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10th Jan '18 6:19:10 AM ExarchofSechrima
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** There's this thing people can get called a job.
29th Nov '17 11:17:41 AM 64SuperNintendo
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* In the end, how did they manage to get Bruce Wayne declared dead without revealing he was Batman? Okay, Commissioner Gordon may have helped them, but I don't think even he could get a legal confirmation for Bruce's death if there was no identifiable body. And since there was no body, wouldn't Bruce have been considered a missing person, after which it would take a long time for him to be declared legally dead? Even though Bane's attack would probably have been considered as a likely cause of his death, it might still take years before he was determined to be [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_in_absentia dead in absentia]] (especially considering that he had a history of disappearing for long stretches of time); see the case of the supposed 9/11 victim [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneha_Anne_Philip Sneha Anne Philip]] for comparison.

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* In the end, how did they manage to get Bruce Wayne declared dead without revealing he was Batman? Okay, Commissioner Gordon may have helped them, but I don't think even he could get a legal confirmation for Bruce's death if there was no identifiable body. And since there was no body, wouldn't Bruce have been considered a missing person, after which it would take a long time for him to be declared legally dead? Even though Bane's attack would probably have been considered as a likely cause of his death, it might still take years before he was determined to be [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_in_absentia dead in absentia]] (especially considering that he had a history of disappearing for long stretches of time); see the case of the supposed 9/11 victim [[http://en.[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneha_Anne_Philip org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Sneha_Anne_Philip Sneha Anne Philip]] for comparison.
12th Nov '17 1:51:51 PM costanton11
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*** Sorry, but Bruce's disappearance at the end of the movie is justified by saying he died in Gotham during the chaos. During the entire five-month period Gotham was under Bane's rule, Bruce Wayne could not have been seen by anyone, otherwise that explanation would not work; since he was outside of a city no one could go in or out of, him being outside the city would shoot a massive hole through the official cover. Therefore, Bruce Wayne could not have used any means that involved being "Bruce Wayne", and had to find his way back and into the city without using his identity (or even being recognized).

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*** Sorry, but Bruce's disappearance at the end of the movie is justified by saying he died in Gotham during the chaos. During the entire five-month period Gotham was under Bane's rule, Bruce Wayne could not have been seen by anyone, otherwise that explanation would not work; since he was outside of a city no one could go in or out of, him being outside the city city, and the documentation that he would have had to sign in order to book a flight, which would be an official record that he was outside Gotham during the lockdown, would shoot a massive hole through the official cover. Therefore, Bruce Wayne could not have used any means that involved being "Bruce Wayne", and had to find his way back and into the city without using his identity (or even being recognized).
9th Nov '17 11:48:27 AM costanton11
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** He was going to resign until Bruce gave him a code that would destroy the surveillance contraption that he disapproved of. We see him using it at the end of that movie. He explicitly said that he wasn't going to stay in the company if the machine stayed. The machine didn't stay so he did.

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** He was going to resign until Bruce gave him a code that would destroy the surveillance contraption that he disapproved of. We see him using it at the end of that movie. He explicitly said that he wasn't going to stay in the company if the machine stayed. [[ExactWords The machine didn't stay so he did.]]



** Unless Gordon sits on the truth again, Wayne Enterprises built the nuke that was used to terrorize the city (and kept it in a populated area without telling anyone), and their interim Chairman turned out to be the terrorists' ringleader. They are in for one hell of an audit.

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** Unless While they may be fine as far as the trades are concerned, unless Gordon sits on the truth again, again (and he has no reason to do so in this case), Wayne Enterprises was to own up to the fact that they built the nuke that was used to terrorize the city (and kept it in a populated area without telling anyone), and their interim Chairman turned out to be the terrorists' ringleader. They are in for one hell of an audit.



*** The problem is that the scene with Blake finding the boy seems to set up how he was able to find Gordon, since he knew from the incident from the boy where the sewer would lead so he went there to find Gordon. It doesn't make much sense for the scene with Gordon to be before the scene with the boy, unless the writers originally wrote it like that, then thought it was too unlikely that Blake would know where Gordon was, and thus rearranged the scenes so that orphan scene would provide an explanation, but they missed the issue that this created with Gordon still having the speech.

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*** The problem is that theory is that the scene with Blake finding the boy seems to set up how he was able to find Gordon, since he knew from the incident from the boy where the sewer would lead so he went there to find Gordon. It doesn't make much sense for the scene with Gordon to be before the scene with the boy, unless the writers originally wrote it like that, then thought it was too unlikely that Blake would know where Gordon was, and thus rearranged the scenes so that orphan scene would provide an explanation, but they missed the issue plot hole that this created with Gordon still having the speech.



** Why would he bother at this point? There's nothing to gain from it and the fact that Batman saved his live probably earned him enough respect to keep his secret.

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** Why would he bother at this point? There's nothing to gain from it and the fact that Batman saved his live life probably earned him enough respect to keep his secret.
24th Oct '17 9:28:36 PM costanton11
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** General public wouldn't know that Wayne Enterprises built the Tumblers, so that wouldn't be a dead give-away. As for the board member, it's doubtful they'd know, either. Members of a board of directors don't oversee individual products and projects for the company, they handle long term planning and help liase with other companies (most will sit on the board of directors for several different companies, in fact). Fox, being the former head of applied science and R&D, is likely the only member of the board who knows they made the Tumblers. Otherwise, they would have recognized the thing driving over roof tops on the evening news.

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** General public wouldn't know that Wayne Enterprises built the Tumblers, so that wouldn't be a dead give-away. As for the board member, it's doubtful they'd know, either. Members of a board of directors don't oversee individual products and projects for the company, they handle long term planning and help liase liaise with other companies (most will sit on the board of directors for several different companies, in fact). Fox, being the former head of applied science and R&D, is likely the only member of the board who knows they made the Tumblers. Otherwise, they would have recognized the thing driving over roof tops on the evening news.



*** The logical assumption for the Military people would be that Batman is being supplied by some big fish within Wayne Entreprises. It could be handwaved that perhaps at first the generals and whatnot were sympathetic to Batman's cauase, but once he got involved in Dent's murder, there is no justification for keeping a blind eye.
*** the probleim with that "the military thinks it's one of their own" theory is, well, this rogue specs-op guy steals a ton of hardware from Wayne, and nobody noticed?

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*** The logical assumption for the Military people would be that Batman is being supplied by some big fish within Wayne Entreprises. Enterprises. It could be handwaved that perhaps at first the generals and whatnot were sympathetic to Batman's cauase, cause, but once he got involved in Dent's murder, there is no justification for keeping a blind eye.
*** the probleim problem with that "the military thinks it's one of their own" theory is, well, this rogue specs-op guy steals a ton of hardware from Wayne, and nobody noticed?



