History Headscratchers / StarTrekVItheUndiscoveredCountry

27th May '16 12:59:43 PM Bense
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*** Cartwright is the only one in the room we ''know'' is in the conspiracy, so it's probably not true that "most" of the Admirals are part of it.
** The answer is in the Vulcan proverb "Only Nixon could go to China." Kirk has an undisputed anti-Klingon reputation, and therefore when he is assigned as the Federation's "olive branch" both the Klingons and Starfleet know that the Federation is serious about offering peace. No one will be able to say Kirk is doing it because he is sympathetic to the Klingons. Sarek understood this advantage, and he trusts Kirk after the whole "risked his entire career for Spock's soul" incident. Spock made a mistake in not talking to Kirk first, but the whole thing seems to have been set up rather quickly.
25th May '16 11:09:25 AM thatsnumberwang
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** Spock's monumental IdiotBall aside for not reading Kirk better, I always thought that this was FridgeBrilliance. Most of the Admirals in that room are in on the plot to assassinate Gorkon, so who better to frame for the crime than the guy who hates Klingons? A guy that they have good reason to suspect would make himself appear guilty several times over the course of the journey? A bereaved father of a murdered son and veteran of a dozen combat engagements against them? Sending a neutral or sympathetic Captain would raise too many questions once Gorkon is apparently killed by his hand.
24th May '16 4:36:17 PM costanton11
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[[folder: Let's send the guy who hates Klingons and who the Klingons hate back. What could possibly go wrong?]]
* Kirk may be behaving irrationally with his prejudice against the Klingons, but he had every right to be mad at Spock for springing the whole "you will escort Chancellor Gorkon" mission. It's no secret that Kirk hates the Klingons for killing his son so why did Spock (and by extension Sarek, who Spock said played a role in the negotiation) decide to send Kirk along on this mission. If he wanted to convince Kirk, wouldn't it have made more sense to suggest the idea first and try to convince him to go along with it, rather than just telling him that he has to do it after the arrangements had been made. On the flip side, why do they think it was a good idea to send Kirk to escort the Klingon Chancellor, given that much of the Klingon government thinks that Kirk is a criminal who got away scot-free with killing a Klingon crew and the Klingon ambassador himself said "There shall be no peace as long as Kirk lives!"
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15th May '16 6:22:52 PM costanton11
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*** A minor point, but Kirk knew that Sulu's daughter existed (he met her once, twelve years earlier, per the dialogue), but did know that she was assigned to the Enterprise-B.

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*** A minor point, but Kirk knew that Sulu's daughter existed (he met her once, twelve years earlier, per the dialogue), but did didn't know that she was assigned to the Enterprise-B.
15th May '16 5:44:54 PM NewVirginiaCreeper
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*** A minor point, but Kirk knew that Sulu's daughter existed (he met her once, twelve years earlier, per the dialogue), but did know that she was assigned to the Enterprise-B.
10th May '16 4:00:41 PM costanton11
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*** As far as the gaseous anomaly equipment issue is concerned, apparently it was supposed to be Sulu in the Excelsior who pulled that trick off, as foreshadowed by the mention of the Excelsior cataloging the anomalies, but Shatner requested that it be changed because h didn't want Kirk to have to be saved by someone else.

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*** As far as the gaseous anomaly equipment issue is concerned, apparently it was supposed to be Sulu in the Excelsior who pulled that trick off, as foreshadowed by the mention of the Excelsior cataloging the anomalies, but Shatner requested that it be changed because h he didn't want Kirk to have to be saved by someone else.
10th May '16 3:56:22 PM costanton11
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*** As far as the gaseous anomaly equipment issue is concerned, apparently it was supposed to be Sulu in the Excelsior who pulled that trick off, as foreshadowed by the mention of the Excelsior cataloging the anomalies, but Shatner requested that it be changed because h didn't want Kirk to have to be saved by someone else.
10th May '16 2:01:32 PM thatsnumberwang
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** If my theory is correct, then Sulu had ''just'' left the Enterprise, as in, right after their last mission. One of the reasons why I think that this line is a mistake not picked up in editing is because at the start of the film (before Praxis blows up) the Excelsior is charting gaseous anomalies. At the end of the film however when the crew are discussing building the exhaust-seeking photon torpedo, it is the Enterprise that was stated by Uhura to have been suddenly charting gaseous anomalies and thus has all of the equipment required for the modified torpedo. Certainly it is not impossible for both ships to have been on the same mission at the same time, but it is a bit of an asspull as this had not been mentioned previously. To me, it makes a lot of sense if the original script had the Enterprise witnesses the death of Praxis, they go back to Earth where we see things like Scotty's retirement boat and Sulu's promotion, and ''then'' the movie cuts to the meeting with the admirals. One last point: in ''Generations'' Kirk had no idea that Sulu had an adult daughter so these are not people that seem to socialise much outside of work (Star Trek V camping trip aside).
10th May '16 8:58:35 AM costanton11
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*** Still, regardless of how long Sulu was captain of the Excelsior, he was no longer part of the Enterprise crew, so why was McCoy expecting him to be there?
10th May '16 12:21:18 AM thatsnumberwang
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** Due to budget cuts from the critical failure that was the Star Trek V, there were substantial script changes. For example it has been rumoured that in the original version you actually saw Scotty on his boat as opposed to him just mentioning it in passing. Perhaps in the original version Sulu hadn't been Captain of the Excelsior for long?
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