History Headscratchers / StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan

3rd Oct '16 1:47:07 PM Bense
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** By the Next Generation they have automatic force fields that activate to prevent depressurization from a hull breach (for an example, see ''Nemesis''). The shuttle bay clearly has the same sort of tech in the first movie, so it might be present in engineering here. And no, you wouldn't be sucked out through a tiny hole in a ship pressurized at Earth-normal atmosphere. SpaceDoesNotWorkThatWay

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** By the Next Generation time the ''Enterprise-B'' is commissioned in ''Generations'' they have automatic force fields that activate to prevent depressurization from a hull breach (for an example, see ''Nemesis''). The shuttle bay clearly has the same sort of breach, so that tech in the first movie, so it might already be present in engineering here. And no, you wouldn't be sucked out through a tiny hole in a ship pressurized at Earth-normal atmosphere. SpaceDoesNotWorkThatWay
5th Aug '16 6:09:36 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Wait, so the entire reason this all happened is because Chekov thought he was beaming down to Ceti Alpha VI but got a faceful of KHAN instead and wasn't on guard for it. But... if Ceti Alpha V's ecosystem was messed up by CA ''VI'' exploding, why did the entire crew of the ''Reliant'' think that the planet was the ''sixth''? Shouldn't that only mess up the count from the "seventh" planet on? Couldn't anyone count the planets from the star and notice one was missing and one was not as it should be according to the very star charts Kirk filed? PlotHole! But TheyJustDidntCare. And this movie is so good, [[MST3KMantra neither should you]].

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* Wait, so the entire reason this all happened is because Chekov thought he was beaming down to Ceti Alpha VI but got a faceful of KHAN instead and wasn't on guard for it. But... if Ceti Alpha V's ecosystem was messed up by CA ''VI'' exploding, why did the entire crew of the ''Reliant'' think that the planet was the ''sixth''? Shouldn't that only mess up the count from the "seventh" planet on? Couldn't anyone count the planets from the star and notice one was missing and one was not as it should be according to the very star charts Kirk filed? PlotHole! But TheyJustDidntCare. And this movie is so good, [[MST3KMantra neither should you]].[[MST3KMantrayou shouldn't care]].
21st Jul '16 4:03:26 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** It's actually a lampshaded in the next movie, Spock's dad wants to know why the hell they didn't bring his body back to Vulcan and doesn't really get a good answer.
27th May '16 11:38:09 PM Statzkeen
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*** Another possibility is that the scene actually plays out faster than the viewer sees, because they don't want to split screen and show both ships simultaneously. But a lot of that action is happening at the same time, so when they say on the ''Enterprise'' that ''Reliant'' is raising shields, Khan is already saying lock phasers simultaneously to that.
7th Apr '16 2:51:09 PM costanton11
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*** Plus in David and Carol's case, they would have been just plain confused about what the heck is going on. Especially David, look at it from his perspective. David was under the impression that Kirk was responsible for the massacre of the scientists and intended to seize Genesis. Then suddenly some guy named Khan calls in and tells Terrell to kill Kirk. Terrell then talks about trying to obey and then kills himself. Then Chekov passes out and some weird creature crawls out of his ear, which is destroyed. Then Khan takes Genesis and Kirk tells him that Khan wanted him. Then Khan says that he's marooning Kirk just as Kirk did to him. Then Kirk screams Khan's name. David is probably completely baffled about this turn of events.
12th Mar '16 4:24:59 AM JeweledSkull
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** In real life, it is illegal to discuss what material the NCLEX (the licensing exam for nurses in the United States of America) covers. It happens anyway, but this troper has yet to hear of someone getting in trouble for doing just that. Maybe Starfleet treats the Kobayashi Maru the same way.
12th Mar '16 2:49:52 AM JeweledSkull
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** I'd also point out that the evasive maneuver he ''does'' order is a banking turn to starboard, maximizing the area of ''Enterprise's''hull exposed to the ''Reliant's'' weapons. Kirk virtually guaranteed that even without targeting sensors, Khan would score a hit.

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** I'd also point out that the evasive maneuver he ''does'' order is a banking turn to starboard, maximizing the area of ''Enterprise's''hull '' Enterprise's '' hull exposed to the ''Reliant's'' '' Reliant's '' weapons. Kirk virtually guaranteed that even without targeting sensors, Khan would score a hit.



