History Headscratchers / TheSecretOfNIMH

20th Jun '17 3:03:24 PM ScroogeMacDuck
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** WordOfGod confirmed they made the two look alike to [[MindScrew further confuse us]]. Sauce: http://www.adammcdaniel.com/DonBluth/Don_Bluth_Interview3.htm

to:

** WordOfGod confirmed they made the two look alike to [[MindScrew further confuse us]]. Sauce: Source: http://www.adammcdaniel.com/DonBluth/Don_Bluth_Interview3.htm


Added DiffLines:

*** Indeed. Though while not a prophet in the "believes in Fate" sense, it is possible he used his {{Magitek}} scrying device to gaze into the future, foreseeing his own doom and thus deciding not to fight against it since he was so old anyway.


Added DiffLines:

** Both questions, once again, are answered in {{Fanon}}. Jonathan was not only a hero in the original escape, but he was Nicodemus's closest friend and a talented inventor and wizard. His frequent visits and general niceness made it so that ''all the rats'' (but Jenner) liked him. As for Mrs Brisby, there is a not-insignicant number of Rats who side with Jenner on the idea that the rodents who did not come from NIMH [[FantasticRacism aren't really sentient and don't deserve any rights]]. After their poster-child and leader Jenner's death, it was probably thought best to let Mrs Brisby's efforts go mostly unmentioned so as not to piss off the remaining Jenner supporters enough for them to [[VillainousLegacy start a civil war]], which is the last thing the rats need at this point. Any new society must make compromises.
20th Jun '17 2:54:35 PM ScroogeMacDuck
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** Complete {{Fanon}} here, but it is believed that Nicodemus and Jonathan were both particularly receptive to the setting's BackgroundMagicField (which was also involved in how the rats became sapient — [[ItMakesSenseInContext long story]]). Thanks to their newly-acquired scientific wits, the two set about studying said Magic and creating {{Magitek}}. While some of what we see in the Rosebush Colony is just borin ol' electricity, the more out-there devices like the moving branches Mrs Brisb encounters, the blasting spear wielded by Brutus, and Nicodemus's scrying-device-thingy, were all magic-based creations. Their masterpiece was to be a stone that allowed even {{Muggles}} to use Magic; Nicodemus, seeing [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsability the potential for misuse]] in such a device, insisted it be keyed to "courage of the heart". In particular, Jonathan felt bad that his wife, on top of a shorter lifespan, had no magical abilities; hence why he meant the stone to go to her. All this is the meaning of the sentence inscribed: the Stone is the "key" that Mrs Brisby could use to unlock "any door" (e.g., the obstacles that stand between her and living a dignified, happy, fully realised, human-like life like the Rats of NIMH).
20th Jun '17 2:46:40 PM ScroogeMacDuck
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** I'm invoking heavy fanon here, but… the fanonical expalanation is actually very clever. See, firstly, half of the rats are [[FantasticRacism Fantastic Racists]] of the SmugSuper kind, who think non-NIMH-improved rodents are nothing but animals. Jenner is, of course, the head of this particular movement. So killing her in plain sight wouldn't be ''that'' career-killing a move. Furthermore, he tries to kill Mrs Brisby to get his hands on the Stone. His whole life, Jenner had been trying to get his hands on some of Nicodemus and Jonathan's {{Magitek}} device, and while he can't use the Stone himself (it's restricted to people with "Courage of the Heart", remember?), he thinks himself clever enough to build a similar device he ''could'' use if he has the original Stone to work with. Ruling the Rats is nice, but unlocking the Stone's powers would make him quite literally ''[[AGodAmI a god]]''. Thus, he lunges out at what seems like his best chance at getting it — this scene being the closest he's ever been to the Stone.
4th Dec '16 2:44:00 AM Luppercus
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Currently and for a couple of decades already, ethical protocols for the usage of animals in scientific experiments in common practice in most countries, and practically in all the West. Conditions today are much better, though can be improve. The use of rodents for medical investigation has diminished considerably for several reasons, both practical (like the fact that they don't really are as similar to humans so using them as test subjects is not as effective as could be thought) and legal (again, the ethical protocols and most anti-animal cruelty laws are very harsh in many countries so using animals is sometimes very expensive and very legally complex), that's why experimentation with animals is not that common and currently many scientists go directly with human subjects, and of course there are many ethical consideration to apply also, but the fact that humans can consent to the experiments and many volunteer as is sometimes paid and/or a way to have a free treatment makes it easily in some cases, more than finding the permissions for a chimpanzee for example.

to:

** Currently and for a couple of decades already, ethical protocols for the usage of animals in scientific experiments in is common practice in most countries, and practically in all the West. Conditions today are much better, though can be improve. The use of rodents for medical investigation has diminished considerably for several reasons, both practical (like the fact that they don't really are as similar to humans so using them as test subjects is not as effective as could be once thought) and legal (again, the ethical protocols and most anti-animal cruelty laws are very harsh in many countries so using animals is sometimes very expensive and very legally complex), that's why experimentation with animals is not that common and currently many scientists go directly with human subjects, and of course there are many ethical consideration to apply also, but the fact that humans can consent to the experiments and many volunteer as is sometimes paid and/or a way to have a free treatment makes it easily in some cases, more than finding the permissions for a chimpanzee for example.
4th Dec '16 2:41:54 AM Luppercus
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** Currently and for a couple of decades already, ethical protocols for the usage of animals in scientific experiments in common practice in most countries, and practically in all the West. Conditions today are much better, though can be improve. The use of rodents for medical investigation has diminished considerably for several reasons, both practical (like the fact that they don't really are as similar to humans so using them as test subjects is not as effective as could be thought) and legal (again, the ethical protocols and most anti-animal cruelty laws are very harsh in many countries so using animals is sometimes very expensive and very legally complex), that's why experimentation with animals is not that common and currently many scientists go directly with human subjects, and of course there are many ethical consideration to apply also, but the fact that humans can consent to the experiments and many volunteer as is sometimes paid and/or a way to have a free treatment makes it easily in some cases, more than finding the permissions for a chimpanzee for example.
4th Dec '16 2:31:45 AM Luppercus
Is there an issue? Send a Message


*** They had a television set (use by the guards I think) in the lab IIRC, so maybe they watch Sesamo Street or something like that.

to:

*** They had a television set (use by the guards I think) in the lab IIRC, so maybe they watch watched Sesamo Street or something like that.
4th Dec '16 2:31:12 AM Luppercus
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

*** They had a television set (use by the guards I think) in the lab IIRC, so maybe they watch Sesamo Street or something like that.
20th Apr '16 12:34:02 AM erforce
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* I recall hearing during the making-of featurette for ''IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade'' that the animal wranglers couldn't simply capture rats off the streets or from out in the wild; the rats they worked with had been specially bred and tamed, because street or wild animals generally carry diseases, lice, etc. So my question is this: would a science lab really capture feral rats off the streets of a city? Wouldn't they obtain their rats (and their other animals) from a breeder, to make sure they were tame and disease-free?

to:

* I recall hearing during the making-of featurette for ''IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade'' ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade'' that the animal wranglers couldn't simply capture rats off the streets or from out in the wild; the rats they worked with had been specially bred and tamed, because street or wild animals generally carry diseases, lice, etc. So my question is this: would a science lab really capture feral rats off the streets of a city? Wouldn't they obtain their rats (and their other animals) from a breeder, to make sure they were tame and disease-free?
13th Feb '16 11:39:00 AM drunkrobot
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* What the hell was Jenner doing at the end? His plan to kill Nicodemus went off without a hitch, he basically had the Rats of NIMH wrapped around his fingers, and what does he do when Mrs. Brisby comes in to warn them of N.I.M.H coming in to exterminate them? He goes crazy and tries to kill her, ''right in front of the rest of the Rats of NIHM.'' While killing any innocent person for simply warning of potential danger would call his ability as a leader into serious question, this was Mrs. Brisby he just tried to kill, the wife of one of the Rats of NIHM's most beloved members, to whom they felt they owed enough to delay their plan to ensure the survival of their society just to save the house and family of said widowed wife. At no point did Jenner develop a personal reason to want Mrs. Brisby dead, and neither is he presented as a particularly stupid plotter, so why didn't he just try to keep his cool and use his silver tongue to dismiss her warnings to the group, instead of bluntly attacking her and completely discrediting himself in front of everyone?
3rd Jan '16 6:36:52 PM Homemaderat
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

*** The book's page also elaborates on this. As in this story it is clear everyday animals have certain concepts are able to rationalize some human parts. However without the drugs to uplift them, some things are probably forever beyond them. The movie blurs this line a bit more by anthropomorphize the characters more than the book ever did. It also has to be remembered our main source is Mrs. Frisby/Brisby who lived with one of the mice and their kids. She might have known a lot more just by this fact. Had the POV character been another random mouse, they might have not been as human-wise. As in it was Jonathon who understood the concepts and taught Mrs. to talk using them.
This list shows the last 10 events of 98. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Headscratchers.TheSecretOfNIMH