History Headscratchers / StarTrek2009

8th Apr '17 7:30:09 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** It's said that they "outfitted their fastest ship" - it was likely built for some other purpose, which did require weapons, and then modified to contain the red matter. It's also possible that unfriendlies were expected - there are certainly some in the galaxy who could benefit from Romulus's destruction. Alternatively, Spock, having had about 200 years of experience in dealing with weird space anomalies, was GenreSavvy enough to add a little firepower, just in case.

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** It's said that they "outfitted their fastest ship" - it was likely built for some other purpose, which did require weapons, and then modified to contain the red matter. It's also possible that unfriendlies were expected - there are certainly some in the galaxy who could benefit from Romulus's destruction. Alternatively, Spock, having had about 200 years of experience in dealing with weird space anomalies, was GenreSavvy enough to add added a little firepower, just in case.
28th Feb '17 9:55:29 AM harlbior
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** Probably. Nero's ship seems to have exotic ordinance, so it may take time to manufacture more. He did just plough through 47 Klingon warbirds and several Federation starships, and when he tells his crew to "Fire everything!", the arsenal that is launched seems impressive, but is kinda small if you think about it.



** Probably. Nero's ship seems to have exotic ordinance, so it may take time to manufacture more. He did just plough through 47 Klingon warbirds and several Federation starships, and when he tells his crew to "Fire everything!", the arsenal that is launched seems impressive, but is kinda small if you think about it.
28th Feb '17 9:54:06 AM harlbior
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** Probably. Nero's ship seems to have exotic ordinance, so it may take time to manufacture more. He did just plough through 47 Klingon warbirds and several Federation starships, and when he tells his crew to "Fire everything!", the arsenal that is launched seems impressive, but is kinda small if you think about it.
7th Dec '16 12:29:00 PM brianify
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** Not to mention, why does Starfleet even need linguists on the bridge anyway? They've had universal translators for over a century, and Romulan isn't even a new language. I suppose the dialect of Nero's Romulans could be different enough after two hundred years to make a difference (imagine 19th century English speakers trying to make sense of leet-speak) but it's never mentioned that the translators are having trouble compensating. What gives?
5th Dec '16 8:32:05 AM brianify
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* Why exactly did Nero need information on Earth's border protection grid from Pike? While this might seem like good tactical planning on his part, it hardly seems necessary: the ''Narada'' just tore through an entire flotilla of top-line Federation capital ships like a fire axe through wet tissue paper. It seems incredibly unlikely that some automated sentry guns or shields (I assume) could even slow him down, much less pose a threat to him, or that the defenses around Earth would be more comprehensive than those around Vulcan (both are extremely important Federation systems). Does he have a limited supply of torpedoes or something?
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4th Oct '16 10:51:06 AM harlbior
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** Maybe the DelayedRippleEffect[=/=]StableTimeLoop occurs in Star Trek when a divergent reality is created but isn't strong enough to remain its own, separate universe, Thus, it collapses back onto its parent universe, overwriting it (in some cases, more gradually or severely than others). That's why the crew of Picard's Enterprise saw the Borg assimilate Earth in ''Film/StarTrekFirstContact'' and yet Prime Spock was able to follow Nero without being affected by Nero's incursion.
4th Oct '16 10:20:31 AM harlbior
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** You know how in Star Trek, when a ship's power goes out, it stops instead of coasting or spinning? My theory is that this is the External Inertial Dampers kicking in, thus preventing a ship from drifting or spinning out of control. Of course, Trek being Trek, this will fail occasionally for plot reasons.
4th Oct '16 9:46:47 AM harlbior
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* What bugs This Troper in the 2009 movie is that red matter. Spock created it to save the Romulans by destroying the star that was... whatever. The problem is that if he intended to destroy JUST ONE STAR and he only needed JUST ONE DROP of the stuff why did he have a giant ball of death on his ship, instead of a prepared ampule ready to be launched at a moments notice (somehow having a giant ball of death seems both impractical and ''illogical''). Another thing is that BigBad travels back through time and instead saving his homeworld he hides and broods for 25 years and decides to take revenge for something that has yet to happen (admittedly from his perspective it ''did'' happen), and even comments that he waited 25 years for his revenge and that he can't even lead a normal life when he spent the last 25 years brooding and planning his revenge..

