History Headscratchers / TheKarateKid

5th Sep '17 7:54:30 AM CharlesPhipps
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** Daniel actually won because of two reasons: 1. The fact all the house work bulked him up a bit as taught him technique. 2. The Cobra Kai Dojo's dishonorable tactics disqualified their second best guy and locked their best guy in a tactic that made him vulnerable to the Crane Kick. Had the Cobra Kai dojo fought fairly, Daniel probably wouldn't have made it past the semi-finals (he might have beaten Bobby or he might not have but Lawrence would have won without the Crane Kick "trick") but wouldn't have had the problems he had in the first place.

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** Daniel actually won because of two three reasons: 1. The fact all the house work bulked him up a bit as taught him technique. 2. The Cobra Kai Dojo's dishonorable tactics disqualified their second best guy and locked their best guy in a tactic that made him vulnerable to the Crane Kick. Had 3. Kreese over-focused on raw brutality versus technique, which isn't very good for a tournament or a disciplined martial artist in general. Daniel may have only started his training but Miyagi got him practicing every move with great repetition. Even so, had the Cobra Kai dojo fought fairly, Daniel probably wouldn't have made it past the semi-finals (he might have beaten Bobby or he might not have but Lawrence would have won without the Crane Kick "trick") but wouldn't have had the problems he had in the first place.
5th Sep '17 7:51:30 AM CharlesPhipps
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*** For the first question, he kicked Johnny in the chest with the crane kick, Johnny only grabbed his face because he landed head first on the mat. As for the second one, Miyagi had faith that Daniel wouldn't try anything crippling or illegal because of his own good nature.

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*** For the first question, he kicked Johnny in the chest with the crane kick, Johnny only grabbed his face because he landed head first on the mat. As for the second one, Miyagi had faith that Daniel wouldn't try anything crippling or illegal because of his own good nature.


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** Miyagi also probably had faith that Daniel wouldn't try anything crippling or illegal because of his own good nature.
5th Sep '17 7:50:13 AM CharlesPhipps
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* In the original (and I may be remembering this incorrectly), wasn't it against the rules to kick someone in the face? If so, how did Daniel win by kicking Johnny in the face?
** He actually glanced off his chest and connected solidly with his chin. The chest contact, however brief, would get the point. It also is perfectly possible that the referee was impressed enough with Daniel's effort, he gave him the benefit of the doubt and awarded him the point.
*** If i remember correctly, it never say anything about contact to the face with the feet, it seemed the contact (full contact one, not accidental one) of fist to face what was illegal (as is common in most traditional karate styles tournament)
*** This is correct. Remember that Dutch scored a point on Daniel with a kick to the face during their match.
5th Sep '17 7:48:02 AM CharlesPhipps
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*** I suspect Mister Miyagi isn't so much bad at speaking English as is a man of few words. He doesn't speak English like a native because he doesn't care to so he keeps his sentences short and to the point.

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*** I suspect Mister Miyagi isn't so much bad at speaking English as is a man of few words. He doesn't speak English like a native because he doesn't care to so he to. He keeps his sentences short and to the point.
5th Sep '17 7:47:22 AM CharlesPhipps
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** For that matter, if Miyagi only knew about karate techniques that were applicable to life-and-death combat, and knew nothing about competition rules, why didn't Daniel foul out of the tournament early on? Miyagi's father would presumably have taught him the sort of potentially-crippling moves that would disqualify someone from an athletic event, not the safe ones of sport karate.
** For the first question, he kicked Johnny in the chest with the crane kick, Johnny only grabbed his face because he landed head first on the mat. As for the second one, Miyagi had faith that Daniel wouldn't try anything crippling or illegal because of his own good nature.



