History Headscratchers / StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan

5th Sep '17 6:10:04 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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*** In Uhura's defense, she was a lieutenant in the command division in her [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness first two appearances]], and she took over as first officer during Commander Spock and Mr. Scott's absence in "The Galileo Seven." Also, in the animated series, she took command of ''Enterprise'' on two occasions--though, ''TAS'' is, at best, mostly apocryphal with a few canon details sprinkled in. The expanded universe would actually have her become the head of Starfleet Intelligence at some point after serving aboard ''Enterprise''[[note]] Again, though, expanded universe novels are even less canonical than the Animated Series[[/note]].
31st Aug '17 10:48:17 AM PeachLover94
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** In the presumably semi-canon novel ''To Reign In Hell: The Exile of Khan Noonien Singh'' by Greg Cox, Chekov was part of an off-camera [[RedShirt security team]] that led a failed attempt at retaking Main Engineering from Khan and his followers during the events of [[Recap/StarTrekS1E22SpaceSeed Space Seed]]. Khan himself recognized the audacity and bravery of Chekov, even though he was an enemy. Later, as Khan, Lt. Marla McGivers and Khan's followers were sent down to Ceti Alpha V, the very same Chekov led another security team to help set up shop on the planet. That is the closest to canon answer we may ever get for how Khan recognizes Chekov.
19th Jul '17 8:20:47 PM costanton11
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** The novelization indeed has most of ''Reliant's'' engineering crew enslaved by Ceti eels, and still running and repairing the ship for their new masters. Note that Kirk's trick of the prefix code works because Kahn's crew are not experienced, and can't find the override quickly enough.

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** The novelization indeed has most of ''Reliant's'' engineering crew enslaved by Ceti eels, and still running and repairing the ship for their new masters. Note that Kirk's trick of the prefix code works because Kahn's Khan's crew are not experienced, and can't find the override quickly enough.
17th Jul '17 8:59:04 AM Bense
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** The novelization indeed has most of ''Reliant's'' engineering crew enslaved by Ceti eels, and still running and repairing the ship for their new masters. Note that Kirk's trick of the prefix code works because Kahn's crew are not experienced, and can't find the override quickly enough.
16th Jul '17 3:31:42 PM costanton11
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[[folder: How do Kahn and his followers from 300 years ago become proficient in operating a 23rd century Star Ship with no training?]]
* Kahn and his followers are from the 20th century. They have exactly zero experience or training in 23rd century star ship operations. So how do they operate the Reliant so proficiently? Yes, I know they are genetically-enhanced and have the ability to read technical manuals instantly (as established in "Space Seed"), but there has got to be a lot more involved to operating a 23rd century ship then the ability to read and memorize technical manuals. We're talking about technology that didn't even exist at all in their time. It's hard to believe they would even be able to comprehend what it is, let alone use it effectively. For comparison, imagine a captain and crew of an 18th century ship attempting to operate a modern nuclear-powered Aircraft Carrier. Even if they had the ability to instantly read and memorize information, would that really be all they needed to run it effectively?

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[[folder: How do Kahn Khan and his followers from 300 years ago become proficient in operating a 23rd century Star Ship with no training?]]
* Kahn Khan and his followers are from the 20th century. They have exactly zero experience or training in 23rd century star ship operations. So how do they operate the Reliant so proficiently? Yes, I know they are genetically-enhanced and have the ability to read technical manuals instantly (as established in "Space Seed"), but there has got to be a lot more involved to operating a 23rd century ship then the ability to read and memorize technical manuals. We're talking about technology that didn't even exist at all in their time. It's hard to believe they would even be able to comprehend what it is, let alone use it effectively. For comparison, imagine a captain and crew of an 18th century ship attempting to operate a modern nuclear-powered Aircraft Carrier. Even if they had the ability to instantly read and memorize information, would that really be all they needed to run it effectively?



** Chekov was a) not an assigned member of the ''Enterprise'' crew and therefore not technically in the chain of command, b) still recovering from having a bug in his brain, and c) possibly in line to face a court martial for his actions in assisting Kahn, even though it was under duress from said brain bug; so he probably wouldn't have been Kirk's first choice. In fact it might have been considered bending the rules to let him take the weapons station during the final battle.

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** Chekov was a) not an assigned member of the ''Enterprise'' crew and therefore not technically in the chain of command, b) still recovering from having a bug in his brain, and c) possibly in line to face a court martial for his actions in assisting Kahn, Khan, even though it was under duress from said brain bug; so he probably wouldn't have been Kirk's first choice. In fact it might have been considered bending the rules to let him take the weapons station during the final battle.
15th Jul '17 2:59:37 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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** They probably got the basics from the technical manuals--at least enough to understand a modern starship's capabilities, if not actually how to operate it. That part's probably being handled off-screen by a skeleton crew of Starfleet personnel with Ceti Eels wrapped around their brains. That's really the only plausible way that ''Reliant'' could have made repairs in any reasonable amount of time after they were forced to withdraw from the first firefight (the augments might be arrogant, but even Khan couldn't want someone who has never even ''seen'' a warp reactor to tinker with the warp reactor). They were probably planing to learn as much as they could from the Starfleet crew, and then airlock them when they felt like they could run the ship on their own.

