History Headscratchers / StarTrek2009

7th Dec '16 12:29:00 PM brianify
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** Not to mention, why does Starfleet even need linguists on the bridge anyway? They've had universal translators for over a century, and Romulan isn't even a new language. I suppose the dialect of Nero's Romulans could be different enough after two hundred years to make a difference (imagine 19th century English speakers trying to make sense of leet-speak) but it's never mentioned that the translators are having trouble compensating. What gives?
5th Dec '16 8:32:05 AM brianify
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* Why exactly did Nero need information on Earth's border protection grid from Pike? While this might seem like good tactical planning on his part, it hardly seems necessary: the ''Narada'' just tore through an entire flotilla of top-line Federation capital ships like a fire axe through wet tissue paper. It seems incredibly unlikely that some automated sentry guns or shields (I assume) could even slow him down, much less pose a threat to him, or that the defenses around Earth would be more comprehensive than those around Vulcan (both are extremely important Federation systems). Does he have a limited supply of torpedoes or something?
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4th Oct '16 10:51:06 AM harlbior
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** Maybe the DelayedRippleEffect[=/=]StableTimeLoop occurs in Star Trek when a divergent reality is created but isn't strong enough to remain its own, separate universe, Thus, it collapses back onto its parent universe, overwriting it (in some cases, more gradually or severely than others). That's why the crew of Picard's Enterprise saw the Borg assimilate Earth in ''Film/StarTrekFirstContact'' and yet Prime Spock was able to follow Nero without being affected by Nero's incursion.
4th Oct '16 10:20:31 AM harlbior
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** You know how in Star Trek, when a ship's power goes out, it stops instead of coasting or spinning? My theory is that this is the External Inertial Dampers kicking in, thus preventing a ship from drifting or spinning out of control. Of course, Trek being Trek, this will fail occasionally for plot reasons.
4th Oct '16 9:46:47 AM harlbior
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* What bugs This Troper in the 2009 movie is that red matter. Spock created it to save the Romulans by destroying the star that was... whatever. The problem is that if he intended to destroy JUST ONE STAR and he only needed JUST ONE DROP of the stuff why did he have a giant ball of death on his ship, instead of a prepared ampule ready to be launched at a moments notice (somehow having a giant ball of death seems both impractical and ''illogical''). Another thing is that BigBad travels back through time and instead saving his homeworld he hides and broods for 25 years and decides to take revenge for something that has yet to happen (admittedly from his perspective it ''did'' happen), and even comments that he waited 25 years for his revenge and that he can't even lead a normal life when he spent the last 25 years brooding and planning his revenge..

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* What bugs This Troper in the 2009 movie is that red matter. Spock created it to save the Romulans by destroying the star that was... whatever. The problem is that if he intended to destroy JUST ONE STAR and he only needed JUST ONE DROP of the stuff why did he have a giant ball of death on his ship, instead of a prepared ampule ready to be launched at a moments notice (somehow having a giant ball of death seems both impractical and ''illogical''). Another thing is that BigBad travels back through time and instead saving his homeworld he hides and broods for 25 years and decides to take revenge for something that has yet to happen (admittedly from his perspective it ''did'' happen), and even comments that he waited 25 years for his revenge and that he can't even lead a normal life when he spent the last 25 years brooding and planning his revenge..revenge.
4th Oct '16 9:45:12 AM harlbior
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* What bugs This Troper in the 2009 movie is that red matter. Spock created it to save the Romulans by destroying the star that was... whatever. The problem is that if he intended to destroy JUST ONE STAR and he only needed JUST ONE DROP of the stuff why did he have a giant ball of death on his ship, instead of a prepared ampule ready to be launched at a moments notice (somehow having a giant ball of death seems both impractical and ''illogical''). Another thing is that BigBad travels back through time and instead saving his homeworld he hides and broods for 25 years and decides to take revenge for something that has yet to happen (admittedly from his perspective it ''did'' happen), and even comments that he waited 25 years for his revenge and that he can't even lead a normal life when he spent the last 25 years brooding and planning his revenge. Another ItJustBugsMe moment is, after Kirk wakes up on the Vega Delta ice planet, he is hunted by some alien dog-thing, and just before it bites Kirk's head off, a thing (resembling a red FreudWasRight with fangs and claws) pops from the ground, kills the dog, ''throws it away'' and starts hunting a human about one quarter of the size of the dog (instead of just, you know, eating the ready one course dog-meal).
** 1. That could be the minimum amount it was possible to refine, and/or the big red ball could be more stable than smaller amounts. 2. Really, really pissed off, remember? 3. Maybe it's tasted human before and liked it. If you bite into a Lima Bean, and realize there's an ice cream cone nearby, wouldn't you spit it out? Or, more simply, it really wanted Kirk in the first place and just didn't want the other thing to get it.

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* What bugs This Troper in the 2009 movie is that red matter. Spock created it to save the Romulans by destroying the star that was... whatever. The problem is that if he intended to destroy JUST ONE STAR and he only needed JUST ONE DROP of the stuff why did he have a giant ball of death on his ship, instead of a prepared ampule ready to be launched at a moments notice (somehow having a giant ball of death seems both impractical and ''illogical''). Another thing is that BigBad travels back through time and instead saving his homeworld he hides and broods for 25 years and decides to take revenge for something that has yet to happen (admittedly from his perspective it ''did'' happen), and even comments that he waited 25 years for his revenge and that he can't even lead a normal life when he spent the last 25 years brooding and planning his revenge. Another ItJustBugsMe moment is, after Kirk wakes up on the Vega Delta ice planet, he is hunted by some alien dog-thing, and just before it bites Kirk's head off, a thing (resembling a red FreudWasRight with fangs and claws) pops from the ground, kills the dog, ''throws it away'' and starts hunting a human about one quarter of the size of the dog (instead of just, you know, eating the ready one course dog-meal).
revenge..
** 1. That could be the minimum amount it was possible to refine, and/or the big red ball could be more stable than smaller amounts. 2. Really, really pissed off, remember? 3. Maybe it's tasted human before and liked it. If you bite into a Lima Bean, and realize there's an ice cream cone nearby, wouldn't you spit it out? Or, more simply, it really wanted Kirk in the first place and just didn't want the other thing to get it.remember?


