History Headscratchers / TheLionKing

15th May '17 8:05:41 PM Tightwire
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* On top of everything else, over-hunting a biome's herbivores leads to ''more'' grass, not less.
** "Delegated"? Sarabi is the head lioness. Mufasa never had anything to do with hunting and certainly would know better than to tell her how to do her own job. The purpose of the lion is to protect the pride from enemies and occasionally help with large game, if asked. The queen runs the hunting parties.



* I think part way through Scar's reign of overhunting, the Pridelands just happened to be hit by a bad drought. If Mufasa were still king at the time, he might have had the presence of mind to implement rationing to preserve the vegetation and balance, but the selfish Scar wouldn't put in enough forethought which lead to the desolation.
* I'm writing a fanfic that actually ''explains'' this. Lions and Hyenas really, really hate each other in the wild, as much as a wild animal can actually 'hate'. When Scar brought the hyenas in it disrupted the circle of life, but that wasn't enough. With more food and less enemies, more hyena pups were surviving, and the lionesses couldn't kill hyenas. Hyena clans kick adolescent males out to keep the Clan in a functioning, manageable size to provide for, but at the end Scar is adamant that "We're not going anywhere". I don't believe Scar was allowing ANYBODY to leave - not even hyenas. With the population boom you'd naturally see from the hyenas just a few months after coming to the Pride Lands, you wouldn't actually ''need'' a drought to devastate the ecosystem - but it happened anyway.

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* I think part way through Scar's reign of overhunting, the Pridelands just happened to be hit by a bad drought. If Mufasa were still king at the time, he might have had the presence of mind to implement rationing to preserve the vegetation and balance, but the selfish Scar wouldn't put in enough forethought which lead to the desolation.
* I'm writing a fanfic that actually ''explains'' this. Lions and Hyenas really, really hate each other in the wild, as much as a wild animal can actually 'hate'. When Scar brought the hyenas in it disrupted the circle of life, but that wasn't enough. With more food and less enemies, more hyena pups were surviving, and the lionesses couldn't kill hyenas. Hyena clans kick adolescent males out to keep the Clan in a functioning, manageable size to provide for, but at the end Scar is adamant that "We're not going anywhere". I don't believe Scar was allowing ANYBODY to leave - not even hyenas. With the population boom you'd naturally see from the hyenas just a few months after coming to the Pride Lands, you wouldn't actually ''need'' a drought to devastate the ecosystem - but it happened anyway.
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** Keep in mind with the drought that this is the Horn of Africa. It is depressingly susceptible to random droughts. Sure, that part wasn't Scar's fault but nobody actually blamed him for that. It's like an Oklahoma Senator being taken off-guard by a tornado. It was Scar's ''responsibility'' to find a solution, and as we saw he was clearly in denial - the longer it went on, the worse it got. He didn't even ''try''.




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** If Nala is a daughter of a member of the Lion Guard, perhaps it was some kind of tradition there.



* I dunno...maybe Timon made too much of a splash, too...

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* I dunno... maybe Timon made too much of a splash, too...



** Because he was likely too injured to make it vey far. The cliff he fell from wasn't exactly small so it wouldn't be completely unreasonable that he had some kind of injury by the time he hit the bottom. A little earlier, when he was fleeing from Simba, he looked down and saw the drop. That cliff looked to be about 20ft or maybe slightly less. Plus, when he fell, he was clearly shown bouncing off the rocks as he went which definitely helped him survive a fall from that kind of height but it would have left more than a bruise. Scar would have probably fractured something, if not outright broke a bone, but he was probably able to still get up because of the adrenaline that was no doubt coursing through his body.

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** Because he was likely too injured to make it vey very far. The cliff he fell from wasn't exactly small so it wouldn't be completely unreasonable that he had some kind of injury by the time he hit the bottom. A little earlier, when he was fleeing from Simba, he looked down and saw the drop. That cliff looked to be about 20ft or maybe slightly less. Plus, when he fell, he was clearly shown bouncing off the rocks as he went which definitely helped him survive a fall from that kind of height but it would have left more than a bruise. Scar would have probably fractured something, if not outright broke a bone, but he was probably able to still get up because of the adrenaline that was no doubt coursing through his body.



