History Headscratchers / StarControl

16th Jan '16 8:19:24 PM Johnthedragon
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* What were the Ur-Quan like before the Dnyarri enslaved them? We're given several accounts, but they're contradictory - The Slylandro say they were "really nice" and always pleasant to them, while the Ur-Quan themselves say that they were aggressive, territorial beings who only really got along with the Taalo.

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* What were the Ur-Quan like before the Dnyarri enslaved them? We're given several accounts, but they're contradictory - The Slylandro say they were "really nice" and always pleasant to them, while the Ur-Quan themselves say that they were aggressive, territorial beings who only really got along with the Taalo.
** Likely, the Slylandro are alien enough to the Ur-Quan, plus the whole being unable to leave their home thing, that they don't perceive them as a threat, and treated them like the
Taalo.
25th Dec '15 8:27:14 PM NineTailedCat
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*** Given that the Syreen are able to reproduce with humans, that is unlikely. The more likely explanation is that it hasn't actually been all that much time since the destruction of Syra by the Mycon: it happened some 75 years before the first Alliance-Hierarchy War, so basically one human lifetime, more or less. Furthermore, it is likely that the Syreen fertility rate was pretty low for most of that time, since, until the Ur-Quan resettled the Syreen on Betelgeuse I, the Syreen were all living aboard spaceships, without room for large families. Finally, it is likely that the sex-balance has recovered over the 95 years between the destruction of Syra and the start of ''Star Control 2'', but it is still the case that the overwhelming majority of the Syreen Space Patrol are female, for the same reason that the Space Patrol was majority female in the first place: it's a reflection of deep-seated cultural values.

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*** Given that the Syreen are able to reproduce with humans, that is unlikely. The more likely explanation is that it hasn't actually been all that much time since the destruction of Syra by the Mycon: it happened some 75 years before the first Alliance-Hierarchy War, so basically one human lifetime, more or less. Furthermore, it is likely that the Syreen fertility rate was pretty low for most of that time, since, until the Ur-Quan resettled the Syreen on Betelgeuse I, the Syreen were all living aboard spaceships, without room for large families. Finally, it is likely that the sex-balance has recovered over the 95 years between the destruction of Syra and the start of ''Star Control 2'', but it is still the case that the overwhelming majority of the Syreen Space Patrol are female, for the same reason that the Space Patrol was majority female in the first place: it's a reflection of deep-seated cultural values.values.
* What were the Ur-Quan like before the Dnyarri enslaved them? We're given several accounts, but they're contradictory - The Slylandro say they were "really nice" and always pleasant to them, while the Ur-Quan themselves say that they were aggressive, territorial beings who only really got along with the Taalo.
30th Sep '15 2:12:58 AM Sabrewing
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** It's unstated exactly what materials those mines were yielding. If the Alliance somehow came upon three [[{{Unobtainium}} Tzo Crystal]] veins within a single star cluster, you can bet your bottom dollar that those would be supremely lucrative.
30th Aug '15 12:54:07 PM Oddstar6
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** One possibility is that, since Syreens are an alien race, they reproduce totally-differently, with females being able to produce more females on their own, and males being able to produce more males. Though this would raise the question of why they have genders at all...

