Imperial remnant to send after him. Ferrier has to think about his future.
11th Jul '17 1:16:43 PM lorgskyegon
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** Not to mention proof that all the asteroids were gone would be provided.
29th Jun '17 5:34:14 PM Thanos6
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** To spackle the plot hole mentioned above, as revealed in backstory it may be [[GoodIsNotNice a stretch to call Thrawn outright evil]] so it might seem superficially petty, but he and the original C'baoth had a very nasty encounter which contributed directly to [[spoiler: the death of Thrawn's brother, the death of C'baoth's apprentice, the apparent deaths of everyone on Outbound Flight, and also involved Thrawn's first experience being Force-choked.]] With the clone programming he's developed and the ysalamiri, it's possible the notion of having a supply of clones he can use and dispose of made from someone he has personal reason to hate is him taking a moment to PayEvilUntoEvil. (And anyone who's read ''Literature/OutboundFlight'' probably doesn't have a problem with C'baoth as the target.)

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** To spackle the plot hole mentioned above, as revealed in backstory it may be [[GoodIsNotNice a stretch to call Thrawn outright evil]] so it might seem superficially petty, but he and the original C'baoth had a very nasty encounter which contributed directly to [[spoiler: the death of Thrawn's brother, the death of C'baoth's apprentice, the apparent deaths of everyone on Outbound Flight, and also involved Thrawn's first experience being Force-choked.]] With the clone programming he's developed and the ysalamiri, it's possible the notion of having a supply of clones he can use and dispose of made from someone he has personal reason to hate is him taking a moment to PayEvilUntoEvil. (And anyone who's read ''Literature/OutboundFlight'' probably doesn't have a problem with C'baoth as the target.))

[[WMG:Bounties on Luke, Leia, and Han]]
* In the first book, Luke says he doesn't think there's any bounties on him, his sister, or his brother-in-law at the moment. Why in the galaxy would the Empire ever ''not'' have bounties on them? Short of Mon Mothma or Admiral Ackbar, there's nobody the Imperials should want more!

[[WMG:Controlling Niles Ferrier]]
* In the second book, Thrawn makes sure that Ferrier will do as he's told by rigging his spaceship with a time-delayed bomb. But Ferrier is one of the galaxy's best spaceship thieves. What's to stop him from just ditching his ship and grabbing a new one?
12th Jan '17 11:45:40 AM julietvalcouer
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** In keeping with the above copout, the ORIGINAL C'baoth was unstable-to-insane. It's possible that using some sort of internal InsaneTrollLogic the clone has convinced himself that he's a clone and yet he is also the original.



** Above spoiler kind of opens up a plot hole as [[spoiler: Thrawn should KNOW that there's a very good chance C'baoth isn't just clone madness and not be thinking that maybe growing a replacement was a good idea. He met the original, he knows said original was crazy, and while he wasn't really infallible that seems like a bad enough idea he wouldn't even need anyone to explain why it's a bad idea.]]

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** Above spoiler kind of opens up a plot hole as [[spoiler: Thrawn should KNOW that there's a very good chance C'baoth isn't just clone madness and not be thinking that maybe growing a replacement was a good idea. He met the original, he knows said original was crazy, and while he wasn't really infallible that seems like a bad enough idea he wouldn't even need anyone to explain why it's a bad idea.]]]]
** To spackle the plot hole mentioned above, as revealed in backstory it may be [[GoodIsNotNice a stretch to call Thrawn outright evil]] so it might seem superficially petty, but he and the original C'baoth had a very nasty encounter which contributed directly to [[spoiler: the death of Thrawn's brother, the death of C'baoth's apprentice, the apparent deaths of everyone on Outbound Flight, and also involved Thrawn's first experience being Force-choked.]] With the clone programming he's developed and the ysalamiri, it's possible the notion of having a supply of clones he can use and dispose of made from someone he has personal reason to hate is him taking a moment to PayEvilUntoEvil. (And anyone who's read ''Literature/OutboundFlight'' probably doesn't have a problem with C'baoth as the target.)
30th Nov '16 10:29:16 AM julietvalcouer
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** The above seems off from what we see of Thrawn. Thrawn shows precisely zero indication he looks down on anything simply for not understanding it. And he shows anger a handful of times in this trilogy, predominantly while dealing with C'baoth and Mara (in the latter case only when she directly attacks him), and mild irritation with Ferrier. And saying Thrawn doesn't plan for the unexpected or deal with it well suggests not having actually read the books at all. If anything, Thrawn's biggest problem is over-thinking. He leaves people like C'baoth and Mara and Karrde and Ferrier alive (especially the last) LONG after any reasonable person would have decided to cut their losses and kill them because he has ''too many'' contingency plans and in some their being dead would be a problem. As for not stringing together the Noghri situation, of course he wouldn't assume the Noghri would defy him, he's got an (in-story) forty-year track record of thinking they wouldn't, and the rest of the assumption hinges on him considering how they'd respond to an heir of Vader. Thing is, ''absolutely no one in the galaxy not directly personally involved with Luke and Leia on extremely intimate terms has any reason at all to think such a person exists.'' Even Mara, who has literally spent time mentally linked to the Emperor himself, has no idea who Luke is until she asks the Noghri on Wayland who they mean with this "Son of Vader" stuff. His problem isn't that he doesn't think it could happen, it's that he's missing a critical piece of information. He is in fact the best contingency-planning antagonist in either EU timeline, but even he can't plan for a circumstance he has no idea is even possible.
4th Nov '16 11:48:05 AM ErikModi
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** Plus, as Thrawn himself notes when Pellaeon objects to C'baoth being confined in the Emperor's chambers and throne room of Mount Tantiss, C'baoth is really in the safest place they can put him right now, a mountain littered with ysalamiri who are blocking out the Force. Thrawn even anticipates that C'baoth may have had some sabotage attempted within the mountain (which had, using Covell's troops to plant explosives on all the ysalamiri), but apparently the current garrison was unable to find and undo it before Luke and Co, attacked and distracted them.
21st Sep '16 1:52:38 AM jakobitis
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** Possibly his name was actually pronounced 'Jaw-roose' (instead of Jaw-russ) in which case the extra 'u' wouldn't have altered the pronunciation much. Everytime he heard the name he heard it pronounced the same way it always had been.
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