History Headscratchers / StargateSG1

25th Mar '18 7:19:39 PM Primis
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* Are the Tollan not considered to be human? How exactly could Zipacna get away with the arguments he made in "Pretense"? He argued that humans were inferior because the Goa'uld had greater technology, on a planet of humans with superior technology to the Goa'uld. No one called him on it. He also claimed the Goa'uld could not live without a host which doesn't appear to be true (as Goa'uld have been kept alive in tanks and evolved outside of hosts) but it's understandable that no one present could immediately contradict that.

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* Are the Tollan not considered to be human? How exactly could Zipacna get away with the arguments he made in "Pretense"? He argued that humans were inferior because the Goa'uld had greater technology, on a planet of humans with superior technology to the Goa'uld. No one called him on it. He also claimed the Goa'uld could not live without a host which doesn't appear to be true (as Goa'uld have been kept alive in tanks and evolved outside of hosts) but it's understandable that no one present could immediately contradict that.that.
* Did they ever show or say what happens if you try to go through the receiving end of an active Stargate? Do you just fall out the other side? Do you just disintegrate, like the kawoosh?
24th Mar '18 8:52:10 PM nombretomado
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** Exactly! Part of the SGC's mission is to develop alliances with other worlds. So if that means "Hi medival people in castles! What say you trade us some of your naturally-occuring awesomesause medicine plants for us saving your people from an EarthShatteringKaboom? Do we have a deal?" - then the SGC has done its mission. Remeber, the Stargate program cost the U.S. taxpayers $7,407,000,000 ''per year''. It is a sizable investment of America's budget, and it is completely reasonable that the U.S. government should expect some results that would give us an edge technologically (sorry Daniel, fascinating as [[FantasyCounterpartCulture Space Egyptians, Space Minoans, Space Mongolians]], whatever, might be, they alone don't justify a military expenditure of this magnitute, [[StrawmanHasAPoint as was pointed out by Seantor Kinsey in the season 1 episode "Politics"]]). Besides, the Federation in Franchise/StarTrek can usually handily defeat most any threat thrown at it by [[TheKirk Captain Kirk]] punching an alien in the face and sleeping with [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe his woman]], or Picard diplomatically talking it out (or if it's movie Picard, pretending to be Bruce Willis). In the StargateVerse, Earth needs whatever allies/tech we can get our Tau'ri hands on. Even planets with technologically inferior civilizations can have natural resources we could trade for, or be a location we wouldn't mind having access to (in "Enigma" we see that SGC called in a favor with the Space Minoans they saved in "The Broca Divide" and the king there was willing to offer asylum to the Tollan refugees, and again in "Family" we see Teal'c's wife and son being given refuge in the Land of Light.) Besides, since many of the worlds that SG-1 comes across have already been visited by even more advance aliens (starting with the very presence of a Stargate), a Trekkish Prime Directive would be worse than useless.

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** Exactly! Part of the SGC's mission is to develop alliances with other worlds. So if that means "Hi medival people in castles! What say you trade us some of your naturally-occuring awesomesause medicine plants for us saving your people from an EarthShatteringKaboom? Do we have a deal?" - then the SGC has done its mission. Remeber, the Stargate program cost the U.S. taxpayers $7,407,000,000 ''per year''. It is a sizable investment of America's budget, and it is completely reasonable that the U.S. government should expect some results that would give us an edge technologically (sorry Daniel, fascinating as [[FantasyCounterpartCulture Space Egyptians, Space Minoans, Space Mongolians]], whatever, might be, they alone don't justify a military expenditure of this magnitute, [[StrawmanHasAPoint as was pointed out by Seantor Kinsey in the season 1 episode "Politics"]]). Besides, the Federation in Franchise/StarTrek can usually handily defeat most any threat thrown at it by [[TheKirk Captain Kirk]] punching an alien in the face and sleeping with [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe his woman]], or Picard diplomatically talking it out (or if it's movie Picard, pretending to be Bruce Willis). In the StargateVerse, Franchise/StargateVerse, Earth needs whatever allies/tech we can get our Tau'ri hands on. Even planets with technologically inferior civilizations can have natural resources we could trade for, or be a location we wouldn't mind having access to (in "Enigma" we see that SGC called in a favor with the Space Minoans they saved in "The Broca Divide" and the king there was willing to offer asylum to the Tollan refugees, and again in "Family" we see Teal'c's wife and son being given refuge in the Land of Light.) Besides, since many of the worlds that SG-1 comes across have already been visited by even more advance aliens (starting with the very presence of a Stargate), a Trekkish Prime Directive would be worse than useless.
