History Headscratchers / StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier

* Couldn’t he bluff a while longer before going all Armus on the way team?

** Nimbus III was not a great assignment; in fact, ''Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry'' shows that the Romulan government actually has an ambassador on Earth, so Nimbus III representative was completely useless. It's unlikely that anybody who was given the position of ambassador to that world was particularly favored by the government that sent them there. Add that to the fact that the Neutral Zone is a DMZ, and it seems unlikely that the Romulans would assign a warship to drop her off. Sybok needed something fast and powerful like a cruiser to get where he needed to go, and to get anyone to send one, he needed a crisis. He's just lucky that Starfleet responded first, as the Romulans or the Klingons probably would have resolved the situation with much more violence.

** Also a likely case of CriticalResearchFailure, since according to the other wiki, it had been known since 1974 (and perhaps postulated for some time prior) that there was a black hole with about 4.31 million solar masses at the centre of the galaxy, as well as a lot of stars densely packed together surrounding it, so travel there in real life would be suicide anyways.

*** That was more-or-less confirmed during the Klingon Civil war on ''TNG''. You could even argue that it was heavily implied as far back as ''Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock'' -- notice that Kruge's subordinates address him as "Lord," a title of nobility, rather than any military title or rank. Many of the Klingon great houses ''do'' seem to have fleets of their own, which are presumably levied to the Klingon Defense Force in wartime.

*** It's been awhile since I've watch, but did anyone on the Enterprise say "exact center"?\\
Now, whenever I personally think "center of the Galaxy", I think the entire area covered by the bulge, and "the planet at the center" would- to me- just mean whatever is closest to the mathematical[=/=]exact center. (And I personally don't think to use "exact"; I would specifically mention the Black Hole if I wanted to talk IRL about the area covered by "exact center".)

* There is a toilet in the brig that warns: "DO NOT USE WHILE IN SPACEDOCK". So... why ''would'' there be a problem with this? Maybe it's just sadistic SchmuckBait for the rule breakers in the brig? And nobody [[{{Pun}} gives a crap]] when they ''[[PottyEmergency need]]'' to take a crap, of course. I'm wondering if it's AllThereInTheManual.

*** Given that the politicians, albeit ones who were ReassignedToAntarctica, are representatives of governments that the Federation has tense relationships with, it still seems like a risky move politically, especially considering the recent controversy with Genesis and the Klingons, and based on the Klingon Ambassador's threat, it seems that there are extremists within the Klingon government who are itching for any excuse to avenge the fallen Klingons. The fact that Kirk, in this scenario, would have been the one in charge seems like another risky move, given his part in the Genesis situation.

*** Given that the politicians, albeit ones who were ReassignedToAntarctica, are representatives of governments that the Federation has tense relationships with, it still seems like a risky move, especially considering the recent controversy with Genesis and the Klingons, and based on the Klingon Ambassador's threat, it seems that there are extremists within the Klingon government who are itching for any excuse to avenge the fallen Klingons. The fact that Kirk, in this scenario, would have been the one in charge seems like another risky move, given his part in the Genesis situation.

*** Given that the politicians, albeit ones who were ReassignedToAntarctica, are representatives of governments that the Federation has tense relationships with, it still seems like they would take more care, especially considering the recent controversy with Genesis and the Klingons, and based on the Klingon Ambassador's threat, it seems that there are extremists within the Klingon government who are itching for any excuse to avenge the fallen Klingons. The fact that Kirk, in this scenario, would have been the one in charge seems like another risky move, given his part in the Genesis situation.

