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** If we assume a less pleasant fate for the St. Cyr daughter, then remember that Armand is a member of the League and, while a republican, is a moderate opposed to the excesses of the Reign of Terror. One can assume that the brutal execution of a young woman he had feelings for and who was, apparently, guilty of little more than being in a privileged family might have something to do with this.
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Sinkholes.
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Chauvelin's appearance at the fortuneteller's in the beginning suggests that using Theresias as a HoneyTrap was originally his idea, but seriously thinking any woman could successfully seduce the Scarlet Pimpernel seems too GenreBlind even for Chauvelin! True, he implemented a different plan and used Theresias in a different way after she realized such a plan was impossible, but did he expect her to initially fail?
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Chauvelin's appearance at the fortuneteller's in the beginning suggests that using Theresias as a HoneyTrap was originally his idea, but seriously thinking any woman could successfully seduce the Scarlet Pimpernel seems too GenreBlind genre blind even for Chauvelin! True, he implemented a different plan and used Theresias in a different way after she realized such a plan was impossible, but did he expect her to initially fail?
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While reading ''Eldorado'' for the first time, when I reached Part II, I initially wondered why Chauvelin didn't pull an IHaveGotYourWife with Marguerite like in ''The Elusive Pimpernel'' and try to force Sir Percy to give up his information that way. I then actually considered, "Maybe he's actually learned his lesson that [[GenreSavvy that never works]]"... until Part III, where he goes and holds Marguerite hostage to force her husband's hand! If, in context, Chauvelin sees no problem with using this plan again, ''why didn't he just do that in the first place'' as soon as he located Marguerite in Paris instead of waiting another 10 days? Is there any way to explain this besides GenreBlindness?
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While reading ''Eldorado'' for the first time, when I reached Part II, I initially wondered why Chauvelin didn't pull an IHaveGotYourWife with Marguerite like in ''The Elusive Pimpernel'' and try to force Sir Percy to give up his information that way. I then actually considered, "Maybe he's actually learned his lesson that [[GenreSavvy that never works]]"... works"... until Part III, where he goes and holds Marguerite hostage to force her husband's hand! If, in context, Chauvelin sees no problem with using this plan again, ''why didn't he just do that in the first place'' as soon as he located Marguerite in Paris instead of waiting another 10 days? Is there any way to explain this besides GenreBlindness?
genre blindness?
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* Maybe therein lies the reason behind his pre-book HeelRealization.
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* Maybe therein lies the reason behind his pre-book HeelRealization.HeelRealization.
* Assuming that the text is correct in stating the daughter was not included in the executions it could be because she was married and out of the Revolution's reach. St. Cyr was conspiring with the Austrian court, possibly his daughter had married an Austrian nobleman.
[[WMG:How did Percy know that Marguerite had betrayed him and why?]]
As we see Percy Blakney is extremely intelligent. He is aware of Marguerite's former friendship with Chauvelin and already distrustful of his wife so it wouldn't be a big leap for him to suspect that Marguerite has something to do with Chauvelin's stake out of the dining room. Marguerite holds back several key points in her conversation with Percy after the ball but she tells him enough for him to deduce she has been blackmailed into doing whatever it was she'd done to set Chauvelin on Percy's track and that Armand is her hostage to Chauvelin. Thus he rides off fully clued in and busy reassessing his opinion of his wife.
* Assuming that the text is correct in stating the daughter was not included in the executions it could be because she was married and out of the Revolution's reach. St. Cyr was conspiring with the Austrian court, possibly his daughter had married an Austrian nobleman.
[[WMG:How did Percy know that Marguerite had betrayed him and why?]]
As we see Percy Blakney is extremely intelligent. He is aware of Marguerite's former friendship with Chauvelin and already distrustful of his wife so it wouldn't be a big leap for him to suspect that Marguerite has something to do with Chauvelin's stake out of the dining room. Marguerite holds back several key points in her conversation with Percy after the ball but she tells him enough for him to deduce she has been blackmailed into doing whatever it was she'd done to set Chauvelin on Percy's track and that Armand is her hostage to Chauvelin. Thus he rides off fully clued in and busy reassessing his opinion of his wife.
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** He could have been playing XanatosSpeedChess.