*** Except there is a moment in that chase, where the Tumbler is immobile on a high rise parking lot while Bruce is preparing to do a jump with the car, and the chopper flies close shinning the area0 with its spotlight. Also, while night vision cameras do not providing with much detal, they do show a sharp image of the basic shapes of any vehicle. And you can't deny the Tumbler has a very unique and easily identidfiable profile.
*** That all depends on anyone involved in that project seeing that footage. If those people don't live in Gotham city it's plausable they never bothered to look at the footage.

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*** Except there is a moment in that chase, where the Tumbler is immobile on a high rise parking lot while Bruce is preparing to do a jump with the car, and the chopper flies close shinning the area0 with its spotlight. Also, while night vision cameras do not providing with much detal, detail, they do show a sharp image of the basic shapes of any vehicle. And you can't deny the Tumbler has a very unique and easily identidfiable identifiable profile.
*** That all depends on anyone involved in that project seeing that footage. If those people don't live in Gotham city it's plausable plausible they never bothered to look at the footage.



** What I don't get is how is Blake going to be Batman at all? Not only he lacks Bruce's League training, but he also lacks his immense wealth, access to advanced R&D, and a tech wizard like Lucius Fox. What's exactly he going to do when the suit breaks or some gadget needs maintenance? At first I thought of the possibilty that Bruce may finance him, but doesn't seem possible since not only Bruce abandoned his possessions in order to disappear (if he actually did and that wasn't just Alfred's imagination), but he was already struggling with being at the edge of bankruptcy before that.

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** What I don't get is how is Blake going to be Batman at all? Not only he lacks Bruce's League training, but he also lacks his immense wealth, access to advanced R&D, and a tech wizard like Lucius Fox. What's exactly he going to do when the suit breaks or some gadget needs maintenance? At first I thought of the possibilty possibility that Bruce may finance him, but doesn't seem possible since not only Bruce abandoned his possessions in order to disappear (if he actually did and that wasn't just Alfred's imagination), but he was already struggling with being at the edge of bankruptcy before that.



*** Blake was present at the reading at the end, which was basically a meeting of the "We know who Batman really was" club, giving Wayne the send off he deserved but could never officially have. As such, he knows perfectly well that Fox is in on it, and there will probably be instructions in the computer telling him to go to Fox for supplies and logisitcs. Not only that, Gordon will probably instantly recognise and support him when goes "official".

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*** Blake was present at the reading at the end, which was basically a meeting of the "We know who Batman really was" club, giving Wayne the send off he deserved but could never officially have. As such, he knows perfectly well that Fox is in on it, and there will probably be instructions in the computer telling him to go to Fox for supplies and logisitcs. logistics. Not only that, Gordon will probably instantly recognise recognize and support him when goes "official".



*** There is also the fact that the Act worked because Gordon is the man in charge of putting all those bad guys in jail. If it was anybody else as Commisioner, the Mafia would just hand out a briefcase or two full of cash and get out easily. Laws are only good if they are enforced, and you could say Gordon was the hero that Gotham needed at the time.

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*** There is also the fact that the Act worked because Gordon is the man in charge of putting all those bad guys in jail. If it was anybody else as Commisioner, Commissioner, the Mafia would just hand out a briefcase or two full of cash and get out easily. Laws are only good if they are enforced, and you could say Gordon was the hero that Gotham needed at the time.



** I've seen stuff like this before, in the pics of the new Spidey costume for that reboot. I think they had something to do with stunt work or somesuch, and I suspect that its similiar here.

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** I've seen stuff like this before, in the pics of the new Spidey costume for that reboot. I think they had something to do with stunt work or somesuch, some such, and I suspect that its similiar similar here.



*** The core isn't a time bomb, ticking down to the moment when a built-in device will trigger a detonation. It's an energy core that is steadily becoming less and less stable. The timer is a ''rough approximation'' of when the core is ''expected'' to destablize to the point of meltdown. It can be forgiven for not being so precise as to nail the exact second of detonation, and in fact, it is impressive that they were able to set a timer for as close as they did.

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*** The core isn't a time bomb, ticking down to the moment when a built-in device will trigger a detonation. It's an energy core that is steadily becoming less and less stable. The timer is a ''rough approximation'' of when the core is ''expected'' to destablize destabilize to the point of meltdown. It can be forgiven for not being so precise as to nail the exact second of detonation, and in fact, it is impressive that they were able to set a timer for as close as they did.



*** The way the scenes play out, it's Batman in the cockpit after he cleared the bridge, then it cuts to Blake on the Bridge watching the Bat fly off and slowly realising what's happening, then it's the cut to the timer, then it's a cut to the Bat in the distance before it blows up. So plenty of time for Batman to eject and escape.

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*** The way the scenes play out, it's Batman in the cockpit after he cleared the bridge, then it cuts to Blake on the Bridge watching the Bat fly off and slowly realising realizing what's happening, then it's the cut to the timer, then it's a cut to the Bat in the distance before it blows up. So plenty of time for Batman to eject and escape.



*** Actually, his bones themselves aren't that durable, it's the adamatine that's been mixed into them.

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*** Actually, his bones themselves aren't that durable, it's the adamatine adamantium that's been mixed into them.



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*** He spent several years travelling the Earth, with no one to tell him from Adam. He knows how to get by without money.

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*** He spent several years travelling traveling the Earth, with no one to tell him from Adam. He knows how to get by without money.



* 3,000 angry, pissed off cops. Maybe 3,000 of Bane's henchmen, and three Tumblers. ONE Tumbler gets disarmed by the Bat, NOT ALL THREE, JUST ONE, and only five cops get gunned down by Bane's henchmen before the brawl begins. LOL, wut. Also, WHY DID NONE OF THE COPS PULL OUT THEIR GUNS! THEY WERE CLEARLY ARMED AND FACING TERRORISTS! Not petty criminals, TERRORISTS! Terrorists who locked down Gotham City and turned it into a post-apocalyptic warzone. There had to have been at least SOME cops itching to shoot some of those assholes, right?!

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* 3,000 angry, pissed off cops. Maybe 3,000 of Bane's henchmen, and three Tumblers. ONE Tumbler gets disarmed by the Bat, NOT ALL THREE, JUST ONE, and only five cops get gunned down by Bane's henchmen before the brawl begins. LOL, wut. Also, WHY DID NONE OF THE COPS PULL OUT THEIR GUNS! THEY WERE CLEARLY ARMED AND FACING TERRORISTS! Not petty criminals, TERRORISTS! Terrorists who locked down Gotham City and turned it into a post-apocalyptic warzone.war zone. There had to have been at least SOME cops itching to shoot some of those assholes, right?!



** But they did open fire. I imagine it just didn't work very well, because Bane's men were wearing body armour. A better question would be: Why didn't the cops exhibit more self-preservative instincts? Even ordinary cops should know how to take cover. And whatever happened to all those SWAT officers who would be better equipped and trained to deal with the situation? Also, why did the cops march in one giant, obvious, exposed column, and why didn't Bane's men open fire way before they got to the prison/courthouse? I'm just chalking it up to adrenaline on both sides so I won't get too annoyed with the film.

