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14th Feb '17 9:13:45 AM cdrood
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** It's arguable at best. Probably the worst thing would be messing with it an accidently vaporizing it. From a technology standpoint there are actually probably too many steps in between to have a frame of reference. It's why the communicator issue in "A Piece of the Action" probably wouldn't have been an issue. Note how they said in that episode that the Iotians were at the beginning of industrialization when the Horizon left the book a century before and were at 1920's level when the Enterprise arrived. That actually roughly fits with Earth with Iotia only being maybe a decade or two ahead.
14th Feb '17 9:04:13 AM cdrood
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** Another simple explanation is that it had been renamed in the 300 year interval.
14th Feb '17 8:56:58 AM cdrood
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** Obviously several episodes of the original series made references to money. Harry Mudd and Cyrano Jones are just two examples. Add in that the main characters have traveled to a multitude of worlds at various stages of socio-economic development, including several near duplicates of Earth.
9th Jan '17 9:49:26 PM NotBambi
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*** Memory Alpha obtained those dates based on Gillian's line about 300 years of catching up. It is clarified in the background info section that this is an approximation, and the date could be anywhere in the mid-to-late 2280s.

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*** Memory Alpha obtained those dates based on Gillian's line about 300 years of catching up. up, and this is also the basis that semi-official sources like the Star Trek Encyclopedia and StarTrek.com use. It is clarified in the background info section on MA that this is an approximation, and the date could be anywhere in the mid-to-late 2280s.
9th Jan '17 9:46:31 PM NotBambi
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*** Memory Alpha obtained those dates based on Gillian's line about 300 years of catching up. It is clarified in the background info section that this is an approximation, and the date could be anywhere in the mid-to-late 2280s.
13th Dec '16 8:51:40 AM costanton11
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*** We simply don't have enough information on what the Vulcan and Federation legal codes permit and don't permit. The Federation is of course less like the US and more like the EU with a commonly funded defence force, so it would depend on the treaties invoked on joining and how much sovereignty they each possessed. The low priority on pushing the matter until the diplomatic row with the Klingons (and presumably other powers too) is sorted out seems more likely.

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*** We simply don't have enough information on what the Vulcan and Federation legal codes permit and don't permit. The Federation is of course less like the US and more like the EU with a commonly funded defence defense force, so it would depend on the treaties invoked on joining and how much sovereignty they each possessed. The low priority on pushing the matter until the diplomatic row with the Klingons (and presumably other powers too) is sorted out seems more likely.



*** The expanded universe does call the members of the Coucil councillors. Worth noticing thought that actually in real life some states inside the US may deny extradition of prisoners to other states if they worry for the prisoners well being and/or is against the state's law the kind o punishment the prisoner may receive (for example, extradition from a non-capital punishment state to another one).

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*** The expanded universe does call the members of the Coucil Council councillors. Worth noticing thought that actually in real life some states inside the US may deny extradition of prisoners to other states if they worry for the prisoners well being and/or is against the state's law the kind o punishment the prisoner may receive (for example, extradition from a non-capital punishment state to another one).



*** Chekov could still attribute it to Minsk, and Leningrad still exists in Russia today (as the name of a province, ie "oblast").

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*** Chekov could still attribute it to Minsk, and Leningrad still exists in Russia today (as the name of a province, ie i.e. "oblast").
30th Oct '16 11:32:13 PM heartofthemoon
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** It was this troper's belief that the scene is Kirk (or one of the other crew members) Dreaming of Things to Come.

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** It was this troper's belief that the scene is Kirk (or one of the other crew members) Dreaming of Things to Come.DreamingOfThingsToCome.



** Listen carefully to what they say. The characters say all of these lines later on in the film. Somehow during their time travel, they get a glimpse of what they are about to experience in the twentieth century.



**They don't seem to realize it's a real gun. It doesn't work when Chekov tries to use it because of the radiation or what not, and they think he's some random crazy Russian, so they probably don't examine it too closely.



* Most of the crew is wearing the same clothes as they were in the last movie, which makes sense since they weren't able to bring extra clothes. But in the last movie, Scotty was wearing a suede jacket over a gold turtleneck, this being a casual dress uniform for captains and above. But in the beginning of this movie, he's wearing the suede jacket, which he mostly discards except for meeting the aluminum guy, over a white turtleneck and black engineering vest. These are shown to be Starfleet uniforms since he wears them in the following movies, so had did he get the other uniforms? Not to mention that in Star Trek III, the jacket had captain's rank insignia, since he was just promoted, but here the jacket has commander's rank insignia, as does his standard uniform seen at the end. The standard uniform can be explained because in the last movie, he was never seen wearing it after being told of his promotion, so he probably didn't have it changed, but why did the insignia change on the casual uniform?

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* Most of the crew is wearing the same clothes as they were in the last movie, which makes sense since they weren't able to bring extra clothes. But in the last movie, Scotty was wearing a suede jacket over a gold turtleneck, this being a casual dress uniform for captains and above. But in the beginning of this movie, he's wearing the suede jacket, which he mostly discards except for meeting the aluminum guy, over a white turtleneck and black engineering vest. These are shown to be Starfleet uniforms since he wears them in the following movies, so had how did he get the other uniforms? Not to mention that in Star Trek III, the jacket had captain's rank insignia, since he was just promoted, but here the jacket has commander's rank insignia, as does his standard uniform seen at the end. The standard uniform can be explained because in the last movie, he was never seen wearing it after being told of his promotion, so he probably didn't have it changed, but why did the insignia change on the casual uniform?


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[[folder: Nobody notices Kirk's drowning?]]
* After Kirk frees the whales from the sinking ship, he swims up to the surface and promptly starts drowning in the stormy sea. We see him bobbing up and down, coughing and gasping as Spock reaches for him. Then the screen switches to Uhura, Chekov, and Sulu staring in the opposite direction as Uhura says, "Do you see them?" meaning the whales. Did they really not notice the Captain drowning? It seems like they must have seen him to expect the whales to be free. This seems like terrible timing for this line--it makes it seem like these crew members don't care that Kirk is drowning in front of them.
25th Oct '16 7:53:13 AM Bense
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* So Spock says he needs "a common frame of reference to talk about death" with McCoy. Okay, McCoy remind him about that time you were killed on the amusement park planet by the Black Knight and his lance and that you were brought back to life by the Caretaker (not ''that'' one). That should give Spock as much common frame of reference as he needs as both of them have died and come back to talk about it!

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* So Spock says he needs "a common frame of reference to talk about death" with McCoy. [=McCoy=]. Okay, McCoy [=McCoy=] remind him about that time you were killed on the amusement park planet by the Black Knight and his lance and that you were brought back to life by the Caretaker (not ''that'' one). That should give Spock as much common frame of reference as he needs as both of them have died and come back to talk about it!
22nd Oct '16 9:49:59 AM NewVirginiaCreeper
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** Never mind the fact that Scotty also came from the dead (in "The Changeling").
21st Oct '16 4:50:00 AM mcb359
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*** Kirk did indeed change his insignia to captain before he got the Enterprise-A, but didn't change his jacket, retaining the gold piping around the black border... so his uniform was still wrong as well.
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