*** For the first question, he kicked Johnny in the chest with the crane kick, Johnny only grabbed his face because he landed head first on the mat. As for the second one, Miyagi had faith that Daniel wouldn't try anything crippling or illegal because of his own good nature.
* If Miyagi only knew about karate techniques that were applicable to life-and-death combat, and knew nothing about competition rules, why didn't Daniel foul out of the tournament early on? Miyagi's father would presumably have taught him the sort of potentially-crippling moves that would disqualify someone from an athletic event, not the safe ones of sport karate.
** Mister Miyagi wasn't teaching Daniel how to be a killer or at least at that stage of their training. He was teaching Daniel how to defend himself and also strengthen his mind as well as well. The big difference between Mister Miyagi and Kreese is the former has a great deal of discipline as well as lethality while the latter has no discipline (which actually makes him less lethal).



* What became of Kreese after the third movie?

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* What became of ** Teenagers say stupid stuff but in Daniel's case, it was more the fact he wanted to know why Mister Miyagi showed mercy when Kreese after the third movie?was constantly showing it to be a philosophy he rejected.



*** I suspect Mister Miyagi isn't so much bad at speaking English as is a man of few words. He doesn't speak English like a native because he doesn't care to so he keeps his sentences short and to the point.



** Isn't that the fight where Johnny's sensei tells him to extend the match (and thus Daniel's suffering) by fouling to lose the point he earns, over and over?
*** No, that's in 3 against Mike Barnes.

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** Isn't that the fight where Johnny's sensei tells him to extend the match (and thus Daniel's suffering) by fouling to lose the point he earns, over and over?
*** No, that's in 3 against Mike Barnes.




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* What became of Kreese after the third movie?
** Hopefully he realized his friend was every bit as much of a psycho he had been and took a good look at his life. He seemed on the verge of that before it became an IgnoredEpiphany.
5th Sep '17 7:37:05 AM CharlesPhipps
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* In regards to the remake, who moves to [[PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny China]] to get a better life?
** Well, with China becoming the rising dragon of economic prosperity, perhaps there is good hopes for a new life. On another in movie note, several outside source materials depict this as a job transfer, so with their livelihood at stake, they had to move in order to keep and perhaps further develop their "better life".
*** China's economic power is a bubble caused by them intentionally inflating their currency to near-worthless levels in order to keep their populace poor and oppressed. Living conditions in China are sharply contrasted with that of the United States.
*** While China's economic power is indeed a bubble, its not messing with its currency to hurt its own people. Its messing with its currency to give itself an advantage economically, especially where investing and exports are concerned. Which is part of why its economic power is a bit of a bubble.
*** They were moving away from [[CrapsackWorld Detroit]]. Even UsefulNotes/{{Cleveland}} has joked their motto is "It could be worse, at least we're not Detroit."
*** Makes even more sense thanks to some recent RealLifeSubtext with Detroit...
** Also, they didn't move to China for a better life. Dre says that his mother got transferred to China for her job.
** Actually if you're a foreigner who moves to China as part of a company deal, you can have an ''amazing'' life. The same amount of money that will keep you in a somewhat comfortable middle class lifestyle in America can make you modestly wealthy in China. Living in China mostly only sucks for common Chinese people.
** It's clear that OP has never traveled to China. In the major metropolitan cities, like Beijing where Dre and his mom moved to, life is relatively comfortable for most educated, middle class people ever since the government embarked on its economic reforms in the 1980s. Furthermore, not all of China's social and economic problems are caused by governmental policies, but are rather problems faced by developing countries as a whole. Statements proclaiming that China's issues with poverty are a conspiracy by Chinese government deliberately keeps the populace poor and oppressed are absolutely xenophobic nonsense and not based on any economic reality.

