History Headscratchers / TheGodfather

3rd Nov '15 4:55:45 AM DoctorNemesis
Is there an issue? Send a Message
**** Sonny's hot-headed and as even Vito admits probably wouldn't make a great Don, but he's tough and confident. He might not be an intellectual powerhouse, but he commands respect (even if mainly through fear of his temper), he's decisive, and he's not completely useless. He might not be the best to do the job, but he can do it if necessary. Fredo, on the other hand, comes off throughout the movies as awkward, weak-willed and inept. He mumbles and fumbles, he gives into his vices, he lets other people dominate and sway him (including, crucially, people from outside the family, like Moe Greene), he doesn't carry himself with confidence, he screws up a lot, and he's clearly just not cut out for the life of a high-level mobster. He doesn't command respect, and the way he doesn't command respect makes it easy for him to come off (or, at least, for other people to refer to him) as stupid.
to:
**** Sonny's hot-headed and as even Vito admits probably wouldn't make a great Don, but he's tough and confident. He might not be an intellectual powerhouse, powerhouse or a great tactician, but he commands respect (even if mainly through fear of his temper), he's decisive, and he's not completely useless. He might not be the best to do the job, but he can do it if necessary.necessary (perhaps not as well as Vito, but he could do it). Fredo, on the other hand, comes off throughout the movies as awkward, weak-willed and inept. He mumbles and fumbles, he gives into his vices, he lets other people dominate and sway him (including, crucially, people from outside the family, like Moe Greene), he doesn't carry himself with confidence, he screws up a lot, and he's clearly just not cut out for the life of a high-level mobster. He doesn't command respect, and the way he doesn't command respect makes it easy for him to come off (or, at least, for other people to refer to him) as stupid.
12th Sep '15 8:15:54 AM DoctorNemesis
Is there an issue? Send a Message
**** Sonny's hot-headed and as even Vito admits probably wouldn't make a great Don, but he's tough and confident. He might not be an intellectual powerhouse, but he commands respect (even if mainly through fear of his temper), he's decisive, and he's not completely useless. He can do the job if necessary. Fredo, on the other hand, comes off throughout the movies as awkward, weak-willed and inept. He mumbles and fumbles, he gives into his vices, he lets other people dominate and sway him (including, crucially, people from outside the family, like Moe Greene), he doesn't carry himself with confidence, he screws up a lot, and he's clearly just not cut out for the life of a high-level mobster. He doesn't command respect, and the way he doesn't command respect makes it easy for him to come off (or, at least, for other people to refer to him) as stupid.
to:
**** Sonny's hot-headed and as even Vito admits probably wouldn't make a great Don, but he's tough and confident. He might not be an intellectual powerhouse, but he commands respect (even if mainly through fear of his temper), he's decisive, and he's not completely useless. He might not be the best to do the job, but he can do the job it if necessary. Fredo, on the other hand, comes off throughout the movies as awkward, weak-willed and inept. He mumbles and fumbles, he gives into his vices, he lets other people dominate and sway him (including, crucially, people from outside the family, like Moe Greene), he doesn't carry himself with confidence, he screws up a lot, and he's clearly just not cut out for the life of a high-level mobster. He doesn't command respect, and the way he doesn't command respect makes it easy for him to come off (or, at least, for other people to refer to him) as stupid.
19th Jul '15 9:28:56 PM DoctorNemesis
Is there an issue? Send a Message
**** Sonny's hot-headed and as even Vito admits probably wouldn't make a great Don, but he's tough and confident. He might not be an intellectual powerhouse, but he commands respect (even if mainly through fear of his temper), he's decisive, and he's not completely useless. He can do the job if necessary. Fredo, on the other hand, comes off throughout the movies as awkward, weak-willed and inept. He mumbles and fumbles, he gives into his vices, he lets other people dominate and sway him, he doesn't carry himself with confidence, he screws up a lot, and he's clearly just not cut out for the life of a high-level mobster. He doesn't command respect, and the way he doesn't command respect makes it easy for him to come off (or, at least, for other people to refer to him) as stupid.
