History Headscratchers / StarTrekFirstContact

24th May '17 6:03:56 PM MitchellTF
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** And, for why the 'life signs' thing was ignored? It is likely that after Q-Who, the first thing Picard did was recalibrate sensors so as to detect 'sleeping' Borg. It's likely that 'regenerating' Borg read as corpses, due to quirks...so it's just a matter of searching for 'dead' Borg...the chance of a false positive are minimal.
24th May '17 6:03:56 PM MitchellTF
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24th May '17 6:00:12 PM MitchellTF
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*** Well, the reason he asked for the machine gun? Nicky the Nose is the guy who had the machine gun? Why he didn't just ask for the machine gun? ...He's used to thinking in terms of 'scenarios'...And his brain derped because HOLY CRAP BORG!
20th May '17 2:44:52 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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** Actually, we also have T'Pol's otherwise unexplained five day personal trip to Pennsylvania, which is part of the official embassy log. This is a character who, in her earliest appearances, expressed disdain for the very concept of exploration taking a 5,000 mile round trip from Sausalito, California to rural Pennsylvania for no other explicable reason--if she just wanted to see a defunct coal mine, there are several she could have visited in Alameda County. And it's true that keeping the incident out of the history books wouldn't ''require'' the cooperation of the Earth government, which is why I used the word "or." First Contact was such an important event that ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' establishes it's a Federation-wide holiday in the late 24[[superscript:th]] century. Historians like to study the events connected to holidays both major and minor. They scour journals, official reports, news stories, and even oral history. If there were any information that contradicts the accepted First Contact narrative, it ''would'' eventually be found and studied. If you doubt that, just compare what's taught about Columbus Day today to what was taught about it a half century ago. Those historians would have had 89 years between ''First Contact'' and "Carbon Creek" to scrutinize every Vulcan file they could get their hands on for mentions of Earth or its solar system, so if they haven't found it by now, it's probably being kept from them. Again, if it happened--which based on what we're shown in the episode, I'm inclined to believe it did.

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** Actually, we also have T'Pol's otherwise unexplained five day personal trip to Pennsylvania, which is part of the official embassy log. This is a character who, in her earliest appearances, expressed disdain for the very concept of exploration taking a 5,000 mile round trip from Sausalito, California to rural Pennsylvania for no other explicable reason--if she just wanted to see a defunct coal mine, there are several she could have visited in Alameda County. And it's true that keeping the incident out of the history books wouldn't ''require'' the cooperation of the Earth government, which is why I used the word "or." First Contact was such an important event that ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' establishes it's a Federation-wide holiday in the late 24[[superscript:th]] century. Historians like to study the events connected to holidays both major and minor. They scour journals, official reports, news stories, and even oral history. If there were any information that contradicts the accepted First Contact narrative, it ''would'' eventually be found and studied. If you doubt that, just compare what's taught about Columbus Day today to what was taught about it a half century ago. Those historians would have had 89 years between ''First Contact'' and "Carbon Creek" to scrutinize every Vulcan file they could get their hands on for mentions of Earth or its solar system, so if they haven't found it by now, it's probably being kept from them. Again, that's if it happened--which based on what we're shown in the episode, I'm inclined to believe it did.
19th May '17 10:03:25 PM thespecialneedsgroup
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** Actually, we also have T'Pol's otherwise unexplained five day personal trip to Pennsylvania, which is part of the official embassy log. This is a character who, in her earliest appearances, expressed disdain for the very concept of exploration taking a 5,000 mile round trip from Sausalito, California to rural Pennsylvania for no other explicable reason--if she just wanted to see a defunct coal mine, there are several she could have visited in Alameda County. And it's true that keeping the incident out of the history books wouldn't ''require'' the cooperation of the Earth government, which is why I used the word "or." First Contact was such an important event that ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' establishes it's a Federation-wide holiday in the late 24[[superscript:th]] century. Historians like to study the events connected to holidays both major and minor. They scour journals, official reports, news stories, and even oral history. If there were any information that contradicts the accepted First Contact narrative, it ''would'' eventually be found and studied. If you doubt that, just compare what's taught about Columbus Day today to what was taught about it a half century ago. Those historians would have had 89 years between ''First Contact'' and "Carbon Creek" to scrutinize every Vulcan file they could get their hands on for mentions of Earth or its solar system, so if they haven't found it by now, it's probably being kept from them--again, if it happened. Which based on what we're shown in the episode, I'm inclined to believe it did.