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** But they did open fire. I imagine it just didn't work very well, because Bane's men were wearing body armour.armor. A better question would be: Why didn't the cops exhibit more self-preservative instincts? Even ordinary cops should know how to take cover. And whatever happened to all those SWAT officers who would be better equipped and trained to deal with the situation? Also, why did the cops march in one giant, obvious, exposed column, and why didn't Bane's men open fire way before they got to the prison/courthouse? I'm just chalking it up to adrenaline on both sides so I won't get too annoyed with the film.



*** With Nolan's vision of realistic Batman world is very possible that the Joker got electric chair for his actions in the "Dark Knight". The man is not only serial killer but an terrorist who blows up hospitals. It's hard to imagine a court that didn't gave him the death panelty...

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*** With Nolan's vision of realistic Batman world is very possible that the Joker got electric chair for his actions in the "Dark Knight". The man is not only serial killer but an terrorist who blows up hospitals. It's hard to imagine a court that didn't gave him the death panelty...penalty...



** I myself think that the whole plot of the movie (appart maybe for the nuke) is very Joker-ish in nature and may have been written with SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker as the BigBad in the first place. And then RealLifeWritesThePlot and he has been replaced early on by Bane, who do fit really well and enabled the possibility of closing the League of Shadows related plotlines.

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** I myself think that the whole plot of the movie (appart (apart maybe for the nuke) is very Joker-ish in nature and may have been written with SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker as the BigBad in the first place. And then RealLifeWritesThePlot and he has been replaced early on by Bane, who do fit really well and enabled the possibility of closing the League of Shadows related plotlines.plot lines.



** Leaving aside the debate whether Bruce has the near-omnipotent and limitless resources of his comicbook counterpart, Blake isn't exactly some random schmuck Bruce pulled in off the street. He's a trained police officer, a talented detective, and an all-round resourceful and intelligent guy. Okay, so he hasn't travelled halfway around the world to be trained by ninjas, but it's not nothing either. He's got a foundation to build on.

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** Leaving aside the debate whether Bruce has the near-omnipotent and limitless resources of his comicbook comic book counterpart, Blake isn't exactly some random schmuck Bruce pulled in off the street. He's a trained police officer, a talented detective, and an all-round resourceful and intelligent guy. Okay, so he hasn't travelled halfway around the world to be trained by ninjas, but it's not nothing either. He's got a foundation to build on.



** Except it's a camo colour, so it ISN'T the same one that Batman was piloting.

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** Except it's a camo colour, color, so it ISN'T the same one that Batman was piloting.



** Batman isn't as heavily armored as he looks; Fox specifically mentioned that the tradeoff for flexibility in his new suit meant it was less durable. Also, Bane's knee is a focal point for pressure, where as Batman's back is segmented and spread out; the knee is what will be doing the damage there. And even if Bane isn't as hulking as he is in the comics, he's still an extremely well muscled individual, moreso than even Batman during his peak. Also, most importantly, Batman's back isn't broken, he just has a dislocated vertebrae.

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** Batman isn't as heavily armored as he looks; Fox specifically mentioned that the tradeoff for flexibility in his new suit meant it was less durable. Also, Bane's knee is a focal point for pressure, where as Batman's back is segmented and spread out; the knee is what will be doing the damage there. And even if Bane isn't as hulking as he is in the comics, he's still an extremely well muscled individual, moreso more so than even Batman during his peak. Also, most importantly, Batman's back isn't broken, he just has a dislocated vertebrae.



*** Bane shrugs off the flashbangs that Batman throws because he isn't deceived by their actual innocuousness (he presumably recognises them from his League of Shadows training). He ''might'' shrug off having a pointy bat-shuriken stuck in him, but Bats doesn't even try it. And pulling off Bane's mask is worth trying because a character who is always wearing a mask may have a reason for doing so - say, it delivers an anaesthetic gas. Now while I know this and Batman doesn't, it makes sense to do what damage he can before closing in for fisticuffs, particularly when fighting a guy who is bigger and younger then you. You might as well argue that Batman might as well not fight Bane because even if he succeeds, he's still stuck in a trap and surounded by armed Mooks!

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*** Bane shrugs off the flashbangs that Batman throws because he isn't deceived by their actual innocuousness (he presumably recognises recognizes them from his League of Shadows training). He ''might'' shrug off having a pointy bat-shuriken stuck in him, but Bats doesn't even try it. And pulling off Bane's mask is worth trying because a character who is always wearing a mask may have a reason for doing so - say, it delivers an anaesthetic anesthetic gas. Now while I know this and Batman doesn't, it makes sense to do what damage he can before closing in for fisticuffs, particularly when fighting a guy who is bigger and younger then you. You might as well argue that Batman might as well not fight Bane because even if he succeeds, he's still stuck in a trap and surounded surrounded by armed Mooks!



*** And even when fighting with precision, he very nearly loses. This is all kind of the point of Bane as a character; not only is he physically stronger than Batman, not only is he roughly as skilled a fighter as Batman, he's also every bit as smart as Batman. Just about everything Batman can throw at him, Bane has a counter for. And Batman, for reasons already mentioned, severely underestimates him because he's never come up against someone physically superior to him to the point where he doesn't think a person fitting that description can possibly exist. It's one of his main flaws as a character, which is itself mirriored in Bane's underestimation of Batman and his belief that no one can make it out of the pit(though really it was more an underestimation about how helpful the doctors would be towards Bruce, but stil.))

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*** And even when fighting with precision, he very nearly loses. This is all kind of the point of Bane as a character; not only is he physically stronger than Batman, not only is he roughly as skilled a fighter as Batman, he's also every bit as smart as Batman. Just about everything Batman can throw at him, Bane has a counter for. And Batman, for reasons already mentioned, severely underestimates him because he's never come up against someone physically superior to him to the point where he doesn't think a person fitting that description can possibly exist. It's one of his main flaws as a character, which is itself mirriored mirrored in Bane's underestimation of Batman and his belief that no one can make it out of the pit(though really it was more an underestimation about how helpful the doctors would be towards Bruce, but stil.still.))



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** Imagine your family is kidnapped, and a madman threatens to kill your son, who you learn your spouse loves most. Then the madman is stopped by a heroic stranger. Then your spouse says you can't tell anyone, and publically declares the madman a saint and claims the heroic stranger murdered this great man. Wouldn't you leave?

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** Imagine your family is kidnapped, and a madman threatens to kill your son, who you learn your spouse loves most. Then the madman is stopped by a heroic stranger. Then your spouse says you can't tell anyone, and publically publicly declares the madman a saint and claims the heroic stranger murdered this great man. Wouldn't you leave?