to:
**** Sonny's hot-headed and as even Vito admits probably wouldn't make a great Don, but he's tough and confident. He might not be an intellectual powerhouse, but he commands respect (even if mainly through fear of his temper), he's decisive, and he's not completely useless. He can do the job if necessary. Fredo, on the other hand, comes off throughout the movies as awkward, weak-willed and inept. He mumbles and fumbles, he gives into his vices, he lets other people dominate and sway him, him (including, crucially, people from outside the family, like Moe Greene), he doesn't carry himself with confidence, he screws up a lot, and he's clearly just not cut out for the life of a high-level mobster. He doesn't command respect, and the way he doesn't command respect makes it easy for him to come off (or, at least, for other people to refer to him) as stupid.
19th Jul '15 9:24:42 PM DoctorNemesis
Is there an issue? Send a Message
** Ultimately, to Michael it doesn't matter what Fredo thought was going to happen. Remember back in the first movie, Michael tells Fredo "Don't ever take sides against the family again." In conspiring with Ola, even if Fredo didn't think they were planning to actually assassinate Michael, he took sides against the family.
to:
** Ultimately, to Michael it doesn't matter what Fredo thought was going to happen. Remember back in the first movie, Michael tells Fredo "Don't ever take sides against the family again." In conspiring with Ola, even if Fredo didn't think they were planning to actually assassinate Michael, he took sides against the family. There's the betrayal.
19th Jul '15 9:24:22 PM DoctorNemesis
Is there an issue? Send a Message
**** Sonny's hot-headed and as even Vito admits probably wouldn't make a great Don, but he's tough and confident. He might not be an intellectual powerhouse, but he commands respect (even if mainly through fear of his temper), he's decisive, and he's not completely useless. He can do the job if necessary. Fredo, on the other hand, comes off throughout the movie as awkward, weak-willed and inept. He mumbles and fumbles, he gives into his vices, he lets other people dominate and sway him, he doesn't carry himself with confidence, he screws up a lot, and he's clearly just not cut out for the life of a high-level mobster. He doesn't command respect, and the way he doesn't command respect makes it easy for him to come off as stupid.
to:
**** Sonny's hot-headed and as even Vito admits probably wouldn't make a great Don, but he's tough and confident. He might not be an intellectual powerhouse, but he commands respect (even if mainly through fear of his temper), he's decisive, and he's not completely useless. He can do the job if necessary. Fredo, on the other hand, comes off throughout the movie movies as awkward, weak-willed and inept. He mumbles and fumbles, he gives into his vices, he lets other people dominate and sway him, he doesn't carry himself with confidence, he screws up a lot, and he's clearly just not cut out for the life of a high-level mobster. He doesn't command respect, and the way he doesn't command respect makes it easy for him to come off (or, at least, for other people to refer to him) as stupid.

Added DiffLines:
**** Sonny's hot-headed and as even Vito admits probably wouldn't make a great Don, but he's tough and confident. He might not be an intellectual powerhouse, but he commands respect (even if mainly through fear of his temper), he's decisive, and he's not completely useless. He can do the job if necessary. Fredo, on the other hand, comes off throughout the movie as awkward, weak-willed and inept. He mumbles and fumbles, he gives into his vices, he lets other people dominate and sway him, he ** Ultimately, to Michael it doesn't carry himself matter what Fredo thought was going to happen. Remember back in the first movie, Michael tells Fredo "Don't ever take sides against the family again." In conspiring with confidence, Ola, even if Fredo didn't think they were planning to actually assassinate Michael, he screws up a lot, and he's clearly just not cut out for took sides against the life of a high-level mobster. He doesn't command respect, and the way he doesn't command respect makes it easy for him to come off as stupid.family.
