History Headscratchers / Supergirl

1st Jan '16 7:43:50 PM nombretomado
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***** Yes, that was the official in-universe excuse, but the point is that it didn't matter what any of the writers wanted to do with Kyle at the time, [[ExecutiveMeddling the decision to get him out of the Justice League to make room for John Stewart was made by the editors to make the comic closer to the animated universe]]. Whether you personally liked Young Justice or not, it was ended for the same reason. Just like Superman's history in the comic book was changed to match with {{Smallville}}. It would be a wallbanger for Supergirl to leave because of what a few people did (just like it was when that was the poorly conceived excuse used for Kyle), but it wouldn't matter if some higher-up told the writer that they want her to join the ComicBook/{{Legion of Super-Heroes}}, to go to Earth-12, or that they were going to bring [[TheScrappy Cir-El]] back and didn't want to confuse the audience. And at that point you would probably write a jab or two aimed at [=DiDido=] out of the pure frustration of someone other than the creative team making decisions that impact a character that you like. I guess what I am trying to say is that editors should spend more time checking continuity and less time bullying writers, and if corporate executives want to dictate what goes on in comics (or TV, movies, etc) they should try their hand at writing them.

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***** Yes, that was the official in-universe excuse, but the point is that it didn't matter what any of the writers wanted to do with Kyle at the time, [[ExecutiveMeddling the decision to get him out of the Justice League to make room for John Stewart was made by the editors to make the comic closer to the animated universe]]. Whether you personally liked Young Justice or not, it was ended for the same reason. Just like Superman's history in the comic book was changed to match with {{Smallville}}.''Series/{{Smallville}}''. It would be a wallbanger for Supergirl to leave because of what a few people did (just like it was when that was the poorly conceived excuse used for Kyle), but it wouldn't matter if some higher-up told the writer that they want her to join the ComicBook/{{Legion of Super-Heroes}}, to go to Earth-12, or that they were going to bring [[TheScrappy Cir-El]] back and didn't want to confuse the audience. And at that point you would probably write a jab or two aimed at [=DiDido=] out of the pure frustration of someone other than the creative team making decisions that impact a character that you like. I guess what I am trying to say is that editors should spend more time checking continuity and less time bullying writers, and if corporate executives want to dictate what goes on in comics (or TV, movies, etc) they should try their hand at writing them.
25th Sep '15 5:57:40 PM nombretomado
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** Oh, please... If ''Supergirl'' makes you confused, then you should stay far away from ''{{Hawkman}}''. You're probably overthinking too much (personally, I don't see it as being ''that'' confusing, but to each his own...). But... yeah, I ''can'' understand; this is what happens when DC wants to reset the status quo of [[Franchise/{{Superman}} its most famous character]], but doesn't want to give up another.

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** Oh, please... If ''Supergirl'' makes you confused, then you should stay far away from ''{{Hawkman}}''.''ComicBook/{{Hawkman}}''. You're probably overthinking too much (personally, I don't see it as being ''that'' confusing, but to each his own...). But... yeah, I ''can'' understand; this is what happens when DC wants to reset the status quo of [[Franchise/{{Superman}} its most famous character]], but doesn't want to give up another.
5th Jul '15 4:35:41 PM nombretomado
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**** Hah, which one? The one that was destroyed or the new one that's under threat of Tamaranian invasion? Anyways, back on topic: Kara knows that not everyone is like LexLuthor or Sam Lane. If she writes off all of Earth like that, it's just like Kyle Rayner abandoning Earth because his gay friend was gay-bashed all over again.

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**** Hah, which one? The one that was destroyed or the new one that's under threat of Tamaranian invasion? Anyways, back on topic: Kara knows that not everyone is like LexLuthor ComicBook/LexLuthor or Sam Lane. If she writes off all of Earth like that, it's just like Kyle Rayner abandoning Earth because his gay friend was gay-bashed all over again.



** Superman and Supergirl take the fact that their species has become extinct pretty well, it seems. Superman cares more that humans died during his absence and thinks he should have left Kandor in Brainiac's ship. Supergirl not only stays on Earth, but thinks about rejecting her Kryptonian roots. And neither of them tries to go after LexLuthor, who took the part in the genocide of their people, even though he is public figure again. Regarding the above argument: Supergirl abandoning Earth WOULD NOT BE THE SAME THING as when Kyle Rayner did it, simply because it's not her native planet, she spent only a few years here, so from her perspective it would be just leaving one alien world for another.

