History Headscratchers / TheLegendofZelda

22nd Apr '17 7:17:47 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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** I would agree with you in terms of most of that...except for ''Link's Awakening''. Clearly, it cannot be argued whether the Moblins would be considered "normal wildlife" or "demons in league with an ancient villain" - everything on Koholint is dictated by the slumber of the Wind Fish. There clearly isn't any way of deciding what's normal and what's not. (Remember, the island has an entire village inhabited by animals, which obviously doesn't maintain any semblance of reality.)

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** I would agree with you in terms of most of that...except for ''Link's Awakening''. Clearly, it cannot be argued whether the Moblins would be considered "normal wildlife" or "demons in league with an ancient villain" - everything on Koholint is dictated by the slumber of the Wind Fish. There clearly isn't any way of deciding what's normal and what's not. (Remember, the island has an entire village inhabited by animals, which obviously doesn't maintain any semblance of reality.) ''Resembling'' another enemy is not the same as ''being'' that same enemy - Big Blins are given their own unique name, so we may assume that they are not the same as Moblins.
17th Apr '17 3:05:30 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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** ''Breath of the Wild'' was actually going to give you the option of a male or female Link, but it was dropped in favor of Zelda, who was likewise dropped to keep the focus on Link. (Though things like the romance subplots, as usual, and the Great Fairies probably contributed to it, too.)
16th Apr '17 10:00:06 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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### The "Why would Zelda be stupid enough to go through the extremes of a sex change for a simple disguise?", and its arch nemesis, "Why would Zelda risk [[ClarkKenting being lazy in her disguise]] in front of a relatively Genre-Savvy boss by posing as a chick who just so happen to appear at a time Zelda fled from Hyrule and just so happen to be the only mook he has who backstabs him every time he looks away from her?"

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### The "Why would Zelda be stupid enough to go through the extremes of a sex change for a simple disguise?", and its arch nemesis, "Why would Zelda risk [[ClarkKenting being lazy in her disguise]] in front of a relatively Genre-Savvy boss by posing as a chick who just so happen to appear at a time Zelda fled from Hyrule and just so happen to be the only mook he has who backstabs him every time he looks away from her?"



** Put it another way- ''everyone'' knows that to attack a cucco repeatedly is suicide. Either Link is the only one dumb enough to actually try it, or [[GenreSavvy he knows he's got an eternal resurrection thing going and so doesn't fear death]].

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** Put it another way- ''everyone'' knows that to attack a cucco repeatedly is suicide. Either Link is the only one dumb enough to actually try it, or [[GenreSavvy he knows he's got an eternal resurrection thing going and so doesn't fear death]].death.



** The main protagonist being in a relationship which is relevant to the story's plot is one of the most pervasive tropes in mainstream fiction. Seriously, even if you look at action blockbusters you will usually find a love interest subplot (actual attempts at romance, on the other hand, are a bit less omnipresent). This leads many people, unconsciously or [[GenreSavvy consciously]], to make two assumptions about fiction in general. The first is that the main character MUST be in a relationship or at least be sexually/romantically attracted to someone; some exceptions can be made for exceptionally young characters, but the "first crush" theme is still fairly common. The second assumption is that the most important male and most important female characters' relationship is romantic unless and until proven platonic. This is really just another way of saying that the most likely love interest for any protagonist is the most important character of the opposite gender (at least in media not willing to deal with same-sex relationships). This is especially true if the love interest is on the hero's side, but DatingCatwoman also happens. Put both of them together, and presto! Link MUST have a "girlfriend" and Zelda is gonna be it until there is strong canon evidence to the contrary (and even THAT would only work for that particular Link and Zelda, considering the series we are dealing with).

