History Headscratchers / ThePrincessAndTheFrog

25th Nov '16 11:00:26 AM nombretomado
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* Don't you think the loa could have made things much easier for themselves by allowing Facilier to cast magic for himself. Are they just romantics, hatching such a convoluted plot? [[AustinPowers Dr.Evil]] would approve.

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* Don't you think the loa could have made things much easier for themselves by allowing Facilier to cast magic for himself. Are they just romantics, hatching such a convoluted plot? [[AustinPowers [[Film/AustinPowers Dr.Evil]] would approve.
13th Nov '16 9:57:34 AM nombretomado
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** ''Isn't that a bit quick, even by Disney standards?'' [[{{Enchanted}} "And you are..." "Giselle." "We shall be married in the morning!"]] Nope.

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** ''Isn't that a bit quick, even by Disney standards?'' [[{{Enchanted}} [[Film/{{Enchanted}} "And you are..." "Giselle." "We shall be married in the morning!"]] Nope.
5th Oct '16 8:35:45 AM erforce
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** Mama Odie is at fault? [[FlatWhat Really?]] Are you actually being serious?! The little old lady, who's seems to choose to help people more on figuring out the right things to do with their life-than just magically make them better (and probably doesn't have it in her power to do freakish amazing feats-she's not Calypso in disguise from the [[PiratesOfTheCaribbean Pirates movies]])-I mean where in PATF does it hint that Mama Odie has a god-like power to turn Stars into insects!?!?!?! She's a human who has limitations...So instead of giving the two youngin's-who are confused in life about their wants and needs and even their own feelings towards each other-some advice, gently trying to point them in the right direction (it's not ''her fault'' Tiana was missing the point) she should instead force these two people to marry (when at that point Tiana wasn't aware of her feelings-so why would she WANT TO ANYWAY?!)-because of the tragic death of our loveable resident firefly-who was stepped on by the villain? [[SarcasmMode WELL BLOW ME DOWN! And all this time I thought it was usually those guilty of taking the life of another-is the one who ''actually'' '''killed''' that person]] [[SarcasmMode But nope]], [[SarcasmMode clearly the one to blame]] [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation is the all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful lady]]-that can do feats of amazing magic-that had been never even seen in the canon material, [[AndThatsTerrible who lets a young boy and girl learn on their own about themselves, each other,]] [[CharacterDevelopment and how to better themselves]]-[[SarcasmMode and what's important in life]], ''instead of having someone tell them what they should do-and do it for them????''[[strike:Hey [[DealWithTheDevil wasn't that the schtick]] of the villain in this movie???]]....'''clearly''' [[SarcasmMode the correct thing to do]] [[ShotgunWedding force them to wed]] [[UnfortunateImplications even if the girl at the time wasn't into pursuing that]]....after all, it's for a good cause anyway because they'll eventually realize their feelings, the bug would still get to live for his short insect life-pining after the woman he loves-in the skies far above his reach, (HeroicSacrifices and [[EarnYourHappyEnding becomes literal star in the sky to live on forever with your love]] is over-rated anyway!) Louis will get to forever play happily on his trumpet in the swap-never to those adoring crowds like he dreamed-eh, he'll get over it....and the kids will walk away from the movie learning that not getting married on the spot-regardless if one party wasn't wanting it at that time-[[SpaceWhaleAesop is wrong, and will end up killing your best friend]], [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop and that forcing love and marriage is ok and less pesky than just learning and accepting to fall in love all on their own.]] Again....[[FlatWhat SERIOUSLY?!]] Never mind the cheapening of Ray's [[HeroicSacrifice heroic, brave and selfless sacrifice]]-or his beautiful eternity being with the love of his life...or the headache inducing blame on Mama Odie of all people, for something she clearly can't foresee. Or the other important things that came from them all going back to New Orleans (like Lewis finally achieving his dream, Tiana's character development, the defeating of the villain, the heartwarming sacrifice of her own happiness Lottie makes for her friend). Or that rather important message of ''working'' to your ''dreams'', and '''not''' taking the ''easy way out''-'''no''' '''matter'''' how ''hard'' life can get?

