History Headscratchers / TheNanny

6th Feb '16 2:55:24 PM jormis29
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** It's the same problem that happens on ''{{Frasier}}'' a lot. Fran's a ButtMonkey so to some extent we're supposed to find her suffering funny. (And, admit it, sometimes we do.) It's just that in some cases, you wind up empathizing more than laughing, so it winds up as DudeNotFunny. It's basically a subjective reaction to the humor of the show.

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** It's the same problem that happens on ''{{Frasier}}'' ''Series/{{Frasier}}'' a lot. Fran's a ButtMonkey so to some extent we're supposed to find her suffering funny. (And, admit it, sometimes we do.) It's just that in some cases, you wind up empathizing more than laughing, so it winds up as DudeNotFunny. It's basically a subjective reaction to the humor of the show.
4th Sep '15 5:51:02 PM nombretomado
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* First off, they go to an American school, meaning they already spend most of their time surrounded by American accents. Second, the whole reason the show began was that neither the father nor the butler could really handle raising the children, and needed someone to bring in someone who could do the whole messy "raising kids" business for them, thus they hired TheNanny (plus, she had style, she had flair!). Presumably, the kids have gone through a series of American nannies, and that's where they learned their American accents. Heck, by the later parts of the series, the kids have even started learning to speak YiddishAsASecondLanguage and have adopted some of Fran's other speech patterns.

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* First off, they go to an American school, meaning they already spend most of their time surrounded by American accents. Second, the whole reason the show began was that neither the father nor the butler could really handle raising the children, and needed someone to bring in someone who could do the whole messy "raising kids" business for them, thus they hired TheNanny Series/TheNanny (plus, she had style, she had flair!). Presumably, the kids have gone through a series of American nannies, and that's where they learned their American accents. Heck, by the later parts of the series, the kids have even started learning to speak YiddishAsASecondLanguage and have adopted some of Fran's other speech patterns.
9th Aug '13 12:34:46 PM 84788484
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Are we supposed to think he's an idiot for turning down Hair, Tommy, and Cats. First off, if you'd never heard of it and didn't know what a big deal it would be would you produce Cats? No, no you wouldn't. Also, Hair has a song titled Sodomy. Yeah I think Maxwell's first glance reaction of it being a dog was accurate. And as for Tommy... it involves a religion that uses pinball for worship. At first glances all three sound stupid but they were big hits... and how would Maxwell know that? Also, timeline issues. Hair was put on in the late sixties, Tommy in the seventies, and Cats in the eighties. So how old is Maxwell and how long has he been doing this?

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* Are we supposed to think he's an idiot for turning down Hair, Tommy, and Cats. First off, if you'd never heard of it and didn't know what a big deal it would be would you produce Cats? No, no you wouldn't. Also, Hair has a song titled Sodomy. Yeah I think Maxwell's first glance reaction of it being a dog was accurate. And as for Tommy... it involves a religion that uses pinball for worship. At first glances all three sound stupid but they were big hits... and how would Maxwell know that? Also, timeline issues. Hair was put on in the late sixties, Tommy in the seventies, and Cats in the eighties. So how old is Maxwell and how long has he been doing this?



*** What's really puzzling is his constant rivalry with Andrew Lloyd Webber, who at the time was mainly a ''composer'' who needed producers himself to get his musicals put on (though he was so successful that there wasn't too much of a gambit going on). To the best of my knowledge, Lloyd Webber wasn't in the producing game (except for concept albums of his own shows) until he funded the A.R. Rahman musical ''BombayDreams'' in the 2000s.

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*** What's really puzzling is his constant rivalry with Andrew Lloyd Webber, who at the time was mainly a ''composer'' who needed producers himself to get his musicals put on (though he was so successful that there wasn't too much of a gambit going on). To the best of my knowledge, Lloyd Webber wasn't in the producing game (except for concept albums of his own shows) until he funded the A.R. Rahman musical ''BombayDreams'' in the 2000s.2000s.
** Hindsight is 20/20. This applies not only to people claiming that they would have known what to do in just such a situation, but to thinking other people are idiots for not doing exactly that. (See: ''every single other Headscratchers page on the'' '''''entire flipping wiki'''''.) Max's justifications for not taking it are exactly the same as yours: he thought they sounded stupid at the time and who could have known they'd be huge hits. The reason we're supposed to laugh at this is the same reason he's been around long enough to pass on all those shows and why he has a rivalry with an extremely well-known Broadway creator and not some producer that 99.9% of the world has never heard of: [[RuleOfFunny it's a comedy show]], not a documentary about Broadway.
9th Aug '13 12:29:15 PM 84788484
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How Maxwell treats Fran in this episode JustBugsMe. A brief summary of the episode: Max wants to get a playwright under contract before AndrewLloydWebber gets him. To do that Fran, at Max's request, gets Yetta to wine and dine him. The plan works but it turns out that he's had writer's block for years and only Act 1 is done. So Fran, again at Max's request, gets Yetta to dump him, causing him to lose the contract to Weber. Problem is, that his relationship (specifically the dumping) enables the playwright to get over his block and finish the play - making Weber a lot of money. Despite the fact that everything Fran does is with Max's approval and in order to help him, he blames Fran for everything going wrong and the audience is supposed to agree with him. I realize the show runs on RuleOfFunny, but it just wasn't [[DudeNotFunny funny]]. All it did was make Max look like an [[{{Jerkass}} asshole]].

