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10th Sep '17 9:48:03 AM sugaricequeen
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** Second...how? The official timeline seems to list the two of them together, but ''Ages'' is actually given first.
4th Sep '17 6:58:32 PM Nicoaln
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[[folder: Why Seasons then Ages?]]
* Seasons to Ages closes more plot hooks (Ambi meeting her lost love and getting closure with him for one), so why is Ages the second? Ambi will never know what happened!
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16th Apr '17 10:06:20 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* ''A Link to the Past'' shows that the Triforce is capable of resurrection, so why don't Twinrova try to assemble it to resurrect Ganon? My only guess is that they're GenreSavvy enough to know that trying to assemble the Triforce usually ends badly.

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* ''A Link to the Past'' shows that the Triforce is capable of resurrection, so why don't Twinrova try to assemble it to resurrect Ganon? My only guess is that they're GenreSavvy enough to they know that trying to assemble the Triforce usually ends badly.
31st Mar '17 6:48:24 PM Luigifan
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** Seeing as the Oracle games take place in the [[TheHeroDies Decline timeline]], their deaths simply might not have happened that time around. After all, the sages that sealed away Ganon in OOT seem to be different ones than the ones in ALTTP (it's hard to believe the former all having Hylian descendants) - Link may have never even ''met'' Koume and Kotake in this timeline.

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** Seeing as the Oracle games take place in the [[TheHeroDies Decline timeline]], their deaths simply might not have happened that time around. After all, the sages that sealed away Ganon in OOT seem to be different ones than the ones in ALTTP (it's hard to believe the former all having Hylian descendants) - -- Link may have never even ''met'' Koume and Kotake in this timeline.



* Hyrule Historia marks these games as a sequel to A Link to the Past, and for the most part the games themselves suggest the same thing. However, implication suggests that the Lv. 2 sword (Noble Sword) and Lv. 3 sword (Master Sword) are one and the same, in different stages of power. It is also heavily implied of both that this is the very same Master Sword seen in many other Zelda games. So... how did it get from Hyrule to Holodrum/Labrynna?

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* Hyrule Historia marks these games as a sequel to A Link to the Past, and for the most part part, the games themselves suggest the same thing. However, implication suggests that the Lv. 2 sword (Noble Sword) and Lv. 3 sword (Master Sword) are one and the same, in different stages of power. It is also heavily implied of both that this is the very same Master Sword seen in many other Zelda games. So... how did it get from Hyrule to Holodrum/Labrynna?



* Ambi is still lovesick over someone who [[TearJerker is revealed to be dead if you link from Ages to seasons]]... so where did Ralph come from? Ralph is her descendant after all.

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* Ambi is still lovesick over someone who [[TearJerker is revealed to be dead if you link from Ages to seasons]]...Seasons]]... so where did Ralph come from? Ralph is her descendant after all.



* How Subrosia and Holodrum interact. On the one hand, the Temple of Seasons simply sinks into the ground and lands in Subrosia, implying it's simply a subterranean area underneath Holodrum. On the other hand, Cap'n ship has it's prow sticking out of the sand in the Holodrum desert and its aft sticking out of Subrosian ground, implying they're on opposing sides of a (rather thin) flat world...

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* How Subrosia and Holodrum interact. On the one hand, the Temple of Seasons simply sinks into the ground and lands in Subrosia, implying it's simply a subterranean area underneath Holodrum. On the other hand, the Cap'n ship has it's its prow sticking out of the sand in the Holodrum desert and its aft sticking out of Subrosian ground, implying they're on opposing sides of a (rather thin) flat world...



** The Temple is stated to have fallen into Subrosia by the Subrosians themselves, so it definately dropped down. For that matter, you can trigger a volcanic erruption in Subrosia that reaches up to Holodrum later on. However, Subrosia's portals don't exactly obey normal space to begin with; the portals do not line up with each other or follow any kind of linear relationship in terms of position. My guess would be that the temple literally fell into the ground due to Onox's magic, whereas the pirates crashed through an entirely unrelated portal and ended up with their ship bridging accross it. The temple is the one thing that doesn't follow the rules of the portals (step into a swirly hole in either world and pop up in the other), and was moved under different circumstances to begin with

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*** ...but then wouldn't it be upside-down?
** The Temple is stated to have fallen into Subrosia by the Subrosians themselves, so it definately dropped down. For that matter, you can trigger a volcanic erruption in Subrosia that reaches up to Holodrum later on. However, Subrosia's portals don't exactly obey normal space to begin with; the portals do not line up with each other or follow any kind of linear relationship in terms of position. My guess would be that the temple literally fell into the ground due to Onox's magic, whereas the pirates crashed through an entirely unrelated portal and ended up with their ship bridging accross across it. The temple is the one thing that doesn't follow the rules of the portals (step into a swirly hole in either world and pop up in the other), and was moved under different circumstances to begin withwith.