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** Mama Odie is at fault? [[FlatWhat Really?]] Are you actually being serious?! The little old lady, who's seems to choose to help people more on figuring out the right things to do with their life-than just magically make them better (and probably doesn't have it in her power to do freakish amazing feats-she's not Calypso in disguise from the [[PiratesOfTheCaribbean [[Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean Pirates movies]])-I mean where in PATF does it hint that Mama Odie has a god-like power to turn Stars into insects!?!?!?! She's a human who has limitations...So instead of giving the two youngin's-who are confused in life about their wants and needs and even their own feelings towards each other-some advice, gently trying to point them in the right direction (it's not ''her fault'' Tiana was missing the point) she should instead force these two people to marry (when at that point Tiana wasn't aware of her feelings-so why would she WANT TO ANYWAY?!)-because of the tragic death of our loveable resident firefly-who was stepped on by the villain? [[SarcasmMode WELL BLOW ME DOWN! And all this time I thought it was usually those guilty of taking the life of another-is the one who ''actually'' '''killed''' that person]] [[SarcasmMode But nope]], [[SarcasmMode clearly the one to blame]] [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation is the all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful lady]]-that can do feats of amazing magic-that had been never even seen in the canon material, [[AndThatsTerrible who lets a young boy and girl learn on their own about themselves, each other,]] [[CharacterDevelopment and how to better themselves]]-[[SarcasmMode and what's important in life]], ''instead of having someone tell them what they should do-and do it for them????''[[strike:Hey [[DealWithTheDevil wasn't that the schtick]] of the villain in this movie???]]....'''clearly''' [[SarcasmMode the correct thing to do]] [[ShotgunWedding force them to wed]] [[UnfortunateImplications even if the girl at the time wasn't into pursuing that]]....after all, it's for a good cause anyway because they'll eventually realize their feelings, the bug would still get to live for his short insect life-pining after the woman he loves-in the skies far above his reach, (HeroicSacrifices and [[EarnYourHappyEnding becomes literal star in the sky to live on forever with your love]] is over-rated anyway!) Louis will get to forever play happily on his trumpet in the swap-never to those adoring crowds like he dreamed-eh, he'll get over it....and the kids will walk away from the movie learning that not getting married on the spot-regardless if one party wasn't wanting it at that time-[[SpaceWhaleAesop is wrong, and will end up killing your best friend]], [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop and that forcing love and marriage is ok and less pesky than just learning and accepting to fall in love all on their own.]] Again....[[FlatWhat SERIOUSLY?!]] Never mind the cheapening of Ray's [[HeroicSacrifice heroic, brave and selfless sacrifice]]-or his beautiful eternity being with the love of his life...or the headache inducing blame on Mama Odie of all people, for something she clearly can't foresee. Or the other important things that came from them all going back to New Orleans (like Lewis finally achieving his dream, Tiana's character development, the defeating of the villain, the heartwarming sacrifice of her own happiness Lottie makes for her friend). Or that rather important message of ''working'' to your ''dreams'', and '''not''' taking the ''easy way out''-'''no''' '''matter'''' how ''hard'' life can get?
2nd Sep '16 10:38:14 PM sabrina_diamond
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** The simplest facts of the matter are as follows - we know that Facilier has used the service of the shadow demons (whatever you call them) at least three times: once to get his powers, again to create the talisman and turn Naveen into a frog, and a final time to help him find Naveen. In the intervening time between these events, Facilier either directly or indirectly allowed for Naveen to escape his confinement ''twice'', spread the curse to ''someone else'', bringing them into the mess as well, when he kissed Tiana, and finally got his main man for the job caught and arrested. By the time the talisman is broken, the shadow demons have no reason to show any mercy for Facilier - they were in this to make a profit, and they can only ''wait for so long'' to get their fair share before their patience wears out and they choose to take [[YourSoulIsMind the second-best thing...]]

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** The simplest facts of the matter are as follows - we know that Facilier has used the service of the shadow demons (whatever you call them) at least three times: once to get his powers, again to create the talisman and turn Naveen into a frog, and a final time to help him find Naveen. In the intervening time between these events, Facilier either directly or indirectly allowed for Naveen to escape his confinement ''twice'', spread the curse to ''someone else'', bringing them into the mess as well, when he kissed Tiana, and finally got his main man for the job caught and arrested. By the time the talisman is broken, the shadow demons have no reason to show any mercy for Facilier - they were in this to make a profit, and they can only ''wait for so long'' to get their fair share before their patience wears out and they choose to take [[YourSoulIsMind [[YourSoulIsMine the second-best thing...]]
2nd Sep '16 10:37:44 PM sabrina_diamond
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** The simplest facts of the matter are as follows - we know that Facilier has used the service of the shadow demons (whatever you call them) at least three times: once to get his powers, again to create the talisman and turn Naveen into a frog, and a final time to help him find Naveen. In the intervening time between these events, Facilier either directly or indirectly allowed for Naveen to escape his confinement ''twice'', spread the curse to ''someone else'', bringing them into the mess as well, when he kissed Tiana, and finally got his main man for the job caught and arrested. By the time the talisman is broken, the shadow demons have no reason to show any mercy for Facilier - they were in this to make a profit, and they can only wait so long to get their fair share before their patience wears out and they choose to take the second-best thing.

