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7th Jul '17 10:56:50 AM Bense
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** "Uncharacteristic" is certainly the word. The movie is full of uncharacteristic characterization, which is why the fans don't much like it. Maybe everybody knew that Caitians (if that's what she was) are actually fully amphibious, and she'll be fine once she wakes up.
24th Mar '17 4:09:34 PM heartofthemoon
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[[folder: Leaving the Caitian to drown]]
* When Kirk first enters the bar in Paradise City, he's attacked by a Caitian woman. Of course he's able to fend her off, and at the end of the fight she's left unconscious face down in a pool of water, her last breath bubbling out of her. It seems very uncharacteristic for Kirk to leave her to drown like that, and for Spock to not intervene either.
24th Dec '16 8:54:45 AM TheMysteriousTroper
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*** I thought that Kirk was referring to the loss of his biological brother and implying that Spock had replaced George in his life. However, this slights McCoy. Kirk should have said "I lost a brother once. i was lucky; I got him back. ''[Looks at Spock and then McCoy]'' I got him back twice."

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*** I thought that Kirk was referring to the loss of his biological brother and implying that Spock had replaced George in his life. However, this slights McCoy.[=McCoy=]. Kirk should have said "I lost a brother once. i was lucky; I got him back. ''[Looks at Spock and then McCoy]'' [=McCoy=]]'' I got him back twice."
13th Dec '16 8:52:35 AM costanton11
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*** The Klingon ambassador, Koord, has explicitly been given the Nimbus III assignment because he's out of favour. The Klingons were hardly likely to rustle up the cavalry for his sake.

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*** The Klingon ambassador, Koord, has explicitly been given the Nimbus III assignment because he's out of favour.favor. The Klingons were hardly likely to rustle up the cavalry for his sake.



** This is just one of the more egregious Star Trek speed errors. TNG had the Enterprise end up over 2 MILLION light years from Earth and Data says that it would take approximately 100 years to get home. By contrast, Voyager going 70,000 light years would taken 70 years. That means the Enterprise D could go 20 times faster than Voyager... it's fair to say that writers really need to try and leave distances out because they ALWAYS screw them up and end up travelling at the speed of plot.
*** Warp 10 = 1,000c; the Designated top Speed applies WITHIN the Galaxy. 2M ly is empty space BETWEEN galaxies. Maybe you can go faster if there ain't all thse frackin stars in the way?

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** This is just one of the more egregious Star Trek speed errors. TNG had the Enterprise end up over 2 MILLION light years from Earth and Data says that it would take approximately 100 years to get home. By contrast, Voyager going 70,000 light years would taken 70 years. That means the Enterprise D could go 20 times faster than Voyager... it's fair to say that writers really need to try and leave distances out because they ALWAYS screw them up and end up travelling traveling at the speed of plot.
*** Warp 10 = 1,000c; the Designated top Speed applies WITHIN the Galaxy. 2M ly is empty space BETWEEN galaxies. Maybe you can go faster if there ain't all thse these frackin stars in the way?



FridgeLogic time. In ''Film/{{Star Trek V|The Final Frontier}}'', there is a toilet in the brig that warns: "DO NOT USE WHILE IN SPACEDOCK". So... why ''would'' there be a problem with this? Maybe it's just sadistic SchmuckBait for the rulebreakers in the brig? And nobody [[IncrediblyLamePun gives a crap]] when they ''[[PottyEmergency need]]'' to take a crap, of course. I'm wondering if it's AllThereInTheManual.

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FridgeLogic time. In ''Film/{{Star Trek V|The Final Frontier}}'', there is a toilet in the brig that warns: "DO NOT USE WHILE IN SPACEDOCK". So... why ''would'' there be a problem with this? Maybe it's just sadistic SchmuckBait for the rulebreakers rule breakers in the brig? And nobody [[IncrediblyLamePun gives a crap]] when they ''[[PottyEmergency need]]'' to take a crap, of course. I'm wondering if it's AllThereInTheManual.



* Once you get to Spacedock, whoever is in the brig is taken to the Spacedock's brig. There shouldn't be anyone except maintenece in there anyway, so not flushing could mean the difference between sucking Ricky Redshirt out into space.

