History Headscratchers / TheDarkKnight

29th Jul '16 1:21:04 PM morenohijazo
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** It occurred to me, to, but this was the classic Prisoner's Dilemma. Could you trust that those on the other boat [[spoiler:would ''not'' blow the ship up if they were wrong?]]

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** It occurred to me, to, but this was the classic Prisoner's Dilemma.PrisonersDilemma. Could you trust that those on the other boat [[spoiler:would ''not'' blow the ship up if they were wrong?]]
12th Jun '16 5:50:31 PM Tightwire
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*** That's because Batman didn't intend to kill Harvey Dent. Batman was trying to save Gordon's son, and Dent's fall to his death was an unfortunate accident that resulted. It was involuntary manslaughter.

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*** That's because Batman didn't intend to kill Harvey Dent. Batman was trying to save Gordon's son, son - letting his life hang on a coin flip was just too big a risk - and Dent's fall to his death was an unfortunate accident that resulted. It was involuntary manslaughter.manslaughter.


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** What's worrying is the CrazyPrepared notion here. That device, and these phones were being created and sold for months before the Joker showed up. This is why it's unethical - it wasn't invented just to find somebody as dangerous as the Joker; Batman made it just in case he needed to spy on everybody. Suppose the phone was global? He could spy on the world. Precedent is a dangerous thing.
7th Jun '16 2:04:42 AM FlashSteps
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** Disagree. Beyond being a funny VisualPun, we only see one side of the joker card. He probably wrote the number on the other side. He's psycho and "an agent of chaos", yes, but at this point he genuinely intends for them to contact him so he can burn their money and use it to help fund his war against Batman. He kills Gambol because a) he put a hit out on him b) he's the only mob leader to refuse his "business offer" and c) to send a message to the other leaders. And it's clear they did contact him as a response to their accountant's arrest. Maroni also has at least a working idea of where to find him. Personally in their shoes I'd much rather ''call'' him than physically seek him out. Not that even a phone call is straightforward and risk-free when dealing with the Joker.
3rd Jun '16 3:07:38 PM costanton11
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*** They had already taken off the suit by the time he had regained consciousness. He wouldn't have been able to resist them removing the suit like he did with the skin grafts, so by the tim he would have made a fuss about it, it would have been long gone.

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*** They had already taken off the suit by the time he had regained consciousness. He wouldn't have been able to resist them removing the suit like he did with the skin grafts, so by the tim time he would have made a fuss about it, it would have been long gone.



*** He ''did'' screw up big time, he went state's evidence against the mob. It's clear from the scene that he's Dent's star witness against Maroni, and it's not like Maroni would deliberately get himself indicted. This guy was probably offered a chance to make things right, like Pantangele (sp?) from Godfather 2, and took it.

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*** He ''did'' screw up big time, he went state's evidence against the mob. It's clear from the scene that he's Dent's star witness against Maroni, and it's not like Maroni would deliberately get himself indicted. This guy was probably offered a chance to make things right, like Pantangele (sp?) Pentangeli from Godfather 2, and took it.



** It's not about taking the blame. It's about being willing to kill. The "blame" would've been on the vote. It's a victory for Gotham because even among the people on the boat who voted to kill, ''none of them went through with it.'' Actions speak louder than a vote for someone else to do something. And the action here is that they didn't pull the trigger.

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** It's not about taking the blame. It's about being willing to kill. The "blame" would've been on the vote. It's a victory for Gotham because even among the people on the boat who voted to kill, ''none of them went through with it.'' Actions It's one thing to say that you would do something hypothetically and another thing to actually do it when given the opportunity. The old saying goes "actions speak louder than words." In this case, actions speak louder than a vote for someone else to do something. And the action here is that they didn't pull the trigger.