** It's more than that- if Harvey had survived and been arrested at the end of the previous movie, the entire case against the mobsters would likely have collapsed, in the same way if a police officer is arrested for a crime- especially a serious crime- then all previous cases they have worked on would be reviewed. The defence for the mobsters could suggest that all of the evidence Dent gathered was suspect because Dent turned out to be a crazy murderous maniac who held a gun to a small boy's head, so who knows what else he had been up to, or what laws he was willing to break to gather evidence (case in point- holding a gun to a suspect's head to find the Joker, when said suspect was wearing his girlfriend's nametag). That's the whole reason Batman took the fall for Harvey in the first place, in fact.

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** It's more than that- if Harvey had survived and been arrested at the end of the previous movie, the entire case against the mobsters would likely have collapsed, in the same way if a police officer is arrested for a crime- especially a serious crime- then all previous cases they have worked on would be reviewed. The defence defense for the mobsters could suggest that all of the evidence Dent gathered was suspect because Dent turned out to be a crazy murderous maniac who held a gun to a small boy's head, so who knows what else he had been up to, or what laws he was willing to break to gather evidence (case in point- holding a gun to a suspect's head to find the Joker, when said suspect was wearing his girlfriend's nametag). That's the whole reason Batman took the fall for Harvey in the first place, in fact.



** The night Dent died was ''also'' the night Rachel Dawes - known to be Bruce Wayne's childhood friend - dies. It's not too far fetched to imagine that he was carrying a torch for her all that time, even if most people don't realise why Bruce Wayne takes her death so hard.

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** The night Dent died was ''also'' the night Rachel Dawes - known to be Bruce Wayne's childhood friend - dies. It's not too far fetched to imagine that he was carrying a torch for her all that time, even if most people don't realise realize why Bruce Wayne takes her death so hard.



*** To clarify, neither [[TwoFirstNames family names that sound exactly like first names]] nor multiple given names in addition to a family name are terribly common in the RussianNamingConvention. A Russian name consists of one given name, one patronymic and at least one family name (if a person chooses to use two they get hyphenated, but that's very rare). "Pavel" doesn't work as either of the latter two - the patronymic form dervived from "Pavel" is "Pavlovich", while likely surnames derived from that given name are "Pavlov", "Pavlovsky", "Pavlovskikh", "Pavlenko" (likely to be of Ukrainian ancestry), Pavlich (ditto for Belarusian) and possibly others. Family names without any familial suffixes are not very common in Russia, even less so for family names derived from proper nouns. In short, you can safely bet that there isn't a single person in RL Russia with the last name "Pavel". If you need an in-universe explanation, it could be that he simplified his last name upon emigrating from Russia, or simply that [[HandWave their universe's Russian naming convention works differently]].

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*** To clarify, neither [[TwoFirstNames family names that sound exactly like first names]] nor multiple given names in addition to a family name are terribly common in the RussianNamingConvention. A Russian name consists of one given name, one patronymic and at least one family name (if a person chooses to use two they get hyphenated, but that's very rare). "Pavel" doesn't work as either of the latter two - the patronymic form dervived derived from "Pavel" is "Pavlovich", while likely surnames derived from that given name are "Pavlov", "Pavlovsky", "Pavlovskikh", "Pavlenko" (likely to be of Ukrainian ancestry), Pavlich (ditto for Belarusian) and possibly others. Family names without any familial suffixes are not very common in Russia, even less so for family names derived from proper nouns. In short, you can safely bet that there isn't a single person in RL Russia with the last name "Pavel". If you need an in-universe explanation, it could be that he simplified his last name upon emigrating from Russia, or simply that [[HandWave their universe's Russian naming convention works differently]].



*** It may be a subtle reference to the Hush storyline, where Thomas Elliot first starts a conversation with Bruce about how they both have two first names. At first I handwaved it as too ridiculously subtle, since who would remember a scene from one out of a thousand possible storylines and then research russian first names to make a reference that no one would notice? The only person I could think that would go to that kind of research depths was...well Batman.

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*** It may be a subtle reference to the Hush storyline, where Thomas Elliot first starts a conversation with Bruce about how they both have two first names. At first I handwaved it as too ridiculously subtle, since who would remember a scene from one out of a thousand possible storylines and then research russian Russian first names to make a reference that no one would notice? The only person I could think that would go to that kind of research depths was...well Batman.



*** She doesn't need a nice car. She just needs something that moves. In fact, an economy car over ten years old would be ideal, as it would blend in better and wouldn't have gps or top of the line anti-theft protection. And it would have taken her a few hours to drive out of the city; this was at least a few days before Bane enacted his plan.

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*** She doesn't need a nice car. She just needs something that moves. In fact, an economy car over ten years old would be ideal, as it would blend in better and wouldn't have gps GPS or top of the line anti-theft protection. And it would have taken her a few hours to drive out of the city; this was at least a few days before Bane enacted his plan.



** The original loadout for the Bat was for anti-vehicle work. Bruce didn't have time to refit it when he returned to Gotham.

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** The original loadout load out for the Bat was for anti-vehicle work. Bruce didn't have time to refit it when he returned to Gotham.



* You know I suspect far more people would escape the hole if they just gave a running start to their jumps, the platform was big enough and it shows everyone who attempts it starting that jump from a static point. I dont know much about gymnastics but isnt it common knowledge that a running start generally allows you to jump further?

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* You know I suspect far more people would escape the hole if they just gave a running start to their jumps, the platform was big enough and it shows everyone who attempts it starting that jump from a static point. I dont don't know much about gymnastics but isnt isn't it common knowledge that a running start generally allows you to jump further?



** Talia explcitly states that she didn't care about Ras' mission until he died. Having not quite bought into his philosophy, it seems likely that she was just in it for the revenge and didn't really care what came after.

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** Talia explcitly explicitly states that she didn't care about Ras' mission until he died. Having not quite bought into his philosophy, it seems likely that she was just in it for the revenge and didn't really care what came after.



** Firstly, the League of Shadows was probably pretty badly crippled after the events of ''Begins'', so there probably wasn't much of a League to lead beyond whoever Talia and Bane brought with them to the city, which could be partly, mostly or even entirely new recruits. Whoever hadn't had their ass kicked by Batman first time around might have been hunted down by the UG government, who don't take kindly to attempts to gas their cities- think of this movie as the last hurrah of the League. Secondly, and on a related point, if the government thought the League of Shadows or anyone connected to the much worse attack in ''this'' film was still out there, or had so much of an inkling that the League survived in any form, they would '''destroy''' them. And thirdly, escape was not a possibility because Bane and Talia had made sure that Gotham was totally locked down. Bane and Talia are both pretty depressed people who haven't enjoyed their lives all that much up to that point, and if they survived or escaped they probably wouldn't get away with it as there would be a massive investigation into the single-worst terrorist act anywhere in the world, ever, one that probably started when Bane first took over the city if not earlier. This is about revenge, its about power (that it, excercising power- the bullied becomes the bully), and its about proving that Ra's Al Ghul was right but didn't go far enough. It was never about surviving, but dying for ideals- extremely screwed up ideals including vengeance, but ideals nonetheless.

