History Headscratchers / StarTrektheOriginalSeries

26th May '18 4:43:50 PM NewVirginiaCreeper
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* Here's a minor thing I always wonder about. In "The Immunity Syndrome," we learn of a destroyed Starfleet ship called the U.S.S. ''Intrepid,'' which has an all Vulcan crew. And all Vulcan crew, and yet it shares the name of several U.S. navy ships. I suppose it's better than giving it an egregiously Earth-centric named like ''Yorktown,'' but why doesn't it have a Vulcan name like the 24th century Vulcan-crewed Stafleet vessel ''T'Kumbra'' (or, implicitly ''[=ShiKahr=]'')? Perhaps it wasn't commissioned for that explicit purpose and no one thought it necessary (or logical) to rename it, but it broadly speaks to a humanocentric bias inherent in Starfleet.

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* Here's a minor thing I always wonder about. In "The Immunity Syndrome," we learn of a destroyed Starfleet ship called the U.S.S. ''Intrepid,'' which has an all Vulcan crew. And An all Vulcan crew, and yet it shares the name of several U.S. navy ships. I suppose it's better than giving it an egregiously Earth-centric named like ''Yorktown,'' but why doesn't it have a Vulcan name like the 24th century Vulcan-crewed Stafleet vessel ''T'Kumbra'' (or, implicitly ''[=ShiKahr=]'')? Perhaps it wasn't commissioned for that explicit purpose and no one thought it necessary (or logical) to rename it, but it broadly speaks to a humanocentric bias inherent in Starfleet.
10th May '18 2:00:22 AM PaulA
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*** I think I did write the comment being replied to. I'm male and bi, and my view of slash itself is positive; it's a creative act, [[https://fanlore.org/wiki/Textual_Poachers:_Television_Fans_and_Participatory_Culture folklore, taking control of the narrative]], culture jamming. What I object to is slashophiles' insistence that it's canon; that the ''Star Trek'' creative team inserted numerous subtexts which are "obvious" to viewers "in on the secret". To me, that's more like canon defilement. It reads like ConspiracyTheory, ''and'', most important, it cancels out the aforementioned creative power of fan-controlled, folkloric narrative, by establishing it as part of the show's reality all along. It's a form of Jossing, if you want the truth. Also, D.C. Fontana when asked [[https://fanlore.org/wiki/Amok_Time#Fannish_Reactions:_Slash_Possibilities replied with a strongly worded negative.]] As far as slash writers consciously intending gay inclusion & visibility, no, although these may have evolved over time. As far as I can tell, slash began as kind of an erotic thought experiment. But I agree that these are [[https://fanlore.org/wiki/Slash very]], [[https://fanlore.org/wiki/Slash_Controversies very]] [[https://fanlore.org/wiki/Why_Slash complex]] [[https://fanlore.org/wiki/Why_do_fangirls_always_make_them_gay%3F issues]].

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*** I think I did write the comment being replied to. I'm male and bi, and my view of slash itself is positive; it's a creative act, [[https://fanlore.org/wiki/Textual_Poachers:_Television_Fans_and_Participatory_Culture folklore, taking control of the narrative]], culture jamming. What I object to is slashophiles' insistence that it's canon; that the ''Star Trek'' creative team inserted numerous subtexts which are "obvious" to viewers "in on the secret". To me, that's more like canon defilement. It reads like ConspiracyTheory, conspiracy theory, ''and'', most important, it cancels out the aforementioned creative power of fan-controlled, folkloric narrative, by establishing it as part of the show's reality all along. It's a form of Jossing, if you want the truth. Also, D.C. Fontana when asked [[https://fanlore.org/wiki/Amok_Time#Fannish_Reactions:_Slash_Possibilities replied with a strongly worded negative.]] As far as slash writers consciously intending gay inclusion & visibility, no, although these may have evolved over time. As far as I can tell, slash began as kind of an erotic thought experiment. But I agree that these are [[https://fanlore.org/wiki/Slash very]], [[https://fanlore.org/wiki/Slash_Controversies very]] [[https://fanlore.org/wiki/Why_Slash complex]] [[https://fanlore.org/wiki/Why_do_fangirls_always_make_them_gay%3F issues]].
11th Apr '18 11:16:20 AM CaptEquinox
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* Here's a minor thing I always wonder about. In "The Immunity Syndrome," we learn of a destroyed Starfleet ship called the U.S.S. ''Intrepid,'' which has an all Vulcan crew. And all Vulcan crew, and yet it shares the name of several U.S. navy ships. I suppose it's better than giving it an egregiously Earth-centric named like ''Yorktown,'' but why doesn't it have a Vulcan name like the 24th century Vulcan-crewed Stafleet vessel ''T'Kumbra'' (or, implicitly ''ShirKahr'')? Perhaps it wasn't commissioned for that explicit purpose and no one thought it necessary (or logical) to rename it, but it broadly speaks to a humanocentric bias inherent in Starfleet.

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* Here's a minor thing I always wonder about. In "The Immunity Syndrome," we learn of a destroyed Starfleet ship called the U.S.S. ''Intrepid,'' which has an all Vulcan crew. And all Vulcan crew, and yet it shares the name of several U.S. navy ships. I suppose it's better than giving it an egregiously Earth-centric named like ''Yorktown,'' but why doesn't it have a Vulcan name like the 24th century Vulcan-crewed Stafleet vessel ''T'Kumbra'' (or, implicitly ''ShirKahr'')? ''[=ShiKahr=]'')? Perhaps it wasn't commissioned for that explicit purpose and no one thought it necessary (or logical) to rename it, but it broadly speaks to a humanocentric bias inherent in Starfleet.






