History Headscratchers / TheKillingJoke

16th Nov '15 8:11:05 AM MrDeath
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*** No, it isn't. The script for the scene says nothing about him breaking his neck, and there's no indication this happens. [[http://www.unleashthefanboy.com/comics/batman-doesnt-kill-joker-in-the-killing-jok/68199 Seriously]]. [[http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/08/17/the-killing-joke-script-proves-batman-didnt-kill-the-joker/ It just plain is not true]]. So please stop using it as an answer.
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*** No, it isn't. The script for the scene says nothing about him breaking his neck, and there's no indication this happens. [[http://www.unleashthefanboy.com/comics/batman-doesnt-kill-joker-in-the-killing-jok/68199 Seriously]]. [[http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/08/17/the-killing-joke-script-proves-batman-didnt-kill-the-joker/ It just plain is not true]]. So please stop using it as an answer.answer, because it's missing the point of the whole story.
16th Nov '15 8:10:23 AM MrDeath
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*** Going further with this: it is implied in the final panels that Batman joins in on the laughter at first, only to grab The Joker and break his neck (off-screen). This is why the laughter ends abruptly. It is arguable that Batman is also insane as The Joker has already suggested, but just in a different way: Bruce Wayne's "one bad day" was the day he was orphaned, which shaped his personality forever more. So, The Joker's final joke, added to the fact that during his spree he has crippled Barbara and violated Gordon (it could be interpreted that Gordon met with some sexual violence at the hands of Joker's crones), and his own deep-seated emotional problems, was enough to finally tip Batman over the edge and kill him once and for all. That the story was originally intended to be non-canon this is a fairly plausible ending.
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*** Going further with this: it is implied in the final panels that Batman joins in on the laughter at first, only to grab The Joker and break his neck (off-screen). This is why the laughter ends abruptly. It is arguable that Batman is also insane as The Joker has already suggested, but just in a different way: Bruce Wayne's "one bad day" was the day he was orphaned, which shaped his personality forever more. So, The Joker's final joke, added to the fact that during his spree he has crippled Barbara and violated Gordon (it could be interpreted that Gordon met with some sexual violence at the hands of Joker's crones), and his own deep-seated emotional problems, was enough to finally tip Batman over the edge and kill him once and for all. That the story was originally intended to be non-canon this is a fairly plausible ending.ending. *** No, it isn't. The script for the scene says nothing about him breaking his neck, and there's no indication this happens. [[http://www.unleashthefanboy.com/comics/batman-doesnt-kill-joker-in-the-killing-jok/68199 Seriously]]. [[http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/08/17/the-killing-joke-script-proves-batman-didnt-kill-the-joker/ It just plain is not true]]. So please stop using it as an answer.
16th Nov '15 6:45:25 AM sickeningjar
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** And what the hell would that accomplish? The Joker is a cruel, sadistic bastard, but he is ''insane''. Maybe the best thing for everyone is if The Joker was put down, but that is up to the system to decide, and abusing a prisoner who's already defeated is not doing things "by the book".
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** And what the hell would that accomplish? The Joker is a cruel, sadistic bastard, but he is ''insane''. Maybe the best thing for everyone is if The Joker was put down, but that is up to the system to decide, and abusing a prisoner who's already defeated is not doing things "by the book".book". *** Going further with this: it is implied in the final panels that Batman joins in on the laughter at first, only to grab The Joker and break his neck (off-screen). This is why the laughter ends abruptly. It is arguable that Batman is also insane as The Joker has already suggested, but just in a different way: Bruce Wayne's "one bad day" was the day he was orphaned, which shaped his personality forever more. So, The Joker's final joke, added to the fact that during his spree he has crippled Barbara and violated Gordon (it could be interpreted that Gordon met with some sexual violence at the hands of Joker's crones), and his own deep-seated emotional problems, was enough to finally tip Batman over the edge and kill him once and for all. That the story was originally intended to be non-canon this is a fairly plausible ending.
4th Nov '15 8:48:54 AM MrDeath
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Not true. He didn't write the thing, and the script says otherwise.
** And what the hell would that accomplish? The Joker is a cruel, sadistic bastard, but he is ''insane''. Maybe the best thing for everyone is if The Joker was put down, but that is up to the system to decide, and abusing a prisoner who's already defeated is not doing things "by the book". ** Batman outright killed the Joker, confirmed by Grant Morrison. When he grabbed The Joker by the throat, he decided to break his neck.So yeah, he didn't lust 'Have a laugh and let him slide', he simply decided to let the Joker go out laughing.
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** And what the hell would that accomplish? The Joker is a cruel, sadistic bastard, but he is ''insane''. Maybe the best thing for everyone is if The Joker was put down, but that is up to the system to decide, and abusing a prisoner who's already defeated is not doing things "by the book". ** Batman outright killed the Joker, confirmed by Grant Morrison. When he grabbed The Joker by the throat, he decided to break his neck.So yeah, he didn't lust 'Have a laugh and let him slide', he simply decided to let the Joker go out laughing.book".
4th Nov '15 7:10:57 AM Dephlogisticate
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** And what the hell would that accomplish? The Joker is a cruel, sadistic bastard, but he is ''insane''. Maybe the best thing for everyone is if The Joker was put down, but that is up to the system to decide, and abusing a prisoner who's already defeated is not doing things "by the book".
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** And what the hell would that accomplish? The Joker is a cruel, sadistic bastard, but he is ''insane''. Maybe the best thing for everyone is if The Joker was put down, but that is up to the system to decide, and abusing a prisoner who's already defeated is not doing things "by the book".book". ** Batman outright killed the Joker, confirmed by Grant Morrison. When he grabbed The Joker by the throat, he decided to break his neck.So yeah, he didn't lust 'Have a laugh and let him slide', he simply decided to let the Joker go out laughing.
29th Oct '15 7:35:29 AM MrDeath
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And that theory is wrong, because it didn't happen.
** And what the hell would that accomplish? The Joker is a cruel, sadistic bastard, but he is ''insane''. Maybe the best thing for everyone is if The Joker was put down, but that is up to the system to decide, and abusing a prisoner who's already defeated is not doing things "by the book". ** One theory has it that the laughter suddenly stopped because Batman snapped his neck.
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** And what the hell would that accomplish? The Joker is a cruel, sadistic bastard, but he is ''insane''. Maybe the best thing for everyone is if The Joker was put down, but that is up to the system to decide, and abusing a prisoner who's already defeated is not doing things "by the book". ** One theory has it that the laughter suddenly stopped because Batman snapped his neck.book".
28th Oct '15 11:20:09 PM ShorinBJ
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** Its because Batman pities the Joker and thinks he genuinelly needs help. Thats all. He dosen't (completely) blame the Joker for what he has done here, because he dosen't beleive that the Joker is in complete control of his actions, or at least not of the mania that leads him to such actions. He rejects the idea that it all it took was "One Bad Day" ro make the Joker like this, but that only means even the Joker failed to realize just how ill he was all this time. Thats ''this'' version of the Joker mind- other ones (eg. the MarkHamill Joker), as well as the original Golden Age Joker, are just evil sadists who kill for their own amusement and commit violent crimes for attention and their own ego.
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** Its It's because Batman pities the Joker and thinks he genuinelly genuinely needs help. Thats That's all. He dosen't doesn't (completely) blame the Joker for what he has done here, because he dosen't beleive doesn't believe that the Joker is in complete control of his actions, or at least not of the mania that leads him to such actions. He rejects the idea that it all it took was "One Bad Day" ro to make the Joker like this, but that only means even the Joker failed to realize just how ill he was all this time. Thats That's ''this'' version of the Joker mind- other ones (eg. the MarkHamill Joker), as well as the original Golden Age Joker, are just evil sadists who kill for their own amusement and commit violent crimes for attention and their own ego.

