History Headscratchers / Superman

19th Nov '17 2:55:14 PM JohnnyNevada
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** Pre-Crisis, 1981's "New Adventures of ComicBook/{{Superboy}}" #12 shows Congress granted Superboy (very early in his super-career) an honorary American citizenship. Earlier in the story, Superboy tells then-reporter Perry White in an interview that [[UsefulNotes/DwightDEisenhower President Eisenhower]] had reassured him that he wouldn't be deported. ("After all, where could I be deported, since Krypton no longer exists?") I'd presume Congress doing something similar could've happened in other continuities, for the reasons others noted above (even a xenophobic politician might find deporting America's most popular superhero troublesome come re-election time...).

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** Pre-Crisis, 1981's "New Adventures of ComicBook/{{Superboy}}" #12 shows Congress granted Superboy (very early in his super-career) an honorary American citizenship. Earlier in the story, Superboy tells then-reporter Perry White in an interview that [[ComicBookTime President]] [[UsefulNotes/DwightDEisenhower President Eisenhower]] had reassured him that he wouldn't be deported. ("After all, where could I be deported, since Krypton no longer exists?") I'd presume Congress doing something similar could've happened in other continuities, for the reasons others noted above (even a xenophobic politician might find deporting America's most popular superhero troublesome come re-election time...).
19th Nov '17 2:52:40 PM JohnnyNevada
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** Pre-Crisis, 1981's "New Adventures of ComicBook/{{Superboy}}" #12 shows Congress granted Superboy (very early in his super-career) an honorary American citizenship. Earlier in the story, Superboy tells then-reporter Perry White in an interview that [[UsefulNotes/DwightDEisenhower President Eisenhower]] had reassured him that he wouldn't be deported. ("After all, where could I be deported, since Krypton no longer exists?") I'd presume Congress doing something similar could've happened in other continuities, for the reasons others noted above (even a xenophobic politician might find deporting America's most popular superhero troublesome come re-election time...).
17th Oct '17 10:33:58 PM DoctorNemesis
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** Superman's also the paragon of the DC universe. He might not be the best warrior, the most powerful being or the one with the most superpowers, but he ''is'' the one that pretty much everyone in the world respects, admires and looks up to. Luthor's whole thing is that he thinks that everyone should be looking up to ''him'' instead. So even if Luthor lived in Gotham or Coastal City, it would still probably rankle him that there was another being in the world that was better and more admired than him without, in Luthor's mind, doing anything to deserve it.

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** Superman's also the paragon of the DC universe. He might not be the best warrior, the most powerful being or the one with the most superpowers, but he ''is'' the one that pretty much everyone in the world respects, admires and looks up to. Luthor's whole thing is that he thinks that everyone should be looking up to ''him'' instead. So even if Luthor lived in Gotham or Coastal City, it would still probably rankle him that there was another being in the world that was better and more admired than him without, in Luthor's mind, doing anything to deserve it. So he'd still probably be trying to take Superman down a peg or two whether they lived in the same city or not, they just live in the same city for narrative, storytelling and symbolic convenience.
17th Oct '17 10:28:59 PM DoctorNemesis
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** Bad things happen all the time, but bad things on the end of the scale that reads only-Superman-can-save-us-from-this-one don't happen all the time.
25th Sep '17 7:03:05 AM DoctorNemesis
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** Same reasons bad guys in real life operate in towns and cities that are inhabited by police departments that could arrest them on a weekly basis; they might not have the funds or the ability to relocate (criminals tend to be from the lower income side of society), the police / superhero can't possibly arrest ''all'' of them, and the risks are presumably outweighed by the potential rewards.

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** Same reasons bad guys in real life operate in towns and cities that are inhabited by police departments that could arrest them on a weekly basis; they might not have the funds or the ability to relocate (criminals tend to be from the lower income side of society), the police / superhero can't possibly arrest ''all'' of them, and the risks are presumably outweighed by the potential rewards. After all, while you might be 99.9% likely to be caught by Superman if you try knocking over a bank in Metropolis, I'm willing to bet that if you happen to be in the 0.01% that manages to get away you'd make an absolute fortune.
19th Jul '17 8:45:07 AM DoctorNemesis
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** Superman's also the paragon of the DC universe. He might not be the best warrior, the most powerful being or the one with the most superpowers, but he ''is'' the one that pretty much everyone in the world respects, admires and looks up to. Luthor's whole thing is that he thinks that everyone should be looking up to ''him'' instead. So even if Luthor lived in Gotham or Coastal City, it would still probably rankle him that there was another being in the world that was better and more admired than him without, in Luthor's mind, doing anything to deserve it.