22nd Mar '18 6:24:46 PM GabeC1997
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* Why aren't the Goa'uld better at fighting than humans? They all possess superhuman strength, advanced regeneration, and genetic memory thorough enough to pass on advanced skills. With the only weakness for their personal shields being melee so you'ed think they'ed at least try to be better at it compared to mere mortals.
13th Feb '18 4:34:14 PM ApeAccount
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** As mentioned above, Carter WAS given command of SG-1 for all of Season 8 before O'Neill left. Mitchell only got command of SG-1 after Carter left the position to accept another job as head of R&D at Area 51. She was also later given command of Atlantis and temporarily Stargate Command, so there was no evidence at all that the writers had a problem with her being in charge of things. At the point when Mitchell was given command of SG-1, there was no SG-1. Carter was gone, Daniel was transferring to Atlantis and Teal'c was busy with the Free Jaffa. It wasn't until "[[Recap/StargateSG1S9E7ExDeusMachina Ex Deus Machina]]" when Mitchell got to replace everyone's shoulder patches that they seemed resigned to rejoining. However, it wasn't clear how the structure would work. As mentioned, in "[[Recap/StargateSG1S10E4Insiders Insiders]]", Mitchell acknowledged, "Carter and I are the same rank. Teal'c's an alien. Jackson's a civilian. I learned a long time ago, I don't "control" anything." So it wasn't like she was his subordinate. There's a reason why he's listed against the TheAllegedBoss trope. They simply allowed them both to be the same rank so he could nominally fill the leader role, since if Carter was taking up the role of scientific genius and the role of leader, there wasn't going to be much for Mitchell to do. It's the same reason why, during her time on Atlantis, even when it would have made sense for Carter to help out, [=McKay=] ended up coming up with the scientific solutions while Carter stuck to leadership. Otherwise, you'd end up with a redundant character.

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** As mentioned above, Carter WAS given command of SG-1 for all of Season 8 before O'Neill left. Mitchell only got command of SG-1 after Carter left the position to accept another job as head of R&D at Area 51. She was also later given command of Atlantis and temporarily Stargate Command, Command more than once ("[[Recap/StargateAtlantisS05E20EnemyAtTheGate Enemy at the Gate]]" and "[[Recap/StargateSG1S10E5Uninvited Uninvited]]" come to mind) and later her own ship, the ''George Hammond'', so there was no evidence at all that the writers had a problem with her being in charge of things.things and certainly not that they had a sexist attitude (as mentioned above, they made her the smartest character in the show and even promoted her twice during its run). At the point when Mitchell was given command of SG-1, there was no SG-1. Carter was gone, Daniel was transferring to Atlantis and Teal'c was busy with the Free Jaffa. It wasn't until "[[Recap/StargateSG1S9E7ExDeusMachina Ex Deus Machina]]" when Mitchell got to replace everyone's shoulder patches that they seemed resigned to rejoining. However, it wasn't clear how the structure would work. As mentioned, in "[[Recap/StargateSG1S10E4Insiders Insiders]]", Mitchell acknowledged, "Carter and I are the same rank. Teal'c's an alien. Jackson's a civilian. I learned a long time ago, I don't "control" anything." So it wasn't like she was his subordinate. There's a reason why he's listed against the TheAllegedBoss trope. They simply allowed them both to be the same rank so he could nominally fill the leader role, role to explain his position on the team, since if Carter was taking up the role of scientific genius and the role of leader, there wasn't going to be much for Mitchell to do. It's the same reason why, during her time on Atlantis, even when it would have made sense for Carter to help out, [=McKay=] ended up coming up with the scientific solutions while Carter stuck to leadership. Otherwise, you'd end up with a redundant character.
