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18th Nov '17 11:49:13 PM PandaXclone2
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* Hyrule Enclyclopedia clarified this. There is no staying in Termina, it's not real. It was created out of the Skull Kid's memories and imagination (hence why a lot of the people resemble people in Hyrule) and given life by Majora's Mask. Once Link got the mask at the end, Termina ceased to exist.
18th Nov '17 1:41:49 PM Akaihiryuu
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* Hyrule Enclyclopedia clarified this. There is no staying in Termina, it's not real. It was created out of the Skull Kid's memories and imagination (hence why a lot of the people resemble people in Hyrule) and given life by Majora's Mask. Once Link got the mask at the end, Termina ceased to exist.
10th Nov '17 8:12:06 AM sugaricequeen
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*** Really? I've played the 3DS version, and I remember the mask working exactly as it always did.
6th Oct '17 10:05:20 PM Sammettik
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* Why is the boss of ''Majora's Mask''[='=]s Great Bay Temple called George?
** ...George?
** Gyorg, the name of the giant fish, sounds almost identical to the name Georg (pronounced GEY-org), the German form of George.
** I realize that this is a joke JBM, but I feel compelled to give my opinion. I always thought its name was an onomatopoeia for its roar. What bugs me about it is how it's suddenly a water/sand mook in ''Wind Waker'' and the DS sequels.
** [[MeaningfulName "Gyo" means "fish" in Japanese]].
** There's also the sky Gyorgs in ''Minish Cap''.
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6th Oct '17 10:03:49 PM Sammettik
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** The skull kid resides at the top o the Clock Tower, which Link isn't able to reach until Midnight of the Final Day.

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** The skull kid resides at the top o of the Clock Tower, which Link isn't able to reach until Midnight of the Final Day.
6th Oct '17 9:51:54 PM Sammettik
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** The new book Hyrule Encyclopedia explains that Termina is a parallel world which was created by Majora's Mask using Skull Kid's memories, emotions and experience, and ceased to exist the moment Link left Termina. So for all intents and purposes, Termina's Moon isn't Hyrule's Moon but was for a period of time a real moon nonetheless.



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* According to the ''Hyrule Encyclopedia'' that was recently released, Termina is [[spoiler: supposedly only a ''temporary'' alternate universe, that ceases to exist once Link departs from it at the end of the game.]] My question about this is, if [[spoiler: the world was created using the power of Majora's Mask]], then why would Link leaving be the trigger for [[spoiler: its destruction]]? Why wouldn't it [[spoiler: just vanish once the evil power inside the mask was gone]]?
** Because Link's experience and thoughts of Termina [[spoiler: are keeping the universe runnning. By leaving that place, there's nothing left for Termina to base itself from, so it vanishes.]] Presumably had any [[spoiler: real]] entity decided to live inside of Termina [[spoiler: the place could have gone on for as long as that entity stayed alive to fuel Termina's world.]]
** Relating to this twist, was the Happy Mask Salesman you encounter in this game the same as the one from Hyrule in ''Ocarina of Time'', or Termina's counterpart of him? And if the former, did he know the truth about the world?
** The Happy Mask Salesman is indeed the very same one from Ocarina of Time. It's unknown if he knew about the truth of the world, but considering the fact he owned Majora's Mask for some time and knew of its history, it is likely he did.
** On a related note, thinking more and more about it only raises more questions than answers, and it's been bugging this troper. [[spoiler: Termina apparently being created by Majora's Mask's power based on Skull Kid's memories simply doesn't make sense. We literally see a flashback showing Skull Kid in Termina long before he ever met the Mask. It also raises the question as to how Skull Kid would have all these memories of Hyrule and its people when he's apparently been confined to the Lost Woods and/or Kokiri Forest his whole life. To me, it feels more like someone on the Encyclopedia's writing staff had too much freedom and inserted their Link's Awakening-wannabe fan fiction.]]
** ^ I was actually thinking the same thing, and while I agree that this twist was ''entirely'' pointless and came ''completely'' out of left field, [[spoiler: Tatl's memories of Skull Kid are probably meant to be seen as fabrications made by the mask, and if the first response is anything to go by, Termina borrowed as much from Link's memories as it did Skull Kid's, using those of one of them to create things the other couldn't have witnessed, like the Gerudoes, for example.]]
** Original responder here, and I totally agree. It's sad to find that they canonised Termina to being nothing more than the temporary product of a RealityWarper. In the same vein as above the Four Giants story of leaving Skull Kid behind are to some extent fabricated; the difference being that the Four Giants either represent or are actual entities that did leave Skull Kid at some point, albeit somewhere else.
** Not to mention, the pointlessness of it leaks over into how it affects the plot - Link goes to all that trouble to keep Termina from being destroyed. It's probably one of the biggest adventures he's ever been on. [[spoiler: And then Termina gets destroyed anyway.]] ''Link's Awakening''at least made it clear that Link had to wake the Wind Fish in order to leave the island and return home, while also mentioning the moral implications of what he was doing. None of that works here because Link never found out about Termina's fragile existence, and the outcome probably would've been the same if he had.