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** Firstly, the League of Shadows was probably pretty badly crippled after the events of ''Begins'', so there probably wasn't much of a League to lead beyond whoever Talia and Bane brought with them to the city, which could be partly, mostly or even entirely new recruits. Whoever hadn't had their ass kicked by Batman first time around might have been hunted down by the UG government, who don't take kindly to attempts to gas their cities- think of this movie as the last hurrah of the League. Secondly, and on a related point, if the government thought the League of Shadows or anyone connected to the much worse attack in ''this'' film was still out there, or had so much of an inkling that the League survived in any form, they would '''destroy''' them. And thirdly, escape was not a possibility because Bane and Talia had made sure that Gotham was totally locked down. Bane and Talia are both pretty depressed people who haven't enjoyed their lives all that much up to that point, and if they survived or escaped they probably wouldn't get away with it as there would be a massive investigation into the single-worst terrorist act anywhere in the world, ever, one that probably started when Bane first took over the city if not earlier. This is about revenge, its about power (that it, excercising exercising power- the bullied becomes the bully), and its about proving that Ra's Al Ghul was right but didn't go far enough. It was never about surviving, but dying for ideals- extremely screwed up ideals including vengeance, but ideals nonetheless.



** Also remember that nothing that happened after Bruce escape the Pit was in the plan. Talia revealing herself to Bruce only came as a necessary consequence after she stabbed him to protect Bane. Pushing the button also came as an immediate consequence of that, and in her position, it's an understandable decision. The most important thing to her was that Batman and Gotham be destroyed; at that moment, she had Batman ''right in her face''. For all she knew, he was about five seconds away from summoning up a great well of strength, kicking her in the face, grabbing the detonator from her, shoulder-throwing her into Bane, and vanishing in a puff of theatricality, then hunting down the reactor core and ruining their plan forever. With that as a very distinct possibility, the alternative of "blow it now" becomes very appealing to someone who values their endgoal over their life. If she just wanted to die, she would have pushed the button a long time ago. That wasn't a suicide attempt, it was a last-resort effort to win the game.

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** Also remember that nothing that happened after Bruce escape the Pit was in the plan. Talia revealing herself to Bruce only came as a necessary consequence after she stabbed him to protect Bane. Pushing the button also came as an immediate consequence of that, and in her position, it's an understandable decision. The most important thing to her was that Batman and Gotham be destroyed; at that moment, she had Batman ''right in her face''. For all she knew, he was about five seconds away from summoning up a great well of strength, kicking her in the face, grabbing the detonator from her, shoulder-throwing her into Bane, and vanishing in a puff of theatricality, then hunting down the reactor core and ruining their plan forever. With that as a very distinct possibility, the alternative of "blow it now" becomes very appealing to someone who values their endgoal end goal over their life. If she just wanted to die, she would have pushed the button a long time ago. That wasn't a suicide attempt, it was a last-resort effort to win the game.



** Just saw the film again with a buddy of mine who played high school football who commented on this; he assumed that those straps/suspenders are likely rather heavy, and Bane(or more likely Tom Hardy while rehearsing the role) developed the habit of grabbing them and pulling them off his chest slightly to make it easier to breath. My friend noted that he would do the same thing with his shoulderpads when he played ball, and that it became such a habit for him that he'd do it even when just wearing a jersey.

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** Just saw the film again with a buddy of mine who played high school football who commented on this; he assumed that those straps/suspenders are likely rather heavy, and Bane(or more likely Tom Hardy while rehearsing the role) developed the habit of grabbing them and pulling them off his chest slightly to make it easier to breath. My friend noted that he would do the same thing with his shoulderpads shoulder pads when he played ball, and that it became such a habit for him that he'd do it even when just wearing a jersey.



** Any number of plausible reasons present themselves. Maybe he wanted him alive for questioning on League activities or for government credit, maybe he thought he'd have time later when he wasn't in a plane, maybe he was not actually authorized to kill at all (note that he threatens Bane's men, but never actually dispatches any of them). As with many headscratchers, it's open for interpretation but thankfully not a plothole.

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** Any number of plausible reasons present themselves. Maybe he wanted him alive for questioning on League activities or for government credit, maybe he thought he'd have time later when he wasn't in a plane, maybe he was not actually authorized to kill at all (note that he threatens Bane's men, but never actually dispatches any of them). As with many headscratchers, it's open for interpretation but thankfully not a plothole.plot hole.



** In two of the three films, the villains have known his identity and it's cost his friends. He did have to "kill" Bruce Wayne to protect Alfred, Gordon, Fox, etc. But he did try to ease Alfred's pain, it wasn't a coincidence that he chose to have breakfast in the exact same italian cafe that Alfred mentioned earlier in the film.

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** In two of the three films, the villains have known his identity and it's cost his friends. He did have to "kill" Bruce Wayne to protect Alfred, Gordon, Fox, etc. But he did try to ease Alfred's pain, it wasn't a coincidence that he chose to have breakfast in the exact same italian Italian cafe that Alfred mentioned earlier in the film.



** Because there was ''no'' talk of a masked criminal with a possible terrorist plot. The police completely blew off Gordon's warning, so that the only people who actually knew about the whole "underground army led by a masked supervillain" thing were a handful of cops with no incentive to talk to the press. The robbery at the stock exchange was pretty public, but as far as anyone knew, Bane and his men were just ambitious submachine gun toting robbers. The press was also distracted by the return of Batman, so that they focused on him instead of Bane. By the time anyone knew there was a bonafide masked supervillain running around, the bridges had already been blown and Bane had taken over.
** More to the point, why do they ''believe'' Bane when he says that the Mayor/Commissioner conspired to lie about who Harvey Dant was? Anyone who's seen the last film knows he's telling the truth but why the citizens of Gotham didn't see him taking Gordon's speech. I know there's nobody I'd trust more than a psychotic terrorist!

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** Because there was ''no'' talk of a masked criminal with a possible terrorist plot. The police completely blew off Gordon's warning, so that the only people who actually knew about the whole "underground army led by a masked supervillain" super villain" thing were a handful of cops with no incentive to talk to the press. The robbery at the stock exchange was pretty public, but as far as anyone knew, Bane and his men were just ambitious submachine gun toting robbers. The press was also distracted by the return of Batman, so that they focused on him instead of Bane. By the time anyone knew there was a bonafide masked supervillain super villain running around, the bridges had already been blown and Bane had taken over.
** More to the point, why do they ''believe'' Bane when he says that the Mayor/Commissioner conspired to lie about who Harvey Dant Dent was? Anyone who's seen the last film knows he's telling the truth but why the citizens of Gotham didn't see him taking Gordon's speech. I know there's nobody I'd trust more than a psychotic terrorist!