13th Feb '18 8:11:46 AM ApeAccount
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** As mentioned above, Carter WAS given command of SG-1 for all of Season 8 before O'Neill left. Mitchell only got command of SG-1 after Carter left the position to accept another job as head of R&D at Area 51. She was also later given command of Atlantis and temporarily Stargate Command, so there was no evidence at all that the writers had a problem with her being in charge of things. At the point when Mitchell was given command of SG-1, there was no SG-1. Carter was gone, Daniel was transferring to Atlantis and Teal'c was busy with the Free Jaffa. It wasn't until "[[Recap/StargateSG1S9E7ExDeusMachina Ex Deus Machina]]" when Mitchell got to replace everyone's shoulder patches that they seemed resigned to rejoining. However, it wasn't clear how the structure would work. As mentioned, in "[[Recap/StargateSG1S10E4Insiders Insiders]]", Mitchell acknowledged, "Carter and I are the same rank. Teal'c's an alien. Jackson's a civilian. I learned a long time ago, I don't "control" anything." So it wasn't like she was his subordinate. They simply allowed them both to be the same rank so he could nominally fill the leader role, since if Carter was taking up the role of scientific genius and the role of leader, there wasn't going to be much for Mitchell to do. It's the same reason why, during her time on Atlantis, even when it would have made sense for Carter to help out, [=McKay=] ended up coming up with the scientific solutions while Carter stuck to leadership. Otherwise, you'd end up with a redundant character.

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** As mentioned above, Carter WAS given command of SG-1 for all of Season 8 before O'Neill left. Mitchell only got command of SG-1 after Carter left the position to accept another job as head of R&D at Area 51. She was also later given command of Atlantis and temporarily Stargate Command, so there was no evidence at all that the writers had a problem with her being in charge of things. At the point when Mitchell was given command of SG-1, there was no SG-1. Carter was gone, Daniel was transferring to Atlantis and Teal'c was busy with the Free Jaffa. It wasn't until "[[Recap/StargateSG1S9E7ExDeusMachina Ex Deus Machina]]" when Mitchell got to replace everyone's shoulder patches that they seemed resigned to rejoining. However, it wasn't clear how the structure would work. As mentioned, in "[[Recap/StargateSG1S10E4Insiders Insiders]]", Mitchell acknowledged, "Carter and I are the same rank. Teal'c's an alien. Jackson's a civilian. I learned a long time ago, I don't "control" anything." So it wasn't like she was his subordinate. There's a reason why he's listed against the TheAllegedBoss trope. They simply allowed them both to be the same rank so he could nominally fill the leader role, since if Carter was taking up the role of scientific genius and the role of leader, there wasn't going to be much for Mitchell to do. It's the same reason why, during her time on Atlantis, even when it would have made sense for Carter to help out, [=McKay=] ended up coming up with the scientific solutions while Carter stuck to leadership. Otherwise, you'd end up with a redundant character.
11th Feb '18 10:15:03 PM ApeAccount
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** As mentioned above, Carter WAS given command of SG-1 for all of Season 8 before O'Neill left. Mitchell only got command of SG-1 after Carter left the position to accept another job as head of R&D at Area 51. She was also later given command of Atlantis and temporarily Stargate Command, so there was no evidence at all that the writers had a problem with her being in charge of things. At the point when Mitchell was given command of SG-1, there was no SG-1. Carter was gone, Daniel was transferring to Atlantis and Teal'c was busy with the Free Jaffa. It wasn't until "[[Recap/StargateSG1S9E7ExDeusMachina Ex Deus Machina]]" when Mitchell got to replace everyone's shoulder patches that they seemed resigned to rejoining. However, it wasn't clear how the structure would work. As mentioned, in "[[Recap/StargateSG1S10E4Insiders Insiders]]", Mitchell acknowledged, "Carter and I are the same rank. Teal'c's an alien. Jackson's a civilian. I learned a long time ago, I don't "control" anything." So it wasn't like she was his subordinate. They simply allowed them both to be the same rank so he could nominally fill the leader role, since if Carter was taking up the role of scientific genius and the role of leader, there wasn't going to be much for Mitchell to do. It's the same reason why, during her time on Atlantis, even when it would have made sense for Carter to help out, [=McKay=] ended up coming up with the scientific solutions while Carter stuck to leadership. Otherwise, you'd end up with a redundant character.