[[WMG:We could have all avoided this in ''Eldorado'']]
While reading ''Eldorado'' for the first time, when I reached Part II, I initially wondered why Chauvelin didn't pull an IHaveGotYourWife with Marguerite like in ''The Elusive Pimpernel'' and try to force Sir Percy to give up his information that way. I then actually considered, "Maybe he's actually learned his lesson that [[GenreSavvy that never works]]"... until Part III, where he goes and holds Marguerite hostage to foce her husband's hand! If, in context, Chauvelin sees no problem with using this plan again, ''why didn't he just do that in the first place'' as soon as he located Marguerite in Paris instead of waiting another 10 days? Is there any way to explain this besides GenreBlindness?
[[WMG:We could have all avoided this in ''Eldorado'']]
While reading ''Eldorado'' for the first time, when I reached Part II, I initially wondered why Chauvelin didn't pull an IHaveGotYourWife with Marguerite like in ''The Elusive Pimpernel'' and try to force Sir Percy to give up his information that way. I then actually considered, "Maybe he's actually learned his lesson that [[GenreSavvy that never works]]"... until Part III, where he goes and holds Marguerite hostage to foce her husband's hand! If, in context, Chauvelin sees no problem with using this plan again, ''why didn't he just do that in the first place'' as soon as he located Marguerite in Paris instead of waiting another 10 days? Is there any way to explain this besides GenreBlindness?
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While reading ''Eldorado'' for the first time, when I reached Part II, I initially wondered why Chauvelin didn't pull an IHaveGotYourWife with Marguerite like in ''The Elusive Pimpernel'' and try to force Sir Percy to give up his information that way. I then actually considered, "Maybe he's actually learned his lesson that [[GenreSavvy that never works]]"... until Part III, where he goes and holds Marguerite hostage to
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Um, what happened to the daughter, who was the start of all this? and if she was beheaded as well, Armand was okay with that?
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Um, what happened to the daughter, who was the start of all this? and And if she was beheaded as well, Armand was okay with that?that?
* Maybe therein lies the reason behind his pre-book HeelRealization.
* Maybe therein lies the reason behind his pre-book HeelRealization.
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While reading ''Eldorado'' for the first time, when I reached Part II, I initially wondered why Chauvelin didn't pull an IHaveGotYourWife with Marguerite like in ''The Elusive Pimpernel'' and try to force Sir Percy to give up his information that way. I then actually considered, "Maybe he's actually learned his lesson that [[GenreSavvy that never works]]"... until Part III, where he goes and holds Marguerite hostage to foce her husband's hand! If, in context, Chauvelin sees no problem with using this plan again, ''why didn't he just do that in the first place'' as soon as he located Marguerite in Paris instead of waiting another 10 days? Is there any way to explain this besides GenreBlindness?
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While reading ''Eldorado'' for the first time, when I reached Part II, I initially wondered why Chauvelin didn't pull an IHaveGotYourWife with Marguerite like in ''The Elusive Pimpernel'' and try to force Sir Percy to give up his information that way. I then actually considered, "Maybe he's actually learned his lesson that [[GenreSavvy that never works]]"... until Part III, where he goes and holds Marguerite hostage to foce her husband's hand! If, in context, Chauvelin sees no problem with using this plan again, ''why didn't he just do that in the first place'' as soon as he located Marguerite in Paris instead of waiting another 10 days? Is there any way to explain this besides GenreBlindness?GenreBlindness?
[[WMG:Fate of St. Cyr's daughter?]]
In chapter 8 of the original story, we are told that Marguerite gives the Revolution information on the Marquis de St. Cyr because Armand had once sent St. Cyr's daughter a love poem, and St. Cyr had Armand severely beaten in retaliation. This information resulted in St. Cyr being "sent to the guillotine, whilst his family, his wife and his sons, shared in this awful fate."
Um, what happened to the daughter, who was the start of all this? and if she was beheaded as well, Armand was okay with that?
[[WMG:Fate of St. Cyr's daughter?]]
In chapter 8 of the original story, we are told that Marguerite gives the Revolution information on the Marquis de St. Cyr because Armand had once sent St. Cyr's daughter a love poem, and St. Cyr had Armand severely beaten in retaliation. This information resulted in St. Cyr being "sent to the guillotine, whilst his family, his wife and his sons, shared in this awful fate."
Um, what happened to the daughter, who was the start of all this? and if she was beheaded as well, Armand was okay with that?
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[[WMG:Did I miss some XanatosGambit in ''The Triumph of the Scarlet Pimpernel''?]]
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[[WMG:Did I miss some XanatosGambit {{plan}} in ''The Triumph of the Scarlet Pimpernel''?]]
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**He could have been playing XanatosSpeedChess.