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* How Maxwell treats Fran in this episode JustBugsMe. A brief summary of the episode: Max wants to get a playwright under contract before AndrewLloydWebber gets him. To do that Fran, at Max's request, gets Yetta to wine and dine him. The plan works but it turns out that he's had writer's block for years and only Act 1 is done. So Fran, again at Max's request, gets Yetta to dump him, causing him to lose the contract to Weber. Problem is, that his relationship (specifically the dumping) enables the playwright to get over his block and finish the play - making Weber a lot of money. Despite the fact that everything Fran does is with Max's approval and in order to help him, he blames Fran for everything going wrong and the audience is supposed to agree with him. I realize the show runs on RuleOfFunny, but it just wasn't [[DudeNotFunny funny]]. All it did was make Max look like an [[{{Jerkass}} asshole]].
** It's the same problem that happens on ''{{Frasier}}'' a lot. Fran's a ButtMonkey so to some extent we're supposed to find her suffering funny. (And, admit it, sometimes we do.) It's just that in some cases, you wind up empathizing more than laughing, so it winds up as DudeNotFunny. It's basically a subjective reaction to the humor of the show.
10th Nov '12 12:47:10 AM MeganPhntmGrl
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** ''Tommy'' didn't actually make it as a Broadway musical until 1994; it's conceivable that he passed on it because the movie version is notoriously awkwardly regarded even by people who enjoy the original album and its concert stagings. ''Cats'' was first produced in 1981; if he's in his 40s or so (his hair's starting to gray, it's plausible), he could have been in the business ten to fifteen years before the show's timeline with no trouble at all. As for ''Hair'', I can only assume it was referring to a revival- and there was, in fact, a nationally touring revival in the US in 1994. Considering ''Hair'' is such a product of the 60s, and the 90s were more nostalgic for the 70s, it's possible that he didn't want to get attached to what he saw as a dated, sure-fail rehash- and then instead the tour sparked new interest in the musical.

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** ''Tommy'' didn't actually make it as a Broadway musical until 1994; it's conceivable that he passed on it because the movie version is notoriously awkwardly regarded even by people who enjoy the original album and its concert stagings. ''Cats'' was first produced in 1981; if he's in his 40s or so (his hair's starting to gray, it's plausible), he could have been in the business ten to fifteen years before the show's timeline with no trouble at all. As for ''Hair'', I can only assume it was referring to a revival- and there was, in fact, a nationally touring revival in the US in 1994. Considering ''Hair'' is such a product of the 60s, and the 90s were more nostalgic for the 70s, it's possible that he didn't want to get attached to what he saw as a dated, sure-fail rehash- and then instead the tour sparked new interest in the musical.
***What's really puzzling is his constant rivalry with Andrew Lloyd Webber, who at the time was mainly a ''composer'' who needed producers himself to get his musicals put on (though he was so successful that there wasn't too much of a gambit going on). To the best of my knowledge, Lloyd Webber wasn't in the producing game (except for concept albums of his own shows) until he funded the A.R. Rahman musical ''BombayDreams'' in the 2000s.
10th Nov '12 12:43:53 AM MeganPhntmGrl
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Are we supposed to think he's an idiot for turning down Hair, Tommy, and Cats. First off, if you'd never heard of it and didn't know what a big deal it would be would you produce Cats? No, no you wouldn't. Also, Hair has a song titled Sodomy. Yeah I think Maxwell's first glance reaction of it being a dog was accurate. And as for Tommy... it involves a religion that uses pinball for worship. At first glances all three sound stupid but they were big hits... and how would Maxwell know that? Also, timeline issues. Hair was put on in the late sixties, Tommy in the seventies, and Cats in the eighties. So how old is Maxwell and how long has he been doing this?

