History Headscratchers / TheHuntForRedOctober

28th Jun '17 10:52:15 PM USABobcat
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* And in any case, most [[TwoKeyedLock multi-key safety systems]] are designed so that one person cannot reach all of the keys at once to turn them, so one person having multiple keys would not represent a breakdown of the system. The keyholes would be on opposite sides of the same room, and require all keys to be turned at the exact same time.

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* And in any case, most [[TwoKeyedLock multi-key safety systems]] are designed so that one person cannot reach all of the keys at once to turn them, so one person having multiple keys would not represent a breakdown of the system. The keyholes would be on opposite sides of the same room, a room and require all keys to be turned at the exact same time.
28th Jun '17 10:51:50 PM USABobcat
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* And in any case, most [[TwoKeyedLock multi-key safety systems]] are designed so that one person cannot reach all of the keys at once to turn them, so one person having multiple keys would not represent a breakdown of the system anyways.

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* And in any case, most [[TwoKeyedLock multi-key safety systems]] are designed so that one person cannot reach all of the keys at once to turn them, so one person having multiple keys would not represent a breakdown of the system anyways.system. The keyholes would be on opposite sides of the same room, and require all keys to be turned at the exact same time.
7th Oct '16 9:41:08 AM nightkiller
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* It's entirely possible that the officers actually ''are'' speaking in English; after all, they're already planning to defect to America, and senior military officers always have a built-in excuse for learning the language of their nation's primary opponent. And if any crewmember overhears them... he can't understand what they're saying, and its irrelevant who he reports the fact that the officers are speaking in English to because (as far as Ramius and his officers know) the only GRU man onboard the boat is already dead and they obviously don't intend to still be there by the time the crew makes it back to Russia. (Plus, of course, he can simply be told "Yes, we are practicing our English, so we can better monitor Western transmissions. This is your business ''how'', seaman?")
*** Heck, they could openly say to the crewman's face "Yes, we're speaking in a language you do not understand precisely because we do not want the enlisted men to know what we are talking about." It's not like that would be a ''surprising'' sentiment in the old Soviet navy.
** The sailors are singing the Hymn of the Soviet Union, a very distinctive song for which I'm not aware there is an English version. In dialogue, the translation convention renders characters' words as English, but that would be very difficult to do with the Soviet national anthem and would lesson the impact of the scene.

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* It's entirely possible that the officers actually ''are'' speaking in English; after all, they're already planning to defect to America, and senior military officers always have a built-in excuse for learning the language of their nation's primary opponent. And if any crewmember overhears them... he can't understand what they're saying, and its irrelevant who he reports the fact that the officers are speaking in English to because (as far as Ramius and his officers know) the only GRU man onboard the boat is already dead and they obviously don't intend to still be there by the time the crew makes it back to Russia. (Plus, of course, he can simply be told "Yes, we are practicing our English, so we can better monitor Western transmissions. This is your business ''how'', seaman?")
*** Heck, they could openly say to the crewman's face "Yes, we're speaking in a language you do not understand precisely because we do not want the enlisted men to know what we are talking about." It's not like that would be a ''surprising'' sentiment in the old Soviet navy.
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The sailors are singing the Hymn of the Soviet Union, a very distinctive song for which I'm not aware there is an English version. In dialogue, the translation convention renders characters' words as English, but that would be very difficult to do with the Soviet national anthem and would lesson the impact of the scene.
25th Jan '15 12:45:53 PM GuyIncog
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* In the movie, a warning light alerts the men in the control room when Loginov opens the missile tube hatch. Perhaps he felt it was better to at least use the element of surprise to cause confusion (and possibly take out one of his adversaries first, as he managed to do) rather than risk being taken by surprise himself when someone came forward to investigate why the hatch was open.
16th Jan '15 6:08:25 PM BanjoTCat
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** The sailors are singing the Hymn of the Soviet Union, a very distinctive song for which I'm not aware there is an English version. In dialogue, the translation convention renders characters' words as English, but that would be very difficult to do with the Soviet national anthem and would lesson the impact of the scene.
22nd Sep '14 3:20:38 PM AFP
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* Also, Borodin already has a missile control key -- his own, as he's one of the five separate officers it takes to approve a missile launch on a Soviet submarine in that era. So either way, ''someone'' would have to carry two keys if one of the five officers dies; the logical candidate to do that is, of course, the most senior officer.

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* Also, Borodin already has a missile control key -- his own, as he's one of the five separate officers it takes to approve a missile launch on a Soviet submarine in that era. So either way, ''someone'' would have to carry two keys if one of the five officers dies; the logical candidate to do that is, of course, the most senior officer.officer.
* And in any case, most [[TwoKeyedLock multi-key safety systems]] are designed so that one person cannot reach all of the keys at once to turn them, so one person having multiple keys would not represent a breakdown of the system anyways.
13th Sep '14 9:52:24 AM cliffc999
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* He might have been trying to kill everyone and return the submarine to Russia. When his first attempt failed, and he lost the element of surprise, he knew a second attempt was doomed to fail. So he tried the next best thing; prevent the submarine from falling into American hands.

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* He might have been trying to kill everyone and return the submarine to Russia. When his first attempt failed, and he lost the element of surprise, he knew a second attempt was doomed to fail. So he tried the next best thing; prevent the submarine from falling into American hands.
12th Sep '14 4:51:47 PM cliffc999
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*** Heck, they could openly say to the crewman's face "Yes, we're speaking in a language you do not understand precisely because we do not want the enlisted men to know what we are talking about." It's not like that would be a ''surprising'' sentiment in the old Soviet navy.
12th Sep '14 4:49:28 PM cliffc999
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* Also, Borodin already has a missile control key -- his own, as he's one of the five separate officers it takes to approve a missile launch. So either way, ''someone'' would have to carry two keys if one of the five officers dies; the logical candidate to do that is, of course, the most senior officer.

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* Also, Borodin already has a missile control key -- his own, as he's one of the five separate officers it takes to approve a missile launch.launch on a Soviet submarine in that era. So either way, ''someone'' would have to carry two keys if one of the five officers dies; the logical candidate to do that is, of course, the most senior officer.
12th Sep '14 4:49:05 PM cliffc999
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'''Borodin:''' I note this, and will so enter it in the log.

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'''Borodin:''' I note this, and will so enter it in the log.log.
* Also, Borodin already has a missile control key -- his own, as he's one of the five separate officers it takes to approve a missile launch. So either way, ''someone'' would have to carry two keys if one of the five officers dies; the logical candidate to do that is, of course, the most senior officer.
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