History Headscratchers / TheLionKing

31st Jul '17 9:02:05 AM Julia1984
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* Some possibilities:
** Theory 1: Sure, Scar blaming the hyenas had no material, concrete negative consequences for them ''in this specific context'', but him trying to save his own skin by blaming the hyenas shows, well, that he's perfectly willing to blame the hyenas to save his own skin. He's demonstrated they can't trust him, that if it's a choice between saving himself and loyalty to his followers, Scar will choose to save himself and sacrifice his followers. Maybe it wouldn't mean any additional suffering for them this time, but what about next time? Once someone shows they're ''willing'' to sacrifice you for his own benefit, even if it won't affect you this time, you can't trust him hereafter. Since, Scar had just proven he was no longer a trustworthy ally to the hyenas, they might as well get the only use out of him they could anymore: the first good meal they've had in years.
** Theory 2: Even if it wasn't rational, they were angered enough by the betrayal and their leader treating them as nothing more than disposable pawns to want revenge. "Try to use us to weasel your way out a jam, eh, pal? Nobody makes a fool out of the hyenas!"
** Theory 3: FantasticRacism has always been an underlying theme of ''The Lion King'' franchise. How did the beginning of Scar's blaming speech go? "I am family. It's the hyenas who are the real enemy." Translation: "You can't kill me -- you and I are alike. We're supposed to stick together. Go after that inferior species instead! Everybody knows they're evil and you can't trust them! Our kind have always looked down on them -- you know they're only ones who should be seen as evil here." Scar gained leadership over the hyenas by promising them all the freedom and prosperity Mufasa denied them, seemingly in a species vs. species rivalry for food and territory. By calling them "the real enemy," he's treating them the way they've always been treated by lions -- the Other who are nothing but trouble for lions. That's enough to make anyone want revenge.
13th Jul '17 7:20:00 AM Everlighte
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** So the lionesses believed that counted as being a murderer? So because his little roar allegedly ''accidentally'' started the stampede that killed his father, were the lionesses (except Nala)- [[WhattheHellHero even his own mother -]] willing to let Simba [[WhattheHellHero DIE because of something that had to have been an accident?]] If not, then why didn't they help him until Scar confessed?

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** So the lionesses believed that counted as being a murderer? So because his little roar allegedly ''accidentally'' started the stampede that killed his father, were the lionesses (except Nala)- [[WhattheHellHero even his own mother -]] willing -willing to let Simba [[WhattheHellHero DIE because of something that had to have been an accident?]] accident? If not, then why didn't they help him until Scar confessed?
8th Jul '17 12:48:14 PM nombretomado
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*** Actually, TheOtherWiki says meerkats reach 12-14 on average. For those wondering, that's the same lifespan as lions. Also, aging is not very noticeable after a lion reaches three or four years old, and gray hairs aren't really noticeable/prominent in them as they age, so it makes sense that Simba and Nala are the only ones who look like they've aged.

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*** Actually, TheOtherWiki Wiki/TheOtherWiki says meerkats reach 12-14 on average. For those wondering, that's the same lifespan as lions. Also, aging is not very noticeable after a lion reaches three or four years old, and gray hairs aren't really noticeable/prominent in them as they age, so it makes sense that Simba and Nala are the only ones who look like they've aged.
19th Jun '17 4:38:01 AM ben9192
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* Well, sometimes, I wonder if the flashback of Simba after Scar secret confession isn't a way to show how he personally witnessed his father assassination, but didn't realize it at the time, and because of the Hakuna Matata philosophy, he never rethought of this until then.



* Where exactly do all of the wildebeest go after the stampede? We clearly see Simba reach the end of the gorge, which is a massive vertical slope riddled with boulders. How does a herd of a few hundred wildebeest manage to make it out of there?
** It probably took time for Simba to make his way down to the bottom of the gorge, and before that, to even ''consider'' going down into the gorge, after seeing his father fall into the midst of a stampede and fearing the worst because of it. He also had to find the exact spot where Mufasa had come to rest - both of these factors could've given the wildebeests enough time to find a way out of the gorge.

