History Headscratchers / TheDarkKnight

19th Oct '16 7:59:19 AM dlchen145
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** ....and? It drives home a very real fact: no matter how BadAss you are, if some jerk with a death wish gets the drop on you, you're ''dead''. It can happen to Dent, and it can happen to Batman, too.

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** ....and? It drives home a very real fact: no matter how BadAss badass you are, if some jerk with a death wish gets the drop on you, you're ''dead''. It can happen to Dent, and it can happen to Batman, too.
14th Oct '16 10:04:27 PM dmcreif
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* In the prologue, the Joker has every bank robber kill another, at which point they are then killed themselves, EG. Happy kills Dopey, Grumpy kills Happy, the Bus Driver kills Grumpy, the Joker kills the Bus driver. But Chuckles is shot by William Fintcher; did Joker anticipate this happening? Was Chuckles part of the plan?
** Joker's good at improvising. If the guy hadn't shot Chuckles, Joker probably would have.

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* In the prologue, the Joker has every bank robber kill another, at which point they are then killed themselves, EG. Happy kills Dopey, Grumpy kills Happy, the Bus Driver kills Grumpy, the Joker kills the Bus driver. But Chuckles is shot by William Fintcher; did the bank manager. Did Joker anticipate this happening? Was Chuckles part of the plan?
** Joker's good at improvising. If It's never made clear. It's possible that the guy hadn't Joker didn't plan on this. Had that been the case, Chuckles would've killed Grumpy, as Grumpy had shot Happy, the bus driver would've killed Chuckles, and the Joker probably would have.
still kill the bus driver. But the Joker also is known for thinking on his feet, and since he knew that this was a mob bank, he could've already assumed the manager was packing. Thus he had Chuckles stand, with back to the door, so the manager would take him out, and then had Grumpy place the bags by the door so he'd be run over by the bus.



* The convoy chase scene in The Dark Knight where they divert down onto Lower Fifth. Bearing in mind that this is a police convoy on closed streets, it would have been entirely possible to bend the laws of the road to stick to their defined route and keep their air support. Yes, it was an attempt to draw out the Joker, but that's not a good excuse to waltz into an unknown trap.
** Wasn't their planned route blocked by, y'know, ''a flaming fire truck? The most important thing for a convoy to do is to keep moving, even if you suspect an ambush.

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* The convoy chase scene in The Dark Knight scene, where they divert down onto Lower Fifth.Wacker Drive. Bearing in mind that this is a police convoy on closed streets, it would have been entirely possible to bend the laws of the road to stick to their defined route and keep their air support. Yes, it was an attempt to draw out the Joker, but that's not a good excuse to waltz into an unknown trap.
** Wasn't their planned route blocked by, y'know, ''a a flaming fire truck? The most important thing for a convoy to do is to keep moving, even if you suspect an ambush.



** If you take a close look at the top of the shot (maybe easier if you have the IMAX view) the "wrong side" is actually blocked by police vehicles to prevent oncoming traffic from passing through. The convoy would've had to stop in order for the blockade to be removed, and ''any'' amount of stop time could mean death. Taking Lower Main was the "best" option.

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** If you take a close look at the top of the shot (maybe easier if you have the IMAX view) the "wrong side" is actually blocked by police vehicles to prevent oncoming traffic from passing through. The convoy would've had to stop in order for the blockade to be removed, and ''any'' amount of stop time could mean death. Taking Moving to Lower Main Wacker Drive was the "best" option.
***They could've just rammed the blocking cars.



** One has to assume that the Joker set them up at the first off-route off "Lower Fifth," assuming that if they made it out of his trap they would immediately look for air support.

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** One has to assume that the Joker set them up at the first off-route off "Lower Fifth," of Wacker Drive, assuming that if they made it out of his trap they would immediately look for air support.
7th Oct '16 8:17:41 AM FlashSteps
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** That story falls apart in seconds. How would random mob thugs go to all the trouble of kidknapping the PC's family? Why didn't Dent go to the authorities after the hospital explosion? Where are these thugs now? Why are these thugs killing cops that worked for the mob?

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** That story falls apart in seconds. How would random mob thugs go to all the trouble of kidknapping kidnapping the PC's family? Why didn't Dent go to the authorities after the hospital explosion? Where are these thugs now? Why are these thugs killing cops that worked for the mob?


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[[folder:Chuckles and Fintcher]]
* In the prologue, the Joker has every bank robber kill another, at which point they are then killed themselves, EG. Happy kills Dopey, Grumpy kills Happy, the Bus Driver kills Grumpy, the Joker kills the Bus driver. But Chuckles is shot by William Fintcher; did Joker anticipate this happening? Was Chuckles part of the plan?
** Joker's good at improvising. If the guy hadn't shot Chuckles, Joker probably would have.