*** From the shot of Bane when he gets rescued by Ra's and the league we see that there's blood on the bandages on his nose and jaw, so I'm guessing he has permament nerve damage from the botched surgery.

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*** From the shot of Bane when he gets rescued by Ra's and the league we see that there's blood on the bandages on his nose and jaw, so I'm guessing he has permament permanent nerve damage from the botched surgery.



*** It has been stated that any organised crime is pretty much gone and there only remains a small amount of street crimes left. In other words Gotham has become a place you want your kids to grow up in the 8 years between films, what would their explanation have been to get people to riot?
*** Probably along the lines that the rich is getting richer and richer while the poor is getting poorer and poorer. Most people go into crime out of desperation and now that organised crime is gone, it's even that much harder for them to make a living.

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*** It has been stated that any organised organized crime is pretty much gone and there only remains a small amount of street crimes left. In other words Gotham has become a place you want your kids to grow up in the 8 years between films, what would their explanation have been to get people to riot?
*** Probably along the lines that the rich is getting richer and richer while the poor is getting poorer and poorer. Most people go into crime out of desperation and now that organised organized crime is gone, it's even that much harder for them to make a living.



* I can buy Batman making a giant Bat symbol out of petrol on the bridge. I can buy the petrol being lit on fire on top of the ice. What I cannot buy is Batman standing perfectly still on the thin ice. With all of his armour and weapons. Can someone try to explain that?
** This one seems like either awesome FridgeBrilliance or simply a missed opportunity. Remember the ice trainig scene with Ra's in ''Film/BatmanBegins''? Bruce has finally learned to mind his surroundings. Beyond that, I would assume he simply is close enough to the shore for it not to be that fragile yet.

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* I can buy Batman making a giant Bat symbol out of petrol on the bridge. I can buy the petrol being lit on fire on top of the ice. What I cannot buy is Batman standing perfectly still on the thin ice. With all of his armour armor and weapons. Can someone try to explain that?
** This one seems like either awesome FridgeBrilliance or simply a missed opportunity. Remember the ice trainig training scene with Ra's in ''Film/BatmanBegins''? Bruce has finally learned to mind his surroundings. Beyond that, I would assume he simply is close enough to the shore for it not to be that fragile yet.



** If the OP doesn't mind, I'd like to emphasise that "really bad state" of the city refers not to Bane and his goons, and the general disarray, '''but to the frigging nuclear bomb about to go off in it'''. And all his hope-bringing-back would've done jack squat if because of his little decorating touch he would fail to disarm it in time (which is what almost happened).

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** If the OP doesn't mind, I'd like to emphasise emphasize that "really bad state" of the city refers not to Bane and his goons, and the general disarray, '''but to the frigging nuclear bomb about to go off in it'''. And all his hope-bringing-back would've done jack squat if because of his little decorating touch he would fail to disarm it in time (which is what almost happened).



* When Lucius discusses the update to Bat's systems at the end, who is he talking to? Because he's basically admitted to whoever it is both who Batman was (or at least that it was someone with access to wayne technology) and what his own involvement was. He directly asks them if there's any way he could have prevented the crash, and is not bothering to hide the fact that he designed the ship that carried the bomb.

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* When Lucius discusses the update to Bat's systems at the end, who is he talking to? Because he's basically admitted to whoever it is both who Batman was (or at least that it was someone with access to wayne Wayne technology) and what his own involvement was. He directly asks them if there's any way he could have prevented the crash, and is not bothering to hide the fact that he designed the ship that carried the bomb.



* Wouldn'd it make more scence to have Batman say "You have my permission to surrender". It just seems out of character for him to say "you have my permission to die".

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* Wouldn'd Wouldn't it make more scence sense to have Batman say "You have my permission to surrender". It just seems out of character for him to say "you have my permission to die".



* In the end, how did they manage to get Bruce Wayne declared dead without revealing he was Batman? Okay, Commisioner Gordon may have helped them, but I don't think even he could get a legal confirmation for Bruce's death if there was no identifiable body. And since there was no body, wouldn't Bruce have been considered a missing person, after which it would take a long time for him to be declared legally dead? Even though Bane's attack would probably have been considered as a likely cause of his death, it might still take years before he was determined to be [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_in_absentia dead in absentia]] (especially considering that he had a history of disappearing for long stretches of time); see the case of the supposed 9/11 victim [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneha_Anne_Philip Sneha Anne Philip]] for comparison.

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* In the end, how did they manage to get Bruce Wayne declared dead without revealing he was Batman? Okay, Commisioner Commissioner Gordon may have helped them, but I don't think even he could get a legal confirmation for Bruce's death if there was no identifiable body. And since there was no body, wouldn't Bruce have been considered a missing person, after which it would take a long time for him to be declared legally dead? Even though Bane's attack would probably have been considered as a likely cause of his death, it might still take years before he was determined to be [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_in_absentia dead in absentia]] (especially considering that he had a history of disappearing for long stretches of time); see the case of the supposed 9/11 victim [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneha_Anne_Philip Sneha Anne Philip]] for comparison.



** Thing is, Bruce ''did'' kill Harvey, albiet unintentionally, when he pushed him off the ledge to stop him from killing James Jr. That wasn't the murder Bruce was taking the fall for, it was the people that Harvey killed.

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** Thing is, Bruce ''did'' kill Harvey, albiet albeit unintentionally, when he pushed him off the ledge to stop him from killing James Jr. That wasn't the murder Bruce was taking the fall for, it was the people that Harvey killed.



* What was the point for Selina to blow up that barricade, if the military was monitoring the exits from outside and was prepared to shoot tresspassers or blow up the bridges? Didn't Batman know that?

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* What was the point for Selina to blow up that barricade, if the military was monitoring the exits from outside and was prepared to shoot tresspassers trespassers or blow up the bridges? Didn't Batman know that?



* How many tumblers did bane steal from wayne enterprises? Promotional materials say three, but in the final battle there are three tumblers with the league of shadows and somehow 2 extra tumblers guarding 2 of the trucks while battle is taking place so how many are there?

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* How many tumblers did bane steal from wayne Wayne enterprises? Promotional materials say three, but in the final battle there are three tumblers with the league of shadows and somehow 2 extra tumblers guarding 2 of the trucks while battle is taking place so how many are there?



*** A Batman who uses guns and kills is not Batman. He's just a guy in a costume, fighting crime in a crude and stupid way. That's why Batman stopped the vigilantes with guns in ''The Dark Knight'': because they were trying to kill in his name and that is no better than criminal behaviour. Batman is above and beyond killing. That's what makes him a symbol of justice, and what gives him the moral authority to go out and make a difference.

