History Headscratchers / StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan

27th May '16 11:38:09 PM Statzkeen
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*** Another possibility is that the scene actually plays out faster than the viewer sees, because they don't want to split screen and show both ships simultaneously. But a lot of that action is happening at the same time, so when they say on the ''Enterprise'' that ''Reliant'' is raising shields, Khan is already saying lock phasers simultaneously to that.
7th Apr '16 2:51:09 PM costanton11
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*** Plus in David and Carol's case, they would have been just plain confused about what the heck is going on. Especially David, look at it from his perspective. David was under the impression that Kirk was responsible for the massacre of the scientists and intended to seize Genesis. Then suddenly some guy named Khan calls in and tells Terrell to kill Kirk. Terrell then talks about trying to obey and then kills himself. Then Chekov passes out and some weird creature crawls out of his ear, which is destroyed. Then Khan takes Genesis and Kirk tells him that Khan wanted him. Then Khan says that he's marooning Kirk just as Kirk did to him. Then Kirk screams Khan's name. David is probably completely baffled about this turn of events.
12th Mar '16 4:24:59 AM JeweledSkull
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** In real life, it is illegal to discuss what material the NCLEX (the licensing exam for nurses in the United States of America) covers. It happens anyway, but this troper has yet to hear of someone getting in trouble for doing just that. Maybe Starfleet treats the Kobayashi Maru the same way.
12th Mar '16 2:49:52 AM JeweledSkull
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** I'd also point out that the evasive maneuver he ''does'' order is a banking turn to starboard, maximizing the area of ''Enterprise's''hull exposed to the ''Reliant's'' weapons. Kirk virtually guaranteed that even without targeting sensors, Khan would score a hit.

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** I'd also point out that the evasive maneuver he ''does'' order is a banking turn to starboard, maximizing the area of ''Enterprise's''hull '' Enterprise's '' hull exposed to the ''Reliant's'' '' Reliant's '' weapons. Kirk virtually guaranteed that even without targeting sensors, Khan would score a hit.



* How come, only Spock gets the glorious funeral? Didn't a whole lot of other crewman, including Scotty's nephew, die in the fighting against Khan? If they would have shot all those people onto the Genesis planet, they all would have been resurrected like Spock, and Scotty could have brought his nephew home alive. All in all, the Genesis device (like the transporter) is yet another Trek gizmo that can only bring certain people back to life, and then its resurrection powers are swept under the table, rather than shown for the society altering device that it really is. Think about it: Fire the Genesis device over a graveyard.....

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* How come, only Spock gets the glorious funeral? Didn't a whole lot of other crewman, including Scotty's nephew, die in the fighting against Khan? If they would have shot all those people onto the Genesis planet, they all would have been resurrected like Spock, and Scotty could have have brought his nephew home alive. All in all, the Genesis device (like the transporter) is yet another Trek gizmo that can only bring certain people back to life, and then its resurrection powers are swept under the table, rather than shown for the society altering device that it really is. Think about it: Fire the Genesis device over a graveyard.....
2nd Feb '16 5:16:09 AM alchixinren
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** There ''is'' a guy with a radiation suit at the ready, but he's clearly out of it as he's still knocking his head against a support pole when Kirk rushes down to the chamber.
11th Jan '16 11:07:17 AM LBHills
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** If you go by actual science, the ''Reliant'' had to find a lifeless space body that existed in a location that would provide ideal conditions for carbon-based life: the Goldilocks zone. Not too close or too far from its parent star. One could probably use the Genesis device on mercury or pluto, but any life generated there would burn or freeze to death in short order. It's possible in the trek universe that most known planets in Goldilocks zones are already host to life of SOME kind.
*** It also has to be borne in mind that this still in the testing phase of development. When you are still in the testing phase the requirements are always far more stringent than in-vivo usage. Any errors in a testing phase have to be because of a fault in the thing you are testing, and they cannot be even slightly possible because of external factors. So it would have to be sterile (otherwise it is "how do you know that you weren't just amplifying existing life") and it has to be in the goldilocks zone so that any failure to thrive cannot be because of distance to the star, and it has to be the right mass so that any failure due to gravitational factors are not because of mass present, etc and so on. We could probably list at least a couple of hundred really specific factors with even modern scientific knowledge, and imagine how many more science in the [=23rdC=] could come up with or related to how Genesis works. Even with so many planets to choose from, it could still give Reliant a massive headache to find one that ticks all the boxes (and that list of factors probably includes "off the main spacelanes and not near any borders" in order to preserve the secrecy of the project). They probably also want more than one candidate too, just in case.