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** Actually, we also have T'Pol's otherwise unexplained five day personal trip to Pennsylvania, which is part of the official embassy log. This is a character who, in her earliest appearances, expressed disdain for the very concept of exploration taking a 5,000 mile round trip from Sausalito, California to rural Pennsylvania for no other explicable reason--if she just wanted to see a defunct coal mine, there are several she could have visited in Alameda County. And it's true that keeping the incident out of the history books wouldn't ''require'' the cooperation of the Earth government, which is why I used the word "or." First Contact was such an important event that ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' establishes it's a Federation-wide holiday in the late 24[[superscript:th]] century. Historians like to study the events connected to holidays both major and minor. They scour journals, official reports, news stories, and even oral history. If there were any information that contradicts the accepted First Contact narrative, it ''would'' eventually be found and studied. If you doubt that, just compare what's taught about Columbus Day today to what was taught about it a half century ago. Those historians would have had 89 years between ''First Contact'' and "Carbon Creek" to scrutinize every Vulcan file they could get their hands on for mentions of Earth or its solar system, so if they haven't found it by now, it's probably being kept from them--again, them. Again, if it happened. Which happened--which based on what we're shown in the episode, I'm inclined to believe it did.
19th May '17 10:03:02 PM thespecialneedsgroup
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** Actually, we also have T'Pol's otherwise unexplained five day personal trip to Pennsylvania, which is part of the official embassy log. This is a character who, in her earliest appearances, expressed disdain for the very concept of exploration taking a 5,000 mile round trip from Sausalito, California to rural Pennsylvania for no other explicable reason--if she just wanted to see a defunct coal mine, there are several she could have visited in Alameda County. And it's true that keeping the incident out of the history books wouldn't ''require'' the cooperation of the Earth government, which is why I used the word "or." First Contact was such an important event that ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' establishes it's a Federation-wide holiday in the late 24[[superscript:th]] century. Historians like to study the events connected to holidays both major and minor. They scour journals, official reports, news stories, and even oral history. If there were any information that contradicts the accepted First Contact narrative, it ''would'' eventually be found and studied. If you doubt that, just compare what's taught about Columbus Day today to what was taught about it a half century ago. Those historians would have had 89 years between ''First Contact'' and "Carbon Creek" to scrutinize every Vulcan file they could get their hands on for mentions of Earth or its solar system, so if they haven't found it by now, it's probably being kept from them. Again, if it happened. Which based on what we're shown in the episode, I'm inclined to believe it did.

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** Actually, we also have T'Pol's otherwise unexplained five day personal trip to Pennsylvania, which is part of the official embassy log. This is a character who, in her earliest appearances, expressed disdain for the very concept of exploration taking a 5,000 mile round trip from Sausalito, California to rural Pennsylvania for no other explicable reason--if she just wanted to see a defunct coal mine, there are several she could have visited in Alameda County. And it's true that keeping the incident out of the history books wouldn't ''require'' the cooperation of the Earth government, which is why I used the word "or." First Contact was such an important event that ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' establishes it's a Federation-wide holiday in the late 24[[superscript:th]] century. Historians like to study the events connected to holidays both major and minor. They scour journals, official reports, news stories, and even oral history. If there were any information that contradicts the accepted First Contact narrative, it ''would'' eventually be found and studied. If you doubt that, just compare what's taught about Columbus Day today to what was taught about it a half century ago. Those historians would have had 89 years between ''First Contact'' and "Carbon Creek" to scrutinize every Vulcan file they could get their hands on for mentions of Earth or its solar system, so if they haven't found it by now, it's probably being kept from them. Again, them--again, if it happened. Which based on what we're shown in the episode, I'm inclined to believe it did.
19th May '17 10:02:25 PM thespecialneedsgroup
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** Actually, we also have T'Pol's otherwise unexplained five day personal trip to Pennsylvania, which is part of the official embassy log. This is a character who, in her earliest appearances, expressed disdain for the very concept of exploration taking a 5,000 mile round trip from Sausalito, California to rural Pennsylvania for no other explicable reason--if she just wanted to see a defunct coal mine, there are several she could have visited in Alameda County. And it's true that keeping the incident out of the history books wouldn't ''require'' the cooperation of the Earth government, which is why I used the word "or." First Contact was such an important event that ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' establishes it's a Federation-wide holiday in the late 24[[superscript:th]] century. Historians like to study the events connected to holidays both major and minor. They scour journals, official reports, news stories, and even oral history. If there were any information that contradicts the accepted First Contact narrative, it ''would'' eventually be found and studied. If you doubt that, just compare what's taught about Columbus Day today to what was taught about it a half century ago. Those historians would have had 89 years between ''First Contact'' and "Carbon Creek" to scrutinize every Vulcan file they could get their hands on for mentions of Earth or its solar system, so if they haven't found it by now, it's probably being kept from them.

