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12th Jan '17 5:26:09 PM elmerg
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** The novelization explains the crying/etc. in more detail. The Diva is telepathic, and she's in contact with her people and Leeloo during that sequence. It's why she reacts in such a way when her people are shot up. It's explained/implied that Leeloo is getting some telepathic 'boosting' from the Diva.
14th Nov '16 5:42:22 PM AbnormalMoose
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**** The Evil is never referred to as wiping out all life on Earth. The Evil is consistently referred to as wiping out ''all life''.
21st Oct '16 9:29:14 PM timemonkey
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* How did the Diva reasonably expect Leeloo and the priests to get to Fhloston Paradise? The only reason she got there was that the galactic government rigged the contest to get Korben there while not even factoring Leeloo into their plans. Why didn't the Diva send a private invitation to the priest instead of him having to clobber Korben over the head and steal the tickets?

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* How did the Diva reasonably expect Leeloo and the priests to get to Fhloston Paradise? The only reason she got there was that the galactic government rigged the contest to get Korben there while not even factoring Leeloo into their plans. Why didn't the Diva send a private invitation to the priest instead of him having to clobber Korben over the head and steal the tickets?tickets?
** Leeloo came to Earth on a ship full of aliens, the same aliens that gave the Diva the stones to begin with. Had the ship not been shot down their next stop would likely have been to meet with the Diva to get the stones. There's no indication the news of the ship being destroyed made it off Earth so no changes were made for the plan.
27th Sep '16 5:16:26 PM ManEFaces
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*** They'd avoid that spot, which is pretty easy to see given that the bullets glow.
*** Yeah, that's kind of the idea of cover fire. Cover fire isn't to ''hit'' anyone, it's to keep the enemy's head down and away from a good firing position. So, if you've got enemies trying to come through a doorway, and you've got every bullet you fire going through that doorway, then it's ''very'' good at cover fire. Alternatively, if you shoot and kill someone who's manning a machinegun nest, that's now a machinegun nest that the enemy cannot use because the next poor sap that tries to fire it is going to get a hail of bullets for his trouble, without ever getting a shot at you.\\\
I think you're misunderstanding the role of automatic weapons in warfare. Thousands and ''thousands'' of rounds are fired in modern wars for every two or three enemies killed. The vast, ''vast'' majority of weapons fire is for suppression, area denial, and cover fire, not to kill anyone directly. Zorg's gun would be ''very'' effective at that if it could reliably spray the same area and keep the enemy away from it.

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*** They'd avoid that spot, which is pretty easy to see given that the bullets glow.
*** Yeah, that's kind of the idea of cover fire. Cover fire isn't to ''hit'' anyone, it's to keep the enemy's head down and away from a good firing position. So, if you've got enemies trying to come through a doorway, and you've got every bullet you fire going through that doorway, then it's ''very'' good at cover fire. Alternatively, if you shoot and kill someone who's manning a machinegun nest, that's now a machinegun nest that the enemy cannot use because the next poor sap that tries to fire it is going to get a hail of bullets for his trouble, without ever getting a shot at you.\\\
I think you're misunderstanding the role of automatic weapons in warfare. Thousands and ''thousands'' of rounds are fired in modern wars for every two or three enemies killed. The vast, ''vast'' majority of weapons fire is for suppression, area denial, and cover fire, not to kill anyone directly. Zorg's gun would be ''very'' effective at that if it could reliably spray the same area and keep the enemy away from it.
27th Sep '16 5:15:40 PM ManEFaces
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*** Except after the one that killed them, which you needed to shoot to use that mode in the first place. Did you read the comment?
*** So you're assuming that the first shot is ''always'' going to be an instant kill? Also, take note of ''how'' the bullets hit the dummy: They arc and curve, and while they all hit his body, they don't hit the exact same spot in the exact same way. Some are head and chest shots, some are to the side. So one way to use it is to shoot whatever cover your enemy's hiding behind, then point up and spray bullets so that when they curve to hit, they're coming down on top of the enemy instead of hitting his cover.
** And it avoids friendly fire after the first shot.
*** At the expense of not shooting anyone else. You'd get the same results by not firing.



*** Well, Insomniac Games said that the movie influence them.
** There's also the consideration that the Replay Button sends every following shot towards the same location, but it doesn't mean the following shots avoid anything in their course. Think about this. You're hitting a moving target. Shoot it once in the leg or arm, and then, even though all bullets go towards the arm, the body can turn in various ways in it's attempt to flee causing bullets to enter through other areas of the body JUST to get to the point on the arm. Also consider this strategy: you're facing down a room full of guys with minimal cover. Shoot once into the wall behind them and then send a flurry of flying bullets from behind cover hitting random targets as all bullets make their way to that spot while giving you perfect cover! It's not entirely impractical depending on how you choose to use it. The reason no Mangalore's were hit was because the shot wasn't in their direction, hence the bullets avoided them and turned around, but anyone in front of the dummy would've been swiss cheese! The advantage of a curving bullet can sometimes be more useful than a straight shooter.

