History Headscratchers / SonicUnderground

12th Mar '17 5:37:19 AM F1Krazy
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** Semi-explained, Robotnik apparently overthrew from the inside, and with him being a technological genius and apparently rolling in cash, it'd not out of the way for him to be able to build a much more powerful robot army or buy over the soldiers.
** My guess is a lage army of robots that took down everything the mobian army had without a dint, leaving but a few survivors such as Argus.
* I'll preface this by saying that, as a kid, I loved this series, but seriously, what is the deal with the prophecy? It's been a long time since I've seen the series but it honestly makes no sense. In order to overthrow Robotnik, Queen Alena must reunite with her children... but here's the kicker: in order for the prophecy to come true, she has to separate herself from her children. Well, duh, how else can she "reunite" with them? And why does she have to give them up in the first place? Does the act of reunion carry some huge, mystical power? To me, it sounds like a really bad excuse for an origin story.

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** Semi-explained, Semi-explained: Robotnik apparently overthrew from the inside, and with him being a technological genius and apparently rolling in cash, it'd it's not out of the way for him to be able to build a much more powerful robot army or buy over the soldiers.
** My guess is a lage large army of robots that took down everything the mobian Mobian army had without a dint, leaving but a few survivors such as Argus.
* I'll preface this by saying that, as a kid, I loved this series, but seriously, what is the deal with the prophecy? It's been a long time since I've seen the series but it honestly makes no sense. In order to overthrow Robotnik, Queen Alena Aleena must reunite with her children... but here's the kicker: in order for the prophecy to come true, she has to separate herself from her children. Well, duh, how else can she "reunite" with them? And why does she have to give them up in the first place? Does the act of reunion carry some huge, mystical power? To me, it sounds like a really bad excuse for an origin story.



** A mother hedgehog who resembles the queen and three babies on the run is a lot more conspicuous than a woman hedgehog who resembles the queen on the run, not mention the oracle told her to separate from her children but the whole making them grow up with different families was her own idea, and makes sense since Robotnik would expect them to be together
* Sleet and Dingo are bounty hunters who are working for Robotnik under penalty of imprisonment and/or robotisication, and not of the own volition. But Sleet has a remote that can turn Dingo in literally anything. Why doesn't Sleet just turn Dingo into an Uzi and defeat Robotnik and his troops?
** 1. Children's cartoon, buddy, and 2. Sleet and Dingo are power hungry, but at least in some episode's its established that they want to just finish this job and get paid. They don't really desire to control Mobius except in the three parter, and it seemed once they screwed that one up they gave up on the idea pretty quick.

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** A mother hedgehog who resembles the queen and three babies on the run is a lot more conspicuous than a woman hedgehog who resembles the queen on the run, not to mention the oracle Oracle told her to separate from her children but the whole making them grow up with different families was her own idea, and makes sense since Robotnik would expect them to be together
together.
* Sleet and Dingo are bounty hunters who are working for Robotnik under penalty of imprisonment and/or robotisication, roboticization, and not of the their own volition. But Sleet has a remote that can turn Dingo in literally anything. Why doesn't Sleet just turn Dingo into an Uzi and defeat Robotnik and his troops?
** 1. Children's cartoon, buddy, and 2. Sleet and Dingo are power hungry, but at least in some episode's its episodes it's established that they want to just finish this job and get paid. They don't really desire to control Mobius except in the three parter, three-parter, and it seemed once they screwed that one up they gave up on the idea pretty quick.



** [[AllThereInTheManual The answer may lie in the theme song]] "I long for my children, but I have to wait/ to act too soon could seal their fate"

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** [[AllThereInTheManual The answer may lie in the theme song]] song]]: "I long for my children, but I have to wait/ to act too soon could seal their fate"



** Maybe it was a last minute addition, since it's never mentioned in any other episode.
* Why is it when someone gets roboticized they end up looking like cyborgs yet Argus looks like a full robot. Also in this series Uncle Chuck looks more like a cyborg while in Satam he is a full robot, what's up with that?

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** Maybe it was a last minute last-minute addition, since it's never mentioned in any other episode.
* Why is it that when someone gets roboticized they end up looking like cyborgs cyborgs, yet Argus looks like a full robot. Also robot? Also, in this series Uncle Chuck looks more like a cyborg while in Satam [=SatAM=] he is a full robot, what's up with that?