* How come, only Spock gets the glorious funeral? Didn't a whole lot of other crewman, including Scotty's nephew, die in the fighting against Khan? If they would have shot all those people onto the Genesis planet, they all would have been resurrected like Spock, and Scotty could have brought his nephew home alive. All in all, the Genesis device (like the transporter) is yet another Trek gizmo that can only bring certain people back to life, and then its resurrection powers are swept under the table, rather than shown for the society altering device that it really is. Think about it: Fire the Genesis device over a graveyard.....

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* How come, only Spock gets the glorious funeral? Didn't a whole lot of other crewman, including Scotty's nephew, die in the fighting against Khan? If they would have shot all those people onto the Genesis planet, they all would have been resurrected like Spock, and Scotty could have have brought his nephew home alive. All in all, the Genesis device (like the transporter) is yet another Trek gizmo that can only bring certain people back to life, and then its resurrection powers are swept under the table, rather than shown for the society altering device that it really is. Think about it: Fire the Genesis device over a graveyard.....
2nd Feb '16 5:16:09 AM alchixinren
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** There ''is'' a guy with a radiation suit at the ready, but he's clearly out of it as he's still knocking his head against a support pole when Kirk rushes down to the chamber.
11th Jan '16 11:07:17 AM LBHills
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** If you go by actual science, the ''Reliant'' had to find a lifeless space body that existed in a location that would provide ideal conditions for carbon-based life: the Goldilocks zone. Not too close or too far from its parent star. One could probably use the Genesis device on mercury or pluto, but any life generated there would burn or freeze to death in short order. It's possible in the trek universe that most known planets in Goldilocks zones are already host to life of SOME kind.
*** It also has to be borne in mind that this still in the testing phase of development. When you are still in the testing phase the requirements are always far more stringent than in-vivo usage. Any errors in a testing phase have to be because of a fault in the thing you are testing, and they cannot be even slightly possible because of external factors. So it would have to be sterile (otherwise it is "how do you know that you weren't just amplifying existing life") and it has to be in the goldilocks zone so that any failure to thrive cannot be because of distance to the star, and it has to be the right mass so that any failure due to gravitational factors are not because of mass present, etc and so on. We could probably list at least a couple of hundred really specific factors with even modern scientific knowledge, and imagine how many more science in the [=23rdC=] could come up with or related to how Genesis works. Even with so many planets to choose from, it could still give Reliant a massive headache to find one that ticks all the boxes (and that list of factors probably includes "off the main spacelanes and not near any borders" in order to preserve the secrecy of the project). They probably also want more than one candidate too, just in case.

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** If you go by actual science, the ''Reliant'' had to find a lifeless space body that existed in a location that would provide ideal conditions for carbon-based life: the Goldilocks zone. Not too close or too far from its parent star. One could probably use the Genesis device on mercury or pluto, but any life generated there would burn or freeze to death in short order. It's possible in the trek Trek universe that most known planets in Goldilocks zones are already host to life of SOME kind.
*** It also has to be borne in mind that this still in the testing phase of development. When you are still in the testing phase the requirements are always far more stringent than in-vivo usage. Any errors in a testing phase have to be because of a fault in the thing you are testing, and they cannot be even slightly possible because of external factors. So it would have to be sterile (otherwise it is "how do you know that you weren't just amplifying existing life") and it has to be in the goldilocks Goldilocks zone so that any failure to thrive cannot be because of distance to the star, and it has to be the right mass so that any failure due to gravitational factors are not because of mass present, and it has to receive less than a certain level of radiation, etc and so on. We could probably list at least a couple of hundred really specific factors with even modern scientific knowledge, and imagine how many more science in the [=23rdC=] could come up with or related to how Genesis works. Even with so many planets to choose from, it could still give Reliant a massive headache to find one that ticks all the boxes (and that list of factors probably includes "off the main spacelanes and not near any borders" in order to preserve the secrecy of the project). They probably also want more than one candidate too, just in case.so they can pick the 'best' (and, eventually, replicate the experiment).
11th Jan '16 10:57:44 AM LBHills
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** The really sad part is that TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot because their movie had to be self-contained (and within a reasonable budget). Had [[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration TNG]] existed at the time, having Khan's children or grandchildren pop up as masters of an augment Hegemony (after taking over whichever gangster-, Nazi- or cowboy-planet they chose) would have been an entertaining link between the eras.
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