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Are we supposed to think he's an idiot for turning down Hair, Tommy, and Cats. First off, if you'd never heard of it and didn't know what a big deal it would be would you produce Cats? No, no you wouldn't. Also, Hair has a song titled Sodomy. Yeah I think Maxwell's first glance reaction of it being a dog was accurate. And as for Tommy... it involves a religion that uses pinball for worship. At first glances all three sound stupid but they were big hits... and how would Maxwell know that? Also, timeline issues. Hair was put on in the late sixties, Tommy in the seventies, and Cats in the eighties. So how old is Maxwell and how long has he been doing this?this?
**''Tommy'' didn't actually make it as a Broadway musical until 1994; it's conceivable that he passed on it because the movie version is notoriously awkwardly regarded even by people who enjoy the original album and its concert stagings. ''Cats'' was first produced in 1981; if he's in his 40s or so (his hair's starting to gray, it's plausible), he could have been in the business ten to fifteen years before the show's timeline with no trouble at all. As for ''Hair'', I can only assume it was referring to a revival- and there was, in fact, a nationally touring revival in the US in 1994. Considering ''Hair'' is such a product of the 60s, and the 90s were more nostalgic for the 70s, it's possible that he didn't want to get attached to what he saw as a dated, sure-fail rehash- and then instead the tour sparked new interest in the musical.
10th Aug '12 8:37:55 PM Fury1031
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* It also fits into her personality. Maggie is incredibly bland and her characterization consists of just getting involved with some random thing to cause conflict for the episode.
31st May '12 3:25:10 PM SilverAgito
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Are we supposed to think he's an idiot for turning down Hair, Tommy, and Cats. First off, if you'd never heard of it and didn't know what a big deal it would be would you produce Cats? No, no you wouldn't. Also, Hair has a song titled Sodomy. Yeah I think Maxwell's first glance reaction of it being a dog was accurate. And as for Tommy... it involves a religion that uses pinball for worship. At first glances all three sound stupid but they were big hits... and how would Maxwell know that? Also, timeline issues. Hair was put on in the late sixties, Tommy in the seventies, and Hair in the eighties. So how old is Maxwell and how long has he been doing this?

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Are we supposed to think he's an idiot for turning down Hair, Tommy, and Cats. First off, if you'd never heard of it and didn't know what a big deal it would be would you produce Cats? No, no you wouldn't. Also, Hair has a song titled Sodomy. Yeah I think Maxwell's first glance reaction of it being a dog was accurate. And as for Tommy... it involves a religion that uses pinball for worship. At first glances all three sound stupid but they were big hits... and how would Maxwell know that? Also, timeline issues. Hair was put on in the late sixties, Tommy in the seventies, and Hair Cats in the eighties. So how old is Maxwell and how long has he been doing this?
30th May '12 10:57:20 AM SilverAgito
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* It's was (rather pathetically) explained in the episode by Maggie to Fran. She said it was because the UST between Fran and Max was so strong and so obvious, what else was she supposed to believe. She also mentions that this helps her understand why A) her father hired a door-to-door cosmetics saleswoman to raise his children and B) she was still their Nanny despite the fact that Maggie was in college, Brighton was old enough to drive, and Gracie was somewhere around Age 12-14 and, possibly being the smartest person in the family, more than capable of taking care of herself. Not the most solid explanation in the world, but at least they did try.

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* It's was (rather pathetically) explained in the episode by Maggie to Fran. She said it was because the UST between Fran and Max was so strong and so obvious, what else was she supposed to believe. She also mentions that this helps her understand why A) her father hired a door-to-door cosmetics saleswoman to raise his children and B) she was still their Nanny despite the fact that Maggie was in college, Brighton was old enough to drive, and Gracie was somewhere around Age 12-14 and, possibly being the smartest person in the family, more than capable of taking care of herself. Not the most solid explanation in the world, but at least they did try.try.

[[WMG: Maxwell turning down Cats, Hair, and Tommy]]
Are we supposed to think he's an idiot for turning down Hair, Tommy, and Cats. First off, if you'd never heard of it and didn't know what a big deal it would be would you produce Cats? No, no you wouldn't. Also, Hair has a song titled Sodomy. Yeah I think Maxwell's first glance reaction of it being a dog was accurate. And as for Tommy... it involves a religion that uses pinball for worship. At first glances all three sound stupid but they were big hits... and how would Maxwell know that? Also, timeline issues. Hair was put on in the late sixties, Tommy in the seventies, and Hair in the eighties. So how old is Maxwell and how long has he been doing this?
26th Jan '12 8:15:58 AM eviltwin531
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* Personal guilt over being so happy at getting a new mom. She was the only one that really remembered her mom and it was bothering her deep down.

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* Personal guilt over being so happy at getting a new mom. She was the only one that really remembered her mom and it was bothering her deep down.down.
* It's was (rather pathetically) explained in the episode by Maggie to Fran. She said it was because the UST between Fran and Max was so strong and so obvious, what else was she supposed to believe. She also mentions that this helps her understand why A) her father hired a door-to-door cosmetics saleswoman to raise his children and B) she was still their Nanny despite the fact that Maggie was in college, Brighton was old enough to drive, and Gracie was somewhere around Age 12-14 and, possibly being the smartest person in the family, more than capable of taking care of herself. Not the most solid explanation in the world, but at least they did try.
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