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!! The Karate Kid

* In regards Kreese assaults Johnny by catching him in what is essentially a stranglehold, even going so far as to the remake, who moves stop his other students from trying to [[PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny China]] come to get a better life?
** Well, with China becoming the rising dragon of economic prosperity, perhaps there is good hopes for a new life. On another in movie note, several outside source materials depict this as a job transfer, so with their livelihood at stake, they had to move in order to keep
Johnny's aid, and perhaps further develop their "better life".
*** China's economic power is a bubble caused by them intentionally inflating their currency to near-worthless levels in order to keep their populace poor and oppressed. Living conditions in China are sharply contrasted with
showing no signs that of the United States.
*** While China's economic power is indeed a bubble, its
he will let Johnny go. If not messing with its currency to hurt its own people. Its messing with its currency to give itself an advantage economically, especially where investing and exports are concerned. Which is part of why its economic power is a bit of a bubble.
*** They were moving away from [[CrapsackWorld Detroit]]. Even UsefulNotes/{{Cleveland}} has joked their motto is "It could be worse, at least we're not Detroit."
*** Makes even more sense thanks to some recent RealLifeSubtext with Detroit...
** Also, they didn't move to China
for a better life. Dre says Miyagi's intervening, Johnny would have been seriously injured, or worse. How was Kreese going to explain that his mother got transferred to China for her job.
Johnny's parents?
** Actually if you're a foreigner who moves to China Losing is Kreese's BerserkButton as part of a company deal, you can we see when he seriously injures himself twice fighting Mister Miyagi. He probably should have an ''amazing'' life. The same amount of money that will keep you in a somewhat comfortable middle class lifestyle in America can make you modestly wealthy in China. Living in China mostly only sucks gone to jail for common Chinese people.
** It's clear that OP has never traveled to China. In
both assaults as he's a dangerous, unstable man who orders the major metropolitan cities, like Beijing where Dre and his mom moved to, life is relatively comfortable for most educated, middle class people ever since the government embarked on its economic reforms in the 1980s. Furthermore, not all injury of China's social and economic problems are caused by governmental policies, but are rather problems faced by developing countries as a whole. Statements proclaiming that China's issues with poverty are a conspiracy by Chinese government deliberately keeps the populace poor and oppressed are absolutely xenophobic nonsense and not based on any economic reality.teenagers.



** It takes place over the course of several ''months'', although the timeframe of the chore part specifically is unclear. It really would take only a few days, though, for him to unknowingly get so much into the habit of performing those moves that they've become utterly second nature to him, which is the entire point of the scenes.

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** *** It takes place over the course of several ''months'', although the timeframe of the chore part specifically is unclear. It really would take only a few days, though, for him to unknowingly get so much into the habit of performing those moves that they've become utterly second nature to him, which is the entire point of the scenes.



* In the tournament in the remake, when Cheng tried to attack his opponent and refused to let go of holds after winning, why didn't he get disqualified? I'm pretty sure that's against the rules of a normal kung fu tournament. Also, if Cheng was exempted from normal rules, why did his teammate get disqualified for the same thing? At least they could have been consistent and ignored what was going on flat out instead of being selective of who and who not to crack down on.
** Cheng was overly aggressive and severely tested the limits of the rules, but the argument could be made that he didn't technically break any of them. His teammate clearly and deliberately used an illegal move with an intent to cripple Dre's leg.
* In the original (and I may be remembering this incorrectly), wasn't it against the rules to kick someone in the face? If so, how did Daniel win by kicking Johnny in the face?
** He actually glanced off his chest and connected solidly with his chin. The chest contact, however brief, would get the point. It also is perfectly possible that the referee was impressed enough with Daniel's effort, he gave him the benefit of the doubt and awarded him the point.
*** If i remember correctly, it never say anything about contact to the face with the feet, it seemed the contact (full contact one, not accidental one) of fist to face what was illegal (as is common in most traditional karate styles tournament)
*** This is correct. Remember that Dutch scored a point on Daniel with a kick to the face during their match.
* In Karate Kid 3, why is Daniel so scared when he was fighting Mike Barnes? He already fought Chozen before in Karate Kid 2, A BATTLE TO THE DEATH MIND YOU, and he was scared when some big mouthed idiot was scoring points and getting illegal blows on him that wouldn't kill him?
** Terry Silver and his cronies spent a large part of the movie luring him to the dark side, then manipulated him into stepping over a line, ''hurting'' someone, such that at the time of the match, Daniel is a psychological wreck.
* In the remake, were the kids wearing ''sneakers'' in their Kung Fu Tournament? Why?
** Kung fu tournaments (and I think sanshou ones as well) are fought with footwear on.

