History Headscratchers / TheKillingJoke

9th May '17 1:40:21 AM Golondrina
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* I know I am being incredibly dense right now, but the joke that the joker tells at the end, who is supposed to represent batman and who is supposed to represent the joker?

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* I know I am being incredibly dense right now, but the joke that the joker tells at the end, who is supposed to represent batman Batman and who is supposed to represent the joker?



** It's because Batman pities the Joker and thinks he genuinely needs help. That's all. He doesn't (completely) blame the Joker for what he has done here, because he doesn't believe that the Joker is in complete control of his actions, or at least not of the mania that leads him to such actions. He rejects the idea that it all it took was "One Bad Day" to make the Joker like this, but that only means even the Joker failed to realize just how ill he was all this time. That's ''this'' version of the Joker mind- other ones (eg. the MarkHamill Joker), as well as the original Golden Age Joker, are just evil sadists who kill for their own amusement and commit violent crimes for attention and their own ego.

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** It's because Batman pities the Joker and thinks he genuinely needs help. That's all. He doesn't (completely) blame the Joker for what he has done here, because he doesn't believe that the Joker is in complete control of his actions, or at least not of the mania that leads him to such actions. He rejects the idea that it all it took was "One Bad Day" to make the Joker like this, but that only means even the Joker failed to realize just how ill he was all this time. That's ''this'' version of the Joker mind- other ones (eg. the MarkHamill Creator/MarkHamill Joker), as well as the original Golden Age Joker, are just evil sadists who kill for their own amusement and commit violent crimes for attention and their own ego.
22nd Mar '17 11:26:09 AM Thecommander236
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* So I guess SupermanStaysOutOfGotham covers why Batman's not calling every superhero he knows to track down the Joker, but why does the World's Greatest Detective need a literal invitation before he checks the local AmusementParkOfDoom, again?

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* So I guess SupermanStaysOutOfGotham covers why Batman's not calling every superhero he knows to track down the Joker, but why does the World's Greatest Detective need a literal invitation before he checks the local AmusementParkOfDoom, again?again?
** Because it's an amusement park. It was just a normal place for people to have fun before Joker made it a place of evil. Not all amusement parks are controlled by madmen.
13th Jan '17 1:56:21 PM Rubber_Lotus
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* So I guess SupermanStaysOutOfGotham covers why Batman's not calling every superhero he knows to track down the Joker, but why does the World's Greatest Detective need a literal invitation to check out the local AmusementParkOfDoom, again?

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* So I guess SupermanStaysOutOfGotham covers why Batman's not calling every superhero he knows to track down the Joker, but why does the World's Greatest Detective need a literal invitation to check out before he checks the local AmusementParkOfDoom, again?
13th Jan '17 1:55:27 PM Rubber_Lotus
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* The ending is meant to be ambiguous. Maybe the Batman broke Joker's neck - or maybe he didn't. The reader has no sure way of knowing.

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* The ending is meant to be ambiguous. Maybe the Batman broke Joker's neck - or maybe he didn't. The reader has no sure way of knowing.knowing.
* So I guess SupermanStaysOutOfGotham covers why Batman's not calling every superhero he knows to track down the Joker, but why does the World's Greatest Detective need a literal invitation to check out the local AmusementParkOfDoom, again?
24th Dec '16 10:48:31 AM Tightwire
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*** No, it isn't. The script for the scene says nothing about him breaking his neck, and there's no indication this happens. [[http://www.unleashthefanboy.com/comics/batman-doesnt-kill-joker-in-the-killing-jok/68199 Seriously]]. [[http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/08/17/the-killing-joke-script-proves-batman-didnt-kill-the-joker/ It just plain is not true]]. So please stop using it as an answer, because it's missing the point of the whole story.

