History Headscratchers / TheDarkKnightRises

21st Jul '16 2:09:15 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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*** Which is entirely the point. Even at his best, Bane doesn't believe that Bruce can make it out of the pit. Talia was the only one to have ever done so. Since Bane believes himself stronger than Bruce, and Bane was never able to make it out by himself, despite generally being DangerouslyGenreSavvy, Bane lets his pride take the better of him on this one. It makes sense that Bane would want Bruce healed to his best, because that increases the false hope. In Bane's mind, the stronger Bruce gets, the more he's going to try to make it out of the pit and the more he'll fail, thus destroying his morale. It's the perfect mental torture that Bane was going for all along.

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*** Which is entirely the point. Even at his best, Bane doesn't believe that Bruce can make it out of the pit. Talia was the only one to have ever done so. Since Bane believes himself stronger than Bruce, and Bane was never able to make it out by himself, despite generally being DangerouslyGenreSavvy, Bane lets his pride take the better of him on this one. It makes sense that Bane would want Bruce healed to his best, because that increases the false hope. In Bane's mind, the stronger Bruce gets, the more he's going to try to make it out of the pit and the more he'll fail, thus destroying his morale. It's the perfect mental torture that Bane was going for all along.
16th Jul '16 4:59:24 PM dmcreif
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* So during the chase after the stock exchange, Foley seems to divert the cops from chasing Bane's crew to chasing Batman when Batman shows up. My question is, why couldn't Foley have had some units continue to chase Bane while the others chased Batman? It shouldn't matter if even just two units were chasing Bane, as he wouldn't be able to get away, since Bane doesn't have what the police have - two-way radios, air support, and spike strips.

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* So during the chase after the stock exchange, Foley seems to divert the cops from chasing Bane's crew to chasing Batman when Batman shows up. My question is, why couldn't Foley have had some units continue to chase Bane while the others chased Batman? It shouldn't matter if even just two units were chasing Bane, as he wouldn't be able to get away, since Bane doesn't have what the police have - two-way radios, air support, and spike strips. Look, I can understand the cops not considering Bane as a high a priority since he didn't have a hostage on his motorcycle, but it is absolutely stupid and inexcusable for the police to completely disregard one of the robbers. It's careless that the cops so nonchalantly chase Batman without diverting a few units to the red helmet-wearing robber. Not because it turns out to be Bane, but because it just makes no logical sense at all that cops would behave this way. I would think a few cops would be disregarding Foley's orders in real life and pursue Bane, even if they'd risk being written up for insubordination.
16th Jul '16 4:55:17 PM dmcreif
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* So during the chase after the stock exchange, Foley seems to divert the cops from chasing Bane's crew to chasing Batman when Batman shows up. My question is, why couldn't Foley have had some units continue to chase Bane while the others chased Batman? It shouldn't matter if even just two units were chasing Bane, as he wouldn't be able to get away, since Bane doesn't have what the police have - two-way radios, air support, and spike strips.
21st Jun '16 9:29:47 AM DoctorNemesis
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** If Blake becomes Batman, then this headscratcher's easy; he simply finds a different way to do it, one that plays more to his particular strengths and skills. Bruce Wayne went the 'ninja' route, but that's not the only possible way to do Batman. For one thing, John Blake is a detective -- "World's Greatest Detective", anyone?
21st Jun '16 9:18:32 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** Consider who we're discussing, however; a rather anti-social, emotionally stunted and isolated man with some major issues around love, human connection and abandonment. Yeah, for most people that would just be a simple one night stand, but for Bruce Wayne -- who in eight years hadn't gotten over the death of the only woman he'd ever truly felt he loved, never mind the deaths of his parents years before, and had lived in near-complete isolation as a result -- that one act of sleeping with someone is an incredibly emotionally significant thing to do. Yeah, I can see Bruce having fallen for Miranda (or convinced himself of that at least).
21st Jun '16 8:50:43 AM DoctorNemesis
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** Both of them were right and neither of them were right. Because people both individually and as a whole are more complicated than "everyone's going to devour each other in times of crisis!" and "everyone's going to be a saint in times of crisis!", and anyone who says otherwise is, frankly, a fool. Some people crumble and become their worst selves in tough times, and some people rise and become their better selves, and some people find themselves somewhere in between.
21st Jun '16 8:30:53 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** The guy's not a billionaire, but that doesn't make him homeless. He probably has an apartment somewhere he can use as a base. In any case, the cave itself might not be the most luxurious surroundings in the world, but as somewhere for basic shelter it would do in a pinch. It's not like anyone else knows it's there or is using it.
10th May '16 12:53:17 AM erforce
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** Forget about the armor. There is no way Batman should have lost that fight -- in Dark Knight, he has the [[PowerFist pneumatic mangler]], which enables him to bend gun barrels and tear sheet metal. In TDKR, he has powered leg braces that let him kick through brick walls. Bane may feel no pain, but unless he has [[Film/{{Terminator}} hyper-alloy endoskeleton]], Batman should have crushed and snapped many of his bones. (Unlike [[ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns the work that the movie mostly draws inspiration from]], where Batman must prove himself stronger in front of the Mutant gang, Batman has no reason to fight fair here, especially once Bane broke into the armory.)

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** Forget about the armor. There is no way Batman should have lost that fight -- in Dark Knight, he has the [[PowerFist pneumatic mangler]], which enables him to bend gun barrels and tear sheet metal. In TDKR, he has powered leg braces that let him kick through brick walls. Bane may feel no pain, but unless he has [[Film/{{Terminator}} [[Franchise/{{Terminator}} hyper-alloy endoskeleton]], Batman should have crushed and snapped many of his bones. (Unlike [[ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns the work that the movie mostly draws inspiration from]], where Batman must prove himself stronger in front of the Mutant gang, Batman has no reason to fight fair here, especially once Bane broke into the armory.)
9th May '16 5:48:29 PM costanton11
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** Why would he bother at this point?

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** Why would he bother at this point?point? There's nothing to gain from it and the fact that Batman saved his live probably earned him enough respect to keep his secret.
7th Apr '16 3:28:35 PM costanton11
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*** The problem is that the scene with Blake finding the boy seems to set up how he was able to find Gordon, since he knew from the incident from the boy where the sewer would lead so he went there to find Gordon. It doesn't make much sense for the scene with Gordon to be before the scene with the boy, unless the writers originally wrote it like that, then though it was too unlikely that Blake would know where Gordon was, and thus rearranged the scenes so that orphan scene would provide an explanation, but they missed the issue that this created with Gordon still having the speech.

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*** The problem is that the scene with Blake finding the boy seems to set up how he was able to find Gordon, since he knew from the incident from the boy where the sewer would lead so he went there to find Gordon. It doesn't make much sense for the scene with Gordon to be before the scene with the boy, unless the writers originally wrote it like that, then though thought it was too unlikely that Blake would know where Gordon was, and thus rearranged the scenes so that orphan scene would provide an explanation, but they missed the issue that this created with Gordon still having the speech.
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