** After an exhaustive search of the Star Trek wiki, it can be revealed that those colored cubes are known as. . .[[http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Unnamed_food_(23rd_century)#Colored_blocks "colored blocks."]] Apparently, the closest we get to a description of what they actually ''are'' appears as a stage direction in the script for ''Journey to Babel:'' "A table in the f.g. holds exotic drinks, des hers d'oeuvre fineberg. [sic]" But the kind of food the cubes were actually intended to be seems to be a secret known only to the Desilu props department. If I had to guess, though, I'd say they're probably a salad made of some kind of exotic fruit.

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** After an exhaustive search of the Star Trek wiki, it can be revealed that those colored cubes are known as. . .[[http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Unnamed_food_(23rd_century)#Colored_blocks "colored blocks."]] Apparently, the closest we get to a description of what they actually ''are'' appears as a stage direction in the script for ''Journey to Babel:'' "A table in the f.g. holds exotic drinks, des hers d'oeuvre fineberg. [sic]" But [[note]]''Hors d'oeuvre Feinberg'' meaning "You'll think of something, [[http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Irving_A._Feinberg Irving]]."[[/note]]But the kind of food the cubes were actually intended to be seems to be a secret known only to the Desilu props department. If I had to guess, though, I'd say they're probably a salad made of some kind of exotic fruit.
11th Apr '18 11:05:10 AM CaptEquinox
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*** Why stop there? In "The City on the Edge of Forever," Kirk gets the groceries: "Mister Spock, I've brought you some assorted vegetables, baloney and a hard roll for myself." It's pretty clear that Spock was conceived as a vegetarian almost from inception.

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*** Why stop there? In "The City on the Edge of Forever," Kirk gets the groceries: "Mister Spock, I've brought you some assorted vegetables, baloney and a hard roll for myself." It's pretty clear that Spock was conceived as a vegetarian almost from inception.inception
*** He is a vegetarian according to ''The Making of Star Trek'' which had Gene Roddenberry's okay on every detail[[note]]mostly so he could get co-writer credit and a share of the royalties -- a typical Gene practice[[/note]]. In fact, it says he keeps his diet to the simplest of vegetable life forms.
18th Mar '18 6:19:46 PM ErikModi
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** Some {{Fannon}} holds that Chekov is well aware his claims are erroneous, he's just having some fun with his crewmates. Notably, one EU novel has Chekov saying that rollercoasters were invented in Russia (which is true), but no one believes him, despite him insisting that this time he's telling the truth.

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** Some {{Fannon}} {{Fanon}} holds that Chekov is well aware his claims are erroneous, he's just having some fun with his crewmates. Notably, one EU novel has Chekov saying that rollercoasters were invented in Russia (which is true), but no one believes him, despite him insisting that this time he's telling the truth.
18th Mar '18 6:16:53 PM ErikModi
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** Some {{Fannon}} holds that Chekov is well aware his claims are erroneous, he's just having some fun with his crewmates. Notably, one EU novel has Chekov saying that rollercoasters were invented in Russia (which is true), but no one believes him, despite him insisting that this time he's telling the truth.
18th Mar '18 6:00:10 PM ErikModi
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*** Well, Vulcan telepathy really isn't all that. It's by touch only (barring extreme circumstances), and requires a lot of access and effort from both parties. A Vulcan caretaker for Pike couldn't just speak whatever he's currently thinking, they would need to mind-meld with him every time someone wanted something more complex out of him than "yes/no." Plus, what the Talosians can offer Pike is more than just the ability to get thoughts out of his head again, its the ability live under the illusion that there's nothing wrong with his body at all. On Talos IV, Pike can ski the alps, run through green fields, swim the deepest oceans, do anything and everything the Talosians can think of. It's true reprieve from his crippling injuries.


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18th Mar '18 5:24:01 PM ErikModi
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* It's also implied at least once that Spock ''does'' find [=McCoy's]= barbs hurtful on some level ("I don't like that! I don't think I ever did, and now I'm sure!"). [=McCoy=] may well be deliberately trying to coax an emotional reaction out of Spock, who claims ''he doesn't possess emotions'' (which is BlatantLies, really) to validate [=McCoy's=] humanist beliefs. Most of the time, it seems that the crew have enough respect for Spock and enough camaraderie that the occasional good-natured barb is just another sign of affection, but [=McCoy=] is relentless enough about that he ''does'' actually get under Spock's skin. . . though Spock validates his own Vulcan beliefs by not letting it bother him except in very rare instances.


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** Khan also specifically asked for technical manuals, to familiarize himself with the technology of the century he now found himself in, and Kirk agreed. It's unlikely they gave him specific plans to ''Enterprise'' herself, but more likely generic materials on technology in the 23rd century and some non-classified material on ''Enterprise'', and Khan was just smart enough to actually put it all together in a way he could exploit.
14th Feb '18 3:43:50 PM Julia1984
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** There's a scene in which Spock explicitly tells Kirk that they tried sending down some sort of heating equipment, which duplicated, and both duplicates were inoperable. Coffee probably wouldn't turn evil but would probably be just as useless. Yes, they tried beaming down helpful inanimate objects, and it didn't work -- there was really no way to help Sulu and co. from orbit.
5th Feb '18 3:12:03 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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** Yes, they were supposed to be monitors. When the bridge set was built, they had planned to have the images displayed on them periodically change the background. What they didn't realize at the time was that union rules—as well as the limitations of the special effects of that era—would have required them to hire a team of specialized projectionists to make it happen. That would've eaten up a big chunk of the budget for a minor background detail, so we ended up with just those static images.
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