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** One possibility is that, since Syreens are an alien race, they reproduce totally-differently, with females being able to produce more females on their own, and males being able to produce more males. Though this would raise the question of why they have genders at all...all...
*** Given that the Syreen are able to reproduce with humans, that is unlikely. The more likely explanation is that it hasn't actually been all that much time since the destruction of Syra by the Mycon: it happened some 75 years before the first Alliance-Hierarchy War, so basically one human lifetime, more or less. Furthermore, it is likely that the Syreen fertility rate was pretty low for most of that time, since, until the Ur-Quan resettled the Syreen on Betelgeuse I, the Syreen were all living aboard spaceships, without room for large families. Finally, it is likely that the sex-balance has recovered over the 95 years between the destruction of Syra and the start of ''Star Control 2'', but it is still the case that the overwhelming majority of the Syreen Space Patrol are female, for the same reason that the Space Patrol was majority female in the first place: it's a reflection of deep-seated cultural values.
30th Aug '15 4:55:47 AM Aquillion
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** Presumably the Ur-Quan have ways of keeping their battle thralls on a tight leash, otherwise the system wouldn't work at all. That would logically preclude developing any technology that the Ur-Quan would view as a threat -- I mean, "pretend to become battle thralls and build our forces so we can strike back" would be the very first thing most races would think of. (In the actual game, the Ur-Quan get distracted by the Kohr-Ah, so their thralls have a bit more freedom than usual, but the Chenjesu and Mmrnmhrm had no way of knowing that would happen.)
30th Aug '15 4:51:57 AM Aquillion
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** The Pkunk are a race of pacifists. While they fight when they have to, it's not unreasonable that they just don't produce as good pilots as the Ilwrath. Additionally, the Ilwrath sphere of influence is much bigger; it's possible the Ilwrath have a larger population and better industrial production, especially when it comes to military matters. (Which, again, makes sense, since the Ilwrath have been Hierarchy slaves for a while now and are presumably on permanent war footing, whereas the pacifistic Pkunk probably devoted their resources to cultural / artistic endeavors until they were attacked. And possibly they didn't shift to a war footing even then, because they don't actually seem very concerned... which might be justified because they consider themselves to have reincarnative immortality.
30th Aug '15 4:40:27 AM Aquillion
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** Another possible answer: As mentioned below, the Syreen were the last race in the Alliance to fall, while the humans were the first. When the humans were beaten, the Ur-Quan had reasons to worry that another race might free them and continue the fight, so they had more reasons to be thorough in crushing human military capacity. By the time the Syreen were beaten, that wasn't as much of a concern, so they could afford to save some Syreen ships in case the technology was useful in the future.
30th Aug '15 4:38:00 AM Aquillion
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** The [[WatsonianVersusDoylist Doylist]] reason, of course, is that it would have mostly been a waste of time to code in an alert probe for those places, since it wouldn't have introduced any new information and would have been easy for the player to handle at that point. From an in-universe perspective...
** The Chenjesu are heavily protected by the Ilwrath; they're not just in their sphere of influence. (In fact, you have to use the hyperwave broadcaster to trick the Ilwrath away before you can even approach.) A probe would have been unnecessary.
** For the Syreen, look at the timeline. The humans were one of the first races to fall. The alliance crumbled after that, since the Arilou left, the Yehat surrendered, the Shofixi blew themselves up, and Chenjesu and Mmrnmhrm were crushed. The Syreen were canonically the last race in the sector to fall. Hence, when the humans were slave-shielded, there was reason for the Ur-Quan to worry that someone might attack the planet with the goal of freeing them. By the time the Syreen were beaten, there wasn't anyone left to worry about, so they could be more lax. (This also explains why the Ilwrath and most of the Spathi left to guard Earth eventually skipped town; there wasn't really any point after the rest of the Alliance was crushed.)
30th Aug '15 4:26:31 AM Aquillion
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* Why did the Ur-Quan seem so much more worried about Earth than Gaia or Procyon? Earth got the Spathi-Ilwrath Earthguard, plus that probe at the beginning designed to warn the Ur-Quan about any ships approaching Earth. There was nothing like that around either Procyon or Gaia. One would think that Procyon would be the planet they were most worried about, since the Chenjesu were the most technologically advanced members of the Alliance. If anyone could figure out how to break the slave-shield, it would be the Chenjesu (which of course turned out to be the case). Maybe they figured that they did not need a special guard around Procyon, since it fell within the Ilwrath postwar sphere of influence anyway, or around Gaia, since it was so close to their own sphere of influence, but why no alert probes?

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* Why did the Ur-Quan seem so much more worried about Earth than Gaia or Procyon? Earth got the Spathi-Ilwrath Earthguard, plus that probe at the beginning designed to warn the Ur-Quan about any ships approaching Earth. There was nothing like that around either Procyon or Gaia. One would think that Procyon would be the planet they were most worried about, since the Chenjesu were the most technologically advanced members of the Alliance. If anyone could figure out how to break the slave-shield, it would be the Chenjesu (which of course turned out to be the case). Maybe they figured that they did not need a special guard around Procyon, since it fell within the Ilwrath postwar sphere of influence anyway, or around Gaia, since it was so close to their own sphere of influence, but why no alert probes?probes?
* The Syreen try to justify being a SingleGenderRace by saying that most of their men died when they lost their original homeworld. But this was ages ago; wouldn't that only have affected that one generation? It's not like males and females are separate species. Even if culture shifted a bit over one generation, there should still be just as many males as females now. Or is this LamarckWasRight applied to demographics?
** One possibility is that, since Syreens are an alien race, they reproduce totally-differently, with females being able to produce more females on their own, and males being able to produce more males. Though this would raise the question of why they have genders at all...
30th Aug '15 4:21:59 AM Aquillion
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** Presumably there ''were'' hidden caches of human ships (and for all other slave-shielded races), stored safely far away from human space. But unlike the Syreen, the humans didn't determine where they were, and it didn't matter because they managed to preserve a copy of the Cruiser design specs anyway, so they never needed them.
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