* I just realized something, what would happen if Sleet and Dingo (somehow) planned a way to get Robotnik roboticized in his own roboticizer and it worked, would it mean Sleet and Dingo take over as rulers of Robotropolis and would it interfere with the prophecy?
** The Oracle's prediction is that the Council of Four defeats Robotnik. Assuming this is 100% accurate, then we can safely assume that nothing else can. Maybe the future [[YouCantFightFate can't be changed]], or maybe even with knowledge of how it plays out, any attempt you make to change it is simply [[YouAlreadyChangedThePast a static part of how it was meant to happen]]. Sleet and Dingo take over Robotropolis? Maybe they fail, or it's only temporary, or Robotnik himself regains control (possibly with the aid of the siblings, who become aware of what we're discussing here). Robotnik gets robotocized? Maybe the means to reverse it are discovered at some point, and Robotnik himself is the first to be restored. The Oracle never gave any details on what would happen before ''or'' after Aleena reunites with her children -- only that they will remove Robotnik ''for good''.
* In "Underground Masquerade", Sleet and Dingo get Manic arrested as part of a plan to embezzle tax money. Um, okay, but ''he's a freedom fighter and everybody knows this'', so why wouldn't Robotnik just order him Roboticized instead? Shouldn't his robots be programmed to alert him automatically when they capture a major resistance player?
** If you haven't noticed at the beginning of episode both Sleet and Dingo were thinking about ''taking the money for themselves by using Manic as a distraction''. Robotnik would happen to have no clue ''because'' Sleet wouldn't had even told Robotnick, otherwise the plan to take the money for themselves would fail the instant they said "We got Manic of the Sonic Underground, boss!"
* Just a minor one, but, is Dingo a robot/cyborg type creature? How else does he morph into anything from A to Z with the help of a remote?

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* I just realized something, what would happen if Sleet and Dingo (somehow) planned a way to get Robotnik roboticized in his own roboticizer and it worked, would it mean Sleet and Dingo take over as rulers of Robotropolis Mobius and would it interfere with the prophecy?
** The Oracle's prediction is that the Council of Four defeats Robotnik. Assuming this is 100% accurate, then we can safely assume that nothing else can. Maybe the future [[YouCantFightFate can't be changed]], or maybe even with knowledge of how it plays out, any attempt you make to change it is simply [[YouAlreadyChangedThePast a static part of how it was meant to happen]]. Sleet and Dingo take over Robotropolis? Maybe they fail, or it's only temporary, or Robotnik himself regains control (possibly with the aid of the siblings, who become aware of what we're discussing here). Robotnik gets robotocized? roboticized? Maybe the means to reverse it are discovered at some point, and Robotnik himself is the first to be restored.restored (or he retains his free will, like [[spoiler:Ifyoucan]] did). The Oracle never gave any details on what would happen before ''or'' after Aleena reunites with her children -- only that they will remove Robotnik ''for good''.
* In "Underground Masquerade", Sleet and Dingo get Manic arrested as part of a plan to embezzle tax money. Um, okay, but ''he's a freedom fighter and everybody knows this'', so why wouldn't Robotnik just order him Roboticized roboticized instead? Shouldn't his robots be programmed to alert him automatically when they capture a major resistance player?
** If you haven't noticed noticed, at the beginning of episode both Sleet and Dingo were thinking about ''taking the money for themselves by using Manic as a distraction''. Robotnik would happen to have no clue ''because'' Sleet wouldn't had even told Robotnick, Robotnik, otherwise the plan to take the money for themselves would fail the instant they said "We got Manic of the Sonic Underground, boss!"
* Just a minor one, but, but is Dingo a robot/cyborg type robot/cyborg-type creature? How else does he morph into anything from A to Z with the help of a remote?



* Say, if Uncle Chuck's is this series, does he have a royal title, or is he related to Sonic's never seen father?
** They don't neccesarily have to be related, Sonic could be calling him 'Uncle' the same way this troper calls her grandma's best friend 'Aunt' - because the parent/grandparent told them to, which could've later just stuck and give him a sense of family, after Sonic's foster parents were offed. Though, I do headcanon that he is a blood-related uncle, with the triplets father as his younger brother, but Chuck only had suspicions of Sonic's identity, no true confirmation, simply allowing the hedgehoglet to call him that because the foster parents introduced him/requested as such.

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* Say, if Uncle Chuck's Chuck is in this series, does he have a royal title, or is he related to Sonic's never seen never-seen father?
** They don't neccesarily necessarily have to be related, Sonic could be calling him 'Uncle' the same way this troper calls her grandma's best friend 'Aunt' - because the parent/grandparent told them to, which could've later just stuck and give gave him a sense of family, after Sonic's foster parents were offed. Though, I do headcanon that he is a blood-related uncle, with the triplets triplets' father as his younger brother, but Chuck only had suspicions of Sonic's identity, no true confirmation, simply allowing the hedgehoglet to call him that because the foster parents introduced him/requested as such.
11th Jan '17 10:49:24 AM UgunsGrekaFans
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** My guess is a lage army of robots that took down everything the mobian army had without a dint, leaving but a few survivors such as Argus.


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** Maybe it was a last minute addition, since it's never mentioned in any other episode.