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* Where exactly do all of the wildebeest go after the stampede? We clearly see Simba reach the end of the gorge, which is a massive vertical slope riddled with boulders. How does a herd of a few hundred wildebeest manage to make it out of there?
** * It probably took time for Simba to make his way down to the bottom of the gorge, and before that, to even ''consider'' going down into the gorge, after seeing his father fall into the midst of a stampede and fearing the worst because of it. He also had to find the exact spot where Mufasa had come to rest - both of these factors could've given the wildebeests enough time to find a way out of the gorge.



** It's just the way she was designed. I doubt it has any real significance or reason beyond a way to tell her apart from the others.

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** * It's just the way she was designed. I doubt it has any real significance or reason beyond a way to tell her apart from the others.



* How does Simba know how to fight well enough to hold his own against Nala when they encounter each other as adults? There weren't any animals in the jungle he grew up in he could've hunted to hone his skills - Timon said so - and no lions from whom he could've learned to fight. Did he learn that much in the short time before Mufasa was killed?
** It was probably just instinct kicking in. He may not have known how to fight particularly well (seeing as he still got beaten), but he knew to just consistently go at it with his claws and outmaneuver Nala whenever he could.

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* How does Simba know how to fight well enough to hold his own against Nala when they encounter each other as adults? There weren't any animals in the jungle he grew up in he could've hunted to hone his skills - Timon said so - and no lions from whom he could've learned to fight. Did he learn that much in the short time before Mufasa was killed?
** * It was probably just instinct kicking in. He may not have known how to fight particularly well (seeing as he still got beaten), but he knew to just consistently go at it with his claws and outmaneuver Nala whenever he could.



* Did anyone else get the feeling that Scar's confession came a little too easily? He had Simba backed up to the edge of a cliff, none of the lionesses seemed willing to vouch for Simba, and he still had the allegiance of the hyenas above all else. Then, once Simba puts a paw to his throat, he acts as though surrender is the only option, when he should know that confessing to the murder would ensure that the other lions would tear him apart. Why not just command the hyenas to get Simba off of him or something?

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* Did anyone else get the feeling that Scar's confession came a little too easily? He had Simba backed up to the edge of a cliff, none of the lionesses seemed willing to vouch for Simba, and he still had the allegiance of the hyenas above all else. Then, once Simba puts a paw to his throat, he acts as though surrender is the only option, when he should know that confessing to the murder would ensure that the other lions would tear him apart. Why not just command the hyenas to get Simba off of him or something?something?
* I agree it was not a very smart move from Scar : had he just refuted Simba's accusation, no doubt the lionesses would have left the young "regicide" prince be mauled by the hyenas on Scar's command (as we see how they intervene in a blink of an eye, Scar is never in any real danger to justify that he was forced). Of course, now that Simba finally works his brain to understand everything was Scar's maneuvers, he could explain the whole thing to everybody else; but it would take much longer, breaking the intensity of the action. Even so, it would be his words against Scar's words. So, Scar's admission is something done more for the sake of the plot resolution and drama than anything else. I really like to imagine that the scenarists had created such a great villain that they needed to invoke ghosts of his victim, bad luck and tons of stupid failures to finally put him down.
18th Jun '17 5:30:56 PM Brandon
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** The "Be Prepared" reprise features a moment where the hyenas sing "Just like any other, who murdered a brother", which that alone should have raised a bunch of questions.
8th Jun '17 5:00:06 PM Anorgil
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* Basically, Scar had won over the loyalty of the hyenas by promising them all the food they could ever want. And within the time it took a lion cub to grow up, the Pridelands had been completely depleted of game (to the extent that even Banzai comments that things were even worse under Scar than they had been under Mufasa); tensions between Scar and the hyenas were already strained because of Scar's broken promises, and it is perfectly reasonable that trying to blame it all on them would be the last straw.
8th Jun '17 4:43:18 PM Anorgil
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** Given how exhausted Mufasa had been from his attempt to rescue Simba (the only real advantage Scar had over Mufasa at that moment), and how ''not'' exhausted Simba was when Scar tried to pull the same trick on him, it's clear that Scar hadn't thought things through.
4th Jun '17 9:19:15 PM sugaricequeen
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[[WMG: Scar's confession]]
* Did anyone else get the feeling that Scar's confession came a little too easily? He had Simba backed up to the edge of a cliff, none of the lionesses seemed willing to vouch for Simba, and he still had the allegiance of the hyenas above all else. Then, once Simba puts a paw to his throat, he acts as though surrender is the only option, when he should know that confessing to the murder would ensure that the other lions would tear him apart. Why not just command the hyenas to get Simba off of him or something?
15th May '17 8:05:41 PM Tightwire
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* On top of everything else, over-hunting a biome's herbivores leads to ''more'' grass, not less.
** "Delegated"? Sarabi is the head lioness. Mufasa never had anything to do with hunting and certainly would know better than to tell her how to do her own job. The purpose of the lion is to protect the pride from enemies and occasionally help with large game, if asked. The queen runs the hunting parties.