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Staying in Termina]]
* According to the ''Hyrule Encyclopedia'' that was recently released, Termina is [[spoiler: supposedly only a ''temporary'' alternate universe, that ceases to exist once Link departs from it at At the end of the game.]] My question about this is, if [[spoiler: the world was created using the power of Majora's Mask]], then game, why would doesn't Link leaving be the trigger for [[spoiler: its destruction]]? Why wouldn't it [[spoiler: just vanish once the evil power inside the mask was gone]]?
** Because Link's experience and thoughts of Termina [[spoiler: are keeping the universe runnning. By leaving that place, there's nothing left for Termina
seem to base itself from, so it vanishes.]] Presumably had any [[spoiler: real]] entity decided to live inside of Termina [[spoiler: the place could have gone on for as long as that entity stayed alive to fuel Termina's world.]]
** Relating to this twist, was the Happy Mask Salesman you encounter
consider staying in this game the same as the one from Termina? Sure, Hyrule is his homeland, but it's been made clear that no one there remembers the heroic deeds he performed in ''Ocarina of Time'', or Termina's counterpart of him? And if Time'' - the former, did he know the truth most anyone knows about the world?
** The Happy Mask Salesman
him is indeed the very same one from Ocarina of Time. It's unknown if he knew about the truth of the world, but considering the fact he owned Majora's Mask for some time and knew of its history, it is likely he did.
** On a related note, thinking more and more about it only raises more questions than answers, and it's been bugging this troper. [[spoiler: Termina apparently being created by Majora's Mask's power based on Skull Kid's memories simply doesn't make sense. We literally see a flashback showing Skull Kid in Termina long before he ever met the Mask. It also raises the question as to how Skull Kid would have all these memories of Hyrule and its people when he's apparently been confined to the Lost Woods and/or Kokiri Forest his whole life. To me, it feels more like someone on the Encyclopedia's writing staff had too much freedom and inserted their Link's Awakening-wannabe fan fiction.]]
** ^ I was actually thinking the same thing, and while I agree
that this twist was ''entirely'' pointless he stopped Ganondorf's coming attack and came ''completely'' out of left field, [[spoiler: Tatl's memories of Skull Kid are probably meant to be seen as fabrications made by allowed the mask, and if the first response is anything king to go by, Termina borrowed as much from Link's memories as it did Skull Kid's, using those of one of them to create things the other couldn't have witnessed, like the Gerudoes, for example.]]
** Original responder here, and I totally agree. It's sad to find that they canonised Termina to being nothing more than the temporary product of a RealityWarper. In the same vein as above the Four Giants story of leaving Skull Kid behind are to some extent fabricated; the difference being that the Four Giants either represent or are actual entities that did leave Skull Kid at some point, albeit somewhere else.
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apprehend him. Not to mention, the pointlessness of it leaks over into how it affects the plot - Link goes to all knowledge that trouble he will soon be forced to keep Termina from being destroyed. It's probably one of outgrow the biggest adventures people he's ever been on. [[spoiler: And then Termina gets destroyed grown up alongside so far. (Who were never really that friendly to him, anyway.]] ''Link's Awakening''at ) On the other hand, in Termina, everyone has met Link in at least made it clear some capacity, they all ''remember'' the catastrophe he saved them from, Romani even offers to let him live at the ranch from then on...Did he ever consider staying there an option?
** Remember, Link's original goal was not to save Termina. It was finding his old friend Navi. I bet
that Link had to wake enjoyed exploring the Wind Fish world and meeting it's citizens as much as the player does. However, it also becomes apparent that while Termina is a beautiful place with wonderful people, it's incredibly small. If Link found Navi during his quest to save Termina, maybe he would have stayed. But he didn't. And there's no point in staying around to look for her because there's nowhere else in Termina to explore. So Link leaves in order to leave the island find Navi, and return home, while also mentioning the moral implications of what he was doing. None of Termina ceases to exist. Personally, this troper believes that works here because Link never found out should have stayed, especially with the whole lesson that Skull Kid learns about Termina's fragile existence, how old friends will always care about you, but can't always be with you. But maybe Link prefers to be with someone that he's known for most of his life, and the outcome probably would've has been with him every step of the same if way. The citizens of Termina are nice, but they haven't experienced what Link has experienced.
*** Couldn't
he had.at least have stayed for the carnival? Sure, Tatl basically told him to piss off, but he saved their world, couldn't he at least get the honor of attending the carnival? That was one thing that annoyed me about the ending.
*** The end credits show that he did at least stay for some of it - we can see him, under the guise of Mikau, playing guitar alongside the Indigo-Gos for their carnival performance.