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* In ** Daniel actually won because of two reasons: 1. The fact all the tournament in the remake, when Cheng tried to attack his opponent and refused to let go of holds after winning, why didn't he get disqualified? I'm pretty sure that's against the rules of house work bulked him up a normal kung fu tournament. Also, if Cheng was exempted from normal rules, why did his teammate get bit as taught him technique. 2. The Cobra Kai Dojo's dishonorable tactics disqualified for the same thing? At least they could have been consistent their second best guy and ignored what was going on flat out instead of being selective of who and who not to crack down on.
** Cheng was overly aggressive and severely tested the limits of the rules, but the argument could be
locked their best guy in a tactic that made that he didn't technically break any of them. His teammate clearly and deliberately used an illegal move with an intent him vulnerable to cripple Dre's leg.
* In
the original (and I may be remembering this incorrectly), wasn't it against Crane Kick. Had the rules to kick someone in the face? If so, how did Cobra Kai dojo fought fairly, Daniel win by kicking Johnny in the face?
** He actually glanced off his chest and connected solidly with his chin. The chest contact, however brief, would get the point. It also is perfectly possible that the referee was impressed enough with Daniel's effort, he gave him the benefit of the doubt and awarded him the point.
*** If i remember correctly, it never say anything about contact to the face with the feet, it seemed the contact (full contact one, not accidental one) of fist to face what was illegal (as is common in most traditional karate styles tournament)
*** This is correct. Remember that Dutch scored a point on Daniel with a kick to the face during their match.
* In Karate Kid 3, why is Daniel so scared when he was fighting Mike Barnes? He already fought Chozen before in Karate Kid 2, A BATTLE TO THE DEATH MIND YOU, and he was scared when some big mouthed idiot was scoring points and getting illegal blows on him that
probably wouldn't kill him?
** Terry Silver and his cronies spent a large part of
have made it past the movie luring him to semi-finals (he might have beaten Bobby or he might not have but Lawrence would have won without the dark side, then manipulated him into stepping over a line, ''hurting'' someone, such that at Crane Kick "trick") but wouldn't have had the time of problems he had in the match, Daniel is a psychological wreck.
* In the remake, were the kids wearing ''sneakers'' in their Kung Fu Tournament? Why?
** Kung fu tournaments (and I think sanshou ones as well) are fought with footwear on.
first place.



*** No, that's in 3 against Mike Barnes.

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*** No, that's in 3 against Mike Barnes.Barnes.

!! Karate Kid 3

* In Karate Kid 3, why is Daniel so scared when he was fighting Mike Barnes? He already fought Chozen before in Karate Kid 2, A BATTLE TO THE DEATH MIND YOU, and he was scared when some big mouthed idiot was scoring points and getting illegal blows on him that wouldn't kill him?
** Terry Silver and his cronies spent a large part of the movie luring him to the dark side, then manipulated him into stepping over a line, ''hurting'' someone, such that at the time of the match, Daniel is a psychological wreck.
** Daniel felt a lot of personal betrayal as well as confusion due to Terry's mind-games. He also felt like he'd betrayed Mister Miyagi, which he did, though his mentor forgave him.

!! The Karate Kid (2010)