* I think part way through Scar's reign of overhunting, the Pridelands just happened to be hit by a bad drought. If Mufasa were still king at the time, he might have had the presence of mind to implement rationing to preserve the vegetation and balance, but the selfish Scar wouldn't put in enough forethought which lead to the desolation.
* I'm writing a fanfic that actually ''explains'' this. Lions and Hyenas really, really hate each other in the wild, as much as a wild animal can actually 'hate'. When Scar brought the hyenas in it disrupted the circle of life, but that wasn't enough. With more food and less enemies, more hyena pups were surviving, and the lionesses couldn't kill hyenas. Hyena clans kick adolescent males out to keep the Clan in a functioning, manageable size to provide for, but at the end Scar is adamant that "We're not going anywhere". I don't believe Scar was allowing ANYBODY to leave - not even hyenas. With the population boom you'd naturally see from the hyenas just a few months after coming to the Pride Lands, you wouldn't actually ''need'' a drought to devastate the ecosystem - but it happened anyway.

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* I think part way through Scar's reign of overhunting, the Pridelands just happened to be hit by a bad drought. If Mufasa were still king at the time, he might have had the presence of mind to implement rationing to preserve the vegetation and balance, but the selfish Scar wouldn't put in enough forethought which lead to the desolation.
* I'm writing a fanfic that actually ''explains'' this. Lions and Hyenas really, really hate each other in the wild, as much as a wild animal can actually 'hate'. When Scar brought the hyenas in it disrupted the circle of life, but that wasn't enough. With more food and less enemies, more hyena pups were surviving, and the lionesses couldn't kill hyenas. Hyena clans kick adolescent males out to keep the Clan in a functioning, manageable size to provide for, but at the end Scar is adamant that "We're not going anywhere". I don't believe Scar was allowing ANYBODY to leave - not even hyenas. With the population boom you'd naturally see from the hyenas just a few months after coming to the Pride Lands, you wouldn't actually ''need'' a drought to devastate the ecosystem - but it happened anyway.
anyway.
** Keep in mind with the drought that this is the Horn of Africa. It is depressingly susceptible to random droughts. Sure, that part wasn't Scar's fault but nobody actually blamed him for that. It's like an Oklahoma Senator being taken off-guard by a tornado. It was Scar's ''responsibility'' to find a solution, and as we saw he was clearly in denial - the longer it went on, the worse it got. He didn't even ''try''.




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** If Nala is a daughter of a member of the Lion Guard, perhaps it was some kind of tradition there.



* I dunno...maybe Timon made too much of a splash, too...

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* I dunno... maybe Timon made too much of a splash, too...



