History Headscratchers / StarTrekFirstContact

17th Sep '17 1:34:57 PM TTP
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** Data and Picard have a very special connection, that is often overlooked. Beyond just their friendship, Picard explains it quite well to Lily, why he must try. "When I was captured by the Borg, my crew risked everything to save me. There is a person still on board this ship who I owe the same to". In Best of Both Worlds in TNG the crew indeed did go above and beyond to rescue Picard. Data in particular took quite a few personal risks, he was a part of both away teams that were sent in to rescue Picard. (The first one failed, leading to the cliffhanger) Then, later after Picard had been recovered, he was still programmed with Borg Imperial Dogma. Data hooked himself directly to Picard, and helped Picard re establish neural links and break the Borg hold. Therefore it could be said that Data did the most, put in herculean efforts, all to save Picard. So it is justified that Picard owes him the very same.

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** Data and Picard have a very special connection, that is often overlooked. Beyond just their friendship, Picard explains it quite well to Lily, why he must try. "When I was captured by the Borg, my crew risked everything to save me. There is a person still on board this ship who I owe the same to". In Best of Both Worlds in TNG the crew indeed did go above and beyond to rescue Picard. Data in particular took quite a few personal risks, he was a part of both away teams that were sent in to rescue Picard. (The first one failed, leading to the cliffhanger) Then, later after Picard had been recovered, he was still programmed with Borg Imperial Dogma. Data hooked himself directly to Picard, risking himself being assiimilated and his own neural net frying. He helped Picard re establish neural links and break the hold the Borg hold.had on him. Therefore it could be said that Data did the most, put in herculean efforts, all to save Picard. So it is justified that Picard owes him the very same.
17th Sep '17 12:35:07 PM TTP
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** Data and Picard have a very special connection, that is often overlooked. Beyond just their friendship, Picard explains it quite well to Lily, why he must try. "When I was captured by the Borg, my crew risked everything to save me. There is a person still on board this ship who I owe the same to". In Best of Both Worlds in TNG the crew indeed did go above and beyond to rescue Picard. Data in particular took quite a few personal risks, he was a part of both away teams that were sent in to rescue Picard. (The first one failed, leading to the cliffhanger) Then, later after Picard had been recovered, he was still programmed with Borg Imperial Dogma. Data hooked himself directly to Picard, and helped Picard re establish neural links and break the Borg hold. Therefore it could be said that Data did the most, put in herculean efforts, all to save Picard. So it is justified that Picard owes him the very same.
17th Sep '17 12:16:41 PM TTP
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** The Borg arrived at a time when Earth would be ripe to conquer. The Borg came back at a focal point, to prevent humanity from creating Warp Drive, which becomes the lynchpin of the later Federation. Picard later agrees, "Humanity is an easy target in this era". Obviously if their goal is to assimilate the whole species, it would be much easier to assimilate a single planet, then a large interstellar civilization like the Federation, which has spread out to a significant portion of the galaxy by the 24th century. Also in the start of Act II Data mentions they have arrived in a dark period of humanity, following the third world war. Riker even realizes this is a good strategy, most of the major cities have been destroyed, there are few governments left, therefore no resistance.

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** The Borg arrived at a time when Earth would be ripe to conquer. The Borg came back at a focal point, to prevent humanity from creating Warp Drive, which becomes the lynchpin of the later Federation. Picard later agrees, "Humanity is an easy target in this era". Obviously if their goal is to assimilate the whole species, it would be much easier to assimilate a single planet, then a large interstellar civilization like the Federation, which has spread out to a significant portion of the galaxy by the 24th century. Also Furthermore, in the start of Act II Data mentions they have arrived in a dark dark, bleak period of humanity, following the third world war. Riker even realizes muses this is a good strategy, most of the major cities have been destroyed, there are few governments left, therefore no resistance.resistance. Again, it would be much easier to assimilate a species that is struggling to put itself together, then one who has completely unified.
17th Sep '17 12:12:49 PM TTP
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** The Borg arrived at a time when Earth would be ripe to conquer. The Borg came back at a focal point, to prevent humanity from creating Warp Drive, which becomes the lynchpin of the later Federation. Picard later agrees, "Humanity is an easy target in this era". Obviously if their goal is to assimilate the whole species, it would be much easier to assimilate a single planet, then a large interstellar civilization like the Federation, which has spread out to a significant portion of the galaxy by the 24th century. Also in the start of Act II Data mentions they have arrived in a dark period of humanity, following the third world war. Riker even realizes this is a good strategy, most of the major cities have been destroyed, there are few governments left, therefore no resistance.
10th Aug '17 1:53:02 PM Hyrin
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** None of the other times he encountered the Borg was he part of a fleet setting out to engage them. Starfleet Command was likely worried that he would pull a LeeroyJenkins and screw up the plan they had (which was working rather well, compared to Wolf 359).
28th Jul '17 8:38:17 PM NewVirginiaCreeper
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*** For the record, Vulcan's star is 40 Eridani A (per some authorized background materials," 16.5 light years from us.