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While reading ''Eldorado'' for the first time, when I reached Part II, I initially wondered why Chauvelin didn't pull an IHaveGotYourWife with Marguerite like in ''The Elusive Pimpernel'' and try to force Sir Percy to give up his information that way. I then actually considered, "Maybe he's actually learned his lesson that [[GenreSavvy that never works]]"... until Part III, where he goes and holds Marguerite hostage to foce her husband's hand! If, in context, Chauvelin sees no problem with using this plan again, ''why didn't he just do that in the first place'' as soon as he located Marguerite in Paris instead of waiting another 10 days? Is there any way to explain this besides GenreBlindness and WhyDontYaJustShootHim?GenreBlindness?
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While reading ''Eldorado'' for the first time, when I reached Part II, I initially wondered why Chauvelin didn't pull an IHaveGotYourWife with Marguerite like in ''The Elusive Pimpernel'' and try to force Sir Percy to give up the information that way. I then actually considered, "Maybe he's actually learned his lesson that [[GenreSavvy that never works]]"... until Part III, where he goes and holds Marguerite histage to foce her husband's hand! If, in context, Cahuvelin sees no problem with using this plan again, ''why didn't he just do that in the first place'' as soon as he located Marguerite in Paris instead of waiting another 10 days? Is there any way to explain this besides GenreBlindness and WhyDontYaJustShootHim?
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While reading ''Eldorado'' for the first time, when I reached Part II, I initially wondered why Chauvelin didn't pull an IHaveGotYourWife with Marguerite like in ''The Elusive Pimpernel'' and try to force Sir Percy to give up the his information that way. I then actually considered, "Maybe he's actually learned his lesson that [[GenreSavvy that never works]]"... until Part III, where he goes and holds Marguerite histage hostage to foce her husband's hand! If, in context, Cahuvelin Chauvelin sees no problem with using this plan again, ''why didn't he just do that in the first place'' as soon as he located Marguerite in Paris instead of waiting another 10 days? Is there any way to explain this besides GenreBlindness and WhyDontYaJustShootHim?
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Chauvelin's appearance at the fortuneteller's in the beginning suggests that using Theresias as a HoneyTrap was originally his idea, but seriously thinking any woman could successfully seduce the Scarlet Pimpernel seems too GenreBlind even for Chauvelin! True, he implemented a different plan and used Theresias in a different way after she realized such a plan was impossible, but did he expect her to initially fail?
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Chauvelin's appearance at the fortuneteller's in the beginning suggests that using Theresias as a HoneyTrap was originally his idea, but seriously thinking any woman could successfully seduce the Scarlet Pimpernel seems too GenreBlind even for Chauvelin! True, he implemented a different plan and used Theresias in a different way after she realized such a plan was impossible, but did he expect her to initially fail?fail?
[[WMG:WeCouldHaveAvoidedAllThis in ''Eldorado'']]
While reading ''Eldorado'' for the first time, when I reached Part II, I initially wondered why Chauvelin didn't pull an IHaveGotYourWife with Marguerite like in ''The Elusive Pimpernel'' and try to force Sir Percy to give up the information that way. I then actually considered, "Maybe he's actually learned his lesson that [[GenreSavvy that never works]]"... until Part III, where he goes and holds Marguerite histage to foce her husband's hand! If, in context, Cahuvelin sees no problem with using this plan again, ''why didn't he just do that in the first place'' as soon as he located Marguerite in Paris instead of waiting another 10 days? Is there any way to explain this besides GenreBlindness and WhyDontYaJustShootHim?
[[WMG:WeCouldHaveAvoidedAllThis in ''Eldorado'']]
While reading ''Eldorado'' for the first time, when I reached Part II, I initially wondered why Chauvelin didn't pull an IHaveGotYourWife with Marguerite like in ''The Elusive Pimpernel'' and try to force Sir Percy to give up the information that way. I then actually considered, "Maybe he's actually learned his lesson that [[GenreSavvy that never works]]"... until Part III, where he goes and holds Marguerite histage to foce her husband's hand! If, in context, Cahuvelin sees no problem with using this plan again, ''why didn't he just do that in the first place'' as soon as he located Marguerite in Paris instead of waiting another 10 days? Is there any way to explain this besides GenreBlindness and WhyDontYaJustShootHim?
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Chauvelin's appearance at the fortuneteller's in the beginning suggests that using Theresias as a HoneyTrap was originally his idea, but seriously thinking any woman could successfully seduce the Scarlet Pimpernel seems too GenreBlind even for Chauvelin! True, he implemented a different plan and used Theresias in a different way after she realized such a plan was impossible, but did he expect her to