[[WMG: How come sarabi is darker than the other lionesses? ]]

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[[WMG: How come sarabi Sarabi is darker than the other lionesses? ]]
28th Apr '17 3:37:34 AM Tightwire
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* Well, Banzai and Ed might be cool for getting a guy to the throne for a lump of meat, but Shenzi's Matriarch and she's gonna want a bigger piece of the pie. And Scar isn't a physical kind of guy. He used the Hyenas as his enforcers to keep lions who wanted to take over out, and people who wanted to escape in.





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\n** Some interpretations are that Nala ''escaped''. You know, to avoid being raped.





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* Depending on your point of view, it's because the Lions are a bunch of hypocrites and other animals are ''afraid'' of them.




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* I find that things are always easier to explain when you accept that Mufasa is clearly a hypocrite. In the wild, hyenas and lions are directly at odds and pretty much hate each other because they are in direct competition for food, which is actually fair enough. But if Disney had explained that, Mufasa would have looked like an asshole.




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** You said it yourself. All the best villains are British.



* Partially because Scar is not a hyena but a lion and partially because he is less leader than he is ally as far as most hyenas are concerned. The pack answers to Shenzi. Shenzi answers to Scar thanks to their agreement. The hyenas help keep control of the pridelands for Scar and Scar lets them do whatever they want in the pridelands and guarantees a supply of food for them. Shenzi tells her pack to do as Scar says unless she says otherwise, and Scar gets himself his own private army. This might actually be why the entire pack turned on Scar in a second. Their final loyalty was to Shenzi rather than Scar so when Shenzi decides Scar is no longer her friend no convincing is needed to get the pack to tear him to shreds.
** RealLife hyenas certainly know that lion males are larger and more dangerous than females, and they respect strength.

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* Partially because Scar is not a hyena but a lion and partially because he is less leader than he is ally as far as most hyenas are concerned. The pack answers to Shenzi. Shenzi answers to Scar thanks to their agreement. The hyenas help keep control of the pridelands for Scar and Scar lets them do whatever they want in the pridelands and guarantees a supply of food for them. Shenzi tells her pack to do as Scar says unless she says otherwise, and Scar gets himself his own private army. This might actually be why the entire pack turned on Scar in a second. Their final loyalty was to Shenzi rather than Scar so when Shenzi decides Scar is no longer her friend no convincing is needed to get the pack to tear him to shreds.
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RealLife hyenas certainly know that lion males are larger and more dangerous than females, and they respect strength.
* They didn't exactly accept him as their leader. He doesn't beat his way to the top. They had ''Shenzi'' as their leader (or Scar would never have bothered with her). In "Be Prepared", Shenzi is actually the first to agree to Scar's proposals ("Great idea! Who needs a king" and "Yay! All right! Long live the king!"), and ''then'' the other hyenas agree. At the end, she leads the other hyenas in killing Scar, with no complaints.




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* Admittedly in "The Lion Guard" Zazu sings a song about the many responsibilities of a king, large amounts of which involve keeping relations between everybody amicable.


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28th Apr '17 2:48:29 AM Tightwire
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\n* What would you do? The hyenas trusted Scar to feed them and give them a better life. In return they patrolled the Pride Lands. And even when it all went down to the shit-house, they still fought for him in the final battle. Even after he admitted that "I killed Mufasa" and the jig was up, they supported him. And now he's trying to fudge everything off on them. The murder of a king. The coup. Trying to frikkin' murder Simba. Scar didn't know Simba wouldn't believe him. If Simba ''had'' believed Scar, the hyenas would be so deeply in the shits that you couldn't dig them out with a snowplough. How would YOU feel? And you may say "They're animals" but we are SUPPOSED to see them as people, so that we can better empathise with them.




