History Headscratchers / StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan

18th Dec '17 8:42:09 AM Bense
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** My guess is that taking the mains offline let the radiation die down to safer levels in most of engineering, but that the dilithium chamber would still be dangerous for a long while. After Spock fixes it there is still lethal radiation in the chamber, which is why Kirk can't go in, and they probably took the mains back off line again to fix everything and let the radiation die down to safe levels as soon as they had escaped the Genesis wave.
17th Dec '17 2:26:50 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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** Maybe Starfleet doesn't want to risk drawing attention to Khan. Specifically, they don't want to draw the ''Klingons''' attention to Khan. At the time of his exile, the Klingons were still dealing with the effects of the augment virus. That means that they would probably love to get their hands on a group of human augments for medical purposes (or, less euphemistically, medical ''experimentation''). That would be a huge problem for Starfleet, because Khan and his followers feel no loyalty to the Federation, and they've all just memorized the technical details of the ''Constitution''-class starship. The film stresses that Khan is a poor starship captain, but he was still able to use that knowledge to cripple the ''Enterprise''. Imagine what a battle-hardened Klingon captain could [[CurbStopBattle do with it]].

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** Maybe Starfleet doesn't want to risk drawing attention to Khan. Specifically, they don't want to draw the ''Klingons''' attention to Khan. At the time of his exile, the Klingons were still dealing with the effects of the augment virus. That means that they would probably love to get their hands on a group of human augments for medical purposes (or, less euphemistically, medical ''experimentation''). That would be a huge problem for Starfleet, because Khan and his followers feel no loyalty to the Federation, and they've all just memorized the technical details of the ''Constitution''-class starship. The film stresses that Khan is a poor starship captain, but he was still able to use that knowledge to cripple the ''Enterprise''. Imagine what a battle-hardened Klingon captain could [[CurbStopBattle [[CurbStompBattle do with it]].
17th Dec '17 2:26:26 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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** Maybe Starfleet doesn't want to risk drawing attention to Khan. Specifically, they don't want to draw the ''Klingons''' attention to Khan. At the time of his exile, the Klingons were still dealing with the effects of the augment virus. That means that they would probably love to get their hands on a group of human augments for medical purposes (or, less euphemistically, medical ''experimentation''). That would be a huge problem for Starfleet, because Khan and his followers feel no loyalty to the Federation, and they've all just memorized the technical details of the ''Constitution''-class starship. The film stresses that Khan is a poor starship captain, but he was still able to use that knowledge to cripple the ''Enterprise''. Imagin what a battle-hardened Klingon captain could [[CurbStopBattle do with it]].

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** Maybe Starfleet doesn't want to risk drawing attention to Khan. Specifically, they don't want to draw the ''Klingons''' attention to Khan. At the time of his exile, the Klingons were still dealing with the effects of the augment virus. That means that they would probably love to get their hands on a group of human augments for medical purposes (or, less euphemistically, medical ''experimentation''). That would be a huge problem for Starfleet, because Khan and his followers feel no loyalty to the Federation, and they've all just memorized the technical details of the ''Constitution''-class starship. The film stresses that Khan is a poor starship captain, but he was still able to use that knowledge to cripple the ''Enterprise''. Imagin Imagine what a battle-hardened Klingon captain could [[CurbStopBattle do with it]].
17th Dec '17 2:25:20 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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** Maybe Starfleet doesn't want to risk drawing attention to Khan. Specifically, they don't want to draw the ''Klingons''' attention to Khan. At the time of his exile, the Klingons were still dealing with the effects of the augment virus. That means that they would probably love to get their hands on a group of human augments for medical purposes (or, less euphemistically, medical ''experimentation''). That would be a huge problem for Starfleet, because Khan and his followers feel no loyalty to the Federation, and they've all just memorized the technical details of the ''Constitution''-class starship. The film stresses that Khan is a poor starship captain, but he was still able to use that knowledge to cripple the ''Enterprise''. Imagin what a battle-hardened Klingon captain could [[CurbStopBattle do with it]].
27th Nov '17 8:27:27 AM Bense
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*** Bodies from the earlier attack would have already been removed. Scotty did seem to personally be suffering from radiation exposure when he took the mains offline - he collapses in the midst of reporting what he's doing to Kirk (good thing [=McCoy=] is there to catch him). He's lying on the floor when Spock comes in to fix the engines.
8th Nov '17 10:06:36 AM Mark2000
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*** Kirk calls down several times and gets no answer. Not even a low level engineer is responding to direct calls to the bridge. Spock leaves without Kirk noticing until the ship escapes, so he wasn't delegating responsibility. As for TOS, give it a watch again. Kirk is always in engineering during a crisis. He rarely calls down. Kirk in TOS is essential to solution process. Scotty rarely has ideas on his own.