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* What bugs This Troper in the 2009 movie is that red matter. Spock created it to save the Romulans by destroying the star that was... whatever. The problem is that if he intended to destroy JUST ONE STAR and he only needed JUST ONE DROP of the stuff why did he have a giant ball of death on his ship, instead of a prepared ampule ready to be launched at a moments notice (somehow having a giant ball of death seems both impractical and ''illogical''). Another thing is that BigBad travels back through time and instead saving his homeworld he hides and broods for 25 years and decides to take revenge for something that has yet to happen (admittedly from his perspective it ''did'' happen), and even comments that he waited 25 years for his revenge and that he can't even lead a normal life when he spent the last 25 years brooding and planning his revenge..revenge.
4th Oct '16 9:45:12 AM harlbior
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* What bugs This Troper in the 2009 movie is that red matter. Spock created it to save the Romulans by destroying the star that was... whatever. The problem is that if he intended to destroy JUST ONE STAR and he only needed JUST ONE DROP of the stuff why did he have a giant ball of death on his ship, instead of a prepared ampule ready to be launched at a moments notice (somehow having a giant ball of death seems both impractical and ''illogical''). Another thing is that BigBad travels back through time and instead saving his homeworld he hides and broods for 25 years and decides to take revenge for something that has yet to happen (admittedly from his perspective it ''did'' happen), and even comments that he waited 25 years for his revenge and that he can't even lead a normal life when he spent the last 25 years brooding and planning his revenge. Another ItJustBugsMe moment is, after Kirk wakes up on the Vega Delta ice planet, he is hunted by some alien dog-thing, and just before it bites Kirk's head off, a thing (resembling a red FreudWasRight with fangs and claws) pops from the ground, kills the dog, ''throws it away'' and starts hunting a human about one quarter of the size of the dog (instead of just, you know, eating the ready one course dog-meal).
** 1. That could be the minimum amount it was possible to refine, and/or the big red ball could be more stable than smaller amounts. 2. Really, really pissed off, remember? 3. Maybe it's tasted human before and liked it. If you bite into a Lima Bean, and realize there's an ice cream cone nearby, wouldn't you spit it out? Or, more simply, it really wanted Kirk in the first place and just didn't want the other thing to get it.

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* What bugs This Troper in the 2009 movie is that red matter. Spock created it to save the Romulans by destroying the star that was... whatever. The problem is that if he intended to destroy JUST ONE STAR and he only needed JUST ONE DROP of the stuff why did he have a giant ball of death on his ship, instead of a prepared ampule ready to be launched at a moments notice (somehow having a giant ball of death seems both impractical and ''illogical''). Another thing is that BigBad travels back through time and instead saving his homeworld he hides and broods for 25 years and decides to take revenge for something that has yet to happen (admittedly from his perspective it ''did'' happen), and even comments that he waited 25 years for his revenge and that he can't even lead a normal life when he spent the last 25 years brooding and planning his revenge. Another ItJustBugsMe moment is, after Kirk wakes up on the Vega Delta ice planet, he is hunted by some alien dog-thing, and just before it bites Kirk's head off, a thing (resembling a red FreudWasRight with fangs and claws) pops from the ground, kills the dog, ''throws it away'' and starts hunting a human about one quarter of the size of the dog (instead of just, you know, eating the ready one course dog-meal).
revenge..
** 1. That could be the minimum amount it was possible to refine, and/or the big red ball could be more stable than smaller amounts. 2. Really, really pissed off, remember? 3. Maybe it's tasted human before and liked it. If you bite into a Lima Bean, and realize there's an ice cream cone nearby, wouldn't you spit it out? Or, more simply, it really wanted Kirk in the first place and just didn't want the other thing to get it.remember?


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** Maybe it's tasted human before and liked it. If you bite into a Lima Bean, and realize there's an ice cream cone nearby, wouldn't you spit it out? Or, more simply, it really wanted Kirk in the first place and just didn't want the other thing to get it.
5th Aug '16 6:08:41 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** I think TheyJustDidntCare.



** Doesn't excuse this. Building a starship on the surface is beyond stupid. In the entire pre-2009 canon, the Intrepid-class (e.g. ''Voyager'') is the first Federation starship of any reasonable size able to land on a planet. That's 100+ years more technology than ST:2009, and in a ship maybe a quarter the size of the ST:2009 Enterprise. There are hundreds of good reasons why building a starship on a planet surface is ludicrously inefficient, and also why any design which allows for planet-side construction results in a noticeably sub-par startship (i.e. design compromises to allow for building/flight deep in a gravity well are severely non-optimal for space travel). It's a gratuitous break from canon (and logic), all for the sake of a single shot, not even plot-relevant. Yeah, it's not even CriticalResearchFailure, it's TheyJustDidntCare.

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** Doesn't excuse this. Building a starship on the surface is beyond stupid. In the entire pre-2009 canon, the Intrepid-class (e.g. ''Voyager'') is the first Federation starship of any reasonable size able to land on a planet. That's 100+ years more technology than ST:2009, and in a ship maybe a quarter the size of the ST:2009 Enterprise. There are hundreds of good reasons why building a starship on a planet surface is ludicrously inefficient, and also why any design which allows for planet-side construction results in a noticeably sub-par startship (i.e. design compromises to allow for building/flight deep in a gravity well are severely non-optimal for space travel). It's a gratuitous break from canon (and logic), all for the sake of a single shot, not even plot-relevant. Yeah, it's not even CriticalResearchFailure, it's TheyJustDidntCare.
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