History Headscratchers / StarTrekVItheUndiscoveredCountry

6th Jul '16 7:34:49 AM Ambaryerno
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

*** Or he was ''that desperate'' that he was doing anything he could think of to save Gorkon's life, no matter how obsolete the method.
30th Jun '16 12:29:29 AM Luppercus
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

*** Except for the fact that they are in Rura Penthe, without translators (as Krik says) and yet they seem to understand fine their Klingon jailers (and is unlikely that the jailers learn English as they're the only humans in the entire prison and apparently the first ones too).
20th Jun '16 1:08:17 PM Bense
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** The novelization attempts an AuthorsSavingThrow by saying that [=McCoy=] was well aware that Sulu had been off in the ''Excelsior'' for several years but was making a lame joke.
20th Jun '16 1:05:55 PM Bense
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** On a less urgent note, Kirk and [=McCoy=] both take the time to change uniforms and shave between when they discover where the conference is and when they arrive for the fight with Chang. There must be a time skip there, because it only takes a few minutes on screen.
3rd Jun '16 7:03:55 PM costanton11
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* "There is an old Vulcan proverb: only Nixon could go to China." Why exactly does an old Vulcan proverb refer to a figure and event from earth history?

to:

* "There is an old Vulcan proverb: only Nixon could go to China." Why exactly does an old Vulcan proverb refer to a figure and event from earth Earth history?
1st Jun '16 3:18:57 PM Bense
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** Spock is making a joke. There's no such Vulcan proverb, but he's trying to get his friend Kirk to loosen up a bit, while simultaneously pointing out a real reason to have Kirk take the mission.
*** As an aside, yes, Spock does make jokes sometimes. By ''Star Trek VI'' he is sufficiently comfortable with his emotions to tell Valeris that "Logic is just the beginning of wisdom."
1st Jun '16 2:32:04 PM CrypticMirror
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** As we saw in ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' the Vulcans could be a bit quirky on the things they found important in other cultures. It is perfectly possible that when they were going through Earth history, almost certainly from an America-centric POV, they found the example of the China hating Nixon being the one to go to China simply because he would be trusted if he said something nice about them as he'd have no incentive to lie about it, and adopted it; especially if there was no clear analogue in Vulcan history.
1st Jun '16 10:19:40 AM costanton11
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

[[folder: Vulcans love Richard Nixon]]
* "There is an old Vulcan proverb: only Nixon could go to China." Why exactly does an old Vulcan proverb refer to a figure and event from earth history?
[[/folder]]
29th May '16 4:32:21 PM costanton11
Is there an issue? Send a Message


*** As far as the gaseous anomaly equipment issue is concerned, apparently it was supposed to be Sulu in the Excelsior who pulled that trick off, as foreshadowed by the mention of the Excelsior cataloging the anomalies, but Shatner requested that it be changed because he didn't want Kirk to have to be saved by someone else.

to:

*** As far as the gaseous anomaly equipment issue is concerned, apparently you've actually got it the other way around. Apparently in his autobiography, George Takei said that it was supposed to be Sulu in the Excelsior who pulled that trick off, off with the gaseous anomaly equipment, as foreshadowed by the mention of the Excelsior cataloging the anomalies, but anomalies. However, William Shatner requested that it be changed because he didn't want changed, arguing that Kirk to have to be saved by would never need someone else.to come charging to his rescue. Apparently the Star Trek chronology rectified this issue by saying the mission was a long term one and most starships, including the Enterprise, had been fitted with the equipment.



*** Cartwright is the only one in the room we ''know'' is in the conspiracy, so it's probably not true that "most" of the Admirals are part of it.

to:

*** Cartwright is the only one in the room we ''know'' is in the conspiracy, so it's probably not true that "most" of the Admirals are part of it. The Commander-in-chief, for example, is shown not to be a part of the conspiracy.
27th May '16 12:59:43 PM Bense
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

*** Cartwright is the only one in the room we ''know'' is in the conspiracy, so it's probably not true that "most" of the Admirals are part of it.
** The answer is in the Vulcan proverb "Only Nixon could go to China." Kirk has an undisputed anti-Klingon reputation, and therefore when he is assigned as the Federation's "olive branch" both the Klingons and Starfleet know that the Federation is serious about offering peace. No one will be able to say Kirk is doing it because he is sympathetic to the Klingons. Sarek understood this advantage, and he trusts Kirk after the whole "risked his entire career for Spock's soul" incident. Spock made a mistake in not talking to Kirk first, but the whole thing seems to have been set up rather quickly.
This list shows the last 10 events of 237. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Headscratchers.StarTrekVItheUndiscoveredCountry