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13th Jan '18 9:43:50 AM NewVirginiaCreeper
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* A related question is, why is it so important that they limp to Earth under their own power rather than getting Vulcan escort? I can see why they might not want to surrender to Starfleet, bad optics there (though in essence they are surrendering to the Federation's justice), but wouldn't returning to Earth on a Vulcan ship be a powerful sign that Vulcan is in their corner on this matter?

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* A related question is, why is it so important that they limp to Earth under their own power rather than getting a Vulcan escort? I can see why they might not want to surrender to Starfleet, bad optics there (though in essence (essence they are surrendering to the Federation's justice), justice but don't want to start out from a position of weakness), but wouldn't returning to Earth on a Vulcan ship be a powerful sign that Vulcan is in their corner on this matter?
13th Jan '18 9:41:19 AM NewVirginiaCreeper
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** One sense of the word "splurge" concerns indulgence in general, not necessarily the free spending of money. Perhaps that sense of the word survived. After all, even if they don't use money, the people of the future must still be familiar with the concept of having a limited resource and having to expend it with care.


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*** And this scenario may be less analogous to a fugitive fleeing from one US state to another than from one country to another. Even if they're both signatories to international treaties concerning the extradition of criminals, there're many scenarios where the host country will refuse to extradite, at least not right away (for famous examples, think of Roman Polanski or Julian Assange).


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* A related question is, why is it so important that they limp to Earth under their own power rather than getting Vulcan escort? I can see why they might not want to surrender to Starfleet, bad optics there (though in essence they are surrendering to the Federation's justice), but wouldn't returning to Earth on a Vulcan ship be a powerful sign that Vulcan is in their corner on this matter?
14th Nov '17 4:02:01 PM gothelittle
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** Anybody being caught on that nuclear vessel would have been in a lot of trouble, regardless of race or nationality. You've got a captain, first officer, medical officer, comms officer, helmsman, engineer, and security officer. They sent the helmsman to pilot the helicopter, the engineer to get the tank, and the security officer to infiltrate the military ship.
14th Nov '17 3:49:17 PM gothelittle
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**** Could be that it was deemed safer to let the Klingon bluster about this magic weapon that can instantly terraform planets than to reveal that such a thing really existed and the Federation knew about it.
11th Nov '17 8:56:05 AM TheLyniezian
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** Maybe he picked it up after reading all that Harold Robbins and Jaqueline Susann type literature...
25th Oct '17 8:51:20 PM costanton11
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** It's arguable at best. Probably the worst thing would be messing with it an accidently vaporizing it. From a technology standpoint there are actually probably too many steps in between to have a frame of reference. It's why the communicator issue in "A Piece of the Action" probably wouldn't have been an issue. Note how they said in that episode that the Iotians were at the beginning of industrialization when the Horizon left the book a century before and were at 1920's level when the Enterprise arrived. That actually roughly fits with Earth with Iotia only being maybe a decade or two ahead.

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** It's arguable at best. Probably the worst thing would be messing with it an accidently accidentally vaporizing it. From a technology standpoint there are actually probably too many steps in between to have a frame of reference. It's why the communicator issue in "A Piece of the Action" probably wouldn't have been an issue. Note how they said in that episode that the Iotians were at the beginning of industrialization when the Horizon left the book a century before and were at 1920's level when the Enterprise arrived. That actually roughly fits with Earth with Iotia only being maybe a decade or two ahead.
10th Sep '17 9:51:49 AM AlexDKZ
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*** I am no history buff but I am well aware that early in the 19th century the Napoleonic Wars were going on, so I certainly would avoid sending a french speaking time traveller to certain nations where he would be in trouble. Certainly, I would expect the Enterprise crew to have at least the same level of awareness of major historical conflicts.
10th Jun '17 2:58:07 PM nombretomado
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** Given the lack of knowledge that many have concerning large-scale conflicts such as WorldWarI, which was less than 100 years ago, it's not entirely unbelievable that a conflict that produced very few comparative casualties would be overlooked in the history books, especially since it was more of a political pissing contest than a real war.

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** Given the lack of knowledge that many have concerning large-scale conflicts such as WorldWarI, UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, which was less than 100 years ago, it's not entirely unbelievable that a conflict that produced very few comparative casualties would be overlooked in the history books, especially since it was more of a political pissing contest than a real war.
6th Mar '17 9:54:51 AM Bense
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** Maybe they know that he's the hero, so there's no way Kirk is going to drown. He even took his red shirt off before he dived in. The whales, on the other hand, are the movie's McGuffin.
28th Feb '17 12:24:16 PM Bense
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