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** Maybe it's tasted human before and liked it. If you bite into a Lima Bean, and realize there's an ice cream cone nearby, wouldn't you spit it out? Or, more simply, it really wanted Kirk in the first place and just didn't want the other thing to get it.
5th Aug '16 6:08:41 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** I think TheyJustDidntCare.



** Doesn't excuse this. Building a starship on the surface is beyond stupid. In the entire pre-2009 canon, the Intrepid-class (e.g. ''Voyager'') is the first Federation starship of any reasonable size able to land on a planet. That's 100+ years more technology than ST:2009, and in a ship maybe a quarter the size of the ST:2009 Enterprise. There are hundreds of good reasons why building a starship on a planet surface is ludicrously inefficient, and also why any design which allows for planet-side construction results in a noticeably sub-par startship (i.e. design compromises to allow for building/flight deep in a gravity well are severely non-optimal for space travel). It's a gratuitous break from canon (and logic), all for the sake of a single shot, not even plot-relevant. Yeah, it's not even CriticalResearchFailure, it's TheyJustDidntCare.

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** Doesn't excuse this. Building a starship on the surface is beyond stupid. In the entire pre-2009 canon, the Intrepid-class (e.g. ''Voyager'') is the first Federation starship of any reasonable size able to land on a planet. That's 100+ years more technology than ST:2009, and in a ship maybe a quarter the size of the ST:2009 Enterprise. There are hundreds of good reasons why building a starship on a planet surface is ludicrously inefficient, and also why any design which allows for planet-side construction results in a noticeably sub-par startship (i.e. design compromises to allow for building/flight deep in a gravity well are severely non-optimal for space travel). It's a gratuitous break from canon (and logic), all for the sake of a single shot, not even plot-relevant. Yeah, it's not even CriticalResearchFailure, it's TheyJustDidntCare.
1st Aug '16 3:35:51 PM Bense
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How about the fact that those Starships are really, really heavy? The Enterprise, at least from the specs this troper could find on beta memory wiki, weights 190,000 metric tons. Can Starfleet tech accelerate that much mass to the 11 kilometers per second required to escape Earth's gravity without damaging the surrounding area as that would require a lot of force? Second observation, their tech also needs to be able to compensate for stuff like drag if it spends any time going through atmosphere since that ship might not be the most aerodynamic thing ever constructed.

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* How about the fact that those Starships are really, really heavy? The Enterprise, at least from the specs this troper could find on beta memory wiki, weights 190,000 metric tons. Can Starfleet tech accelerate that much mass to the 11 kilometers per second required to escape Earth's gravity without damaging the surrounding area as that would require a lot of force? Second observation, their tech also needs to be able to compensate for stuff like drag if it spends any time going through atmosphere since that ship might not be the most aerodynamic thing ever constructed.constructed.
* Starfleet has anti-gravity technology. So yes, it can indeed accelerate that much mass into orbit. Quite easily, in fact. The next movie features the ''Enterprise'' launching directly into space from underneath a planet's oceans, adding the weight of all the water that clings to it as well with no problem.
30th Jul '16 3:58:52 PM LongLiveHumour
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* By [[http://www.iucnredlist.org/static/categories_criteria_3_1 IUCN Red List criteria]], Vulcans are endangered. Any one of five criteria is enough to class a species as endangered; Vulcans meet the first, and possibly also the fifth.
** '''A) Population reduction.''' On the reasonable assumption that most of the population lived on Vulcan, the species has been reduced by over 70%.
** '''E)''' "Quantitative analysis showing the '''probability of extinction in the wild''' is at least 20% within 20 years or five generations, whichever is the longer (up to a maximum of 100 years)." This one's a bit of a leap, but there's a genocidal maniac with a super-powerful spaceship on Vulcan's doorstep, and none of the 10,000 refugees have made it to safety. Unscientifically vague, but Mr "7,824.7 to 1" Spock may well have performed the quantitative analysis himself. Finally, consider that Vulcans have very long lifespans, which usually means slow reproduction and a higher risk of extinction (since the populations take longer to replenish themselves). The remaining population is fragmented in colonies: less at risk from a single catastrophe ''*coughNerocough*'' but more vulnerable to small-scale catastrophes that could wipe out a small population.
** Note that a species is still endangered even if we anticipate a rescue attempt. If 80% of Earth's cows were to be abducted overnight by aliens, there'd be a massive effort to restore the population, but until the numbers bounce back they'd still be listed under E.
24th Jul '16 6:10:12 AM Sphynxsys
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*** Actually, this Jim's date of birth is January 4th - 2233.04 being the current stardate at the beginning of the movie. Gives more reason why Winona and George were so worried over his birth! He would have possibly been premature!

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*** **** Actually, this Jim's date of birth is January 4th - 2233.04 being the current stardate at the beginning of the movie. Gives more reason why Winona and George were so worried over his birth! He would have possibly been premature!
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