History Headscratchers / TeenWolf

5th Jun '16 6:12:20 PM BB8ForPresident
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** It's now revealed that Melissa kicked Scott's dad out because he accidentally pushed Scott down the stairs in a drunken stupor and hurt him badly enough for him to black out and not remember the incident at all. So, the whole situation was: Mr. [=McCall's=] alcoholism, workacholic tendencies and anger issues got worse --> He accidentally pushed Scott down the stairs while drunk --> Melissa kicks him out/they tell Scott they're splitting up --> Mr. [=McCall=] leaves and doesn't return for years ---> Melissa doesn't tell Scott his leaving was triggered by her splitting up with him, although Stiles knows.
*** So on whether Mr. [=McCall=] was abusive... Well, hurting Scott while drunk qualifies for abuse - even if it was accidental - but given Melissa's reaction it seems to be the first time his actions had got that bad. His drinking problem, anger had clearly got worse over time and damaged their marriage, but he ''didn't'' seem to be beating up Scott/Melissa every night as some fanfic portrays. Melissa's quick action pretty much establishes he hadn't hurt Scott physically before otherwise she'd have kicked him out long ago.
*** On the abandonment front: Although Melissa told him to leave, she didn't tell him to get out of Scott's life completely, so the complete abandonment was on him. But Melissa didn't tell Scott that she ended things, because she was worried he'd blame her.
*** On Scott's feelings towards his dad, he doesn't remember Mr. [=McCall's=] drunken incident - or hold it against him when he finds out - and makes it clear he's angriest about his Dad for leaving them for years and not making an effort to stick around even if he'd split up with Melissa. (However Scott doesn't blame Melissa for kicking him out). That also fits the [=McCall's=] announcing their divorcing as Scott worst memory: He might have disliked Dad's alcoholism from before he left, but for Scott his Dad disappearing for years, just because Melissa wouldn't put up with his drinking anymore, is much worse.
*** As for Scott's comment in S1 that he used to live with his Dad; chalk it up to EarlyInstallmentWeirdness, as the whole 3b revelation makes it clear Mr [=McCall=] ditched them completely when Melissa split up/kicked him out. It doesn't seem to be a joint custody arrangement, Scott never would have lived with his Dad with his alcohol problems and the [=McCall's=] money struggle suggest he may not even pay child support.
*** And on the whole Stiles/Mr [=McCall=] interactions. Well, Mr [=McCall=] was clearly a JerkAss: Yes when he left the Sheriff might have had a problem with drinking and Stiles was a mischievous kid, but given they'd just lost their wife/mother to a horrific and heartbreaking disease, but managed to pull themselves together, he has no right to throw that in Stiles' face years later. (Especially as he struggled with drinking and terrible behavior, without having suffered that loss). Add in Stiles's protective personality, that Scott/Melissa are some of his favorite people in the world, he would have seen Mr [=McCall=] drunk/treating them poorly, knew the whole context of him leaving, ''and'' watched them struggle for years after his abandonment, it's not surprising he hates the guy.

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** It's now revealed that Melissa kicked Scott's dad out because he accidentally pushed Scott down the stairs in a drunken stupor and hurt him badly enough for him to black out and not remember the incident at all. So, the whole situation was: Mr. [=McCall's=] alcoholism, workacholic tendencies and anger issues got worse --> He accidentally pushed Scott down the stairs while drunk --> Melissa kicks him out/they tell Scott they're splitting up --> Mr. [=McCall=] leaves and doesn't return for years ---> Melissa doesn't tell Scott his leaving was triggered by her splitting up with him, although Stiles knows. All of which explains a ton of things about the situation:
*** Whether Mr. [=McCall=] was abusive: Hurting Scott while drunk qualifies for abuse - even if it was accidental - but given Melissa's reaction it seems to be the first time his actions had got that bad. His drinking and anger problems had clearly got worse over time and damaged their marriage, but he wasn't beating up Scott/Melissa, as some fanfic portrays. Melissa's quick action and that she's generally protective of Scott establishes Mr [=McCall=] hadn't hurt Scott physically before otherwise she'd have kicked him out long ago. But signs indicate he was a workaholic, who neglected the family.