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** They probably got the basics from the technical manuals--at least enough to understand a modern starship's capabilities, if not actually how to operate it. That part's probably being handled off-screen by a skeleton crew of Starfleet personnel with Ceti Eels wrapped around their brains. That's really the only plausible way that ''Reliant'' could have made repairs in any reasonable amount of time after they were forced to withdraw from the first firefight (the augments might be arrogant, but even Khan couldn't want someone who has never even ''seen'' a warp reactor to tinker with the warp reactor). They were probably planing to learn as much as they could from the Starfleet crew, and then airlock them when as soon as they felt like they could run the ship on their own.
15th Jul '17 2:58:15 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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** They probably got the basics from the technical manuals--at least enough to understand a modern starship's capabilities, if not actually how to operate it. That part's probably being handled off-screen by a skeleton crew of Starfleet personnel with Ceti Eels wrapped around their brains. That's really the only plausible way that ''Reliant'' could have made repairs in any reasonable amount of time after they were forced to withdraw from the first firefight (the augments might be arrogant, but even Khan couldn't want someone who has never even ''seen'' a warp reactor to tinker with the warp reactor). They were probably planing to learn as much as they could from the Starfleet crew, and then airlock them when they felt like they could run the ship on their own.
14th Jul '17 4:36:07 PM Ohio9
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[[folder: How do Kahn and his followers from 300 years ago become proficient in operating a 23rd century Star Ship with no training?]]
* Kahn and his followers are from the 20th century. They have exactly zero experience or training in 23rd century star ship operations. So how do they operate the Reliant so proficiently? Yes, I know they are genetically-enhanced and have the ability to read technical manuals instantly (as established in "Space Seed"), but there has got to be a lot more involved to operating a 23rd century ship then the ability to read and memorize technical manuals. We're talking about technology that didn't even exist at all in their time. It's hard to believe they would even be able to comprehend what it is, let alone use it effectively. For comparison, imagine a captain and crew of an 18th century ship attempting to operate a modern nuclear-powered Aircraft Carrier. Even if they had the ability to instantly read and memorize information, would that really be all they needed to run it effectively?
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12th Jun '17 12:58:43 PM Conhale
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** [[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration Data]]: Correction, sir, that's blown out.
12th Jun '17 10:00:20 AM Bense
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** ''Reliant'' isn't supposed to be hanging around near Regula One, she's supposed to be off finding a Genesis test site in the remote corners of the Federation. That explains why ''Enterprise'' is dispatched to investigate as the closest ship available and why Kirk is surprised when ''Reliant'' shows up while they're still on their way from Earth to Regula One. It's likely Starfleet did try to contact ''Reliant'', but expected them to be too far away from Regula to do anything useful, so they sent ''Enterprise'' in to investigate immediately. It can take a long time to get a response to a transmission if a ship is in a remote location, so it wouldn't have been unusual for Starfleet to not have gotten an immediate response from ''Reliant''. Both Starfleet and Kirk seem to have assumed that the threat was something like the Klingons or the Romulans, rather than a hijacked Starfleet vessel, which is an assumption that came back to bite them hard.


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** Chekov was a) not an assigned member of the ''Enterprise'' crew and therefore not technically in the chain of command, b) still recovering from having a bug in his brain, and c) possibly in line to face a court martial for his actions in assisting Kahn, even though it was under duress from said brain bug; so he probably wouldn't have been Kirk's first choice. In fact it might have been considered bending the rules to let him take the weapons station during the final battle.
** Sulu is a good choice to take over, and he commanded the ''Enterprise'' several times during the original series, but perhaps Kirk wanted to keep his most experienced helmsman at the helm while the ''Enterprise'' was traveling through the remnants of a nebula, fleeing an energy wave with unknown characteristics with a jury-rigged warp drive that could fail unexpectedly at any moment. In the novelization Sulu is injured during the battle in the nebula (David performs CPR and saves his life), and so Sulu isn't available to take the conn at that point.
** Uhura was never given command of the ''Enterprise'' during the original series, so it's possible that she isn't a "command-line" officer with proper command training, which means she isn't in the chain of command.
** Saavik ''is'' a command-line cadet (or she wouldn't have been commanding the ''Enterprise'' in the ''Kobayashi Maru'' simulation at the beginning of the film), she has been formally assigned to ''Enterprise'', and she already had the conn several times earlier in the film. If you're not going to choose Sulu, then Saavik becomes the obvious next best choice, especially if the major threat seems to have already been dealt with.
** Or Kirk could have not been thinking this through because he realized what Spock's empty chair and Bone's tone of voice probably meant, and he just said the first name that came to him as he hurried out.
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