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** The simplest facts of the matter are as follows - we know that Facilier has used the service of the shadow demons (whatever you call them) at least three times: once to get his powers, again to create the talisman and turn Naveen into a frog, and a final time to help him find Naveen. In the intervening time between these events, Facilier either directly or indirectly allowed for Naveen to escape his confinement ''twice'', spread the curse to ''someone else'', bringing them into the mess as well, when he kissed Tiana, and finally got his main man for the job caught and arrested. By the time the talisman is broken, the shadow demons have no reason to show any mercy for Facilier - they were in this to make a profit, and they can only wait ''wait for so long long'' to get their fair share before their patience wears out and they choose to take [[YourSoulIsMind the second-best thing.thing...]]
28th Jul '16 9:10:33 PM Selina57
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** What's more, his mother could have been a voodoo princess or descended from voodoo princesses.


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** This might explain why they went through with a second wedding ceremony. Since New Orleans has a strong Catholic tradition thanks to being settled by French and Spanish people, Tiana might be Catholic. Or Naveen might be Catholic, or both. There are certain conditions that are necessary for a marriage to be viewed as valid in canonical law. One of them is form-related -- i.e., a Catholic has to be married inside of the Catholic Church for the marriage to be considered valid (if other conditions are met). Naveed and Tiana were married in a swamp, not in a Catholic church. I suspect the second wedding ceremony was merely meant to have their marriage be valid in the eyes of the Catholic Church. In fact, if two people go through two wedding ceremonies because one was defective in form but one person didn't truly consent to going through with a second wedding ceremony (actions speak louder than words), that is grounds for annulment.
16th May '16 2:17:06 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* And is it just me, or have some of the animators from TheProudFamily been recruited to work on the movie? Dr. Facilier looks like Oscar Proud if he went evil, and Mama Odie looks like Suga Momma.

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* And is it just me, or have some of the animators from TheProudFamily ''WesternAnimation/TheProudFamily'' been recruited to work on the movie? Dr. Facilier looks like Oscar Proud if he went evil, and Mama Odie looks like Suga Momma.



** Bruce Smith, the creator of TheProudFamily, was Dr. Facilier's chief animator.

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** Bruce Smith, the creator of TheProudFamily, ''WesternAnimation/TheProudFamily'', was Dr. Facilier's chief animator.
10th May '16 10:11:00 AM Psyga315
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7th May '16 8:21:19 AM uzuki54
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** This troper assumes it was a combination of Lawrence being the only human in the church that "Prince Naveen" ran into, knowledge of Facilier, and when we see them arresting Lawrence, Naveen has had a chance to explain the situation and is at the part where he needs Lottie to kiss him to reverse the spell. They probably aren't worried about incurring Facilier's wrath because they probably figured that if he hasn't intervened yet, he's not going to and possibly because Facilier can't seem to do a whole lot (voodoo wise) to just anyone. The worst he does is send the shadows to capture Naveen, who he has already put under his influence when Naveen accepted the deal back in his shop. When he's dealing with Tiana, he resorts to illusions and words to try and convince her to hand over the talisman.
11th Apr '16 11:01:02 AM QuarrelsomeChevon
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* Something that's never brought up in the movie...Since Tiana and Naveen could and did talk to many different animals when they were frogs, and might even still be able to do so as humans, what does this say about either one of them's consumption of meat in the future? In the book ''The Frog Princess'', Emma and Eadric swore themselves off of eating meat due to these implications, which is sort of what brought this to mind.

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* Something that's never brought up in the movie...Since Tiana and Naveen could and did talk to many different animals when they were frogs, and might even still be able to do so as humans, what does this say about either one of them's consumption of meat in the future? In the book ''The Frog Princess'', Emma and Eadric swore themselves off of eating meat after their transformation due to these implications, which is sort of what brought this to mind.
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