History Headscratchers / StarTrek2009

26th Sep '17 9:25:01 AM Bense
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** There are a lot of things that block transporter beams - shields, ion storms, weird minerals in a planet's soil, etc. etc. Even with transwarp beaming eventually being available at every corner drugstore there will still be a need to have ships and shuttlecraft to get around the times it doesn't work.
5th Sep '17 12:04:40 PM MadAnthony94
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* [[SpaceX Space bilge]], probably made from particles of free-floating nebular dust condensed by exposure to the energy drift from the red matter, the supernova, or the ''Narada'''s temporal wake. [[{{Technobabble}} Or... something]].


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*** That is an imperfect analogy. It's more like taking a ''bucket wheel excavator''- which, like the ''Narada'', is made for resource gathering but is still equipped to pretty radically devastate the surrounding environment- back 200 years and see how the primitive screwheads react to it.
19th Jul '17 6:15:46 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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** That's actually canon in the prime universe. Dialogue makes it clear that Earth is one of the most heavily fortified positions in the entire Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Even at the height of hostilities, the Klingons never even ''considered'' assaulting Earth. The Breen, who have one of the more fearsome militaries in the ''Star Trek'' universe, ''did'' manage to conduct a demoralizing raid on San Francisco in the [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine DS9]] episode "[[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS07E20TheChangingFaceOfEvil The Changing Face of Evil]]," but none of the Breen task force actually managed to survive the raid.[[note]]To put that in perspective, later in the episode, a Breen fleet almost single-handedly [[CurbStompBattle destroyed 311 allied warships]], at an (on-screen) cost of just 4-5 ships of their own at the [[http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Chin%27toka Second Battle of Chin'toka.]][[/note]] There's really no reason that this version of Earth wouldn't be just as well defended as its counterpart in the regular timeline.

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** That's actually canon in the prime universe. Dialogue makes it clear that Earth is one of the most heavily fortified positions in the entire Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Even at the height of hostilities, the Klingons never even ''considered'' assaulting Earth. The Breen, who have one of the more fearsome militaries in the ''Star Trek'' universe, ''did'' manage to conduct a demoralizing raid on San Francisco in the [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine DS9]] episode "[[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS07E20TheChangingFaceOfEvil The Changing Face of Evil]]," but none of the Breen task force actually managed to survive the raid.[[note]]To put that in perspective, later in the episode, a Breen fleet almost single-handedly [[CurbStompBattle destroyed 311 allied warships]], at an (on-screen) cost of just 4-5 ships of their own at the [[http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Chin%27toka Second Battle of Chin'toka.]][[/note]] There's really no reason that this version of Earth wouldn't be just as well defended as its counterpart in the regular timeline. As powerful as the ''Narada'' is, Nero probably wouldn't be eager to launch a direct assault on Earth's defenses in anything short of a Borg Cube.
19th Jul '17 5:52:56 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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** That's actually canon in the prime universe. Dialogue makes it clear that Earth is one of the most heavily fortified positions in the entire Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Even at the height of hostilities, the Klingons never even ''considered'' assaulting Earth. The Breen, who have one of the more fearsome militaries in the ''Star Trek'' universe, ''did'' manage to conduct a demoralizing raid on San Francisco in the [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine DS9]] episode "[[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS07E20TheChangingFaceOfEvil The Changing Face of Evil]]," but none of the Breen task force actually managed to survive the raid.[[note]]To put that in perspective, later in the episode, a Breen fleet almost single-handedly [[CurbStompBattle destroyed 311 allied warships]], at an (on-screen) cost of 4-5 ships of their own at the [[http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Chin%27toka Second Battle of Chin'toka.]][[/note]] There's really no reason that this version of Earth wouldn't be just as well defended as its counterpart in the regular timeline.