31st Jan '18 8:16:04 PM ApeAccount
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** I don't think they're supposed to be annoying, they just are. They're not really involved in the show that much, anyway. They appeared on three episodes, one of which was only a cameo. The Serrakin (those sort of reptile aliens which live on a planet with humans) had as many appearances. It's only really being a member of the "four great races" that makes them stand out because it links them to the show's mythology. The writers wanted to show an advanced species. The species couldn't be allowed to help us because it would pretty much solve all the drama in the show by episode 8. The Nox's personality was a way to explain away their not helping us. Unfortunately, it made them come across as jerks. The Asgard, by contrast, were allowed both to be more helpful and given a more likeable reason for not being able to help more.

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** I don't think they're supposed to be annoying, they just are. They're not really involved in the show that much, anyway. They appeared on three episodes, one of which was only a cameo. The Serrakin (those sort of reptile aliens which live on a planet with humans) had as many appearances. It's only really being a member of the "four great races" that makes them stand out because it links them to the show's mythology. The writers wanted to show an advanced species. The species couldn't be allowed to help us because it would pretty much solve all the drama in the show by episode 8. The Nox's personality was a way to explain away their not helping us. Unfortunately, it made them come across as jerks. The Asgard, by contrast, were allowed both to be more helpful and given a more likeable reason for not being able to help more.more.
* Are the Tollan not considered to be human? How exactly could Zipacna get away with the arguments he made in "Pretense"? He argued that humans were inferior because the Goa'uld had greater technology, on a planet of humans with superior technology to the Goa'uld. No one called him on it. He also claimed the Goa'uld could not live without a host which doesn't appear to be true (as Goa'uld have been kept alive in tanks and evolved outside of hosts) but it's understandable that no one present could immediately contradict that.
26th Jan '18 7:58:06 PM ApeAccount
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** The word Goa'uld probably predates the Goa'uld calling themselves gods. In [[Recap/StargateSG1S1E5TheFirstCommandment The First Commandment]] Hanson started calling himself a god. He no longer called himself a man. The Goa'uld word for their species was probably something different, such as Bobs. They had a concept of gods and hence a word for it (Goa'uld). When they decided to pose as gods, they started stopped calling themselves Bobs and started calling themselves Goa'uld.
26th Jan '18 7:40:16 PM ApeAccount
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** Which episode(s) had them use live radio transmission through the gate bridge? I don't remember it off the top of my head. Transmitting a radio signal through the gate bridge makes as much sense as transmitting a person and would work the same way. Normally, radio signals can pass both ways through an open gate but since the matter is being stored (and the next gate doesn't actually open) the radio signal would be stored in the buffer too. Since multiple people can walk into a gate in order and then come out in order, the buffer must be cleared in some sort of order. So a radio signal could also be sent in advance of a person's arrival (to allow them time to open the iris) without violating any rules. However, if there's live back and forth communication that definitely doesn't make sense.
26th Jan '18 7:07:48 PM ApeAccount
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** The Tok'ra may well have been able to teach their values to a blank slate, however it's unclear if the native Goa'uld were blank slates. They probably still have genetic memory, including their queens. The sarcophagus undoubtedly made the Goa'uld worse but they still decided to forcibly take other species at hosts and spread throughout the galaxy with just the genetic memory that they had on their homeworld. That was their nature and it's likely a primitive queen would retain that nature. The Tok'ra were made intentionally by an unusual Goa'uld who wanted to give them a better nature. It's unlikely that they'd be able to find another queen who would appreciate and understand what it was that Egeria passed on. They could get the Tok'ra genetic memory from their father but they'd still be influenced by the mother who'd give them characteristics and memories (albeit mostly of swimming) they didn't want. They'd be better Goa'uld but they wouldn't really be Tok'ra.
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