History Headscratchers / StarTrekVItheUndiscoveredCountry

11th Sep '16 6:59:06 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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** It's also a bit of a running joke for ''Franchise/StarTrek'' in general, and this film in particular--it's the TropeNamer for InTheOriginalKlingon, after all. Later in the film, Spock claims to be a descendant of Literature/Sherlock Holmes (and this is speculation, but I've always assumed that he referring to his ''father's'' side of the family). Chang and Spock, incidentally, were [[BorrowedCatchphrase borrowing this joke]] from Chekov, who was known to claim that Russians were responsible for almost every technological or cultural advancement in human history[[note]]Which, itself, was a parody of a real-world stereotype about soviets[[/note]]. Interestingly, Chekov's claim that Cinderella is a Russian story--his only instance of using this gag in all of ''The Undiscovered Country''--it's actually a subtle subversion. Russians ''do'' kind of have their own unique version of Cinderella: "Vasilisa The Beautiful."

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** It's also a bit of a running joke for ''Franchise/StarTrek'' in general, and this film in particular--it's the TropeNamer for InTheOriginalKlingon, after all. Later in the film, Spock claims to be a descendant of Literature/Sherlock Holmes Literature/SherlockHolmes (and this is speculation, but I've always assumed that he referring to his ''father's'' side of the family). Chang and Spock, incidentally, were [[BorrowedCatchphrase borrowing this joke]] from Chekov, who was known to claim that Russians were responsible for almost every technological or cultural advancement in human history[[note]]Which, itself, was a parody of a real-world stereotype about soviets[[/note]]. Interestingly, Chekov's claim that Cinderella is a Russian story--his only instance of using this gag in all of ''The Undiscovered Country''--it's actually a subtle subversion. Russians ''do'' kind of have their own unique version of Cinderella: "Vasilisa The Beautiful."
11th Sep '16 6:58:28 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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** It's also a bit of a running joke for ''Franchise/StarTrek'' in general, and this film in particular--it's the TropeNamer for InTheOriginalKlingon, after all. Later in the film, Spock claims to be a descendant of Literature/Sherlock Holmes (and this is speculation, but I've always assumed that he referring to his ''father's'' side of the family). Chang and Spock, incidentally, were [[BorrowedCatchphrase borrowing this joke]] from Chekov, who was known to claim that Russians were responsible for almost every technological or cultural advancement in human history[[note]]Which, itself, was a parody of a real-world stereotype about soviets[[/note]].

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** It's also a bit of a running joke for ''Franchise/StarTrek'' in general, and this film in particular--it's the TropeNamer for InTheOriginalKlingon, after all. Later in the film, Spock claims to be a descendant of Literature/Sherlock Holmes (and this is speculation, but I've always assumed that he referring to his ''father's'' side of the family). Chang and Spock, incidentally, were [[BorrowedCatchphrase borrowing this joke]] from Chekov, who was known to claim that Russians were responsible for almost every technological or cultural advancement in human history[[note]]Which, itself, was a parody of a real-world stereotype about soviets[[/note]]. Interestingly, Chekov's claim that Cinderella is a Russian story--his only instance of using this gag in all of ''The Undiscovered Country''--it's actually a subtle subversion. Russians ''do'' kind of have their own unique version of Cinderella: "Vasilisa The Beautiful."
11th Sep '16 6:34:23 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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** It's also a bit of a running joke in ''Franchise/StarTrek'' in general, and this film in particular--it's the TropeNamer for InTheOriginalKlingon, after all. Later in the film, Spock claims to be a descendant of Literature/Sherlock Holmes (and this is speculation, but I've always assumed that he referring to his ''father's'' side of the family). Chang and Spock, incidentally, were [[BorrowedCatchphrase borrowing this joke]] from Chekov, who was known to claim that Russians were responsible for almost every technological or cultural advancement in human history[[note]]Which, itself, was a parody of a real-world stereotype about soviets[[/note]].

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** It's also a bit of a running joke in for ''Franchise/StarTrek'' in general, and this film in particular--it's the TropeNamer for InTheOriginalKlingon, after all. Later in the film, Spock claims to be a descendant of Literature/Sherlock Holmes (and this is speculation, but I've always assumed that he referring to his ''father's'' side of the family). Chang and Spock, incidentally, were [[BorrowedCatchphrase borrowing this joke]] from Chekov, who was known to claim that Russians were responsible for almost every technological or cultural advancement in human history[[note]]Which, itself, was a parody of a real-world stereotype about soviets[[/note]].
11th Sep '16 6:33:18 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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** It's also a bit of a running joke in ''Franchise/StarTrek'' in general, and this film in particular--it's the TropeNamer for InTheOriginalKlingon, after all. Later in the film, Spock claims to be a descendant of Literature/Sherlock Holmes (and this is speculation, but I've always assumed that he referring to his ''father's'' side of the family). Chang and Spock, incidentally, were [[BorrowedCatchphrase borrowing this joke]] from Chekov, who was known to claim that Russians were responsible for almost every technological or cultural advancement in human history[[note]]Which, itself, was a parody of a real-world stereotype about soviets[[/note]].
11th Sep '16 5:49:14 AM benteen
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** Perhaps Spock is recasting a Vulcan saying ("proverb" is probably an exaggeration) into Earth history terms? If Vulcan history has a parallel incident of an emissary, long-known for being a bitter enemy of a certain people, being sent to open normal relations with that people--a Vulcan Nixon becoming emissary to a China analogue--perhaps Spock substituted ''dramatis personae'' that Kirk (presumably familiar with American history, since he was "born in Iowa" after all) would recognize rather than using the persons from Vulcan history, who would be unfamiliar to Kirk.
1st Aug '16 10:55:42 AM AFP
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** Or he's simply the Klingon Empire's EvilCounterpart to Jean Luc Picard. Bald, lover of Shakespeare, fluent in English and
Klingon, etc.

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** Or he's simply the Klingon Empire's EvilCounterpart to Jean Luc Picard. Bald, lover of Shakespeare, fluent in English and
and Klingon, etc.
6th Jul '16 7:34:49 AM Ambaryerno
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*** Or he was ''that desperate'' that he was doing anything he could think of to save Gorkon's life, no matter how obsolete the method.
30th Jun '16 12:29:29 AM Luppercus
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*** Except for the fact that they are in Rura Penthe, without translators (as Krik says) and yet they seem to understand fine their Klingon jailers (and is unlikely that the jailers learn English as they're the only humans in the entire prison and apparently the first ones too).
20th Jun '16 1:08:17 PM Bense
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** The novelization attempts an AuthorsSavingThrow by saying that [=McCoy=] was well aware that Sulu had been off in the ''Excelsior'' for several years but was making a lame joke.
20th Jun '16 1:05:55 PM Bense
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** On a less urgent note, Kirk and [=McCoy=] both take the time to change uniforms and shave between when they discover where the conference is and when they arrive for the fight with Chang. There must be a time skip there, because it only takes a few minutes on screen.
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