*** So on whether Mr. [=McCall=] was abusive... Well, hurting Scott while drunk qualifies for abuse - even if it was accidental - but given Melissa's reaction it seems to be the first time his actions had got that bad. His drinking problem, anger had clearly got worse over time and damaged their marriage, but he ''didn't'' seem to be beating up Scott/Melissa every night as some fanfic portrays. Melissa's quick action pretty much establishes he hadn't hurt Scott physically before otherwise she'd have kicked him out long ago.
*** On the abandonment front: Although Melissa told him Mr [=McCall=] to leave, leave the house/marriage, she didn't tell him to get out of Scott's life completely, life, so the complete abandonment was on him. But Melissa didn't tell Scott that she ended things, because she was worried he'd blame her.
*** On Scott's feelings towards his dad, he dad: He doesn't remember Mr. [=McCall's=] drunken incident - or hold it against him when he finds out - and makes it clear he's angriest about his Dad for leaving them for years and not making an effort to stick around even if he'd split up with Melissa. (However Scott doesn't blame Melissa for kicking him out). That also fits the [=McCall's=] announcing their divorcing as Scott worst memory: He might have disliked Dad's alcoholism from before he left, but for Scott Scott, his Dad disappearing for years, just because Melissa wouldn't put up with his drinking anymore, is much worse.
*** As for Scott's comment in S1 that he used to live with his Dad; chalk Dad: Chalk it up to EarlyInstallmentWeirdness, as the whole 3b revelation makes it clear Mr [=McCall=] ditched them completely when Melissa split up/kicked him out. It doesn't seem to be a joint custody arrangement, Scott never would have lived with his Dad with his alcohol problems and the [=McCall's=] money struggle suggest he may not even pay child support.
*** And on the whole Stiles/Mr [=McCall=] interactions. interactions: Well, Mr [=McCall=] was clearly a JerkAss: Yes when he left the Sheriff might have had a problem with drinking and Stiles was a mischievous kid, but given they'd just lost their wife/mother to a horrific and heartbreaking disease, but managed to pull themselves together, he has no right to throw that in Stiles' face years later. (Especially as he struggled with drinking and terrible behavior, without having suffered that loss). Add in Stiles's protective personality, that Scott/Melissa are some of his favorite people in the world, he would have seen Mr [=McCall=] drunk/treating them poorly, knew the whole context of him leaving, ''and'' watched them struggle for years after his abandonment, it's not surprising he hates the guy.
5th Jun '16 5:38:58 PM BB8ForPresident
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*** On Scott's feelings towards his dad, he doesn't remember Mr. [=McCall's=] drunken incident - or hold it against him when he finds out - and makes it clear he's angriest about his Dad for leaving them for years and not making an effort to stick around even if he'd split up with Melissa. (Scott doesn't blame Melissa for breaking up with him). That also fits the [=McCall's=] announcing their splitting up as Scott worst memory: He might have disliked Dad's alcoholism from before he left, but for Scott his Dad disappearing for years, just because Melissa wouldn't put up with his drinking anymore, is much worse.

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*** On Scott's feelings towards his dad, he doesn't remember Mr. [=McCall's=] drunken incident - or hold it against him when he finds out - and makes it clear he's angriest about his Dad for leaving them for years and not making an effort to stick around even if he'd split up with Melissa. (Scott (However Scott doesn't blame Melissa for breaking up with him). kicking him out). That also fits the [=McCall's=] announcing their splitting up divorcing as Scott worst memory: He might have disliked Dad's alcoholism from before he left, but for Scott his Dad disappearing for years, just because Melissa wouldn't put up with his drinking anymore, is much worse.





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\n*** And on the whole Stiles/Mr [=McCall=] interactions. Well, Mr [=McCall=] was clearly a JerkAss: Yes when he left the Sheriff might have had a problem with drinking and Stiles was a mischievous kid, but given they'd just lost their wife/mother to a horrific and heartbreaking disease, but managed to pull themselves together, he has no right to throw that in Stiles' face years later. (Especially as he struggled with drinking and terrible behavior, without having suffered that loss). Add in Stiles's protective personality, that Scott/Melissa are some of his favorite people in the world, he would have seen Mr [=McCall=] drunk/treating them poorly, knew the whole context of him leaving, ''and'' watched them struggle for years after his abandonment, it's not surprising he hates the guy.
5th Jun '16 5:23:33 PM BB8ForPresident
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*** On Scott's feelings towards his dad, he doesn't remember Mr. [=McCall's=] drunken incident - or hold it against him when he finds out - and makes it clear he's angriest about his Dad for leaving them for years and not making an effort to stick around even if he'd split up with Melissa. (Scott doesn't blame Melissa for breaking up with him). That also fits the [=McCall's] announcing their splitting up as Scott worst memory: He might have disliked Dad's alcoholism from before he left, but for Scott his Dad disappearing for years, just because Melissa wouldn't put up with his drinking anymore, is much worse.
*** As for Scott's comment in S1 that he used to live with his Dad; chalk it up to EarlyInstallmentWeirdness, as the whole 3b revelation makes it clear Mr [=McCall=] ditched them completely when Melissa split up/kicked him out. It doesn't seem to be a joint custody arrangement and the [=McCall's+] money struggle suggest he may not even pay child support.