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** Superman and Supergirl take the fact that their species has become extinct pretty well, it seems. Superman cares more that humans died during his absence and thinks he should have left Kandor in Brainiac's ship. Supergirl not only stays on Earth, but thinks about rejecting her Kryptonian roots. And neither of them tries to go after LexLuthor, ComicBook/LexLuthor, who took the part in the genocide of their people, even though he is public figure again. Regarding the above argument: Supergirl abandoning Earth WOULD NOT BE THE SAME THING as when Kyle Rayner did it, simply because it's not her native planet, she spent only a few years here, so from her perspective it would be just leaving one alien world for another.



* Can someone please explain the Supergirl / LexLuthor FoeYay? Weren't they sleeping together in the 90's or something?

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* Can someone please explain the Supergirl / LexLuthor ComicBook/LexLuthor FoeYay? Weren't they sleeping together in the 90's or something?
18th Jun '15 4:59:12 PM nombretomado
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***** Kyle Rayner left Earth because John Stewart was going to be in ''JusticeLeague'', so [[ExecutiveMeddling Kyle had to be shooed out of the JLA so that John could be the Green Lantern in the comic book version]]. The gay bashing thing was just a poorly-conceived excuse. Similar to why ''Comicbook/YoungJustice'' was canceled and some of the members shifted to the new ''Comicbook/TeenTitans'' right before the ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'' cartoon started. (Well, that and Creator/DanDiDio hates fun.)
****** First, Comicbook/YoungJustice was terribly overrated (can't say the same for the rest of PeterDavid's works, because I haven't really read any). Second, the JusticeLeague thing notwithstanding, the official in-universe excuse for Kyle leaving Earth was the gay-bashing (amongst other things). Third, [=DiDio=]-bashing doesn't really have it's place in this argument. And finally, it would be an incredible wall banger for Kara to write off the entire human race for something that a relatively small group of government assholes did.

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***** Kyle Rayner left Earth because John Stewart was going to be in ''JusticeLeague'', ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'', so [[ExecutiveMeddling Kyle had to be shooed out of the JLA so that John could be the Green Lantern in the comic book version]]. The gay bashing thing was just a poorly-conceived excuse. Similar to why ''Comicbook/YoungJustice'' was canceled and some of the members shifted to the new ''Comicbook/TeenTitans'' right before the ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'' cartoon started. (Well, that and Creator/DanDiDio hates fun.)
****** First, Comicbook/YoungJustice was terribly overrated (can't say the same for the rest of PeterDavid's works, because I haven't really read any). Second, the JusticeLeague WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague thing notwithstanding, the official in-universe excuse for Kyle leaving Earth was the gay-bashing (amongst other things). Third, [=DiDio=]-bashing doesn't really have it's place in this argument. And finally, it would be an incredible wall banger for Kara to write off the entire human race for something that a relatively small group of government assholes did.
14th Jun '15 5:15:01 AM onegun
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**** So what you are saying is that the JLA doesn't help anyone outside of America? That Superman doesn't help with the occasional giant robot attacks in Tokyo? That Wonder Woman doesn't help evacuate nearby cities when there is an erupting volcano in the Pacific? That when Green Lantern saves the planet from alien invasion, it's only for America? ...Are you that old black person that said that Hal Jordan didn't help black people at the start of the O'Neil/Adams run? Do you think that Superman is the biggest dick in the world since he mainly helps EARTH instead of patrolling that big giant thing that we live in... what's it called... THE UNIVERSE? I guess that aliens are helpless... wait. Aren't there Darkstars, R.E.B.E.L.S., GLC, and other alien police groups? There are? Huh, well blow me down. And I guess that the Kryptonian government was all perfect and SOOO much better than any of Earth's... except for the horrible classism, xenophobia against anyone NOT Kryptonian, and the military sleeper cells that were placed all over Earth to invade on Zod's command. Yes, let's let children die in an earthquake in France or let the armed robbers shoot everyone dead in Macon, Georgia JUST because of a rouge military cell (who by the way, wasn't elected, becaue they are the MILITARY. The president was, but he was fed doctored information.). And even if you just can't get rid of the fact that the cell was American, remember this: AMERICA DOES NOT EQUAL THE ENTIRE PLANET. That is a real nice representative of the entire human freaking race. Finally, SPELL CHECK. USE IT.

