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25th Oct '17 8:53:13 PM costanton11
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** Even if Martia was thinking should could try to pretend to be Kirk and be rescued when the ''Enterprise'' arrived, it wouldn't have worked; the real Kirk was wearing a Veridian patch on his back, which the ''Enterprise'' used to find him and presumably used to get a transporter lock on him. Martia didn't know about that, or she figured the Enterprise's sensors wouldn't be able to distinguish between a group of Klingons, two humans and one changling pretending to be a human.

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** Even if Martia was thinking should could try to pretend to be Kirk and be rescued when the ''Enterprise'' arrived, it wouldn't have worked; the real Kirk was wearing a Veridian patch on his back, which the ''Enterprise'' used to find him and presumably used to get a transporter lock on him. Martia didn't know about that, or she figured the Enterprise's sensors wouldn't be able to distinguish between a group of Klingons, two humans and one changling changeling pretending to be a human.
3rd Oct '17 9:08:00 PM costanton11
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** While it would probably lead to the question of why Scotty would beam down at all, an explanation for the dress would be to blend in better. They didn't know exactly when or from where the assassination attempt would occur. They are unauthorized to be there, at best, and wanted fugitives, at worst. Going down in a work uniform to a formal diplomatic event would have had his stick out like a sore thumb.

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** While it would probably lead to the question of why Scotty would beam down at all, an explanation for the dress would be to blend in better. They didn't know exactly when or from where the assassination attempt would occur. They are unauthorized to be there, at best, and wanted fugitives, at worst. Going down in a work uniform to a formal diplomatic event would have had his stick out like a sore thumb. After he got back to the Enterprise, he may have changed his uniform back in case he had to head back to engineering.
3rd Oct '17 11:47:22 AM CharlesPhipps
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** There's also the fact, while it was retconned in, the Klingons of ''The Undiscovered Country'' are ones influenced by Worf and the warrior race mentality. Kirk is the Federation's greatest soldier and someone they have a [[WorthyOpponent grudging respect]] for even as they hate him as an enemy. General Chang is the friendliest one to Kirk at the meeting and he's the biggest hardliner of the bunch.
22nd Jul '17 11:52:59 AM NewVirginiaCreeper
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** Another point worth raising is that, while the Klingons and Romulans may be enemies at this point, they were allies in recent memory. It seems absurd to deliberately share sensitive material with the Romulan ambassador if there's a chance that his loyalties might be in question (which they are!).
17th Jul '17 9:08:29 AM Bense
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**** [=McCoy=] was "just standing around on the bridge?" Why was [=McCoy=] standing around on the bridge while the Klingons were blowing holes clean through the ''Enterprise'' every few seconds, no doubt causing lots of casualties?
17th Jul '17 9:05:44 AM Bense
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* This issue has already been addressed at least twice on this page. Look in the "No Plans, No Backup" and "Prototype Revisited" folders.
16th Jul '17 5:28:20 PM nombretomado
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*** The Russian ambassador in real life probably did understand English just fine. He was an ambassador, understanding one of the most-used languages in the world (Japanese sailors had to learn it during WW2 because a lot of their charts and machine manuals were printed in English) would have been necessary for his job. Kirk and [=McCoy=] aren't ambassadors, so in Chang's case it ''was'' purely grandstanding (instead of only partly).

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*** The Russian ambassador in real life probably did understand English just fine. He was an ambassador, understanding one of the most-used languages in the world (Japanese sailors had to learn it during WW2 [=WW2=] because a lot of their charts and machine manuals were printed in English) would have been necessary for his job. Kirk and [=McCoy=] aren't ambassadors, so in Chang's case it ''was'' purely grandstanding (instead of only partly).
16th Jul '17 3:25:08 PM costanton11
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*** Chekov was the one who fired the torpedo when they tracked the ship and they probably needed him to main the weapons console. [=McCoy=] on the other hand was just standing around on the bridge, so they might as well put him to work. In any case, [=McCoy's=] part in the torpedo re-programing was mainly just handing Spock the parts he asks for, so there isn't much qualification needed. Plus, I've seen it suggested elsewhere that given that it was a delicate procedure, a steady hand like a surgeon's would be of use.
15th Jul '17 10:54:56 PM thespecialneedsgroup
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*** You're forgetting, though, that the apparently unrestricted access to phasers aboard ''Enterprise'' actually ''did'' result in several murders in this very film. Not only that, but the search for Gorkon's assassins could have been a lot shorter if there were some record of who aboard ''Enterprise'' had checked a phaser out of the ship's armory, and when.
14th Jul '17 4:19:03 PM Ohio9
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* The movie makes it very clear that the ability to fire ship weapons while cloaked is a revolutionary technological advancement in space combat. So why do we never see them use it again in any Star Trek film or episode? I know the ship was destroyed, but obviously the specs for the technology must be been recorded so they could make other ships that have it.

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* The *The movie makes it very clear that the ability to fire ship weapons while cloaked is a revolutionary technological advancement in space combat. So why do we never see them use it again in any Star Trek film or episode? I know the ship was destroyed, but obviously the specs for the technology must be been recorded so they could make other ships that have it.


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*** But wouldn't Klingon technology improve to work against attempted countermeasures as well? I get the impression roughly 99% of Klingon science is dedicated to combat. So I'm sure they would work on finding ways to keep the ship better hidden. It just seems silly to use it once and then totally abandon it when it was in its prototype stage. Even if it doesn't make a ship invincible, you just gotta figure it would always be better to have the ability to fire while cloaked then to not have that ability. It's not like having that ability give you any disadvantages.
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