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*** On Scott's feelings towards his dad, he doesn't remember Mr. [=McCall's=] drunken incident - or hold it against him when he finds out - and makes it clear he's angriest about his Dad for leaving them for years and not making an effort to stick around even if he'd split up with Melissa. (Scott doesn't blame Melissa for breaking up with him). That also fits the [=McCall's] [=McCall's=] announcing their splitting up as Scott worst memory: He might have disliked Dad's alcoholism from before he left, but for Scott his Dad disappearing for years, just because Melissa wouldn't put up with his drinking anymore, is much worse.
*** As for Scott's comment in S1 that he used to live with his Dad; chalk it up to EarlyInstallmentWeirdness, as the whole 3b revelation makes it clear Mr [=McCall=] ditched them completely when Melissa split up/kicked him out. It doesn't seem to be a joint custody arrangement arrangement, Scott never would have lived with his Dad with his alcohol problems and the [=McCall's+] [=McCall's=] money struggle suggest he may not even pay child support.

5th Jun '16 5:22:05 PM BB8ForPresident
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*** It's now revealed that Melissa kicked Scott's dad out because he accidentally pushed Scott down the stairs in a drunken stupor and hurt him badly enough for him to black out and not remember the incident at all. So, the whole situation was: Mr. [=McCall's=] alcoholism, workacholic tendencies and anger issues got worse --> He accidentally pushed Scott down the stairs while drunk --> Melissa kicks him out/they tell Scott they're splitting up --> Mr. [=McCall=] leaves and doesn't return for years ---> Melissa doesn't tell Scott his leaving was triggered by her splitting up with him, although Stiles knows.
*** So on whether Mr. [=McCall=] was abusive... Well, hurting Scott while drunk qualifies for abuse - even if it was accidental - but given Melissa's reaction it seems to be the first time his actions had got that bad. His drinking problem, anger had clearly got worse over time and damaged their marriage, but he ''didn't'' seem to be beating up Scott/Melissa every night as some fanfic portrays. Melissa's quick action pretty much establishes he hadn't hurt Scott physically before otherwise she'd have kicked him out long ago. On the abandonment front: Although Melissa told him to leave, she didn't tell him to get out of Scott's life completely, so the complete abandonment was on him. But Melissa didn't tell Scott that she ended things, because she was worried he'd blame her. On Scott's feelings towards his dad, he doesn't remember Mr. [=McCall's=] drunken incident - or hold it against him when he finds out - and makes it clear he's angriest about his Dad for leaving them for years and not making an effort to stick around even if he'd split up with Melissa. (Scott doesn't blame Melissa for breaking up with him). That also fits the [=McCall's] announcing their splitting up as Scott worst memory: He might have disliked Dad's alcoholism from before he left, but for Scott his Dad disappearing for years, just because Melissa wouldn't put up with his drinking anymore, is much worse.
*** As for Scott's comment in S1 that he used to live with his Dad; chalk it up to EarlyInstallmentWeirdness, as the whole 3b revelation makes it clear Mr [=McCall=] ditched them completely when Melissa split up/kicked him out. It doesn't seem to be a joint custody arrangement and the [=McCall's] money struggle suggest he may not even pay child support.