* In regards to the remake, who moves to [[PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny China]] to get a better life?
** Well, with China becoming the rising dragon of economic prosperity, perhaps there is good hopes for a new life. On another in movie note, several outside source materials depict this as a job transfer, so with their livelihood at stake, they had to move in order to keep and perhaps further develop their "better life".
*** China's economic power is a bubble caused by them intentionally inflating their currency to near-worthless levels in order to keep their populace poor and oppressed. Living conditions in China are sharply contrasted with that of the United States.
*** While China's economic power is indeed a bubble, its not messing with its currency to hurt its own people. Its messing with its currency to give itself an advantage economically, especially where investing and exports are concerned. Which is part of why its economic power is a bit of a bubble.
*** They were moving away from [[CrapsackWorld Detroit]]. Even UsefulNotes/{{Cleveland}} has joked their motto is "It could be worse, at least we're not Detroit."
*** Makes even more sense thanks to some recent RealLifeSubtext with Detroit...
** Also, they didn't move to China for a better life. Dre says that his mother got transferred to China for her job.
** Actually if you're a foreigner who moves to China as part of a company deal, you can have an ''amazing'' life. The same amount of money that will keep you in a somewhat comfortable middle class lifestyle in America can make you modestly wealthy in China. Living in China mostly only sucks for common Chinese people.
** It's clear that OP has never traveled to China. In the major metropolitan cities, like Beijing where Dre and his mom moved to, life is relatively comfortable for most educated, middle class people ever since the government embarked on its economic reforms in the 1980s. Furthermore, not all of China's social and economic problems are caused by governmental policies, but are rather problems faced by developing countries as a whole. Statements proclaiming that China's issues with poverty are a conspiracy by Chinese government deliberately keeps the populace poor and oppressed are absolutely xenophobic nonsense and not based on any economic reality.
* In the tournament in the remake, when Cheng tried to attack his opponent and refused to let go of holds after winning, why didn't he get disqualified? I'm pretty sure that's against the rules of a normal kung fu tournament. Also, if Cheng was exempted from normal rules, why did his teammate get disqualified for the same thing? At least they could have been consistent and ignored what was going on flat out instead of being selective of who and who not to crack down on.
** Cheng was overly aggressive and severely tested the limits of the rules, but the argument could be made that he didn't technically break any of them. His teammate clearly and deliberately used an illegal move with an intent to cripple Dre's leg.
* In the original (and I may be remembering this incorrectly), wasn't it against the rules to kick someone in the face? If so, how did Daniel win by kicking Johnny in the face?
** He actually glanced off his chest and connected solidly with his chin. The chest contact, however brief, would get the point. It also is perfectly possible that the referee was impressed enough with Daniel's effort, he gave him the benefit of the doubt and awarded him the point.
*** If i remember correctly, it never say anything about contact to the face with the feet, it seemed the contact (full contact one, not accidental one) of fist to face what was illegal (as is common in most traditional karate styles tournament)
*** This is correct. Remember that Dutch scored a point on Daniel with a kick to the face during their match.
* In the remake, were the kids wearing ''sneakers'' in their Kung Fu Tournament? Why?
** Kung fu tournaments (and I think sanshou ones as well) are fought with footwear on.
23rd Aug '17 8:48:35 AM astrixzero
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**It's clear that OP has never traveled to China. In the major metropolitan cities, like Beijing where Dre and his mom moved to, life is relatively comfortable for most educated, middle class people ever since the government embarked on its economic reforms in the 1980s. Furthermore, not all of China's social and economic problems are caused by governmental policies, but are rather problems faced by developing countries as a whole. Statements proclaiming that China's issues with poverty are a conspiracy by Chinese government deliberately keeps the populace poor and oppressed are absolutely xenophobic nonsense and not based on any economic reality.
21st Mar '17 7:50:46 AM hackl
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** It may be a bit of a stretch to say that Mr. Miyagi "maimed" Kreese's hands in the fight. If this troper remembers correctly, Kreese maimed his own hands by punching out two car windows.
20th Mar '17 2:25:18 AM Caswin
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** Terry Silver and his cronies spent a large part of the movie luring him to the dark side, then manipulated him into stepping over a line, ''hurting'' someone, such that at the time of the match, Daniel is a psychological wreck.
10th Oct '16 6:39:55 AM alexbukher94
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* In Karate Kid 3, why is Daniel so scared when he was fighting Mike Barnes? He already fought Chozen before in Karate Kid 2, A BATTLE TO THE DEATH MIND YOU, and he was scared when some big mouthed idiot was scoring points and getting illegal blows on him that wouldn't kill him?
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