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*** No, it isn't. The script for the scene says nothing about him breaking his neck, and there's no indication this happens. [[http://www.unleashthefanboy.com/comics/batman-doesnt-kill-joker-in-the-killing-jok/68199 Seriously]]. [[http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/08/17/the-killing-joke-script-proves-batman-didnt-kill-the-joker/ It just plain is not true]]. So please stop using it as an answer, because it's missing the point of the whole story.story.
* The ending is meant to be ambiguous. Maybe the Batman broke Joker's neck - or maybe he didn't. The reader has no sure way of knowing.
30th Nov '16 8:08:31 AM Mr.Phorcys
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*** Or the Joker knows he's insane, and knows that Batman's offer of help simply will not work for him -- the beam is a path he simply cannot take, and even if he accepted and miraculously managed to get on, he would be afraid that they would give up on him halfway and he would plummet down.
19th Aug '16 10:30:53 PM Shaoken
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*** It's important to note that Gordon isn't just any man, he's a police commissioner and one of the few members of Gotham PD who has always kept their integrity and upheld the law. Throwing away all of his principles for something as petty as revenge doesn't make him a "real man," if him sticking to the principles that both him and his daughter dedicated their lives to makes you lose respect for him then I question your priorities.
3rd Jun '16 6:08:22 PM Shadowwing09
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*** By not crossing that line, by not descending to that level, Gordon denied Joker the satisfaction of knowing he got to him. Joker humiliated the man, tortured his daughter, and STILL LOST because Gordon didn't do what Joker wanted him to do. Everything Joker did? It was for nothing, because it DIDN'T WORK. Joker was trying to justify his mania, and it failed. Like Batman said, it wasn't a bad day, it was all on the Joker. Had Gordon abandoned his stance and had Joker beaten, it would have been TotallyWorthIt for Joker because the maniac would have the satisfaction of winning, of getting what he wanted. That did for more damage than any physical beating could have done.
16th Nov '15 8:11:05 AM MrDeath
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*** No, it isn't. The script for the scene says nothing about him breaking his neck, and there's no indication this happens. [[http://www.unleashthefanboy.com/comics/batman-doesnt-kill-joker-in-the-killing-jok/68199 Seriously]]. [[http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/08/17/the-killing-joke-script-proves-batman-didnt-kill-the-joker/ It just plain is not true]]. So please stop using it as an answer.

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*** No, it isn't. The script for the scene says nothing about him breaking his neck, and there's no indication this happens. [[http://www.unleashthefanboy.com/comics/batman-doesnt-kill-joker-in-the-killing-jok/68199 Seriously]]. [[http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/08/17/the-killing-joke-script-proves-batman-didnt-kill-the-joker/ It just plain is not true]]. So please stop using it as an answer.answer, because it's missing the point of the whole story.
16th Nov '15 8:10:23 AM MrDeath
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*** Going further with this: it is implied in the final panels that Batman joins in on the laughter at first, only to grab The Joker and break his neck (off-screen). This is why the laughter ends abruptly. It is arguable that Batman is also insane as The Joker has already suggested, but just in a different way: Bruce Wayne's "one bad day" was the day he was orphaned, which shaped his personality forever more. So, The Joker's final joke, added to the fact that during his spree he has crippled Barbara and violated Gordon (it could be interpreted that Gordon met with some sexual violence at the hands of Joker's crones), and his own deep-seated emotional problems, was enough to finally tip Batman over the edge and kill him once and for all. That the story was originally intended to be non-canon this is a fairly plausible ending.

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*** Going further with this: it is implied in the final panels that Batman joins in on the laughter at first, only to grab The Joker and break his neck (off-screen). This is why the laughter ends abruptly. It is arguable that Batman is also insane as The Joker has already suggested, but just in a different way: Bruce Wayne's "one bad day" was the day he was orphaned, which shaped his personality forever more. So, The Joker's final joke, added to the fact that during his spree he has crippled Barbara and violated Gordon (it could be interpreted that Gordon met with some sexual violence at the hands of Joker's crones), and his own deep-seated emotional problems, was enough to finally tip Batman over the edge and kill him once and for all. That the story was originally intended to be non-canon this is a fairly plausible ending.ending.
*** No, it isn't. The script for the scene says nothing about him breaking his neck, and there's no indication this happens. [[http://www.unleashthefanboy.com/comics/batman-doesnt-kill-joker-in-the-killing-jok/68199 Seriously]]. [[http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/08/17/the-killing-joke-script-proves-batman-didnt-kill-the-joker/ It just plain is not true]]. So please stop using it as an answer.
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