History Headscratchers / SpecOpsTheLine

14th Mar '17 7:37:00 PM WorgenDeathKnight
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** There's a few possibilities. The first is that one of Konrad's last orders was simply not to come up to his penthouse for any reason, which does skirt the boundaries of 'plausible' a bit since eventually they'd radio up or send a guy up (orders be damned). The second is they simply didn't KNOW he was there at all considering there's zero guards around the penthouse and Adam's last stand can't have caused every single soldier - particularly those guarding their CO - to come running. The third, and perhaps most thematically fitting, is that the 33rd - at least those who find him - were simply in denial about his death, not unlike Walker. This also ties into why they'd not leave any guards around his penthouse, because they don't actually need any.

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** There's a few possibilities. The first is that one of Konrad's last orders was simply not to come up to his penthouse for any reason, which does skirt the boundaries of 'plausible' a bit since eventually they'd radio up or send a guy up (orders be damned). The second is they simply didn't KNOW he was there at all considering there's zero guards around the penthouse and Adam's last stand can't have caused every single soldier - particularly those guarding their CO - to come running. The third, and perhaps most thematically fitting, is that the 33rd - at least those who find him - were simply in denial about his death, not unlike Walker. This also ties into why It was easier to pretend they were still following their (living) CO's wishes, rather than admit to themselves that their beloved leader realised he'd fucked up big time and topped himself and they'd not leave any guards around his penthouse, because they don't actually need any.(metaphorically) damned themselves for nothing.
14th Mar '17 7:35:33 PM WorgenDeathKnight
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* Konrad committed suicide two weeks before the events of the game, yet no one thought to bury his body? I understand that full military honors may be impossible in a war zone, especially considering there's no way to send the body back home, but there's got to have been something the 33rd could have done besides leaving him slumped in a chair with a hole in his head. Quite an undignified death for such a respected military leader.

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* Konrad committed suicide two weeks before the events of the game, yet no one thought to bury his body? I understand that full military honors may be impossible in a war zone, especially considering there's no way to send the body back home, but there's got to have been something the 33rd could have done besides leaving him slumped in a chair with a hole in his head. Quite an undignified death for such a respected military leader.leader.
** There's a few possibilities. The first is that one of Konrad's last orders was simply not to come up to his penthouse for any reason, which does skirt the boundaries of 'plausible' a bit since eventually they'd radio up or send a guy up (orders be damned). The second is they simply didn't KNOW he was there at all considering there's zero guards around the penthouse and Adam's last stand can't have caused every single soldier - particularly those guarding their CO - to come running. The third, and perhaps most thematically fitting, is that the 33rd - at least those who find him - were simply in denial about his death, not unlike Walker. This also ties into why they'd not leave any guards around his penthouse, because they don't actually need any.
19th Feb '17 6:04:27 AM DoctorNemesis
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** There's also the valid question of how many men "all the rest of the 33rd" by that point consists of. By that point, after weeks of low rations, trying to maintain order in an increasingly chaotic and insane post-apocalyptic ruined city, an unprecedentedly massive sandstorm, low morale, and being gunned down by various forces including Walker and his mates, for all we know by that point "the rest of the 33rd" consists of a few dozen men, if that. Which might be tricky, but isn't entirely impossible odds for one man with a gun and enough ammunition.
13th Dec '16 10:51:44 AM dracogeorge
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*** Actually, according to the IMFDB, [[http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Spec_Ops:_The_Line#M224_Mortar the mortar]] used in game actually can't fire a WP round that would have the effect shown in game. The best it could do is a smoke marker round containing under a pound of white phosphorous, and it has an impact fuse, meaning it goes off when it hits the ground rather than airbursting like the rounds in game. According to them, the round that would work most like in the game is a 155mm one, meant for howitzers, not mortars (the M224 fires 60mm, and the largest caliber ever used by the modern US Army for a mortar is 120mm). So yeah, standard issue or not, they wouldn't have rounds or be able to fire rounds that would act like that.
21st Sep '16 6:58:31 PM Wveth
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*** If you're not emotionally invested in fiction, then that's fine, but it's absolutely not a matter of not distinguishing fantasy from reality. One of the major purposes of fiction is to engage on an emotional level. Suspension of disbelief. We understand that what we're reading/watching/playing is not real. Very few people have an actual problem with this. It's cathartic and healthy to be able to step into a fantasy, allow yourself to feel powerful emotions, and then step out and leave those emotions behind. This is why fiction has endured. Spec Ops: The Line is merely criticizing the worst possible variant of that generally good thing called emotive catharsis: when the power fantasy becomes our only frame of reference when we're asked to consider a real, complex situation.
19th Sep '16 2:50:52 PM HDM
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*** White phosphorus is legal if used as an incendiary agent actually. It's only considered illegal if its intent is to weaponize the '''toxicity''' of the smoke. So basically, using it to char people directly is OK, using the smoke as a cover is OK, but using the smoke to asphyxiate/poison people is not. Might be counter intuitive considering most people would rate being burned to death as inherently more heinous than being intoxicated by smoke, but the convention is what it is.
17th Sep '16 6:43:03 PM desudesu1998
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*** Black Ops especially, since it actually featured a dissociative disorder in the narrative and had some morally grey aspects to it as well. Perhaps nowhere near to this extent, but the storyline was relatively complex for the genre its in and even for Call of Duty as a whole. However, many of the more recent entries in the COD series (ones with Futuristic settings especially) blatantly fall into the category of the moral absolutism that Errant Signal describes, and are nowhere near an accurate depiction of actual warfare, definitely deserving the criticism that they have garnered.
13th Sep '16 4:10:39 PM Wade2012
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*** Also note that in Chapter 7, Lugo says "Gould's vital to our mission" and Adams says "Our mission is to rescue people" - both of them are wrong, their mission was recon. After Gould dies Lugo says "We got no idea what the fuck we're doin' here", which is an accurate assessment of Delta after trying to save Daniels to the end of the game.

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*** Also note that in Chapter 7, Lugo says "Gould's vital to our mission" and Adams says "Our mission is to rescue people" - both of them are wrong, their mission was recon. After Gould dies Lugo says "We got no idea what the fuck we're doin' here", which is an accurate assessment of Delta after trying to save Daniels to the end of the game.game.

* Konrad committed suicide two weeks before the events of the game, yet no one thought to bury his body? I understand that full military honors may be impossible in a war zone, especially considering there's no way to send the body back home, but there's got to have been something the 33rd could have done besides leaving him slumped in a chair with a hole in his head. Quite an undignified death for such a respected military leader.
6th Sep '16 8:49:11 AM desudesu1998
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** The CIA was sent in to investigate possibly months before Delta was. 6 months is actually a pretty reasonable period of time for the background setting sequence of events to take place. This is my understanding of the game's timeline: http://i.imgur.com/EgyVggo.png

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** The CIA was sent in to investigate possibly months before Delta was. 6 months is actually a pretty reasonable period of time for the background setting sequence of events to take place. This is my understanding of the game's timeline: http://i.[[http://i.imgur.com/EgyVggo.pngpng My understanding of the game's timeline]]
6th Sep '16 8:46:49 AM desudesu1998
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** The CIA was sent in to investigate possibly months before Delta was. 6 months is actually a pretty reasonable period of time for the background setting sequence of events to take place. This is my understanding of the game's timeline: http://i.imgur.com/EgyVggo.png
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