** Because in many depictions, Kryptonian society was also incredibly hubristic. They didn't believe anything was going to destroy them because they were so powerful and hyper-advanced that anything that suggested otherwise had to be wrong. Jor-El was just able to see through the societal blinders to the truth.



* Lex Luthor. The greatest criminal mastermind on earth. And after getting out of prision, his great comeback plan is... boning an old, sick woman? he really couldn't find a more dignified, less pathetic way to get back in bussiness? REALLY?

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* Lex Luthor. The greatest criminal mastermind on earth. And after getting out of prision, prison, his great comeback plan is... boning an old, sick woman? he really couldn't find a more dignified, less pathetic way to get back in bussiness? REALLY?
6th Jul '17 12:16:22 PM N.Harmonik
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* If Krypton's technology was extremely advanced, how is it that only one person detected it was going to explode?
24th Jun '17 5:08:22 PM yugi195
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*** So if history in the DC universe had gone a little differently (if Clark had chosen to be Superman, or Lex decided to be... [[ShapedLikeItself Lex Luthor]], in some other city, Superman and Lex Luthor might not be the enemies they currently are? Could the famous conflict between them have just as easily been, say, Martian Manhunter or Wonder Woman in Superman's place, and Gorilla Grodd or Maxwell Lord in Lex's?
10th Jun '17 10:35:31 PM HeroGal2347
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** Maybe it's because Superman is the one who's in his neck of the woods most of the time?
10th Jun '17 5:42:29 AM lillolillo
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** In addition to all of this, the point is entirely moot. Let's assume that some nefarious individual, who we shall call "Wex Wuthor" for convenience's sake, manages to find out the exact legal circumstances of Superman's birth. And that US law is so differnet in the DCU that it actually ''does'' qualify Superman for loss of citizenship, when IRL it wouldn't (see the bullet points directly above). And then Wex manages to get proof of it he can take to the authorities. And then Mr. Wuthor takes it to the authorities, and actually gets a federal court or the INS to agree to invalidate Superman's citizenship and order him to be deported. Let's assume that all this happens. ''So what?'' If you're the President of the United States and you get up one morning and see on the TV news that the INS has issued an order of deportation for Superman, how quickly are you going to just grab your pen and sign some immigration paperwork for Superman? Two seconds? Three? Superman is so off-the-charts powerful that him changing nations of residence is a major shift in the global balance of power all by itself. Any government with an IQ above that of a herring's, if confronted with the situation "Hey, you know that part where the world's most powerful superbeing likes living in your country, likes helping save your citizens from supervillains and natural disasters, and doesn't even charge you for it? Well, he's about to not be doing that anymore." is going to immediately grab whatever bureaucrat signed the deport order in the first place, [[ReassignedToAntarctica find him a new position more suited to his (lack of) talents]], and very apologetically hand said superbeing a green card, a thank-you card, and maybe a complimentary fruit basket, and beg him to stick around a little while longer. Like, for the next hundred years or so. No government will screw itself blatantly against its own self-interests just because the letter of the law allegedly requires it -- not when it would actually be easier for the government to just ''change the law''. (Or, in this case, simply issue an individual waiver to it, as they already have the power to do.)

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** In addition to all of this, the point is entirely moot. Let's assume that some nefarious individual, who we shall call "Wex Wuthor" for convenience's sake, manages to find out the exact legal circumstances of Superman's birth. And that US law is so differnet different in the DCU that it actually ''does'' qualify Superman for loss of citizenship, when IRL it wouldn't (see the bullet points directly above). And then Wex manages to get proof of it he can take to the authorities. And then Mr. Wuthor takes it to the authorities, and actually gets a federal court or the INS to agree to invalidate Superman's citizenship and order him to be deported. Let's assume that all this happens. ''So what?'' If you're the President of the United States and you get up one morning and see on the TV news that the INS has issued an order of deportation for Superman, how quickly are you going to just grab your pen and sign some immigration paperwork for Superman? Two seconds? Three? Superman is so off-the-charts powerful that him changing nations of residence is a major shift in the global balance of power all by itself. Any government with an IQ above that of a herring's, if confronted with the situation "Hey, you know that part where the world's most powerful superbeing likes living in your country, likes helping save your citizens from supervillains and natural disasters, and doesn't even charge you for it? Well, he's about to not be doing that anymore." is going to immediately grab whatever bureaucrat signed the deport order in the first place, [[ReassignedToAntarctica find him a new position more suited to his (lack of) talents]], and very apologetically hand said superbeing a green card, a thank-you card, and maybe a complimentary fruit basket, and beg him to stick around a little while longer. Like, for the next hundred years or so. No government will screw itself blatantly against its own self-interests just because the letter of the law allegedly requires it -- not when it would actually be easier for the government to just ''change the law''. (Or, in this case, simply issue an individual waiver to it, as they already have the power to do.)
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