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** Actually, we also have T'Pol's otherwise unexplained five day personal trip to Pennsylvania, which is part of the official embassy log. This is a character who, in her earliest appearances, expressed disdain for the very concept of exploration taking a 5,000 mile round trip from Sausalito, California to rural Pennsylvania for no other explicable reason--if she just wanted to see a defunct coal mine, there are several she could have visited in Alameda County. And it's true that keeping the incident out of the history books wouldn't ''require'' the cooperation of the Earth government, which is why I used the word "or." First Contact was such an important event that ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' establishes it's a Federation-wide holiday in the late 24[[superscript:th]] century. Historians like to study the events connected to holidays both major and minor. They scour journals, official reports, news stories, and even oral history. If there were any information that contradicts the accepted First Contact narrative, it ''would'' eventually be found and studied. If you doubt that, just compare what's taught about Columbus Day today to what was taught about it a half century ago. Those historians would have had 89 years between ''First Contact'' and "Carbon Creek" to scrutinize every Vulcan file they could get their hands on for mentions of Earth or its solar system, so if they haven't found it by now, it's probably being kept from them. Again, if it happened. Which based on what we're shown in the episode, I'm inclined to believe it did.
19th May '17 9:38:16 PM thespecialneedsgroup
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** Actually, we also have T'Pol's otherwise unexplained five day personal trip to Pennsylvania, which is part of the official embassy log. This is a character who, in her earliest appearances, expressed disdain for the very concept of exploration taking a 5,000 mile round trip from Sausalito, California to rural Pennsylvania for no other explicable reason--if she just wanted to see a defunct coal mine, there are several she could have visited in Alameda County. And it's true that keeping the incident out of the history books wouldn't ''require'' the cooperation of the Earth government, which is why I used the word "or." First Contact was such an important event that ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' establishes it's a Federation-wide holiday in the late 24[[superscript:th]] century. Historians like to study the events connected to holidays both major and minor. They scour journals, official reports, news stories, and even oral history. If there were any information that contradicts the accepted First Contact narrative, it ''would'' eventually be found and studied. If you doubt that, just compare what's taught about Columbus Day today to what was taught about it a half century ago. Those historians would have had 89 years between ''First Contact'' and "Carbon Creek" to scrutinize every Vulcan file they could get their hands on for mentions of Earth or its solar system, so if they haven't found it by now, it's probably being kept from them.



** Actually, we also have T'Pol's otherwise unexplained five day personal trip to Pennsylvania, which is part of the official embassy log. This is a character who, in her earliest appearances, expressed disdain for the very concept of exploration taking a 5,000 mile round trip from Sausalito, California to rural Pennsylvania for no other explicable reason--if she just wanted to see a defunct coal mine, there are several she could have visited in Alameda County. And it's true that keeping the incident out of the history books wouldn't ''require'' the cooperation of the Earth government, which is why I used the word "or." First Contact was such an important event that ''[[Series/StarTrekVoyager]]'' establishes it's a Federation-wide holiday in the late 24[[superscript:th]] century. Historians like to study the events connected to holidays both major and minor. They scour journals, official reports, news stories, and even oral history. If there were any information that contradicts the accepted First Contact narrative, it ''would'' eventually be found and studied. If you doubt that, just compare what's taught about Columbus Day today to what was taught about it a half century ago. Those historians would have had 89 years between ''First Contact'' and "Carbon Creek" to scrutinize every Vulcan file they could get their hands on for mentions of Earth or its solar system, so if they haven't found it by now, it's probably being kept from them.
19th May '17 9:36:44 PM thespecialneedsgroup
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** Actually, we also have T'Pol's otherwise unexplained five day personal trip to Pennsylvania, which is part of the official embassy log. This is a character who, in her earliest appearances, expressed disdain for the very concept of exploration taking a 5,000 mile round trip from Sausalito, California to rural Pennsylvania for no other explicable reason--if she just wanted to see a defunct coal mine, there are several she could have visited in Alameda County. And it's true that keeping the incident out of the history books wouldn't ''require'' the cooperation of the Earth government, which is why I used the word "or." First Contact was such an important event that ''[[Series/StarTrekVoyager]]'' establishes it's a Federation-wide holiday in the late 24[[superscript:th]] century. Historians like to study the events connected to holidays both major and minor. They scour journals, official reports, news stories, and even oral history. If there were any information that contradicts the accepted First Contact narrative, it ''would'' eventually be found and studied. If you doubt that, just compare what's taught about Columbus Day today to what was taught about it a half century ago. Those historians would have had 89 years between ''First Contact'' and "Carbon Creek" to scrutinize every Vulcan file they could get their hands on for mentions of Earth or its solar system, so if they haven't found it by now, it's probably being kept from them.
19th May '17 2:59:08 PM thatsnumberwang
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** No one knows if ''Carbon Creek'' is canonical or not as T'Pol immediately went on to deny it and the only physical evidence presented is a single tattered handbag in her quarters. Also, why would there be any need for cooperation with the Earth government? If this incident actually occurred than absolutely no one in the Vulcan government knows that Mestral is alive as T'Mir made out that he died in the crash. This incident was probably recorded as a footnote in some file somewhere and then forgotten about.
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