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** Sarabi says "It's not true. Tell me it's not true." She DOESN'T believe it. And it's NOT true. But Simba tells her it's true; he's responsible for Mufasa's death. And THEN Scar pops out the word 'Murderer', which is a LOT different, as Simba tries to explain.




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* It's ART. Stop confusing it with real life.




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* Scar just doesn't like getting his paws dirty. Note how Scar never feels guilty about Simba, even in the Musical; he feels anything at all only for his direct actions against Mufasa. Like many manipulative jerks he has told himself that if he doesn't actually do it himself, it's not his fault. Simba's death isn't his fault because the hyenas finished the job out of sight. The fallacies in this are blatantly obvious to anybody who isn't a raging psychopath.


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* I'm writing a fanfic that actually ''explains'' this. Lions and Hyenas really, really hate each other in the wild, as much as a wild animal can actually 'hate'. When Scar brought the hyenas in it disrupted the circle of life, but that wasn't enough. With more food and less enemies, more hyena pups were surviving, and the lionesses couldn't kill hyenas. Hyena clans kick adolescent males out to keep the Clan in a functioning, manageable size to provide for, but at the end Scar is adamant that "We're not going anywhere". I don't believe Scar was allowing ANYBODY to leave - not even hyenas. With the population boom you'd naturally see from the hyenas just a few months after coming to the Pride Lands, you wouldn't actually ''need'' a drought to devastate the ecosystem - but it happened anyway.


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8th Apr '17 4:59:07 PM CrypticMirror
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[[WMG: Why do people think Simba and Nala must be related because that's how real lion prides work?]]
* It's a Disney movie! If Disney canonically made them related, they'd be saying "Incest is ok, kids!" Disney would never put in something as nasty and wrong as incest in a movie for children, especially with "Can You Feel the Love Tonight."

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[[WMG: Why do people think Simba and Nala must be related because that's how real lion prides work?]]
* It's a Disney movie! If Disney canonically made them related, they'd be saying "Incest is ok, kids!" Disney would never put in something as nasty and wrong as incest in a movie for children, especially with "Can You Feel the Love Tonight."
7th Apr '17 8:52:35 PM Everlighte
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[[WMG: Why do people think Simba and Nala must be related because that's how real lion prides work?]]
*It's a Disney movie! If Disney canonically made them related, they'd be saying "Incest is ok, kids!" Disney would never put in something as nasty and wrong as incest in a movie for children, especially with "Can You Feel the Love Tonight."
7th Apr '17 5:02:51 PM nombretomado
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** C'mon guys! Scar was calling in a favor [[ThePrincessAndTheFrog Dr. Facilier]] owed him!

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** C'mon guys! Scar was calling in a favor [[ThePrincessAndTheFrog [[Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog Dr. Facilier]] owed him!
30th Mar '17 7:46:58 AM JPO398
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** It was probably just instinct kicking in. He may not have known how to fight particularly well (seeing as he still got beaten), but he knew to just consistently go at it with his claws and outmaneuver Nala whenever he could.
25th Mar '17 7:06:47 PM Sharlee
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** Possibly they initially considered both options, then tested whether their animation was up to the challenge of ''showing'' a massive wildebeest stampede without blowing the budget and/or production schedule.
10th Mar '17 5:40:52 PM Nire
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** With ''WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard'' shaking things up even more, it's become pretty obvious that Disney just tacks things on to this franchise as they see fit, without much thought as to how the new elements will mesh with the old ones - in particular, there's a lot of RememberTheNewGuy going on: Kiara apparently had a little brother the whole time, the Lion Guard was even a thing and Scar was part of it, etc. Zira's pride is just an earlier example of that.
24th Feb '17 9:18:35 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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[[WMG: Simba fighting]]
* How does Simba know how to fight well enough to hold his own against Nala when they encounter each other as adults? There weren't any animals in the jungle he grew up in he could've hunted to hone his skills - Timon said so - and no lions from whom he could've learned to fight. Did he learn that much in the short time before Mufasa was killed?
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