History Headscratchers / TheButterflyEffect

20th Aug '15 9:15:22 AM Talia_T
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*** I bought it. He had an intense personality (his psychotic actions are all prompted by the idea that Evan and Kayley becoming a couple will mean his bond with his sister will be weakened, and in that reality, she's all he has. In the religious reality, Evan and Kayley are not a couple, and although Kayley is dating Lenny, Tommy's friendship with Evan and Lenny is visibly much stronger than the other realities, probably due to him saving the lady and her baby and proving that he's not 100% twisted. So he can withstand her having an independent life.) and an abusive history, both of which would make him a prime candidate for someone who goes full-whack into a belief system.
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*** ** I bought it. He had an intense personality (his psychotic actions are all prompted by the idea that Evan and Kayley becoming a couple will mean his bond with his sister will be weakened, and in that reality, she's all he has. In the religious reality, Evan and Kayley are not a couple, and although Kayley is dating Lenny, Tommy's friendship with Evan and Lenny is visibly much stronger than the other realities, probably due to him saving the lady and her baby and proving that he's not 100% twisted. So he can withstand her having an independent life.) and an abusive history, both of which would make him a prime candidate for someone who goes full-whack into a belief system. *** Tommy's reasoning for being so angry at Evan in the first timeline was that Evan was taking Kayley away, as the above trooper pointed out - in his words "the only person on the planet who doesn't think I'm a piece of shit?". My guess is saving the woman and baby turned Tommy into a better person was the fact that he then had others who admired him for being a hero
19th Aug '15 1:32:33 PM Homemaderat
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** While it's not perfect, we should also remember the first time travel change he makes is accidentally burning himself with the cigarette. He acts like this is new, and it didn't seem to change anything timeline wise....or did it?
20th Apr '15 12:43:20 AM Reika
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** Because he can only go back in time if he has a physical memory of it (the journals, photographs, home movies). He didn't have a physical memory of a few days before Tommy's demise and thus couldn't time travel to that point.
13th Apr '14 10:20:51 PM scrissle
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* Out of all of the crapsack timelines Evan got himself into, I have to wonder about the frat boy one, where Kayleigh is okay and happy and they're together. Everything seemed great and to be going well until Tommy appeared and then Evan killed him, making it so Evan pretty much ruined a perfectly good timeline for himself. My question is, why didn't he just go back in time to a day or two before and stop himself from killing Evan after he'd pepper sprayed him to the ground? Sure, maybe Tommy wouldn't have been very well off, but it would have been the most acceptable timeline that doesn't end in Evan removing himself from their lives.
20th Feb '14 10:20:01 AM ViolaCesario
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** I never thought the movie was blaming Evan for everyone's problems (theatrical cut only). It's just that he couldn't reliably change Mr. Miller and could only control his own actions. Keeping Kayleigh away from him meant keeping her away from her abusive father, so making sure they never became friends was more of a HeroicSacrifice than a result of Evan messing up everyone's lives without that change. He was protecting her from her father, not from himself.
28th Jan '14 4:58:40 PM BrendanDRizzo
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* Why does nobody hold Kayleigh and Tommy's father responsible for everyone's misery? He sexually abused them (and possibly Evan as well) for crying out loud. Yet the movie seems to place the blame for everyone's misfortune entirely on Evan existing, ignoring the fact that there was nothing he could have done to stop Kayleigh's father before he discovered his TimeTravel abilities. I know, there's TheReveal that Kayleigh only chose to stay with her father because she liked Evan, but blaming Evan for the consequences of that (since he had absolutely no way of knowing) seems loaded with UnfortunateImplications. If anything, he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
20th Jul '13 6:22:59 PM ViolaCesario
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** My interpretation is that he was only pretending to be zombie-like in the second-to-last universe so that his mother and the doctor didn't take him seriously or think anything was unusual about him asking for the home movies right after he was told about his father's photo albums. Plus, he only seems zombie-like in that one scene, inside the doctor's office; the rest of the time, he seems frantic and angry, but not brain damaged.
20th Jul '13 6:20:13 PM ViolaCesario
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** He remembers. The first thing he says when he wakes up from his nosebleed is "Where's Kayleigh?" He burns his journals, which he would have no reason to do unless he remembered time traveling. And he stops and looks visibly shocked when he passes Kayleigh on the street, and you can see his dilemma about whether or not to go talk to her.
26th Apr '13 3:30:09 PM heyhop
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* Not gonna enter in the merit of the whole bunch of problems caused by Hollywood trying to do time travel plots. The thing that mostly buggers me is about the scene that triggers the whole plot. If you don't remind, Evan's teacher tells his mother that he did a drawing he don't remember doing. Later we learn that he's gone back in past and did it. But here's the thing: the whole plot only works because he's gone back to past while in jail and drawed that thing. But when he's gone back in past, he pierces his hands to show Carlos, the cellmate, he's religious and get his help. Wouldn't piercing your own hands change the whole timeline drastically in some sorts, given it wouldn't go unnoticed that easily? Also, his hands are unhurt for the whole movie, so... what?!
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* Not gonna enter in the merit of the whole bunch of problems caused by Hollywood trying to do time travel plots. The thing that mostly buggers bugs me the most is about the scene that triggers the whole plot. If you don't remind, Evan's teacher tells his mother that he did a drawing he don't remember doing. Later we learn that he's gone back in past and did it. But here's the thing: the whole plot only works because he's gone back to past while in jail and drawed that thing. But when he's gone back in past, he pierces his hands to show Carlos, the cellmate, he's religious and get his help. Wouldn't piercing your own hands change the whole timeline drastically in some sorts, given it wouldn't go unnoticed that easily? Also, his hands are unhurt for the whole movie, so... what?!
7th Apr '13 12:25:40 AM EarlOfSandvich
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** Personally, I find "doing things in the womb" stuff unbearably silly. The {{X-Men}} comic did that with Professor Xavier, and I found it silly then too. I wouldn't be surprised if test audiences and/or execs shared my opinion.
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** Personally, I find "doing things in the womb" stuff unbearably silly. The {{X-Men}} Franchise/XMen comic did that with Professor Xavier, and I found it silly then too. I wouldn't be surprised if test audiences and/or execs shared my opinion.
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