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*** Well, Insomniac Games said that the movie influence them.
** There's also the consideration that the Replay Button sends every following shot towards the same location, but it doesn't mean the following shots avoid anything in their course. Think about this. You're hitting a moving target. Shoot it once in the leg or arm, and then, even though all bullets go towards the arm, the body can turn in various ways in it's attempt to flee causing bullets to enter through other areas of the body JUST to get to the point on the arm. Also consider this strategy: you're facing down a room full of guys with minimal cover. Shoot once into the wall behind them and then send a flurry of flying bullets from behind cover hitting random targets as all bullets make their way to that spot while giving you perfect cover! It's not entirely impractical depending on how you choose to use it. The reason no Mangalore's Mangalores were hit was because the shot wasn't in their direction, hence the bullets avoided them and turned around, but anyone in front of the dummy would've been swiss cheese! The advantage of a curving bullet can sometimes be more useful than a straight shooter.



** Keep in mind the Mandalorians are terrorists. How useful would it be to have a tracking device that you could shoot, implant, or hide on say, the podium of a politician's speech and then fire on with guaranteed success?

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** Keep in mind the Mandalorians Mangalores are terrorists. How useful would it be to have a tracking device that you could shoot, implant, or hide on say, the podium of a politician's speech and then fire on with guaranteed success?
27th Sep '16 5:13:40 PM ManEFaces
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** Armor. Maybe there's some armor in the future that needs multiple shots to get through, breaking through would be easier if you can hit the same spot. Though otherwise... a useless function
** Two possibilities that I can guess. The First would basically be that you only need to shoot the spot once and then you can hide behind cover and hose the target with bullets with impunity. Alternatively, a more advanced feature would allow you to hone in on someone else's hit.

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** Armor. Maybe there's some armor in Silly question. If a first shot hits but only wounds the future that needs multiple shots to get through, breaking through would be easier if target, you can hit the same spot. Though otherwise... sit back around a useless function
** Two possibilities that I can guess. The First would basically be that you only need to shoot the spot once and then you can hide
corner or behind cover in complete safety and hose squeeze the trigger until the target with bullets with impunity. Alternatively, a more advanced feature would allow you to hone in on someone else's hit.is dead.



*** This seems the most likely, especially compared with the other ludicrous features the gun has. Clearly the ZF-1 was meant to be showy, not a practical military weapon. Quite why the Mangalore, a so-called warrior race, were so enamoured with such a stupid device speaks volumes about their common sense, really.

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*** This seems the most likely, especially compared with the other ludicrous features the gun has. Clearly the ZF-1 was meant to be showy, not a practical military weapon. Quite why the Mangalore, a so-called warrior race, were so enamoured enamored with such a stupid device speaks volumes about their common sense, really.
27th Sep '16 5:07:24 PM ManEFaces
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** What makes you think Evil told Zorg anything about destroying Earth? Listen to the dialog. Zorg keeps going on about his expenses and asking Mr. Shadow for more money. All Zorg knew is that Mr. Shadow wanted the stones and was paying him a shit load of money for them.

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** What makes you think Evil told Zorg anything about destroying Earth? Listen to the dialog. Zorg keeps going on talks about how his expenses and asking Mr. Shadow for more money.have tripled. All Zorg knew is that Mr. Shadow wanted the stones and was paying him a shit load probably promising some kind of money power for them.
27th Sep '16 5:03:32 PM ManEFaces
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* This may be a dumb question, but did the Diva have any connection to Leelo? Numerous times during her number, we cut to Leelo kicking ass, then when she [[spoiler: dies]], Leelo begins to sob. Korben also [[spoiler: pulls the stones from the Diva.]] Was it ever specified if the two were connected?
** Seing how Leelo was literally created a few days ago, I'd say no. Diva was just working with the Mondoshawans.
** I think Leelo was having a breakdown because she had just come out of the stressful situation of a psycho shooting at her while she tried to crawl through a vent out of the zone of fire. The situation calmed down, giving her ample time to sob quietly.

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* This may be a dumb question, but did the Diva have any connection to Leelo? Leeloo? Numerous times during her number, we cut to Leelo Leeloo kicking ass, then when she [[spoiler: dies]], Leelo Leeloo begins to sob. Korben also [[spoiler: pulls the stones from the Diva.]] Was it ever specified if the two were connected?
** Seing Seeing how Leelo Leeloo was literally created a few days ago, I'd say no. Diva was just working with the Mondoshawans.
** I think Leelo Leeloo was having a breakdown because she had just come out of the stressful situation of a psycho shooting at her while she tried to crawl through a vent out of the zone of fire. The situation calmed down, giving her ample time to sob quietly.



** It didn't, he'd just seconds ago smashed the part of his cab that the cops interface with to get his ID because it was really annoying him.

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** It didn't, he'd just seconds ago smashed the part of his cab that the cops interface with to get his ID because it was really annoying him.him.
* How did the Diva reasonably expect Leeloo and the priests to get to Fhloston Paradise? The only reason she got there was that the galactic government rigged the contest to get Korben there while not even factoring Leeloo into their plans. Why didn't the Diva send a private invitation to the priest instead of him having to clobber Korben over the head and steal the tickets?
27th Sep '16 4:34:02 AM Agent_B
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* Well, Insomniac Games said that the movie influence them.

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* *** Well, Insomniac Games said that the movie influence them.
27th Sep '16 4:33:04 AM Agent_B
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* Well, Insomniac Games said that the movie influence them.
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