History Headscratchers / TheManFromEarth

23rd Jul '15 6:00:21 AM Nokkosjumala
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** From the movie:
--> '''John:''' I called myself "John". I almost always do. As tales of resurrection spread, the name was confused with the Hebrew "Yochanan", meaning "God is gracious." My stay on Earth was seen as divine proof of immortality. That led to "God is salvation", or Hebrew "Yahshua", which in translation became my proper name, changing to late Greek "Ieosus", then to late Latin "Iesus", and finally medieval Latin, "Jesus", and it was a wonder to watch it all happen.



*** He explicitly says that he went by John not only at the time, but since the beginning of his life, and that the whole Jesus thing was a completely external corruption that happened years after his "death"/"resurrection".

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---> '''John:''' I called myself "John". I almost always do. As tales of resurrection spread, the name was confused with the Hebrew "Yochanan", meaning "God is gracious." My stay on Earth was seen as divine proof of immortality. That led to "God is salvation", or Hebrew "Yahshua", which in translation became my proper name, changing to late Greek "Ieosus", then to late Latin "Iesus", and finally medieval Latin, "Jesus", and it was a wonder to watch it all happen.
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He explicitly says that he went by John not only at the time, but since the beginning of his life, and that the whole Jesus thing was a completely external corruption that happened years after his "death"/"resurrection".
23rd Jul '15 5:47:12 AM Nokkosjumala
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** From the movie:
--> '''John:''' I called myself "John". I almost always do. As tales of resurrection spread, the name was confused with the Hebrew "Yochanan", meaning "God is gracious." My stay on Earth was seen as divine proof of immortality. That led to "God is salvation", or Hebrew "Yahshua", which in translation became my proper name, changing to late Greek "Ieosus", then to late Latin "Iesus", and finally medieval Latin, "Jesus", and it was a wonder to watch it all happen.
1st Oct '14 9:27:01 PM Fireblood
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*** According to tradition, they were. The books themselves do not say this. First John 1:1 reads "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Your quote is not found. I'm not sure where the evidence for Mark/Paul and Luke/Peter comes from. The Gospels were anonymous originally, the names added years after, therefore we do not know for sure who wrote them, if they were eyewitnesses, or drew on eyewitness accounts. Eyewitness evidence is the worst by far in any case.



*** Yeshua was the Aramaic proper name of Jesus. Yeshua was the name "Joshua," as we know it now. So it's not a stretch to go from Joshua to John over years.

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*** *** Yeshua was the Aramaic proper name of Jesus. Yeshua was the name "Joshua," as we know it now. So it's not a stretch to go from Joshua to John over years.



*** To clarify what the above troper wrote, Cruxification is not only a form of death sentence but also public torture. The body is tied to the cross in the hot sun in public and have his ankles broken. Then he/she is left for days outside to die a slow painful death via hypothermia, dehydration, and pain. Stabbing a guy through the nails on his hands will result in a relatively quick death via blood-loss. It is also note that nailing a person to a cross is actually PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE, as due to the weight of the human body, odds are the hands will just slide off or be torn off the nails.

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*** To clarify what the above troper wrote, Cruxification crucifixion is not only a form of death sentence but also by public torture. The body is tied to the cross in the hot sun in public and have his ankles broken. Then he/she is left for days outside to die a slow painful death via hypothermia, dehydration, and pain. Stabbing a guy through the nails on his hands will result in a relatively quick death via blood-loss. It is also note that nailing a person to a cross is actually PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE, as due to the weight of the human body, odds are the hands will just slide off or be torn off the nails.
*** It's been clarified that a victim would have to be nailed through the wrists, not hands, as only the latter could support the weight. Nailing someone actually was an act of ''mercy'', as it caused them to die faster (as was spearing them through the lungs, which the Bible depicts Jesus as undergoing). The Romans sometimes would add a base beneath the feet if they wanted to prolong the torture, or break the legs of the victim so they'd collapse and die faster. Purportedly, Julius Caesar was once kidnapped by pirates as a young man, who were punished with crucifixion after he was rescued. He allegedly cut their throats to spare them prolonged torment. Crucifixion was the Roman punishment for any crime against their state or its citizens.