** I assume ''Ages'' works on [[SanDimasTime parallel time.]] Assuming the tower was never finished during Ambi's lifetime before Veran showed up and it was meant as a way to signal her lover, then the BadFuture will not happen until the tower has been completed and Veran has accomplished her "Age of Shadow".

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** I assume ''Ages'' works on [[SanDimasTime parallel time.]] time]]. Assuming the tower was never finished during Ambi's lifetime before Veran showed up and it was meant as a way to signal her lover, then the BadFuture will not happen until the tower has been completed and Veran has accomplished her "Age of Shadow".



** Then it could be proportional to how big the change is. The Maku Tree and the kid being turned to stone (While I think that's magic instead of time shenanigans, I'll go with it here) is relatively minor and quick to change. The tower being built into Black Tower for darkness to consume the land? In the original timeline, Ambi never even got to finish the tower in her lifespan and it's originally meant for finding her beloved. Such a grand change in the timeline would probably take some time to happen.\\

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** Then it could be proportional to how big the change is. The Maku Tree and the kid being turned to stone (While (while I think that's magic instead of time shenanigans, I'll go with it here) is relatively minor and quick to change. The tower being built into Black Tower for darkness to consume the land? In the original timeline, Ambi never even got to finish the tower in her lifespan and it's originally meant for finding her beloved. Such a grand change in the timeline would probably take some time to happen.\\



Alternatively, changes like the Maku Tree getting RetGone happen because that's how things will play out until someone is able to change it's course, aka Link. The Black Tower is something that is left undetermined until it succeeds given it's massive change in course. That being said, maybe the fact that it hasn't changed is saying Link has already won...

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Alternatively, changes like the Maku Tree getting RetGone happen because that's how things will play out until someone is able to change it's its course, aka Link. The Black Tower is something that is left undetermined until it succeeds given it's its massive change in course. That being said, maybe the fact that it hasn't changed is saying [[StableTimeLoop Link has already won...
won]]...



** Leaving her in the past at least ensures that the heroes know where she is and that she won't be able to go anywhere else without Nayru in the same time period. Bringing her back to the present runs the risk of her possessing Nayru again and using her power to travel through a different point in Labrynna's history, where Link and Ralph won't know where she is.

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** Leaving her in the past at least ensures that the heroes know where she is and that she won't be able to go anywhere else without Nayru in the same time period. Bringing her back to the present runs the risk of her possessing Nayru again and using her power to travel through to a different point in Labrynna's history, where Link and Ralph won't know where she is.



** Ralph travels to the past at the beginning of the game through the first portal opened by Veran, the same one Link travels through before he's received the Harp of Ages. While Link eventually returns to the future and receives the Harp of Ages to travel through time, Ralph never does and simply remains in the past. If you pay attention you never see Ralph in the future until the ending when presumably Nayru returned him to his own time.
** Ralph stays in the past until the sixth dungeon is completed (Nayru brings him to the Present along with herself and Link after Veran possesses Ambi). After that point, he can presumably travel between the ages freely as Nayru is with him.

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** Ralph travels to the past at the beginning of the game through the first portal opened by Veran, the same one Link travels through before he's received the Harp of Ages. While Link eventually returns to the future and receives the Harp of Ages to travel through time, Ralph never does and simply remains in the past. If you pay attention attention, you never see Ralph in the future until the ending when presumably Nayru returned him to his own time.
** Ralph stays in the past until the sixth dungeon is completed (Nayru brings him to the Present along with herself and Link after Veran possesses Ambi). After that point, he can presumably travel between the ages freely freely, as Nayru is with him.



* Just how old is Link supposed to be? According to WordOfGod this is after he's already had one adventure, and he looks to be adult height in cutscenes, but everyone refers to him as "boy" or "kid", even characters who presumably aren't using it as a diminutive or insult.

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* Just how old is Link supposed to be? According to WordOfGod WordOfGod, this is after he's already had one adventure, and he looks to be adult height in cutscenes, but everyone refers to him as "boy" or "kid", even characters who presumably aren't using it as a diminutive or insult.



** The same way everyone else does? Hyrule Castle isn't invincible (quite the opposite, if anything). If Agahnim could infiltrate it I doubt that would be outside their capabilities. I suppose you could FanWank something about Hyrule Castle being on high(er) alert after the whole Agahnim business, but it still seems odd that they never even considered it when almost every other Zelda villain has.

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** The same way everyone else does? Hyrule Castle isn't invincible (quite the opposite, if anything). If Agahnim could infiltrate it it, I doubt that would be outside their capabilities. I suppose you could FanWank something about Hyrule Castle being on high(er) alert after the whole Agahnim business, but it still seems odd that they never even considered it when almost every other Zelda villain has.