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** If you go by actual science, the ''Reliant'' had to find a lifeless space body that existed in a location that would provide ideal conditions for carbon-based life: the Goldilocks zone. Not too close or too far from its parent star. One could probably use the Genesis device on mercury or pluto, but any life generated there would burn or freeze to death in short order. It's possible in the trek Trek universe that most known planets in Goldilocks zones are already host to life of SOME kind.
*** It also has to be borne in mind that this still in the testing phase of development. When you are still in the testing phase the requirements are always far more stringent than in-vivo usage. Any errors in a testing phase have to be because of a fault in the thing you are testing, and they cannot be even slightly possible because of external factors. So it would have to be sterile (otherwise it is "how do you know that you weren't just amplifying existing life") and it has to be in the goldilocks Goldilocks zone so that any failure to thrive cannot be because of distance to the star, and it has to be the right mass so that any failure due to gravitational factors are not because of mass present, and it has to receive less than a certain level of radiation, etc and so on. We could probably list at least a couple of hundred really specific factors with even modern scientific knowledge, and imagine how many more science in the [=23rdC=] could come up with or related to how Genesis works. Even with so many planets to choose from, it could still give Reliant a massive headache to find one that ticks all the boxes (and that list of factors probably includes "off the main spacelanes and not near any borders" in order to preserve the secrecy of the project). They probably also want more than one candidate too, just in case.so they can pick the 'best' (and, eventually, replicate the experiment).
11th Jan '16 10:57:44 AM LBHills
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** The really sad part is that TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot because their movie had to be self-contained (and within a reasonable budget). Had [[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration TNG]] existed at the time, having Khan's children or grandchildren pop up as masters of an augment Hegemony (after taking over whichever gangster-, Nazi- or cowboy-planet they chose) would have been an entertaining link between the eras.
11th Jan '16 10:49:35 AM LBHills
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***** They both recognize each other, and Chekov talks about what happened in the episode, so even though Chekov didn't appear on screen in the TV episode in the context of the movie he was there.

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***** They both recognize each other, and Chekov talks about what happened in the episode, so even though Chekov didn't appear on screen in the TV episode in the context of the movie he was there. (He must have been standing BehindTheBlack.)



** Most likely, the chambers were not the only part to break. Either their navigation system failed to stay on course, or the systems intended to awaken them didn't go off and they flew right ''past'' their intended target, still snoozing.



*** Especially since he apparently had a ''lot'' less than the 72 Augments he started out with. Realistically, an Augment is only a bit stronger than a Vulcan. The simple fact is that Khan did not have the means to even go back and conquer Earth, much less the entire Federation. Given his lack of experience in space combat, Khan would get creamed in an engagement against more than one starship. As it was, it was only Kirk's lack of vigilance that enabled him to nearly take ''Enterprise''. So, ground combat is out. Space combat is out. Terrorism would be his only possible weapon, offensive or defensive. Genesis provided exactly that. He might also want the bargaining chip. With as few Augments as he had left, there was not enough of a gene pool for them to become a viable species onto themselves. Khan would need to obtain genetic engineering resources (or else the Federation's secret stash of Augment embryos).

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*** Especially since he apparently had a ''lot'' less than the 72 Augments he started out with. Realistically, an Augment is only a bit stronger than a Vulcan. The simple fact is that Khan did not have the means to even go back and conquer Earth, much less the entire Federation. Given his lack of experience in space combat, Khan would get creamed in an engagement against more than one starship. As it was, it was only Kirk's lack of vigilance that enabled him to nearly take ''Enterprise''. So, ground combat is out. Space combat is out. Terrorism would be his only possible weapon, offensive or defensive. Genesis provided exactly that. He might also want the bargaining chip. With as few Augments as he had left, there was not enough of a gene pool for them to become a viable species onto themselves. Khan would need to obtain genetic engineering resources (or else the Federation's secret stash of Augment embryos).embryos, if he knew of them).



** An easy explanation would be that they were genetically engineered to be as healthy as possible for as long as possible. In the Star Trek universe, genetic engineering can do anything, even keeping you looking twenty-fife for most of your life (see: [[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration TNG: Unnatural Selection]]).

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** An easy explanation would be that they were genetically engineered to be as healthy as possible for as long as possible. In the Star Trek universe, genetic engineering can do anything, even keeping you looking twenty-fife twenty-five for most of your life (see: [[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration TNG: Unnatural Selection]]).
20th Dec '15 6:54:18 AM osbert
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**"Ale" likely is a mistranslation, or perhaps just easier to pronounce than the Romulan name. As to why they sip and gulp, it could be like some of our liquors. You can sip a shot of rye whiskey, or mix it with ginger ale if you're sharing it around socially. Maybe they're having Romulan Ale and 7-Up with the Klingon delegation. What is more fitting than adding water to the wine at a diplomatic function? Strangely, Romulan Ale is bright blue no matter what it is mixed with, and the hangover effect is not diluted.
18th Dec '15 9:15:52 PM nombretomado
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*** SFDebris in his review gives an explanation which sounds fairly plausible: The other ceti eel tried to force the other Starfleet guy to act against his morals, and he ended up shooting himself with a phaser, killing both. The eel in Chekov could sense this and learned from it, and when it reached a similar situation with him resisting, it decided to leave rather than risk the same fate.

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*** SFDebris WebSite/SFDebris in his review gives an explanation which sounds fairly plausible: The other ceti eel tried to force the other Starfleet guy to act against his morals, and he ended up shooting himself with a phaser, killing both. The eel in Chekov could sense this and learned from it, and when it reached a similar situation with him resisting, it decided to leave rather than risk the same fate.
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