20th Apr '14 1:53:06 PM Mareon
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*** Frankly, what everybody forgets when they talk about MayflyDecemberRomances is the fact that the immortal partner isn't sprinting through eternity, they just never stop walking. They wake up an experiences every day in Real Time. Why wouldn't they want to experience love and happiness during some 60+ years of those days?

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*** Frankly, what everybody forgets when they talk about MayflyDecemberRomances [[MayflyDecemberRomance MayflyDecemberRomances]] is the fact that the immortal partner isn't sprinting through eternity, they just never stop walking. They wake up an experiences every day in Real Time. Why wouldn't they want to experience love and happiness during some 60+ years of those days?
14th Jan '14 12:27:13 PM Mareon
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*** Frankly, what everybody forgets when they talk about MayflyDecemberRomances is the fact that the immortal partner isn't sprinting through eternity, they just never stop walking. They wake up an experiences every day in Real Time. Why wouldn't they want to experience love and happiness during some 60+ years of those days?
13th Sep '13 6:45:41 PM JoeMama78
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***Matthew and John were Jesus' disciples (read First John 1:1 - that "which we looked upon and have touched with our hands,") Mark was an associate of Peter, and Luke was an associate of Paul who did his research. Luke 1:1-4 "Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught."
26th Aug '13 12:56:38 PM fbiuzz
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*** To clarify what the above troper wrote, Cruxification is not only a form of death sentence but also public torture. The body is tied to the cross in the hot sun in public and have his ankles broken. Then he/she is left for days outside to die a slow painful death via hypothermia, dehydration, and pain. stabbing a guy through the nails on his hands will result in a relatively quick death via blood-loss. It is also note that nailing a person to a cross is actually PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE, as due to the weight of the human body, odds are the hands will just slide off the nails be torn off.

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*** To clarify what the above troper wrote, Cruxification is not only a form of death sentence but also public torture. The body is tied to the cross in the hot sun in public and have his ankles broken. Then he/she is left for days outside to die a slow painful death via hypothermia, dehydration, and pain. stabbing Stabbing a guy through the nails on his hands will result in a relatively quick death via blood-loss. It is also note that nailing a person to a cross is actually PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE, as due to the weight of the human body, odds are the hands will just slide off the nails or be torn off.off the nails.
26th Aug '13 12:55:06 PM fbiuzz
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*** To clarify what the above troper wrote, Cruxification is not only a form of death sentence but also public torture. The buy is tied to the cross in the hot sun in public and have his ankles broken. Then he/she is left for days outside to die a slow painful death via hypothermia, dehydration, and pain. stabbing a guy through the nails on his hands will result in a relatively quick death via blood-loss. It is also note that nailing a person to a cross is actually PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE, as due to the weight of the human body, odds are the hands will just slide off the nails be torn off.

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*** To clarify what the above troper wrote, Cruxification is not only a form of death sentence but also public torture. The buy body is tied to the cross in the hot sun in public and have his ankles broken. Then he/she is left for days outside to die a slow painful death via hypothermia, dehydration, and pain. stabbing a guy through the nails on his hands will result in a relatively quick death via blood-loss. It is also note that nailing a person to a cross is actually PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE, as due to the weight of the human body, odds are the hands will just slide off the nails be torn off.
26th Aug '13 12:54:34 PM fbiuzz
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*** To clarify what the above troper wrote, Cruxification is not only a form of death sentence but also public torture. The buy is tied to the cross in the hot sun in public and have his ankles broken. Then he/she is left for days outside to die a slow painful death via hypothermia, dehydration, and pain. stabbing a guy through the nails on his hands will result in a relatively quick death via blood-loss. It is also note that nailing a person to a cross is actually PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE, as due to the weight of the human body, odds are the hands will just slide off the nails be torn off.
9th Aug '13 4:35:22 AM DoctorNemesis
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** Because in between marrying them and leaving them, he gets a few years at least of happiness, companionship and family.
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