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*** ** It's now revealed that Melissa kicked Scott's dad out because he accidentally pushed Scott down the stairs in a drunken stupor and hurt him badly enough for him to black out and not remember the incident at all. So, the whole situation was: Mr. [=McCall's=] alcoholism, workacholic tendencies and anger issues got worse --> He accidentally pushed Scott down the stairs while drunk --> Melissa kicks him out/they tell Scott they're splitting up --> Mr. [=McCall=] leaves and doesn't return for years ---> Melissa doesn't tell Scott his leaving was triggered by her splitting up with him, although Stiles knows.
*** So on whether Mr. [=McCall=] was abusive... Well, hurting Scott while drunk qualifies for abuse - even if it was accidental - but given Melissa's reaction it seems to be the first time his actions had got that bad. His drinking problem, anger had clearly got worse over time and damaged their marriage, but he ''didn't'' seem to be beating up Scott/Melissa every night as some fanfic portrays. Melissa's quick action pretty much establishes he hadn't hurt Scott physically before otherwise she'd have kicked him out long ago.
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On the abandonment front: Although Melissa told him to leave, she didn't tell him to get out of Scott's life completely, so the complete abandonment was on him. But Melissa didn't tell Scott that she ended things, because she was worried he'd blame her.
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On Scott's feelings towards his dad, he doesn't remember Mr. [=McCall's=] drunken incident - or hold it against him when he finds out - and makes it clear he's angriest about his Dad for leaving them for years and not making an effort to stick around even if he'd split up with Melissa. (Scott doesn't blame Melissa for breaking up with him). That also fits the [=McCall's] announcing their splitting up as Scott worst memory: He might have disliked Dad's alcoholism from before he left, but for Scott his Dad disappearing for years, just because Melissa wouldn't put up with his drinking anymore, is much worse.
*** As for Scott's comment in S1 that he used to live with his Dad; chalk it up to EarlyInstallmentWeirdness, as the whole 3b revelation makes it clear Mr [=McCall=] ditched them completely when Melissa split up/kicked him out. It doesn't seem to be a joint custody arrangement and the [=McCall's] [=McCall's+] money struggle suggest he may not even pay child support.
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5th Jun '16 5:19:05 PM BB8ForPresident
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*** It's now revealed that Melissa kicked Scott's dad out because he accidentally pushed Scott down the stairs in a drunken stupor and hurt him badly enough for him to black out and not remember the incident at all. So, the whole situation was: Mr. [=McCall's=] alcoholism, workacholic tendencies and anger issues got worse --> He accidentally pushed Scott down the stairs while drunk --> Melissa kicks him out/they tell Scott they're splitting up --> Mr. [=McCall=] leaves and doesn't return for years ---> Melissa doesn't tell Scott his leaving was triggered by her splitting up with him, although Stiles knows.
*** So on whether Mr. [=McCall=] was abusive... Well, hurting Scott while drunk qualifies for abuse - even if it was accidental - but given Melissa's reaction it seems to be the first time his actions had got that bad. His drinking problem, anger had clearly got worse over time and damaged their marriage, but he ''didn't'' seem to be beating up Scott/Melissa every night as some fanfic portrays. Melissa's quick action pretty much establishes he hadn't hurt Scott physically before otherwise she'd have kicked him out long ago. On the abandonment front: Although Melissa told him to leave, she didn't tell him to get out of Scott's life completely, so the complete abandonment was on him. But Melissa didn't tell Scott that she ended things, because she was worried he'd blame her. On Scott's feelings towards his dad, he doesn't remember Mr. [=McCall's=] drunken incident - or hold it against him when he finds out - and makes it clear he's angriest about his Dad for leaving them for years and not making an effort to stick around even if he'd split up with Melissa. (Scott doesn't blame Melissa for breaking up with him). That also fits the [=McCall's] announcing their splitting up as Scott worst memory: He might have disliked Dad's alcoholism from before he left, but for Scott his Dad disappearing for years, just because Melissa wouldn't put up with his drinking anymore, is much worse.
*** As for Scott's comment in S1 that he used to live with his Dad; chalk it up to EarlyInstallmentWeirdness, as the whole 3b revelation makes it clear Mr [=McCall=] ditched them completely when Melissa split up/kicked him out. It doesn't seem to be a joint custody arrangement and the [=McCall's] money struggle suggest he may not even pay child support.
22nd Apr '16 11:32:16 PM DrinkySmurf
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* Stiles has shown a willingness to bend morality when necessary, in that he is sort of the Batman to Scott's Superman in their little Justice League (pack). As such I am surprised he did not suggest immediately force feeding Gerard mountain ash and have Scott bite him the moment Gerard was no longer useful. Chris would have gone for it because it would not kill his father and Gerard would again be rendered a non-threat.