** Because he was likely too injured to make it vey far. The cliff he fell from wasn't exactly small so it wouldn't be completely unreasonable that he had some kind of injury by the time he hit the bottom. A little earlier, when he was fleeing from Simba, he looked down and saw the drop. That cliff looked to be about 20ft or maybe slightly less. Plus, when he fell, he was clearly shown bouncing off the rocks as he went which definitely helped him survive a fall from that kind of height but it would have left more than a bruise. Scar would have probably fractured something, if not outright broke a bone, but he was probably able to still get up because of the adrenaline that was no doubt coursing through his body.

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** Because he was likely too injured to make it vey very far. The cliff he fell from wasn't exactly small so it wouldn't be completely unreasonable that he had some kind of injury by the time he hit the bottom. A little earlier, when he was fleeing from Simba, he looked down and saw the drop. That cliff looked to be about 20ft or maybe slightly less. Plus, when he fell, he was clearly shown bouncing off the rocks as he went which definitely helped him survive a fall from that kind of height but it would have left more than a bruise. Scar would have probably fractured something, if not outright broke a bone, but he was probably able to still get up because of the adrenaline that was no doubt coursing through his body.



[[WMG: How come sarabi is darker than the other lionesses? ]]

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[[WMG: How come sarabi Sarabi is darker than the other lionesses? ]]
28th Apr '17 3:37:34 AM Tightwire
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* Well, Banzai and Ed might be cool for getting a guy to the throne for a lump of meat, but Shenzi's Matriarch and she's gonna want a bigger piece of the pie. And Scar isn't a physical kind of guy. He used the Hyenas as his enforcers to keep lions who wanted to take over out, and people who wanted to escape in.





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\n** Some interpretations are that Nala ''escaped''. You know, to avoid being raped.





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* Depending on your point of view, it's because the Lions are a bunch of hypocrites and other animals are ''afraid'' of them.




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* I find that things are always easier to explain when you accept that Mufasa is clearly a hypocrite. In the wild, hyenas and lions are directly at odds and pretty much hate each other because they are in direct competition for food, which is actually fair enough. But if Disney had explained that, Mufasa would have looked like an asshole.




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** You said it yourself. All the best villains are British.



* Partially because Scar is not a hyena but a lion and partially because he is less leader than he is ally as far as most hyenas are concerned. The pack answers to Shenzi. Shenzi answers to Scar thanks to their agreement. The hyenas help keep control of the pridelands for Scar and Scar lets them do whatever they want in the pridelands and guarantees a supply of food for them. Shenzi tells her pack to do as Scar says unless she says otherwise, and Scar gets himself his own private army. This might actually be why the entire pack turned on Scar in a second. Their final loyalty was to Shenzi rather than Scar so when Shenzi decides Scar is no longer her friend no convincing is needed to get the pack to tear him to shreds.
** RealLife hyenas certainly know that lion males are larger and more dangerous than females, and they respect strength.

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* Partially because Scar is not a hyena but a lion and partially because he is less leader than he is ally as far as most hyenas are concerned. The pack answers to Shenzi. Shenzi answers to Scar thanks to their agreement. The hyenas help keep control of the pridelands for Scar and Scar lets them do whatever they want in the pridelands and guarantees a supply of food for them. Shenzi tells her pack to do as Scar says unless she says otherwise, and Scar gets himself his own private army. This might actually be why the entire pack turned on Scar in a second. Their final loyalty was to Shenzi rather than Scar so when Shenzi decides Scar is no longer her friend no convincing is needed to get the pack to tear him to shreds.
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RealLife hyenas certainly know that lion males are larger and more dangerous than females, and they respect strength.
* They didn't exactly accept him as their leader. He doesn't beat his way to the top. They had ''Shenzi'' as their leader (or Scar would never have bothered with her). In "Be Prepared", Shenzi is actually the first to agree to Scar's proposals ("Great idea! Who needs a king" and "Yay! All right! Long live the king!"), and ''then'' the other hyenas agree. At the end, she leads the other hyenas in killing Scar, with no complaints.




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* Admittedly in "The Lion Guard" Zazu sings a song about the many responsibilities of a king, large amounts of which involve keeping relations between everybody amicable.


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