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***We don't get a sense of that, though. There are no dead bodies laying around. I doubt Scott personally went in and took the mains offline. He had someone do it and there are plenty of people in there. Maybe if they had a pile of bodies in the chamber it would make more sense.


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* What was the point of taking the main engines off line? Scotty says "radiation", but there is still radiation all over the deck to the point that Scotty conveniently passes out. After Spock puts the engines back on there is no radiation in main engineering anymore. Only in the chamber. No one worries about it anymore.
8th Nov '17 9:29:53 AM Bense
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** Kirk says "Scotty, give me warp speed in 3 minutes or we're all dead," and latter calls down again to ask "what's going on down there?" while Spock is doing the actual repair work. That's pretty consistent with the series.
** The real question might be "why doesn't Scotty order someone in to fix the warp drive"? The answer is probably "there wasn't anyone left in Engineering sufficiently skilled to do it." Scotty was already overcome by the radiation, and Engineering had lost most of its people, which was mostly trainees anyway, in the initial attack. Spock might have been the only one onboard who could fix the Warp drive at that point, which Spock himself realized.
8th Nov '17 9:23:27 AM Bense
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* Chekov bluntly tells Kirk, "They put creatures in our bodies!" when he's found in the storage locker. Why doesn't McCoy automatically scan them and see if they're compromised? Why doesn't Kirk order this? Why is this line here just to be ignored by everyone?

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* Chekov bluntly tells Kirk, "They put creatures in our bodies!" when he's found in the storage locker. Why doesn't McCoy [=McCoy=] automatically scan them and see if they're compromised? Why doesn't Kirk order this? Why is this line here just to be ignored by everyone?everyone?
** [=McCoy=] probably did scan them right after they were found in the locker, but didn't focus on scanning their skulls for invasive alien lifeforms and so missed that until later.
7th Nov '17 4:28:56 PM Mark2000
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* Chekov bluntly tells Kirk, "They put creatures in our bodies!" when he's found in the storage locker. Why doesn't McCoy automatically scan them and see they're compromised? Why doesn't Kirk order this? Why is this line here just to be ignored by everyone?

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* Chekov bluntly tells Kirk, "They put creatures in our bodies!" when he's found in the storage locker. Why doesn't McCoy automatically scan them and see if they're compromised? Why doesn't Kirk order this? Why is this line here just to be ignored by everyone?
7th Nov '17 11:06:01 AM Mark2000
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* Kirk is very unKirk like throughout this film, but he's especially dumb at the end. In the Original Series he was always going down to engineering to push Scotty into doing what couldn't be done. When he hearing the mains are off in TWOK he sits on the bridge and pretty much accepts death. He doesn't go down to scope out the situation, and, most importantly, he doesn't order anyone into the radiation room to die to save everyone else. Who cares if "no human can tolerate" it? Send in another guy when he dies. And another. And another. If 10 guys equal one Spock then that's still 290 less than 300.

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* Kirk is very unKirk like throughout this film, but he's especially dumb at the end. In the Original Series he was always going down to engineering to push Scotty into doing what that couldn't be done. When he hearing hears the mains are off in TWOK he sits on the bridge and pretty much accepts death. He doesn't go down to scope out the situation, and, most importantly, he doesn't order anyone into the radiation room to die to save everyone else. Who cares if "no human can tolerate" it? Send in another guy when he dies. And another. And another. If 10 guys equal one Spock then that's still 290 less than 300.
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