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**** So what you are saying is that the JLA doesn't help anyone outside of America? That Superman doesn't help with the occasional giant robot attacks in Tokyo? That Wonder Woman doesn't help evacuate nearby cities when there is an erupting volcano in the Pacific? That when Green Lantern saves the planet from alien invasion, it's only for America? ...Are you that old black person that said that Hal Jordan didn't help black people at the start of the O'Neil/Adams run? Do you think that Superman is the biggest dick in the world since he mainly helps EARTH instead of patrolling that big giant thing that we live in... what's it called... THE UNIVERSE? I guess that aliens are helpless... wait. Aren't there Darkstars, R.E.B.E.L.S., GLC, and other alien police groups? There are? Huh, well blow me down. And I guess that the Kryptonian government was all perfect and SOOO much better than any of Earth's... except for the horrible classism, xenophobia against anyone NOT Kryptonian, and the military sleeper cells that were placed all over Earth to invade on Zod's command. Yes, let's let children die in an earthquake in France or let the armed robbers shoot everyone dead in Macon, Georgia JUST because of a rouge rogue military cell (who by the way, wasn't elected, becaue because they are the MILITARY. The president was, but he was fed doctored information.). And even if you just can't get rid of the fact that the cell was American, remember this: AMERICA DOES NOT EQUAL THE ENTIRE PLANET. That is a real nice representative of the entire human freaking race. Finally, SPELL CHECK. USE IT.
1st Apr '15 11:04:05 AM OmegaX123
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**** Not Matrix the pocket-universe Supergirl, the 'Kryptonian birthing matrix'.
16th Feb '15 1:59:47 PM StFan
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***** Yes, that was the official in-universe excuse, but the point is that it didn't matter what any of the writers wanted to do with Kyle at the time, [[ExecutiveMeddling the decision to get him out of the Justice League to make room for John Stewart was made by the editors to make the comic closer to the animated universe]]. Whether you personally liked Young Justice or not, it was ended for the same reason. Just like Superman's history in the comic book was changed to match with {{Smallville}}. It would be a wallbanger for Supergirl to leave because of what a few people did (just like it was when that was the poorly conceived excuse used for Kyle), but it wouldn't matter if some higher-up told the writer that they want her to join the ComicBook/{{Legion Of Super-Heroes}}, to go to Earth-12, or that they were going to bring [[TheScrappy Cir-El]] back and didn't want to confuse the audience. And at that point you would probably write a jab or two aimed at [=DiDido=] out of the pure frustration of someone other than the creative team making decisions that impact a character that you like. I guess what I am trying to say is that editors should spend more time checking continuity and less time bullying writers, and if corporate executives want to dictate what goes on in comics (or TV, movies, etc) they should try their hand at writing them.

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***** Yes, that was the official in-universe excuse, but the point is that it didn't matter what any of the writers wanted to do with Kyle at the time, [[ExecutiveMeddling the decision to get him out of the Justice League to make room for John Stewart was made by the editors to make the comic closer to the animated universe]]. Whether you personally liked Young Justice or not, it was ended for the same reason. Just like Superman's history in the comic book was changed to match with {{Smallville}}. It would be a wallbanger for Supergirl to leave because of what a few people did (just like it was when that was the poorly conceived excuse used for Kyle), but it wouldn't matter if some higher-up told the writer that they want her to join the ComicBook/{{Legion Of of Super-Heroes}}, to go to Earth-12, or that they were going to bring [[TheScrappy Cir-El]] back and didn't want to confuse the audience. And at that point you would probably write a jab or two aimed at [=DiDido=] out of the pure frustration of someone other than the creative team making decisions that impact a character that you like. I guess what I am trying to say is that editors should spend more time checking continuity and less time bullying writers, and if corporate executives want to dictate what goes on in comics (or TV, movies, etc) they should try their hand at writing them.