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** Maybe it just has several functions and Robotnik occasionally switches them around for funzies.


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** Nanites is my best guess.
11th Jan '17 10:41:40 AM UgunsGrekaFans
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** They don't neccesarily have to be related, Sonic could be calling him 'Uncle' the same way this troper calls her grandma's best friend 'Aunt' - because the parent/grandparent told them to, which could've later just stuck and give him a sense of family, after Sonic's forster parents were offed. Though, I do headcanon that he is a blood-related uncle, with the triplets father as his younger brother, but Chuck only had suspicions of Sonic's identity, no true confirmation, simply allowing the hedgehoglet to call him that because the foster parents introduced him/requested as such.

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** They don't neccesarily have to be related, Sonic could be calling him 'Uncle' the same way this troper calls her grandma's best friend 'Aunt' - because the parent/grandparent told them to, which could've later just stuck and give him a sense of family, after Sonic's forster foster parents were offed. Though, I do headcanon that he is a blood-related uncle, with the triplets father as his younger brother, but Chuck only had suspicions of Sonic's identity, no true confirmation, simply allowing the hedgehoglet to call him that because the foster parents introduced him/requested as such.
11th Jan '17 10:40:52 AM UgunsGrekaFans
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** They don't neccesarily have to be related, Sonic could be calling him 'Uncle' the same way this troper calls her grandma's best friend 'Aunt' - because the parent/grandparent told them to, which could've later just stuck and give him a sense of family, after Sonic's forster parents were offed. Though, I do headcanon that he is a blood-related uncle, since the triplets fathers was his younger brother, but Chuck only had suspicions of Sonic's identity, no true confirmation, simply allowing the hedgehoglet to call him that because the foster parents introduced him/requested as such.

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** They don't neccesarily have to be related, Sonic could be calling him 'Uncle' the same way this troper calls her grandma's best friend 'Aunt' - because the parent/grandparent told them to, which could've later just stuck and give him a sense of family, after Sonic's forster parents were offed. Though, I do headcanon that he is a blood-related uncle, since with the triplets fathers was father as his younger brother, but Chuck only had suspicions of Sonic's identity, no true confirmation, simply allowing the hedgehoglet to call him that because the foster parents introduced him/requested as such.
11th Jan '17 10:39:54 AM UgunsGrekaFans
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** They don't neccesarily have to be related, Sonic could be calling him 'Uncle' the same way this troper calls her grandma's best friend 'Aunt' - because the parent/grandparent told them to, which could've later just stuck and give him a sense of family, after Sonic's forster parents were offed. Though, I do headcanon that he is a blood-related uncle, since the triplets fathers was his younger brother, but Chuck only had suspicions of Sonic's identity, no true confirmation, simply allowing the hedgehoglet to call him that because the foster parents introduced him/requested as such.
17th Jul '16 8:13:06 AM Brainiac0982
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** If you haven't noticed at the beginning of episode both Sleet and Dingo were thinking about ''taking the money for themselves by using Manic as a distraction''. Robotnick would happen to have no clue ''because'' Sleet wouldn't had even told Robotnick, otherwise the plan to take the money for themselves would fail the instant they said "We got Manic of the Sonic Underground, boss!"

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** If you haven't noticed at the beginning of episode both Sleet and Dingo were thinking about ''taking the money for themselves by using Manic as a distraction''. Robotnick Robotnik would happen to have no clue ''because'' Sleet wouldn't had even told Robotnick, otherwise the plan to take the money for themselves would fail the instant they said "We got Manic of the Sonic Underground, boss!"


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* Say, if Uncle Chuck's is this series, does he have a royal title, or is he related to Sonic's never seen father?
25th Jun '16 10:58:21 AM Ninetails2000
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** The previous two are all but confirmed to be the reason. The Oracle has outright told them that they need to build up to perfect harmony among them and master their weapons and powers before they can reunite and form the Council Of Four. The near-misses with Aleena were more so that she can give them support, confidence and hope without jumping the gun on the prophecy.
25th Nov '14 6:45:34 PM TheSnowSquirrel
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* Just a minor one, but, is Dingo a robot/cyborg type creature? How else does he morph into anything from A to Z with the help of a remote?
24th Jan '14 4:54:35 PM falsefortuneteller
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** 1. Children's cartoon, buddy, and 2. Sleet and Dingo are power hungry, but at least in some episode's its established that they want to just finish this job and get paid. They don't really desire to control Mobius except in the three parter, and it seemed once they screwed that one up they gave up on the idea pretty quick.
24th Jan '14 4:50:50 PM falsefortuneteller
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** Semi-explained, Robotnik apparently overthrew from the inside, and with him being a technological genius and apparently rolling in cash, it'd not out of the way for him to be able to build a much more powerful robot army or buy over the soldiers.
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