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*** For the record, Vulcan's star is 40 Eridani A (per some authorized background materials," materials), 16.5 light years from us.
26th Jul '17 9:46:08 AM Bense
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*** The problem is that the movie presents ''First Contact'' as the event that permanently changed humanity for the better, ''not'' the development of Warp Drive.

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*** The problem is that the movie presents ''First Contact'' as the event that permanently changed humanity for the better, ''not'' the development of Warp Drive. It's not the case that "humanity had evolved to a higher intellectual level, and developing the Warp Drive was the marker of that event", it's "humanity needed to know it wasn't alone in order to grow up." As has been pointed out, the Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians and many others all managed to develop the Warp Drive without maturing into civilizations that can play nice with others, so "developing the warp drive" seems a rather arbitrary criteria.
25th Jul '17 9:31:14 AM Bense
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*** The problem is that the movie presents ''First Contact'' as the event that permanently changed humanity for the better, ''not'' the development of Warp Drive.
23rd Jul '17 3:55:48 PM NewVirginiaCreeper
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** Consider how close Earth and Vulcan are, only a dozen or so light years apart. It's entirely possible that Vulcan would have been the first destination of any human exploratory mission, even if only by virtue of being one of the nearest habitable star systems (it might even be considered the nearest, depending on what future information is gathered on local stars). So regardless of whether or not the vulcan ship landed, there was a good chance that first contact would occur within a few days. Why not let it happen on the vulcans' terms, rather than the humans'? (Alternatively, given the proximity and tech level of Earth, the vulcan government might have actually set up a protocol for first contact with humanity.)

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** Consider how close Earth and Vulcan are, only a dozen or so light years apart. It's entirely possible that Vulcan would have been the first destination of any human exploratory mission, even if only by virtue of being one of the nearest habitable star systems (it might even be considered the nearest, depending on what future information is gathered on local stars). So regardless of whether or not the vulcan Vulcan ship landed, there was a good chance that first contact would occur within a few days. Why not let it happen on the vulcans' terms, rather than the humans'? (Alternatively, given the proximity and tech level of Earth, the vulcan Vulcan government might have actually set up a protocol for first contact with humanity.))
*** For the record, Vulcan's star is 40 Eridani A (per some authorized background materials," 16.5 light years from us.
18th Jul '17 7:58:22 AM ijffdrie
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** Consider how close Earth and Vulcan are, only a dozen or so light years apart. It's entirely possible that Vulcan would have been the first destination of any human exploratory mission, even if only by virtue of being one of the nearest habitable star systems (it might even be considred the nearest, depending on future information is gathered on local stars). So regardless of whether or not the vulcan ship landed, there was a good chance that first contact would occur within a few days. Why not let it happen on the vulcans' terms, rather than the humans'? (Alternatively, given the proximity and tech level of Earth, the vulcan government might have actually set up a protocol for first contact with humanity.)

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** Consider how close Earth and Vulcan are, only a dozen or so light years apart. It's entirely possible that Vulcan would have been the first destination of any human exploratory mission, even if only by virtue of being one of the nearest habitable star systems (it might even be considred considered the nearest, depending on what future information is gathered on local stars). So regardless of whether or not the vulcan ship landed, there was a good chance that first contact would occur within a few days. Why not let it happen on the vulcans' terms, rather than the humans'? (Alternatively, given the proximity and tech level of Earth, the vulcan government might have actually set up a protocol for first contact with humanity.)
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