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*** A Batman who uses guns and kills is not Batman. He's just a guy in a costume, fighting crime in a crude and stupid way. That's why Batman stopped the vigilantes with guns in ''The Dark Knight'': because they were trying to kill in his name and that is no better than criminal behaviour.behavior. Batman is above and beyond killing. That's what makes him a symbol of justice, and what gives him the moral authority to go out and make a difference.



** Upon re-watch, the answer is easy to miss. After Dagget boots Wayne out of his own board meeting, Blake shows up in his cruiser to offer him a ride. Bruce asks to be dropped off in Old Town, at Selina's house. Later, Blake is looking for Bruce, so after checking his house he goes back to the last place he saw him: outside Selina's apartment.

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** Upon re-watch, the answer is easy to miss. After Dagget Daggett boots Wayne out of his own board meeting, Blake shows up in his cruiser to offer him a ride. Bruce asks to be dropped off in Old Town, at Selina's house. Later, Blake is looking for Bruce, so after checking his house he goes back to the last place he saw him: outside Selina's apartment.



* So, why do people just roll over and follow Bane's orders? The criminals I can understand, they're just happy to be free. But what about everybody else? Cuz here's Bane's speech at the football stadium in Layman's terms. "People of Gotham" (you know your reading this in Bane's voice) "I am here to free you from opression and corruption. However, you do not have the freedom to leave the city if you choose. You also now live in a police state and will be subjected to {{Kangaroo Court}}s. And if you do try to leave, we will kill you and everyone you know with a five-megaton nuclear bomb. Have a nice day!"

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* So, why do people just roll over and follow Bane's orders? The criminals I can understand, they're just happy to be free. But what about everybody else? Cuz here's Bane's speech at the football stadium in Layman's terms. "People of Gotham" (you know your reading this in Bane's voice) "I am here to free you from opression oppression and corruption. However, you do not have the freedom to leave the city if you choose. You also now live in a police state and will be subjected to {{Kangaroo Court}}s. And if you do try to leave, we will kill you and everyone you know with a five-megaton nuclear bomb. Have a nice day!"



*** It's not just them that will explode, either... it's all their friends, families, co-workers, pets, beloved sports personalities; everyone. Bane's hold over the city is a rule of ''fear;'' he's like Stalin, if Stalin had to wear an anasthetic gas mask. Most people will at least ''pretend'' to like him if that's what he wants; even if they don't care about getting killed themselves, they're not going to be responsible for their loved ones being killed. Bane removed the police and the Batman and replaced them with a bunch of ninja extremists and freed mobsters. He kept higher authorities out with the bomb threat. Law and order in the city is now whatever ''he'' says it is. Most likely the majority of people ''don't'' like this, but what do they do? If I was in that situation, I'd probably hole myself up in my apartment with a shotgun as much as I possibly could (maybe venturing out to try and find food now and then) but I certainly wouldn't try to stand against Bane or his friends; if any League of Shadows folks came a knockin' and asked how I liked Bane I'd say, "Bane? He's a super-duper great guy! I love his mask and his coat and especially his love of ''not detonating my loved ones''. Seriously, please don't kill everyone I know."

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*** It's not just them that will explode, either... it's all their friends, families, co-workers, pets, beloved sports personalities; everyone. Bane's hold over the city is a rule of ''fear;'' he's like Stalin, if Stalin had to wear an anasthetic anesthetic gas mask. Most people will at least ''pretend'' to like him if that's what he wants; even if they don't care about getting killed themselves, they're not going to be responsible for their loved ones being killed. Bane removed the police and the Batman and replaced them with a bunch of ninja extremists and freed mobsters. He kept higher authorities out with the bomb threat. Law and order in the city is now whatever ''he'' says it is. Most likely the majority of people ''don't'' like this, but what do they do? If I was in that situation, I'd probably hole myself up in my apartment with a shotgun as much as I possibly could (maybe venturing out to try and find food now and then) but I certainly wouldn't try to stand against Bane or his friends; if any League of Shadows folks came a knockin' and asked how I liked Bane I'd say, "Bane? He's a super-duper great guy! I love his mask and his coat and especially his love of ''not detonating my loved ones''. Seriously, please don't kill everyone I know."



* While I'm definitely not denying that people with records often have a hard time finding legitimate work, would it really be so impossible for Selina? There are organisations that specifically help ex-cons find work. There are businesses that seek out talented ex-criminals due to the fact that they can help catch/stop people who try to commit the crimes they once committed. Selina is very intelligent, tenacious, and physically capable. She also has the privileges inherent in being young, white, and pretty.
** She's not an ex-con who's served her sentence and is having trouble finding work from the stigma--she is a career criminal who has ''escaped'' from being held, and would be wanted for several recent crimes. Those programs are for people who've been arrested, convicted, and finished their jailtime--not for people who are still active criminals who have no intention of being caught and serving time.

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* While I'm definitely not denying that people with records often have a hard time finding legitimate work, would it really be so impossible for Selina? There are organisations organizations that specifically help ex-cons find work. There are businesses that seek out talented ex-criminals due to the fact that they can help catch/stop people who try to commit the crimes they once committed. Selina is very intelligent, tenacious, and physically capable. She also has the privileges inherent in being young, white, and pretty.
** She's not an ex-con who's served her sentence and is having trouble finding work from the stigma--she is a career criminal who has ''escaped'' from being held, and would be wanted for several recent crimes. Those programs are for people who've been arrested, convicted, and finished their jailtime--not jail time--not for people who are still active criminals who have no intention of being caught and serving time.



** Bane's escape plan involved jumping over the cop cars using the anti-truck bomb barriers as a ramp on his dirtbikes. As for the other part of your comment, it would be stranger if the police had no basic strategy for parking their cars in a hostage situation. After all, they need to use them as cover and as barricades, and if the officers just parked them wherever they wanted, it could create a logjam. If the police have a strategy for parking, Bane can learn it and exploit it.

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** Bane's escape plan involved jumping over the cop cars using the anti-truck bomb barriers as a ramp on his dirtbikes.dirt bikes. As for the other part of your comment, it would be stranger if the police had no basic strategy for parking their cars in a hostage situation. After all, they need to use them as cover and as barricades, and if the officers just parked them wherever they wanted, it could create a logjam. If the police have a strategy for parking, Bane can learn it and exploit it.



** To the first question shooting Bane might have been too big a risk when you had targets still in your face to deal with and Batman appeared to have it in hand. Batman's relationship with the police is complex in the Dark Knight trilogy and between Gordan admitting that the Bat didn't kill Harvey Dent, he took the blame because destroying Dent was seen as too high a price. When he shows up to the initial chase the only cop who appears to REALLY care about catching Batman just happens to be in charge and the cops don't disobey orders, at least one of them exclaimed "Your in for a show tonight kid." Between that and the NUKE they still had in their city even the most skeptical of cops probably figured something along the lines of "If we're still alive we can try to catch him in the morning." As for Bane punching through solid stone he is BASED on comic book Bane and probably had some measure of super strength. Probably based on the mask, he maybe doing A LOT of damage to himself but it blocks enough pain and possibly turns off those pesky limiters that humans have built in to prevent us from hurting ourselves.

