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12th May '16 6:33:45 AM annieholmes
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* Not really important, but it keeps bugging me. The first time that Todd meets and confronts Pirelli (in the shaving contest at the market), it's Thursday. Right after the contest, Bamford tells Todd that he'll visit his barber shop "before the end of the week". In the next scene, back in the barber shop, Todd is nervous that Bamford hasn't shown up yet, and Lovett tries to calm him down by saying: "He said before the end of the week, and it's only Tuesday". It can only be next week's Tuesday, so actually Bamford has failed to go to the barber shop before the end of the week, and Todd has a reason to be nervous.

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\n* Not really important, but it keeps bugging me. The first time that Todd meets and confronts Pirelli (in the shaving contest at the market), it's Thursday. Right after the contest, Bamford tells Todd that he'll visit his barber shop "before the end of the week". In the next scene, back in the barber shop, Todd is nervous that Bamford hasn't shown up yet, and Lovett tries to calm him down by saying: "He said before the end of the week, and it's only Tuesday". It can only be next week's Tuesday, so actually Bamford has failed to go to the barber shop before the end of the week, and Todd has a reason to be nervous.nervous.
* Mrs. Lovett seems REALLY distraught at the sight of [[spoiler: Lucy's corpse]]. Exactly how much did she have to do with the poor woman's fate? She has an excuse for her use of ExactWords about Lucy ("Would Sweeney ''really'' want to know that's how she ended up?"). Did she somehow have a hand in Lucy being sent to Bedlam instead of a hospital to [[spoiler: MurderTheHypotenuse?]]
3rd Apr '16 11:11:13 AM jcnoonan1
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**This Troper has just seen a production of Sweeney Todd, and I noticed the line "Toby, you know our secret for making our pies so juicy? We grind the meat three times. That's very important." We don't know how many times Toby has ground the meat, but I'd assume that it's less than three, so I'd imagine that she ensures that no fingernails or anything like that are in the pies by grinding it up repeatedly. With the hair, I'd imagine most customers would assume it was the hair of a worker.
19th Mar '16 2:01:00 AM Brynhild.Svanhvit
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** It's possible Todd didn't think Anthony would succeed, or at least succeed so quickly. Plus the above answer probably figures in, he probably didn't think it through much more heavily than "''Finally'', a chance to get the Judge back under my razor!"

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** It's possible Todd didn't think Anthony would succeed, or at least succeed so quickly. Plus the above answer probably figures in, he probably didn't think it through much more heavily than "''Finally'', a chance to get the Judge back under my razor!"razor!"

* Not really important, but it keeps bugging me. The first time that Todd meets and confronts Pirelli (in the shaving contest at the market), it's Thursday. Right after the contest, Bamford tells Todd that he'll visit his barber shop "before the end of the week". In the next scene, back in the barber shop, Todd is nervous that Bamford hasn't shown up yet, and Lovett tries to calm him down by saying: "He said before the end of the week, and it's only Tuesday". It can only be next week's Tuesday, so actually Bamford has failed to go to the barber shop before the end of the week, and Todd has a reason to be nervous.
16th Jan '16 2:31:40 AM Anddrix
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*** [[ViewersAreMorons Because the average moviegoer wouldn't know that little detail about Victorian barbers?]]

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*** [[ViewersAreMorons Because the average moviegoer wouldn't know that little detail about Victorian barbers?]]barbers?
29th Nov '15 4:59:35 AM Morgenthaler
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** Believe it or not, it can be quite easy for teenage and college-aged girls to dress up as boys about the same age.(BoysDontCry, anyone?) They'll just end up looking like a PrettyBoy.

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** Believe it or not, it can be quite easy for teenage and college-aged girls to dress up as boys about the same age.(BoysDontCry, (Film/BoysDontCry, anyone?) They'll just end up looking like a PrettyBoy.
11th Jan '15 1:43:46 AM CarolC
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** Johanna's final speech to Anthony in a sense is to illustrate "closure." It implies to the audience that although Johanna survives the ordeal, she will remain haunted by all the trauma inflicted on her, in contrast to Anthony's dream of a Happily Ever After. This was likely to compensate for Adaptational cuts as Johanna and Anthony have more presence and closure on the stage version.
17th Sep '14 9:12:07 PM shibata33
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** It could also have had to do with the fact that, as Toby was eating the peculiar pie, he saw the newly-clipped corpse of the Beadle fall into the pie cellar. That probably set him off more than anything else.
** They're meat pies. How closely do you inspect the ground beef in your hamburgers/chili/whatever, if you aren't specifically doing so?
*** While This Troper does not thoroughly inspect their meat when making hamburgers, This Troper also does not make their hamburgers out of people that they kill and grind up themselves. If Mrs. Lovett was concerned enough about being found out that she was willing to hand Toby, who she refers to as and considers to be her son, over to Todd when he started to question his new family's behavior and motives, shouldn't she keep a better eye on the meat she puts in her pies to give to the public? (It should also be noted that This Troper has not had to opportunity to see the stage play, only the Depp/Carter film)

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** It could also have had to do Toby is only charged with grinding the fact that, as Toby was eating the peculiar pie, he saw the newly-clipped corpse of the Beadle fall into the pie cellar. That probably set him off more than anything else.
** They're meat
meat, not baking pies. How closely do you inspect I believe those were the ground beef in your hamburgers/chili/whatever, if you faulty pies that aren't specifically doing so?
*** While This Troper does not thoroughly inspect their meat when making hamburgers, This Troper also does not make their hamburgers out of people that they kill and grind up themselves. If
supposed to be served to customers. Besides, Mrs. Lovett was concerned enough is clearly planning to have him killed at this point, so him finding out the truth about being found out that she was willing to hand Toby, who she refers to as and considers to be her son, over to Todd when he started to question his new family's behavior and motives, shouldn't she keep a better eye on the meat she puts in her pies to give to the public? (It should also be noted that This Troper has is not had to opportunity to see the stage play, only the Depp/Carter film)
among her biggest concerns.
9th Mar '14 7:45:26 AM TFLatte
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*** Also, he practically howls when Mrs. Lovett tells him about Lucy being raped. That response seems to imply he cared a lot about her.
18th Feb '14 1:10:51 PM Alice03
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*** While This Troper does not thoroughly inspect their meat when making hamburgers, This Troper also does not make their hamburgers out of people that they kill and grind up themselves. If Mrs. Lovett was concerned enough about being found out that she was willing to hand Toby, who she refers to as and considers to be her son, over to Todd when he started to question his new family's behavior and motives, shouldn't she keep a better eye on the meat she puts in her pies to give to the public? (It should also be noted that This Troper has not had to opportunity to see the stage play, only the Depp/Carter film)
16th Jan '14 5:49:52 AM ikissfrogs
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** People get mistaken for the wrong gender all the time. If a girl seems to have a masculine hairstyle and no curves, she might get mistaken for a boy even if she's not aiming for that. SweetPollyOliver is a fairly established trope.

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** People get mistaken for the wrong gender all the time. If a girl seems to have a masculine hairstyle and no curves, she might get mistaken for a boy even if she's not aiming for that. Beyond wearing Anthony's sailor gear, Johanna also has on a heavy coat; underneath that her figure could be practically anything. SweetPollyOliver is a fairly established trope.
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