* Forgive me if I've missed something - I've only just started the game - but Veran's plan in ''Oracle of Ages'' seems a bit confusing to me. She possesses Nayru and travels back through time, where she manages to hijack a heartbroken queen, convincing her to use an endless day to...build a tower, which somehow will cause enough sorrow and despair to bring Veran's goal to fruition? Not only does that not make much sense (to me), but why does Veran bother with something so specific in the first place?
** Veran created an endless day, making the workers work non-stop. They day itself never ended but people still felt the flow of time (hence why the post man knew he had to make deliveries). People were upset at their loved ones being away so long (and in some cases being dragged away) to work on the tower. It changed from the symbol of a heartbroken queen's hope for her lover into a tyrant's symbol of oppression and forced labor.

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* Forgive me if I've missed something - -- I've only just started the game - -- but Veran's plan in ''Oracle of Ages'' seems a bit confusing to me. She possesses Nayru and travels back through time, where she manages to hijack a heartbroken queen, convincing her to use an endless day to...build a tower, which somehow will cause enough sorrow and despair to bring Veran's goal to fruition? Not only does that not make much sense (to me), but why does Veran bother with something so specific in the first place?
** Veran created an endless day, making the workers work non-stop. They The day itself never ended but people still felt the flow of time (hence why the post man knew he had to make deliveries). People were upset at their loved ones being away so long (and in some cases being dragged away) to work on the tower. It changed from the symbol of a heartbroken queen's hope for her lover into a tyrant's symbol of oppression and forced labor.



* So Impa was sent by Zelda to collect the two Oracles and bring them to Hyrule, where they'd be safe from danger. But the Triforce is inside Hyrule Castle as of both games' beginnings - why not just use it to ''wish'' them there and save Impa and Link all the trouble?

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* So Impa was sent by Zelda to collect the two Oracles and bring them to Hyrule, where they'd be safe from danger. But the Triforce is inside Hyrule Castle as of both games' beginnings - -- why not just use it to ''wish'' them there and save Impa and Link all the trouble?
23rd Mar '17 6:45:42 AM LaTriezieme
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** Mystery Seeds don't prevent that on their own. The posessed body sleeps and Veran's shadow form is briefly manifested, but she counts as being "inside" them for the sake of being hit. You can't damage her without first using the Switch Hook, which likely can't be easily duplicated or replaced.


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** The implication seems to be some of the echo portals were opened up by accident, letting things get displaced.


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** The Triforce seems to be actively manipulating events, such as sending Link to the Oracles itself. It might simply not have accepted wishes. Also, since it is never used to imediately solve all problems instantly when it's assembled, it is likely that there is an unknown rule to what wishes it can grant and when.
23rd Mar '17 5:19:49 AM LaTriezieme
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** The Temple is stated to have fallen into Subrosia by the Subrosians themselves, so it definately dropped down. For that matter, you can trigger a volcanic erruption in Subrosia that reaches up to Holodrum later on. However, Subrosia's portals don't exactly obey normal space to begin with; the portals do not line up with each other or follow any kind of linear relationship in terms of position. My guess would be that the temple literally fell into the ground due to Onox's magic, whereas the pirates crashed through an entirely unrelated portal and ended up with their ship bridging accross it. The temple is the one thing that doesn't follow the rules of the portals (step into a swirly hole in either world and pop up in the other), and was moved under different circumstances to begin with
1st Nov '16 8:36:39 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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[[folder: Impa]]
* What exactly is up in terms of Impa's design and character? In every game that came before and since these two, she's either a wise old woman who imparts her knowledge to Link or Princess Zelda's younger, more proactive protector. Yet in both of the ''Oracle'' titles, she appears as a middle-aged woman with a very...unconventional body type, who doesn't seem to actually do anything beyond introducing Link to the quest he has to go on and then leaving it to him to fulfill it. Was there really such a need to include her when that's all she ended up doing?
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17th Oct '16 11:21:14 AM QuarrelsomeChevon
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** Keeping an heir hidden wouldn't work, since then, there'd be no issue of Ralph disappearing if he tried to kill Ambi.
4th Sep '16 8:22:36 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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** Leaving her in the past at least ensures that the heroes know where she is and that she won't be able to go anywhere else without Nayru in the same time period. Bringing her back to the present runs the risk of her possessing Nayru again and using her power to travel through a different point in Labrynna's history, where Link and Ralph won't know where she is.
3rd Sep '16 3:02:14 PM Xlsfd
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** Ralph stays in the past until the sixth dungeon is completed (Nayru brings him to the Present along with herself and Link after Veran possesses Ambi). After that point, he can presumably travel between the ages freely as Nayru is with him.
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