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** Harvey doesn't seem to care what happens to him afterwards. He seemed disappointed when his coin ended up heads. He probably doesn't have a plan for what happens if Gordon is spared.
2nd Jun '16 8:24:51 PM costanton11
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*** True, but you'd think that when the civilians were arguing over blowing up the other boat, someone would bring that up as a counterpoint.
29th May '16 7:50:25 PM dmcreif
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***Why couldn't he have done another KansasCityShuffle?


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**There were a couple hundred people on both boats. Maybe the inmate on the prison boat probably considered that, and what's to say that some of the people on the civilian boat didn't think that, too?


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**Well, he wasn't invited to the meeting. He only made clear what he was up to when he [[EyeScream made that pencil disappear]]. And the Joker probably never intended for them to contact him at all, given how shortly afterwards he kills off Gambol.
17th May '16 11:55:35 PM AP
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** He flipped for Joker. It just came out heads, so he let him live. He had no possibility of a LoopholeAbuse, unlike Maroni. If Joker was in a car at the time, it's entirely possible Dent would have pulled the same trick. Additionally, if Maroni wasn't in a car, he might've lived through the movie. I think it was mostly a matter of the opportunity presenting itself. Dent wasn't exactly in a good place by this time.


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[[folder:"Here's my card."]]
Obviously, the mob has no idea who the Joker is, so he leaves a calling-card for them to contact him. The thing is, the calling card was a simple joker card from a normal playing deck. There appeared to be no phone number or any contact information. How did the mob contact him? What's the point of the card outside of a visual pun?
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7th Apr '16 10:50:23 AM costanton11
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** Plus, even if they tried to rationalize it by saying that their families would die if they don't blow u the other boat, there would still be a nagging sense that the true reason that they did was because they themselves didn't want to die. In other words, they would have killed all the people on the prisoners' boat, including the innocent guards and crew members, because they didn't want to face death. Maybe they didn't want to live with the guilt.

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** Plus, even if they tried to rationalize it by saying that their families would die if they don't blow u up the other boat, there would still be a nagging sense that the true reason that they did was because they themselves didn't want to die. In other words, they would have killed all the people on the prisoners' boat, including the innocent guards and crew members, because they didn't want to face death. Maybe they didn't want to live with the guilt.



** What, and piss off the Joker ''more''? If he keeps quiet and lasts the hour, he's in the clear. If he deliberately spoils the Joker's fun, well, the Joker's not going to be happy about that.

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** What, and piss off the Joker ''more''? If he keeps quiet and lasts the hour, he's in the clear. If he deliberately spoils the Joker's fun, when the Joker said he didn't want Batman to be caught, well, the Joker's not going to be happy about that.
7th Apr '16 10:41:36 AM costanton11
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*** They had already taken off the suit by the time he had regained consciousness. He wouldn't have been able to resist them removing the suit like he did with the skin grafts, so by the tim he would have made a fuss about it, it would have been long gone.



*** Given how the Joker's motif seems to be showing the ugliness in everyone, it seems likely that if the civilians had blown up the boat with the criminals, he could have called them up on the radio and said that this proved that they were no better than the prisoners, since they killed in order to stay alive.



[[folder:Why would Batman Kill dent?]]

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[[folder:Why would Batman Kill dent?]]Dent?]]


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*** The person was describing his initial reaction upon seeing the movie. It is easy to miss details and not think things through logically when caught up in the oil fro the first time.


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** Plus, even if they tried to rationalize it by saying that their families would die if they don't blow u the other boat, there would still be a nagging sense that the true reason that they did was because they themselves didn't want to die. In other words, they would have killed all the people on the prisoners' boat, including the innocent guards and crew members, because they didn't want to face death. Maybe they didn't want to live with the guilt.


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[[folder:Innocents on the prisoner boat]]
* There is a big moral debate among the civilians on the boat over whether killing the prisoners is justified. But why doesn't anyone consider that they would also be killing the prison guards and the ship's crew onboard as well?
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18th Mar '16 6:00:10 PM costanton11
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** It has been announced [[spoiler:that the villains of The Dark Knight Rises will be Bane and Selina Kyle.]]
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