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** The main protagonist being in a relationship which is relevant to the story's plot is one of the most pervasive tropes in mainstream fiction. Seriously, even if you look at action blockbusters you will usually find a love interest subplot (actual attempts at romance, on the other hand, are a bit less omnipresent). This leads many people, unconsciously or [[GenreSavvy consciously]], consciously, to make two assumptions about fiction in general. The first is that the main character MUST be in a relationship or at least be sexually/romantically attracted to someone; some exceptions can be made for exceptionally young characters, but the "first crush" theme is still fairly common. The second assumption is that the most important male and most important female characters' relationship is romantic unless and until proven platonic. This is really just another way of saying that the most likely love interest for any protagonist is the most important character of the opposite gender (at least in media not willing to deal with same-sex relationships). This is especially true if the love interest is on the hero's side, but DatingCatwoman also happens. Put both of them together, and presto! Link MUST have a "girlfriend" and Zelda is gonna be it until there is strong canon evidence to the contrary (and even THAT would only work for that particular Link and Zelda, considering the series we are dealing with).
16th Apr '17 9:01:11 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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** The whole point of the dream in Link's Awakening was it was just like a real world, so it doesn't invalidate anything. Big Blins look exactly like Club Moblins from OOT, regardless we see [[FanNickName blins]] they're working independently as pirates in both games, in Spirit Tracks we even see them relaxing at a table when not holding prisoners. Great Moblin was working alone in both Oracle games, either making travelers pay to pass by his fortress, or trying to monopolize the bomb making business. At several points, Great Moblin's followers could be dealt with peacefully. When Great Moblin and his forces encounter Zelda, all they want is her jewelry. Additionally after being defeated, Great Moblin moves into the Holodrum city of Sunken City where he laments having to open a regular bomb selling business. They're clearly sentient beings with their own agenda rather then mindless creations of Canon.

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** The whole point of the dream in Link's Awakening was it was just like a real world, so it doesn't invalidate anything. Big Blins look exactly like Club Moblins from OOT, regardless we see [[FanNickName blins]] they're working independently as pirates in both games, in Spirit Tracks we even see them relaxing at a table when not holding prisoners. Great Moblin was working alone in both Oracle games, either making travelers pay to pass by his fortress, or trying to monopolize the bomb making business. At several points, Great Moblin's followers could be dealt with peacefully. When Great Moblin and his forces encounter Zelda, all they want is her jewelry. Additionally after being defeated, Great Moblin moves into the Holodrum city of Sunken City where he laments having to open a regular bomb selling business. They're clearly sentient beings with their own agenda rather then mindless creations of Canon. Ganon.
** I would agree with you in terms of most of that...except for ''Link's Awakening''. Clearly, it cannot be argued whether the Moblins would be considered "normal wildlife" or "demons in league with an ancient villain" - everything on Koholint is dictated by the slumber of the Wind Fish. There clearly isn't any way of deciding what's normal and what's not. (Remember, the island has an entire village inhabited by animals, which obviously doesn't maintain any semblance of reality.)
16th Apr '17 5:00:01 PM Monsund
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** The whole point of the dream in Link's Awakening was it was just like a real world, so it doesn't invalidate anything. Big Blins look exactly like Club Moblins from OOT, regardless we see [[FanNickName blins]] they're working independently as pirates in both games, in Spirit Tracks we even see them relaxing at a table when not holding prisoners. Great Moblin was working alone in both Oracle games, either making travelers pay to pass by his fortress, or trying to monopolize the bomb making business. At several points, Great Moblin's followers could be dealt with peacefully. When Great Moblin and his forces encounters Zelda, all they want is her jewelry. Additionally after being defeated, Great Moblin moves into the Holodrum city of Sunken City where he laments having to open a regular bomb selling business. They're clearly sentient beings with their own agenda rather then mindless creations of Canon.