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** That's actually canon in the prime universe. Dialogue makes it clear that Earth is one of the most heavily fortified positions in the entire Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Even at the height of hostilities, the Klingons never even ''considered'' assaulting Earth. The Breen, who have one of the more fearsome militaries in the ''Star Trek'' universe, ''did'' manage to conduct a demoralizing raid on San Francisco in the [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine DS9]] episode "[[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS07E20TheChangingFaceOfEvil The Changing Face of Evil]]," but none of the Breen task force actually managed to survive the raid.[[note]]To put that in perspective, later in the episode, a Breen fleet almost single-handedly [[CurbStompBattle destroyed 311 allied warships]], at an (on-screen) cost of just 4-5 ships of their own at the [[http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Chin%27toka Second Battle of Chin'toka.]][[/note]] There's really no reason that this version of Earth wouldn't be just as well defended as its counterpart in the regular timeline.
19th Jul '17 5:49:33 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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** That's actually canon in the prime universe. Dialogue makes it clear that Earth is one of the most heavily fortified positions in the entire Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Even at the height of hostilities, the Klingons never even ''considered'' assaulting Earth. The Breen, who have one of the more fearsome militaries in the ''Star Trek'' universe, ''did'' manage to conduct a demoralizing raid on San Francisco in the [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine DS9]] episode "[[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS07E20TheChangingFaceOfEvil The Changing Face of Evil]]," but none of the Breen task force actually managed to survive the raid.[[note]]To put that in perspective, later in the episode, a Breen fleet almost single-handedly [[CurbStompBattle destroyed 311 allied warships]], at an (on-screen) cost of 4-5 ships of their own at the [[http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Chin%27toka Second Battle of Chin'toka.]][[/note]] There's really no reason that this version of Earth wouldn't be just as well defended as its counterpart in the regular timeline.
18th Jul '17 8:14:37 PM AbnormalMoose
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** Earth, being the center of power for the Federation, may have a stronger defense grid than any other planet around, and while Nero probably could batter it down and destroy it, it might take him time. Time in which other ships would show up... more Starfleet ships, pissed off Klingon ships, curious Romulan ships, lots of people that might decide to start fighting him. And any time he's spending fighting is time he's not spending drilling, because as he's just recently had proven to him, fighting ships leaves the drill vulnerable to other methods of attack.
16th Jun '17 10:46:13 PM nombretomado
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** If it was intentional, it's definitely an application of the RuleOfCool. Kirk's supposed to be a stallion or [[BillAndTedsExcellentAdventure (Stallyn!)]], not a colt.

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** If it was intentional, it's definitely an application of the RuleOfCool. Kirk's supposed to be a stallion or [[BillAndTedsExcellentAdventure [[Film/BillAndTedsExcellentAdventure (Stallyn!)]], not a colt.
9th Jun '17 9:29:42 PM nombretomado
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* What precisely is the timeline change moment in the new film? Its implied heavily that it was George Kirk being killed (hence why James Tiberius grows up to be Jimmy Dean instead of a [[WilliamShatner large ham]]). But even before this, the command structure and technology of the USS Kelvin when it first encounters Nero's ship is way ahead of anything that would have been in the original series timeline at around the same time. So do we know exactly when the timeline diverged? Did it become an altered timeline the moment Nero's ship passed through the black hole (ala TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise")? I guess I would have just found all this timeline change stuff easier to swallow if the pre-timeline change ships looked (even vaguely) like they did in the 1960s series, so we've got some kind of "before" and "after". It really bugs me.

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* What precisely is the timeline change moment in the new film? Its implied heavily that it was George Kirk being killed (hence why James Tiberius grows up to be Jimmy Dean instead of a [[WilliamShatner [[Creator/WilliamShatner large ham]]). But even before this, the command structure and technology of the USS Kelvin when it first encounters Nero's ship is way ahead of anything that would have been in the original series timeline at around the same time. So do we know exactly when the timeline diverged? Did it become an altered timeline the moment Nero's ship passed through the black hole (ala TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise")? I guess I would have just found all this timeline change stuff easier to swallow if the pre-timeline change ships looked (even vaguely) like they did in the 1960s series, so we've got some kind of "before" and "after". It really bugs me.
8th Apr '17 7:30:09 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** It's said that they "outfitted their fastest ship" - it was likely built for some other purpose, which did require weapons, and then modified to contain the red matter. It's also possible that unfriendlies were expected - there are certainly some in the galaxy who could benefit from Romulus's destruction. Alternatively, Spock, having had about 200 years of experience in dealing with weird space anomalies, was GenreSavvy enough to add a little firepower, just in case.

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** It's said that they "outfitted their fastest ship" - it was likely built for some other purpose, which did require weapons, and then modified to contain the red matter. It's also possible that unfriendlies were expected - there are certainly some in the galaxy who could benefit from Romulus's destruction. Alternatively, Spock, having had about 200 years of experience in dealing with weird space anomalies, was GenreSavvy enough to add added a little firepower, just in case.
28th Feb '17 9:55:29 AM harlbior
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** Probably. Nero's ship seems to have exotic ordinance, so it may take time to manufacture more. He did just plough through 47 Klingon warbirds and several Federation starships, and when he tells his crew to "Fire everything!", the arsenal that is launched seems impressive, but is kinda small if you think about it.



** Probably. Nero's ship seems to have exotic ordinance, so it may take time to manufacture more. He did just plough through 47 Klingon warbirds and several Federation starships, and when he tells his crew to "Fire everything!", the arsenal that is launched seems impressive, but is kinda small if you think about it.
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