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* Considering we know now that [[spoiler: Termina never actually existed to begin with, and was created for the express purpose of being destroyed]], one wonders why Majora's Mask went to all that trouble. If it's that bent on causing despair and mayhem, why not just hijack Hyrule's moon and do the same thing there?
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* At the end of the game, why doesn't Link seem to consider staying in Termina? Sure, Hyrule is his homeland, but it's been made clear that no one there remembers the heroic deeds he performed in ''Ocarina of Time'' - the most anyone knows about him is that he stopped Ganondorf's coming attack and allowed the king to apprehend him. Not to mention, the knowledge that he will soon be forced to outgrow the people he's grown up alongside so far. (Who were never really that friendly to him, anyway.) On the other hand, in Termina, everyone has met Link in at least some capacity, they all ''remember'' the catastrophe he saved them from, Romani even offers to let him live at the ranch from then on...Did he ever consider staying there an option?
** Remember, Link's original goal was not to save Termina. It was finding his old friend Navi. I bet that Link enjoyed exploring the world and meeting it's citizens as much as the player does. However, it also becomes apparent that while Termina is a beautiful place with wonderful people, it's incredibly small. If Link found Navi during his quest to save Termina, maybe he would have stayed. But he didn't. And there's no point in staying around to look for her because there's nowhere else in Termina to explore. So Link leaves in order to find Navi, and Termina ceases to exist. Personally, this troper believes that Link should have stayed, especially with the whole lesson that Skull Kid learns about how old friends will always care about you, but can't always be with you. But maybe Link prefers to be with someone that he's known for most of his life, and has been with him every step of the way. The citizens of Termina are nice, but they haven't experienced what Link has experienced.
*** Couldn't he at least have stayed for the carnival? Sure, Tatl basically told him to piss off, but he saved their world, couldn't he at least get the honor of attending the carnival? That was one thing that annoyed me about the ending.
*** The end credits show that he did at least stay for some of it - we can see him, under the guise of Mikau, playing guitar alongside the Indigo-Gos for their carnival performance.
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17th Sep '17 2:24:21 AM PandaXclone2
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** If it's any consolation, this appears to have been an oversight by the developers as they have patched it in the 3DS remake after initial release.
16th Sep '17 9:01:03 PM SoullessRaptor
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** Perhaps it's less a question of "survival" so much as that Goron Link would be stuck. They sink, they can't really do much to get out of that predicament, so the cosmic equivalent of Mario Kart's Lakitu grabs you and drops you back to shore.


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** Perception, perhaps. The Gorons so desperately want to believe that their hero and icon Darmani is back that they'll overlook the sudden addition of attire, perhaps chalking it up to the preternatural cold. The Zora accept that Mikau is a rockstar, and that he may perhaps do things like run off to the town and get a dye job, pick up some new clothes, etc. Imagine it similarly to a modern celebrity doing something garish and outlandish. Generally kinda gets shrugged off.
16th Sep '17 8:52:09 PM SoullessRaptor
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** Perhaps the masks are, in some fashion, less a physical object and more a tangible manifestation of a concept/hope. They aren't simple wooden blocks, but concepts, in a way. Proof of accomplishment, manifestations of hopes and dreams, etc.

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** Perhaps the masks are, in some fashion, less a physical object and more a tangible manifestation of a concept/hope. They aren't simple wooden blocks, but concepts, in a way. way. Proof of accomplishment, manifestations of hopes and dreams, etc.
16th Sep '17 8:51:21 PM SoullessRaptor
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** Possibly, they did a sort of brute-force mind wipe, or attempted a finer one but were unable to due to some combination of Romani's age and/or species.


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** Perhaps the masks are, in some fashion, less a physical object and more a tangible manifestation of a concept/hope. They aren't simple wooden blocks, but concepts, in a way. Proof of accomplishment, manifestations of hopes and dreams, etc.
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