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* Once you get to Spacedock, whoever is in the brig is taken to the Spacedock's brig. There shouldn't be anyone except maintenece maintenance in there anyway, so not flushing could mean the difference between sucking Ricky Redshirt out into space.



** At the end, Klaa is seen apologizing to Kirk for his actions (with Koord looming over him indimidatingly) and emphasizing that his actions were taken without approval of the High Council. Basically, since he didn't actually manage to hurt anyone, and his following of the ''Enterprise'' led to the rescue of Kirk, he wasn't executed for his violating his orders (probably something along the lines of "here's a sector, stay here and patrol it"). If you look closely in the [[{{Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry}} next film]] you can see that Klaa has been removed from starship command and put on translation duty, so it's obvious that he pissed someone off, but not enough to get executed for it.

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** At the end, Klaa is seen apologizing to Kirk for his actions (with Koord looming over him indimidatingly) intimidatingly) and emphasizing that his actions were taken without approval of the High Council. Basically, since he didn't actually manage to hurt anyone, and his following of the ''Enterprise'' led to the rescue of Kirk, he wasn't executed for his violating his orders (probably something along the lines of "here's a sector, stay here and patrol it"). If you look closely in the [[{{Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry}} next film]] you can see that Klaa has been removed from starship command and put on translation duty, so it's obvious that he pissed someone off, but not enough to get executed for it.
5th Aug '16 5:09:26 PM AnotherGuy
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* WordOfGod says Kirk was talking about ''memorializing'' him, not actual resurrection.
6th May '16 8:21:17 AM Bense
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** Maybe Starfleet is a little over-sensitive about Kirk taking over command of a starship from its regular captain, since whenever he does it the former captain inevitably ends up dead? Sure Spock got better, but Decker has never been heard from again.
28th Apr '16 11:26:09 AM costanton11
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[[folder: We need James Kirk]]
* Kirk protests the Enterprise being sent on the mission since its a mess. He says that there has to be other ships and the admiral says that they have working ships but no experienced captains. Why not just have Kirk take command of one of those ships for the duration of the mission?
18th Mar '16 2:44:44 PM StarTropes
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** I'll do you all better. In ''The Autobiography of James T. Kirk'', it's stated that this movie is in fact a movie made on the planet of SpaceRomans from [[Recap/StarTrekS2E25BreadAndCircuses "Bread and Circuses."]] Kirk and his officers saw the movie when they returned to the planet and saw fans remarkably similar to modern-day Trekkies, complete with homemade Starfleet uniforms.
18th Mar '16 7:11:19 AM StarTropes
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** Nimbus III was not a great assignment; in fact, Film/StarTrekTheVITheUndiscoveredCountry shows that the Romulan government actually has an ambassador on Earth, so Nimbus III representative was completely useless. It's unlikely that anybody who was given the position of ambassador to that world was particularly favored by the government that sent them there. Add that to the fact that the Neutral Zone is a DMZ, and it seems unlikely that the Romulans would assign a warship to drop her off. Sybok needed something fast and powerful like a cruiser to get where he needed to go, and to get anyone to send one, he needed a crisis. He's just lucky that Starfleet responded first, as the Romulans or the Klingons probably would have resolved the situation with much more violence.

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** Nimbus III was not a great assignment; in fact, Film/StarTrekTheVITheUndiscoveredCountry ''Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry'' shows that the Romulan government actually has an ambassador on Earth, so Nimbus III representative was completely useless. It's unlikely that anybody who was given the position of ambassador to that world was particularly favored by the government that sent them there. Add that to the fact that the Neutral Zone is a DMZ, and it seems unlikely that the Romulans would assign a warship to drop her off. Sybok needed something fast and powerful like a cruiser to get where he needed to go, and to get anyone to send one, he needed a crisis. He's just lucky that Starfleet responded first, as the Romulans or the Klingons probably would have resolved the situation with much more violence.
12th Jan '16 8:26:32 PM DonM435
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**** I thought that Kirk was referring to the loss of his biological brother and implying that Spock had replaced George in his life. However, this slights McCoy. Kirk should have said "I lost a brother once. i was lucky; I got him back. ''[Looks at Spock and then McCoy]'' I got him back twice."
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