[[folder:The film that never happened]]
* This may be wonderment about fan reaction more than the film itself, so this may not qualify as a headscratcher (delete away if necessary!), but I have always been curious about the impulse to de-canonize this film. True it's terrible, but it's hardly alone in this among installments of Franchise/StarTrek, and bad episodes do not usually get struck from canon just for being bad. Roddenberry himself apparently made remarks to the effect that this film and the next one have "apocryphal" elements but was vague about what this means. It would appear to me that, in spite of its awfulness, the film does little to actively "harm" canon, thanks in part to its small scale. True, Sybok's very existence is a bit dubious and neither the trip to the galactic core nor the timeline for Nimbus III's foundation make much sense, but compared to Film/StarTrekNemesis (or even ''[[Film/StarTrek2009 Star Trek]]'' 2009), the film does little to actively damage the universe of Franchise/StarTrek; its iffy characterizations are best ignored and the film collects dust on a great many shelves, but is that the same thing as de-canonization?
** Just in case someone is NEW to this film and all the speculation, I THINK Shatner himself has conceded that it "Was all just a dream" and the film lends itself to this, opening and closing with Row, Row, Row your boat. I think it's also stated somewhere on this wiki, and that explanation works best. The DCU Comic Book was a better story than the movie explaining away all the headscratchers. (I wish I still had my copy ) Including Kirk's brother. What movie goers fail to realize is that there was a writer's strike and cost overruns that ruined the movie before it began. Even Shatner knew it as he was filming, but by God, he gave 110%, as only superham Shatner can. This movie is a winner only because of sheer BALLS expended in order just to get it made with all the REAL WORLD problems happening. So stop thinking of it as a Star Trek movie and put it in the same box as the TNG holodeck stories where they went to Sherwood just to break the tension and have a little fun.
** Heh. The Sherwood thing was a Q episode. I think the problem folks have with the movie is that it'd be one thing if it was an episode that contributed nothing to the canon (who wants to count how many episodes there were of that in every Trek series?), but a movie has to have higher stakes. And high stakes are certainly promised, with the question to locate God, but the sloppy execution and real-world problems left you with a huge mess. I think it's the same reason so many folks have trouble with the first movie and the last two TNG films. Adding to that the film being so critically panned that they almost pulled the plug on Star Trek movies forever and you can see why fans pretend this never happened.
*** Shatner at least wanted to deliver on the promise to find God (or rather, Satan) but was talked out of it by the studio.
** I'll do you all better. In ''The Autobiography of James T. Kirk'', it's stated that this movie is in fact a movie made on the planet of SpaceRomans from [[Recap/StarTrekS2E25BreadAndCircuses "Bread and Circuses."]] Kirk and his officers saw the movie when they returned to the planet and saw fans remarkably similar to modern-day Trekkies, complete with homemade Starfleet uniforms.
*** Roddenberry stating that he didn´t like the film dooesn´t decanonize it.
*** For the record, more than expressing dislike, Roddenberry apparently said that he "considered some of the events in Star Trek V to be apocryphal." That's a quote from the ''Star Trek Chronology.'' Just what he said and to whom is still a touch unclear. The bigger point is the Word of Roddenberry does not make something non-canon.
*** It's noteworthy that there has seemed to be a soft de-canonization of this film. Elements like Sybok, Nimbus III, the centre of the galaxy, etc., just quietly get ignored, and the next film's line "never been this close" ignores the joint party with the Klingons in this film.
*** I'd point out, though, that particular line is already something of an anomaly, in itself. Is he talking about never being that close to a Klingon warship? That can't be right, because he's been aboard ''two'' separate Birds-of-Prey--the one in this film, and the one he commandeered in ''Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock''. Is he talking about being that close to a Klingon battlecruiser? Maybe, but he infiltrated a nearly identical ship (albeit an older D-7 class) operated by the Romulans in "[[Recap/StarTrekS3E2TheEnterpriseIncident The Enterprise Incident]]." I think we have to take Kirk's line as an indication that he's a little overwhelmed by the gravity of the situation, rather than a blunt statement of fact.
*** It is probably the closest he's ever been to the flagship of the Klingon fleet and the head of the Klingon state.
*** You can rationalize it that way but it seems flimsy to me. Has he even been even remotely close to those specific things before? Why would it deserve remarking upon?
*** You don't think it would be noteworthy to be as close as he's ever been to the flagship and head of state of a government his government have been enemies with for nearly 40 years, and that he has personally fought against?
*** It's just a bizarre way of expressing it. Let's say I've never seen a tiger before. Suddenly I'm within ten feet of one. Would it make sense to say "I've never been this close a tiger"?
*** It's more like meeting the President. You know who the President is and what he looks like, but if you came around the corner and found the President visiting your local Starbucks, it's likely you would say "I've never been this close to the President before."
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Couldn’t he bluff a while longer before going all Armus on the way team?

*** Canon is not what yu choose or not it is what´s official.

*** I thought that Kirk was referring to the loss of his biological brother and implying that Spock had replaced George in his life. However, this slights [=McCoy=]. Kirk should have said "I lost a brother once. i was lucky; I got him back. ''[Looks at Spock and then [=McCoy=]]'' I got him back twice."