19th Jul '15 9:16:07 PM DoctorNemesis
Is there an issue? Send a Message
**** Sonny's hot-headed, but he's tough, has some wits going on and has a fairly reasonable grasp of tactics. He might not be the sharpest nail in the bag and probably wouldn't be the most effective Don ever, but he's not a hopeless fuck-up either. Fredo, on the other hand, clearly just doesn't have what it takes. Everything about him screams fumbling incompetence. He's nervous and twitchy. His father gets shot in front of him, and he drops the gun in panic. He gets sent to Vegas to manage the family interests and spends all his time boozing and whoring. He might not literally be a drooling imbecile, but in the world he inhabits it's not surprising he'd develop a reputation as an unreliable idiot.
to:
**** Sonny's hot-headed, but he's tough, has some wits going on hot-headed and has a fairly reasonable grasp of tactics. He might not be the sharpest nail in the bag and as even Vito admits probably wouldn't be the most effective Don ever, make a great Don, but he's tough and confident. He might not a hopeless fuck-up either. be an intellectual powerhouse, but he commands respect (even if mainly through fear of his temper), he's decisive, and he's not completely useless. He can do the job if necessary. Fredo, on the other hand, comes off throughout the movie as awkward, weak-willed and inept. He mumbles and fumbles, he gives into his vices, he lets other people dominate and sway him, he doesn't carry himself with confidence, he screws up a lot, and he's clearly just not cut out for the life of a high-level mobster. He doesn't have what command respect, and the way he doesn't command respect makes it takes. Everything about easy for him screams fumbling incompetence. He's nervous and twitchy. His father gets shot in front of him, and he drops the gun in panic. He gets sent to Vegas to manage the family interests and spends all his time boozing and whoring. He might not literally be a drooling imbecile, but in the world he inhabits it's not surprising he'd develop a reputation come off as an unreliable idiot. stupid.
18th Jul '15 8:41:16 AM DoctorNemesis
Is there an issue? Send a Message
Added DiffLines:
**** Sonny's hot-headed, but he's tough, has some wits going on and has a fairly reasonable grasp of tactics. He might not be the sharpest nail in the bag and probably wouldn't be the most effective Don ever, but he's not a hopeless fuck-up either. Fredo, on the other hand, clearly just doesn't have what it takes. Everything about him screams fumbling incompetence. He's nervous and twitchy. His father gets shot in front of him, and he drops the gun in panic. He gets sent to Vegas to manage the family interests and spends all his time boozing and whoring. He might not literally be a drooling imbecile, but in the world he inhabits it's not surprising he'd develop a reputation as an unreliable idiot.
18th Jul '15 8:33:16 AM DoctorNemesis
Is there an issue? Send a Message
to:
** They may also face internal weaknesses, power struggles, etc. Michael takes over the Corleone family pretty much because he's the only viable candidate at that point (Fredo clearly isn't up to it and no one would take him seriously enough to join his side in a power struggle), whereas there's no guarantee with the other Families that the line of succession is as clear or that someone isn't going to make a power grab. Essentially, they might be too distracted getting their own houses in order to be in a position to retaliate.
11th May '15 1:23:47 PM OptimumTaurus
Is there an issue? Send a Message
to:
** An early script explains that Fredo was told by the co-conspirators of the failed hit on the Corleone compound that they wanted to kidnap Michael to put some pressure on the Corleone Family in negotiations. It doesn't explain exactly what information Fredo gave them. Perhaps he gave them information about the compound that could have been used to catch Michael off-guard for what he thought would be a kidnapping?
2nd May '15 7:53:19 PM lorgskyegon
Is there an issue? Send a Message
Added DiffLines:
**** How about when he was supposed to be protecting his father and not only let him get shot, but couldn't shoot back, and instead of going for help, sat on the pavement and cried? And apparently pissing off his Vegas cohorts enough that he got hit, despite the fact that he's a made man and the don's brother?
This list shows the last 10 events of 39. Show all.