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** To the first question shooting Bane might have been too big a risk when you had targets still in your face to deal with and Batman appeared to have it in hand. Batman's relationship with the police is complex in the Dark Knight trilogy and between Gordan Gordon admitting that the Bat didn't kill Harvey Dent, he took the blame because destroying Dent was seen as too high a price. When he shows up to the initial chase the only cop who appears to REALLY care about catching Batman just happens to be in charge and the cops don't disobey orders, at least one of them exclaimed "Your in for a show tonight kid." Between that and the NUKE they still had in their city even the most skeptical of cops probably figured something along the lines of "If we're still alive we can try to catch him in the morning." As for Bane punching through solid stone he is BASED on comic book Bane and probably had some measure of super strength. Probably based on the mask, he maybe doing A LOT of damage to himself but it blocks enough pain and possibly turns off those pesky limiters that humans have built in to prevent us from hurting ourselves.



* Why didn't Bane just seal up the ventilation in the tunnels holding the cops and then pump in carbon monoxide? Why did he want the police to survive until the nuke went off? He could have just ''lied'' to the people of Gotham about the police being alive - after all, his men controlled the only remaining entrances to the tunnels. Even if he never conceived of Bruce's return, Bane failed to even consider that the cops might find a way to escape on their own. Killing them off would have at least reduced the miniscule possibility of a threat to his plans to zero possibility.

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* Why didn't Bane just seal up the ventilation in the tunnels holding the cops and then pump in carbon monoxide? Why did he want the police to survive until the nuke went off? He could have just ''lied'' to the people of Gotham about the police being alive - after all, his men controlled the only remaining entrances to the tunnels. Even if he never conceived of Bruce's return, Bane failed to even consider that the cops might find a way to escape on their own. Killing them off would have at least reduced the miniscule minuscule possibility of a threat to his plans to zero possibility.



** Very yes. For example, Both Fatman and Little Boy detonated several hundred feets over their targets, and the bombs certainly did leave such clouds.

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** Very yes. For example, Both Fatman and Little Boy detonated several hundred feets feet over their targets, and the bombs certainly did leave such clouds.
21st Aug '17 5:37:15 PM AlexDKZ
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** Even if Bruce may be penniless, Selina isn't.
4th Aug '17 4:49:37 PM costanton11
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* How did Selina manage to steal Bruce's car by claiming to be his wife? Bruce Wayne was one of the most famous people in the city, and judging by the paparazzi's remarks, still pretty well known. It would like one of us managing to steal Donald Drumpf's car by pretending we are Mrs. Drumpf. Wouldn't the valet would have questioned her, even if she had the ticket?

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* How did Selina manage to steal Bruce's car by claiming to be his wife? Bruce Wayne was one of the most famous people in the city, and judging by the paparazzi's remarks, still pretty well known. It would like one of us managing to steal Donald Drumpf's Trump's car by pretending we are Mrs. Drumpf.Trump. Wouldn't the valet would have questioned her, even if she had the ticket?



** ...is Donald Drumpf not married?
** The only reason the average person knows what Donald Drumpf's family looks like is because he's an attention whore. The same could be said for any other rich/famous person talk and portrayed in the media. Yes Bruce Wayne is famous, but he's been reclusive for years. It's not that far of a stretch for Selina to convince the valet that she's his new wife who turned Bruce's life around and is bring him back into the `public eye or something along those lines.

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** ...is Donald Drumpf Trump not married?
** The only reason the average person knows what Donald Drumpf's Trump's family looks like is because he's an attention whore. The same could be said for any other rich/famous person talk and portrayed in the media. Yes Bruce Wayne is famous, but he's been reclusive for years. It's not that far of a stretch for Selina to convince the valet that she's his new wife who turned Bruce's life around and is bring him back into the `public eye or something along those lines.
4th Aug '17 4:46:30 PM costanton11
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** As for why no one disregards his orders, given that Foley is the favorite to become the next commissioner, they might go along with it hoping to score some points with the new boss and possibly be rewarded with promotions.

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** As for why no one disregards his orders, given that Foley is the favorite to become the next commissioner, they might go along with it hoping to score some brownie points with the new boss and possibly be rewarded with promotions.
18th Jul '17 9:01:31 AM Rotide
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*** Speaking from about 6 years in the future here; the movie came out, the high heels still don't make sense aside from a throwaway scene that exists seemingly ''just'' to justify her wearing those heels.



* How did Selina manage to steal Bruce's car by claiming to be his wife? Bruce Wayne was one of the most famous people in the city, and judging by the paparazzi's remarks, still pretty well known. It would like one of us managing to steal Donald Trump's car by pretending we are Mrs. Trump. Wouldn't the valet would have questioned her, even if she had the ticket?

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* How did Selina manage to steal Bruce's car by claiming to be his wife? Bruce Wayne was one of the most famous people in the city, and judging by the paparazzi's remarks, still pretty well known. It would like one of us managing to steal Donald Trump's Drumpf's car by pretending we are Mrs. Trump.Drumpf. Wouldn't the valet would have questioned her, even if she had the ticket?



** ...is Donald Trump not married?
** The only reason the average person knows what Donald Trump's family looks like is because he's an attention whore. The same could be said for any other rich/famous person talk and portrayed in the media. Yes Bruce Wayne is famous, but he's been reclusive for years. It's not that far of a stretch for Selina to convince the valet that she's his new wife who turned Bruce's life around and is bring him back into the `public eye or something along those lines.

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** ...is Donald Trump Drumpf not married?
** The only reason the average person knows what Donald Trump's Drumpf's family looks like is because he's an attention whore. The same could be said for any other rich/famous person talk and portrayed in the media. Yes Bruce Wayne is famous, but he's been reclusive for years. It's not that far of a stretch for Selina to convince the valet that she's his new wife who turned Bruce's life around and is bring him back into the `public eye or something along those lines.
8th Jul '17 8:37:03 PM ritzoreo
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** Foley's a careerist, publicity-hungry, and not exactly the finest example of a competent high-ranking police officer. He's cocky, over-confident, over-promoted and wants the glory of catching the most notorious murderer in Gotham's history over a couple of admittedly pretty daring robbers. He makes careless mistakes because he's careless and prone to making mistakes.

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** Foley's a careerist, publicity-hungry, and not exactly the finest example of a competent high-ranking police officer. He's cocky, over-confident, over-promoted [[ThePeterPrinciple over-promoted]] and wants the glory of catching the most notorious murderer in Gotham's history over a couple of admittedly pretty daring robbers. He makes careless mistakes because he's careless and prone to making mistakes.
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