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** The whole point of the dream in Link's Awakening was it was just like a real world, so it doesn't invalidate anything. Big Blins look exactly like Club Moblins from OOT, regardless we see [[FanNickName blins]] they're working independently as pirates in both games, in Spirit Tracks we even see them relaxing at a table when not holding prisoners. Great Moblin was working alone in both Oracle games, either making travelers pay to pass by his fortress, or trying to monopolize the bomb making business. At several points, Great Moblin's followers could be dealt with peacefully. When Great Moblin and his forces encounters encounter Zelda, all they want is her jewelry. Additionally after being defeated, Great Moblin moves into the Holodrum city of Sunken City where he laments having to open a regular bomb selling business. They're clearly sentient beings with their own agenda rather then mindless creations of Canon.
16th Apr '17 3:45:51 PM Monsund
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** The whole point of the dream in Link's Awakening was it was just like a real world, so it doesn't invalidate anything. Big Blins look exactly like Club Moblins from OOT, we see there that they're working independently and have recreational time when not capturing prisoners. Great Moblin was working alone in both Oracle games, either making travelers pay to pass by his fortress, or trying to monopolize the bomb making business. At several points, Great Moblin's followers could be dealt with peacefully. Additionally after being defeated, Great Moblin moves into the Holodrum city of Sunken City where he laments having to open a regular bomb selling business. They're clearly sentient beings rather then mindless creations of Canon.

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** The whole point of the dream in Link's Awakening was it was just like a real world, so it doesn't invalidate anything. Big Blins look exactly like Club Moblins from OOT, regardless we see there that [[FanNickName blins]] they're working independently and have recreational time as pirates in both games, in Spirit Tracks we even see them relaxing at a table when not capturing holding prisoners. Great Moblin was working alone in both Oracle games, either making travelers pay to pass by his fortress, or trying to monopolize the bomb making business. At several points, Great Moblin's followers could be dealt with peacefully. When Great Moblin and his forces encounters Zelda, all they want is her jewelry. Additionally after being defeated, Great Moblin moves into the Holodrum city of Sunken City where he laments having to open a regular bomb selling business. They're clearly sentient beings with their own agenda rather then mindless creations of Canon.
16th Apr '17 3:21:36 PM Monsund
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** The whole point of the dream in Link's Awakening was it was just like a real world, so it doesn't invalidate anything. Big Blins look exactly like Club Moblins from OOT, we see there that they're working independently and have recreational time when not capturing prisoners. Great Moblin was working alone in both Oracle games, either making travelers pay to pass by his fortress, or trying to monopolize the bomb making business. At several points, Great Moblin's followers could be dealt with peacefully. Additionally after being defeated, Great Moblin moves into the Holodrum city of Sunken City where he laments having to open a regular bomb selling business. They're clearly sentient beings rather then mindless creations of Canon.
16th Apr '17 8:56:46 AM QuarrelsomeChevon
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** [[spoiler: ''Link's Awakening'' was nothing but a dream in the end]], so that kind of invalidates its argument. ''Spirit Tracks'' featured Big Blins and Miniblins, but no actual Moblins, and even then they still aren't portrayed as just everyday wildlife - more likely is they were left over from when Ganon was still alive, and eventually migrated to New Hyrule in the intervening time. The villains of both the ''Oracle'' games were working under Twinrova's orders, so this explanation could still work for them. Again, affiliated with Ganon or no, they're still not portrayed as normal, and could be offshoots from when he was still in power.
16th Apr '17 12:44:35 AM Monsund
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** Oracle of Ages/Seasons, Link's Awakening, Spirit Tracks, ETC. All of them depict blins as living independently from the BigBad, a few of them even describe them as native.
13th Apr '17 10:35:53 AM QuarrelsomeChevon
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** As for MM, though, they were pirates in that game - not much of a kid-friendly occupation, if you ask me. There may've been Gerudo elsewhere in the world who did live normal lives. OoT is a bit tougher, but you're never allowed into their fortress as a child, and by the time the future rolls around, the tribe's reputation as nothing but a band of thieves has probably been worsened due to Ganondorf's taking over Hyrule, so there probably just weren't any chances for them to reproduce during that time.






** As for MM, though, they were pirates in that game - not much of a kid-friendly occupation, if you ask me. There may've been Gerudo elsewhere in the world who did live normal lives. OoT is a bit tougher, but you're never allowed into their fortress as a child, and by the time the future rolls around, the tribe's reputation as nothing but a band of thieves has probably been worsened due to Ganondorf's taking over Hyrule, so there probably just weren't any chances for them to reproduce during that time.
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