** And what the hell would that accomplish? The Joker is a cruel, sadistic bastard, but he is ''insane''. Maybe the best thing for everyone is if The Joker was put down, but that is up to the system to decide, and abusing a prisoner who's already defeated is not doing things "by the book".
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** And what the hell would that accomplish? The Joker is a cruel, sadistic bastard, but he is ''insane''. Maybe the best thing for everyone is if The Joker was put down, but that is up to the system to decide, and abusing a prisoner who's already defeated is not doing things "by the book".book". ** One theory has it that the laughter suddenly stopped because Batman snapped his neck.
21st Mar '15 9:47:38 AM Doc_Loki
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*** It's an Alan Moore story: there's far more likely to be a symbolic meaning than not.

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*** Bats doesn't let him slide. Look at the last page again - you can see the lights of an approaching cop car. The Joker is going back to Arkham, "by the book". As for failing to 'beat the clown bloody': maybe Bats would have done that in the heat of combat, but the Joker has pretty clearly surrendered at this point, and Batman won't cross that line.
15th Jun '14 5:45:27 PM SilentStranger
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** It's because Batman recognizes the sad truth in the joke. It's frequently pointed out in all sorts of media that Batman and the Joker are really just mirrors of each other. Both are a little nuts thanks to one bad day in their pasts. They just took opposite approaches to deal with their respective tragedies. For all his righteousness, when it comes down to it, Batman is just as crazy as anyone else in Arkham. More so than a few, even.
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** It's because Batman recognizes the sad truth in the joke. It's frequently pointed out in all sorts of media that Batman and the Joker are really just mirrors of each other. Both are a little nuts thanks to one bad day in their pasts. They just took opposite approaches to deal with their respective tragedies. For all his righteousness, when it comes down to it, Batman is just as crazy as anyone else in Arkham. More so than a few, even.even. ** And what the hell would that accomplish? The Joker is a cruel, sadistic bastard, but he is ''insane''. Maybe the best thing for everyone is if The Joker was put down, but that is up to the system to decide, and abusing a prisoner who's already defeated is not doing things "by the book".
16th Feb '14 1:24:53 PM genghiskwan
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** Consider what just happened up to the joke: Batman has cornered the Joker, but rather than beat him up again, he makes a very earnest plea for the Joker to let Batman rehabilitate him. The Joker turns it down, because like the 2nd insane man escaping the asylum, he thinks Batman is going to trick him. Joker's 'bad day' (insanity) has been so bad that he no longer believes anything 'good' can happen to him anymore. Why does Batman start laughing? Because he sees the deeper meaning behind the joke. The two of them are insane, their whole relationship is insanity, and it's inevitable that the end result is Joker physically dying and Batman metaphorically dying by breaking his one rule (hence the joke that killed them both).
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