** a) Most LegionOfSuperHeroes fanfictions say Brainiac 5 made her some kind of red sun-utilizing technology for such a purpose. b) Superman once said that marriage of cousins was considered unlawful on Krypton, [[http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0810/whoah-superman-supergirl-doris-comics-funny-cousins-demotivational-poster-1222846625.jpg as shown here]].

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** a) Most LegionOfSuperHeroes ''ComicBook/{{Legion of Super-Heroes}}'' fanfictions say Brainiac 5 made her some kind of red sun-utilizing technology for such a purpose. b) Superman once said that marriage of cousins was considered unlawful on Krypton, [[http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0810/whoah-superman-supergirl-doris-comics-funny-cousins-demotivational-poster-1222846625.jpg as shown here]].
1st Oct '14 10:44:32 AM AntMan
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**** Okay, then, let's just say it was pink kryptonite. (Also, Kara almost made out with Wonder-Girl, so she may be bicurious)
16th Sep '14 4:59:37 PM TheLyniezian
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**** 1. It's a valid headscratcher in itself, as it's not like you expect most people to want to want to do it with themselves in that way; 2. their attractiveness in and of itself is certainly not in disputation, least of all by me; 3. having never read that particular story arc, I can only assume the main character's perceived lack of sexuality is YMMV, however, a guy who at least resembles a girl's boyfriend getting said girl pregnant is hardly stretching the boundaries of WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief, whereas what amounts to lesbian incest between characters who, as far as I know, are ''not'' obviously lesbian/bisexual ladies who have it off with AnythingThatMoves... erm, isn't. Maybe you could pass it off with 'genetic sexual attraction' and both Karas being closeted bi, but otherwise...? either way, even assuming Supergirl has come 'of age', imagine the reaction if DC actually dared to print such stuff for real...

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**** 1. It's a valid headscratcher in itself, as it's not like you expect most people to want to want to do it with themselves in that way; 2. their attractiveness in and of itself is certainly not in disputation, least of all by me; 3. having never read that particular story arc, I can only assume the main character's perceived lack of sexuality is YMMV, however, a guy who at least resembles a girl's boyfriend getting said girl pregnant is hardly stretching the boundaries of WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief, whereas what amounts to lesbian incest between characters who, as far as I know, are ''not'' obviously lesbian/bisexual ladies who have it off with AnythingThatMoves... erm, isn't. Maybe you could pass it off with 'genetic sexual attraction' and both Karas being closeted bi, but otherwise...? either Either way, even assuming Supergirl has come 'of age', imagine the reaction if DC actually dared to print such stuff for real...
16th Sep '14 4:59:04 PM TheLyniezian
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**** 1. It's a valid headscratcher in itself, as it's not like you expect most people to want to want to do it with themselves in that way; 2. their attractiveness in and of itself is certainly not in disputation, least of all by me; 3. having never read that particular story arc, I can only assume the main character's perceived lack of sexuality is YMMV, however, a guy who at least resembles a girl's boyfriend getting said girl pregnant is hardly stretching the boundaries of WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief, whereas what amounts to lesbian incest between characters who, as far as I know, are ''not'' obviously lesbian/bisexual ladies who have it off with AnythingThatMoves... erm, isn't. Maybe you could pass it off with 'genetic sexual attraction' and both Karas being closeted bi, but otherwise...?

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**** 1. It's a valid headscratcher in itself, as it's not like you expect most people to want to want to do it with themselves in that way; 2. their attractiveness in and of itself is certainly not in disputation, least of all by me; 3. having never read that particular story arc, I can only assume the main character's perceived lack of sexuality is YMMV, however, a guy who at least resembles a girl's boyfriend getting said girl pregnant is hardly stretching the boundaries of WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief, whereas what amounts to lesbian incest between characters who, as far as I know, are ''not'' obviously lesbian/bisexual ladies who have it off with AnythingThatMoves... erm, isn't. Maybe you could pass it off with 'genetic sexual attraction' and both Karas being closeted bi, but otherwise...? either way, even assuming Supergirl has come 'of age', imagine the reaction if DC actually dared to print such stuff for real...
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