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23rd Apr '18 1:22:24 PM NewVirginiaCreeper
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* A related question is, why is it so important that they limp to Earth under their own power rather than getting a Vulcan escort? I can see why they might not want to surrender to Starfleet, bad optics there (essence they are surrendering to the Federation's justice but don't want to start out from a position of weakness), but wouldn't returning to Earth on a Vulcan ship be a powerful sign that Vulcan is in their corner on this matter?

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* A related question is, why is it so important that they limp to Earth under their own power rather than getting a Vulcan escort? I can see why they might not want to surrender to Starfleet, bad optics there (essence (though in essence they are surrendering to the Federation's justice but don't want to start out from a position of weakness), but wouldn't returning to Earth on a Vulcan ship be a powerful sign that Vulcan is in their corner on this matter?
4th Apr '18 9:21:57 PM costanton11
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** Given that they were planning on turning themselves in, they probably weren't planning on needing personal weaponry. When the need arose, they just used what they had at their disposal.
2nd Apr '18 7:35:03 AM Bense
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*** Scotty complains about the text being written in Klingon. If he remodeled the bridge, wouldn't he have also changed the text.

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*** Scotty complains about the text being written in Klingon. If he remodeled the bridge, wouldn't he have also changed the text.text?
*** And if Scotty remodeled the bridge so completely on Vulcan, shouldn't the new bridge use Vulcan components, rather than Klingon?
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* Why does the crew use Klingon phasers and communicators throughout the movie? Okay, so they're on a Klingon ship and there were presumably Klingon phasers and communicators in the ship's armory, but Kirk brought at least one Starfleet phaser when he beamed on board at the end of ''III'', and they were on Vulcan for months, which gave them plenty of time to restock with gear they were more familiar with. Perhaps Klingon gear is just better than Starfleet or Vulcan issue?
1st Apr '18 1:32:47 PM costanton11
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** At the start of the movie Scotty says he's been fixing and altering stuff all the time they've been on Vulcan. He remodelled the Klingon bridge to better fit his tastes, obviously. Probably a lot of stuff go yanked out and sent off to the Vulcan Science Academy to reverse engineer and study, then Scotty used more familiar stuff to plug up the holes and alter the layout to how he liked it. It is probably a lot easier to do that with late 23rdC tech.

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** At the start of the movie Scotty says he's been fixing and altering stuff all the time they've been on Vulcan. He remodelled remodeled the Klingon bridge to better fit his tastes, obviously. Probably a lot of stuff go yanked out and sent off to the Vulcan Science Academy to reverse engineer and study, then Scotty used more familiar stuff to plug up the holes and alter the layout to how he liked it. It is probably a lot easier to do that with late 23rdC tech.tech.
*** Scotty complains about the text being written in Klingon. If he remodeled the bridge, wouldn't he have also changed the text.
29th Mar '18 2:28:57 PM CrypticMirror
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** At the start of the movie Scotty says he's been fixing and altering stuff all the time they've been on Vulcan. He remodelled the Klingon bridge to better fit his tastes, obviously. Probably a lot of stuff go yanked out and sent off to the Vulcan Science Academy to reverse engineer and study, then Scotty used more familiar stuff to plug up the holes and alter the layout to how he liked it. It is probably a lot easier to do that with late 23rdC tech.
29th Mar '18 7:25:51 AM Bense
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* If you compare the bridge of the Klingon ''Bird of Prey'' in ''Star Trek III'' to the one in this film, they look totally different. In ''III'' the command chair was on a platform surrounded by a pit with the rest of the bridge crew down in it with their backs to the captain, and it's main view screen was pretty small. In this movie, the command chair is on roughly the same level as the other work stations, some of them are behind the captain's chair and facing the view screen, and the main view screen is much larger. Did they rebuild the whole bridge while on Vulcan? And if they did, why didn't they change all the displays to English or Vulcan rather than Klingon?

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* If you compare the bridge of the Klingon ''Bird of Prey'' in ''Star Trek III'' to the one in this film, they look totally different. In ''III'' the command chair was on a platform surrounded by a pit with the rest of the bridge crew down in it with their backs to the captain, and it's its main view screen was pretty small. In this movie, the command chair is on roughly the same level as the other work stations, some of them are behind the captain's chair and facing the view screen, and the main view screen is much larger. Did they rebuild the whole bridge while on Vulcan? And if they did, why didn't they change all the displays to English or Vulcan rather than Klingon?


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*** Which would only raise [[VoodooShark the questions]]: "why are they using a secondary control room instead of the bridge Kruge used?" and "Why does a small scout ship with a crew of twelve have two separate control rooms with radically different layouts?"
28th Mar '18 12:02:28 PM costanton11
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** Maybe it was a secondary control room?
27th Mar '18 7:47:12 AM Bense
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*** This is indeed how the novelizations of the films treat her.
26th Mar '18 9:57:08 AM TheLyniezian
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** Another possibility: she's a reclusive BrokenBird after having suffered a HeroicBSOD from the events of the previous film. Her son is dead, what could have been the crowning acheivement of her scientific career a dismal failure; the mental stress it has put her under could have lead her to suffer a breakdown and retreat from society.
12th Mar '18 12:56:15 PM Bense
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* If you compare the bridge of the Klingon ''Bird of Prey'' in ''Star Trek III'' to the one in this film, they look totally different. In ''III'' the command chair was on a platform surrounded by a pit with the rest of the bridge crew down in it with their backs to the captain, and it's main view screen was pretty small. In this movie, the command chair is on roughly the same level as the other work stations, some of them are behind the captain's chair and facing the view screen, and the main view screen is much larger. Did they rebuild the whole bridge while on Vulcan? And if they did, why didn't they change all the displays to English or Vulcan rather than Klingon?
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