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* Stiles has shown a willingness to bend morality when necessary, in that he is sort of the Batman to Scott's Superman in their little Justice League (pack). As such I am surprised he did not suggest immediately force feeding Gerard mountain ash and have Scott bite him the moment Gerard was no longer useful. Chris would have gone for it because it would not kill his father and Gerard would again be rendered a non-threat. NOT saying it would have happened, but Gerard did beat him up and he seems to hold a grudge, so he could have suggested it.
* Did anyone else think maybe Gerard was a Scorpion Man? There was the parable, wherein he was compared to one, then one of the chimeras was part scorpion...
22nd Apr '16 11:29:20 PM DrinkySmurf
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** The last episode of season 3B shows Coach talking to Malia about how many classes she's taking and assuring her that she can go to him for help with anything. What's most likely is that, due to the education she missed as a "feral child", Malia is in special ed: modern special education emphasizes keeping children in their age group and integrating children with special needs with their classmates (i.e. taking the same classes) as much as possible to foster social development. Most other students wouldn't even know she was in special ed. Malia would be getting extra help and would probably have a period or two just for studying. Taking into account that she's also going to summer school, she would have no trouble at all catching up with the other students. As for legality, if the school district refused to accommodate her education needs by not giving her every opportunity to attend normal classes and get caught up with her age peers, they could definitely be sued.

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** The last episode of season 3B shows Coach talking to Malia about how many classes she's taking and assuring her that she can go to him for help with anything. What's most likely is that, due to the education she missed as a "feral child", Malia is in special ed: modern special education emphasizes keeping children in their age group and integrating children with special needs with their classmates (i.e. taking the same classes) as much as possible to foster social development. Most other students wouldn't even know she was in special ed. Malia would be getting extra help and would probably have a period or two just for studying. Taking into account that she's also going to summer school, she would have no trouble at all catching up with the other students. As for legality, if the school district refused to accommodate her education needs by not giving her every opportunity to attend normal classes and get caught up with her age peers, they could definitely be sued.sued.
* Stiles has shown a willingness to bend morality when necessary, in that he is sort of the Batman to Scott's Superman in their little Justice League (pack). As such I am surprised he did not suggest immediately force feeding Gerard mountain ash and have Scott bite him the moment Gerard was no longer useful. Chris would have gone for it because it would not kill his father and Gerard would again be rendered a non-threat.
10th Apr '16 6:06:28 PM DrinkySmurf
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***Even if you discount guns, why is stupidity the only option for so many wolves in combat. The early Derek v Kate battle could have gone very differently if he used his super strength to hit her with something large and heavy that was out of the range of her stun baton, like a couch. Sure she had just insulted his dead sister and MAYBE that got him to fight dumb, but ALL werewolves seem to ONLY go for the obvious attacks, even against enemies they know are a threat. It is seemingly done only to make the humans not seem worthless.
23rd Jan '16 7:55:11 PM ErikModi
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** Probably just some wonky interaction with werewolf healing. Derek mentions he can see the tattoo under Scott's skin (so the ink is still there), and the burning was probably making Scott heal differently or more slowly. Burns heal more slowly in real life, and this seems to be the case for werewolves in Teen Wolf as well (the Hale werewolves, even the staggeringly powerful Talia, were all killed in a fire, and Peter took ''years'' to recover from those burns.)
23rd Jan '16 7:42:08 PM ErikModi
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** Druids' actually abilities are kept very mysterious in the show proper. The myth that the first werewolves learned to shapeshift from shapeshifting druids is just that: a myth. Druids may not be able to shapeshift, may never have been able to shapeshift. And the Nemeton was "depleted" for quite some time, there was no reason to go looking for it. It was believed there was no power there anymore, it was just a stump in the woods.


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** The key is ''pack.'' Peter may have turned Scott into a werewolf, but Scott never joined his pack. There's some poorly-defined line that separates werewolves who are actually ''pack'' and werewolves who just hang out a lot. For the "infinite power-up" to work, an Alpha would have to make enough Betas to make a pack, actually convince those Betas to join them in a Pack, then kill them for the power, then repeat the process later. A lot of time and energy sunk in with not a great chance of success, when it's probably easier to find other Alphas and convince them to kill their pack for the power-up, then join the Alpha Pack where they'll get even more power.
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