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[[folder:Convoy chase and the trap]]

* The convoy chase scene in The Dark Knight where they divert down onto Lower Fifth. Bearing in mind that this is a police convoy on closed streets, it would have been entirely possible to bend the laws of the road to stick to their defined route and keep their air support. Yes, it was an attempt to draw out the Joker, but that's not a good excuse to waltz into an unknown trap.
** Wasn't their planned route blocked by, y'know, ''a flaming fire truck? The most important thing for a convoy to do is to keep moving, even if you suspect an ambush.
** Their side of the road was blocked, the "wrong side" of the road was available, and there was no on-coming traffic because the police had cleared the route.
** If you take a close look at the top of the shot (maybe easier if you have the IMAX view) the "wrong side" is actually blocked by police vehicles to prevent oncoming traffic from passing through. The convoy would've had to stop in order for the blockade to be removed, and ''any'' amount of stop time could mean death. Taking Lower Main was the "best" option.

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[[folder:Chase and lines]]

* Also in the chase scene, how did the clowns know where to launch their lines to fuck up the helicopter? It could've ascended at any time.
** One has to assume that the Joker set them up at the first off-route off "Lower Fifth," assuming that if they made it out of his trap they would immediately look for air support.
** What the original troper asked still holds though. You're talking about them setting up on a specific street and pair of buildings, which is fine to a point. But what if the chopper ascended or descended from that height? How many more line shooters does Joker have throughout the buildings, or over that whole block?

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[[folder:Five chairs]]

* If the giant sonar grid imager was only to be used by Lucius Fox and Bruce knew it would be destroyed after the Joker was captured, why does it have five identical chairs and computer stations?
** Looks. It's in a (for Batman) public area that more people than just Lucius can get into. Even if Wayne restricted access to that room, someone had to build it. Hence the need for it to look normal. Another option could be that the computer was repurposed from something else and tossing out the extra chairs was an unnecessary opening for questions.
** For that matter, it might have taken a whole bunch of programmers to build. You might need five very good coders to finish that sort of thing, even after it was mostly assembled.

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23rd Sep '16 7:31:55 AM MrDeath
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** He explains this in the scene. He wants to punish Gordon, and to inflict on him the same pain he himself felt. Also, he's kind of insane. He's ''not'' thinking logically. Why do you expect him to?
23rd Sep '16 2:06:36 AM SuperMagneto
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* Okay, I understand the death of a girlfriend, and having half of your face burned off, can cause a man to snap and kill everyone responsible, but to put a gun to a child's head? I thought he was only going after the crooks and corrupt cops like a Punisher time anti-hero, but Gordon's family are innocent.

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* Okay, I understand the death of a girlfriend, and having half of your face burned off, can cause a man to snap and kill everyone responsible, but to put a gun to a child's head? I thought he was only going after the crooks and corrupt cops like a Punisher time type anti-hero, but Gordon's family are innocent.
23rd Sep '16 2:04:03 AM SuperMagneto
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* Okay, I understand the death of a girlfriend, and having half of your face burned off, can cause a man to snap and kill everyone responsible, but to put a gun to a child's head? I thought he was only going after the crooks and corrupt cops like a Punisher time anti-hero, but the kid is innocent. That part makes him come off villainous.

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Gordon's wife and kids"]]
* Okay, I understand the death of a girlfriend, and having half of your face burned off, can cause a man to snap and kill everyone responsible, but to put a gun to a child's head? I thought he was only going after the crooks and corrupt cops like a Punisher time anti-hero, but the kid is Gordon's family are innocent. That part makes him come off villainous.
23rd Sep '16 1:59:41 AM SuperMagneto
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* Okay, I understand the death of a girlfriend, and having half of your face burned off, can cause a man to snap and kill everyone responsible, but to put a gun to a child's head?

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* Okay, I understand the death of a girlfriend, and having half of your face burned off, can cause a man to snap and kill everyone responsible, but to put a gun to a child's head? I thought he was only going after the crooks and corrupt cops like a Punisher time anti-hero, but the kid is innocent. That part makes him come off villainous.
23rd Sep '16 1:54:52 AM SuperMagneto
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* Okay, I understand the death of a girlfriend, and having half of your face burned off, can cause a man to snap and kill everyone responsible, but to put a gun to a child's head?
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29th Jul '16 1:21:04 PM morenohijazo
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** It occurred to me, to, but this was the classic Prisoner's Dilemma. Could you trust that those on the other boat [[spoiler:would ''not'' blow the ship up if they were wrong?]]

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** It occurred to me, to, but this was the classic Prisoner's Dilemma.PrisonersDilemma. Could you trust that those on the other boat [[spoiler:would ''not'' blow the ship up if they were wrong?]]
12th Jun '16 5:50:31 PM Tightwire
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*** That's because Batman didn't intend to kill Harvey Dent. Batman was trying to save Gordon's son, and Dent's fall to his death was an unfortunate accident that resulted. It was involuntary manslaughter.

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*** That's because Batman didn't intend to kill Harvey Dent. Batman was trying to save Gordon's son, son - letting his life hang on a coin flip was just too big a risk - and Dent's fall to his death was an unfortunate accident that resulted. It was involuntary manslaughter.manslaughter.


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** What's worrying is the CrazyPrepared notion here. That device, and these phones were being created and sold for months before the Joker showed up. This is why it's unethical - it wasn't invented just to find somebody as dangerous as the Joker; Batman made it just in case he needed to spy on everybody. Suppose the phone was global? He could spy on the world. Precedent is a dangerous thing.
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