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**** Maybe not so monstrous, some families in the south will allow their children to drink with the family. Seems wrong at first but one effect is generally such children drink less. After all what's rebellious about drinking when you drink with your parents? Also it kills the allure of the forbidden. Not saying it's a perfect plan but that could be the logic behind it.
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** [[http://somethingpositive.net/sp03312010.shtml Davan's one step ahead of everyone.]] [[http://somethingpositive.net/sp07292010.shtml Choo choo Choo-choo is one step ahead of him.]]
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Making it less complain-y. I guess that's why it was nuked in 2014.
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* I wonder if Bian is ever going to end up joining the main cast. He teased her ''years'' ago, and promised that she would eventually be linked to some previous characters. But after some backlash and worrying, he seems to have dropped it, and I can't remember the last time we saw her. I know Randy is bad for teasing new stuff for long periods of time and then just dropping it when he gets bored or forgets about it (remember when Monette teased her TV show off and on for months, then it only became important for a couple of strips?), but this is a long haul even for ''him''. Did he just drop the character?
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* I wonder if Bian is ever going to end up joining the main cast. He teased her ''years'' ago, and promised that she would eventually be linked to some previous characters. But after some backlash and worrying, he seems to have dropped it, and I can't remember the last time we saw her. I know Randy is bad for teasing has a tendency to tease new stuff for long periods of time and then just dropping it when he gets bored or forgets about it fades away in importance (remember when Monette teased her TV show off and on for months, then it only became important for a couple of strips?), but this is a long haul even for ''him''. Did he just drop the character?
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** Well that is just the average, some people have deteriorated pretty quickly, others take longer. We also have to remember that we are only seeing brief snippets of Fred's life. There have been strips which have suggested that we are mostly seeing only the good points. He's confessed to having forgotten he had IRS as a pet, briefly forgotten Monique existed, Davan has been uncertain whether Fred is screwing with him or whether it is his disease at times, and as of [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp12042014.shtml Dec. 2014]] he's been falling a lot. The art has shown he has gotten a lot frailer. Fred was always a cantankerous sort, mostly by choice rather than natural inclination, so it is difficult to measure whether his grumpiness has increased or not, but he has been showing less impulse control. So his disease is progressing, it is just hard to measure how quickly. More than anything else though, [[WatsonianVersusDoylist it just isn't funny to see an old man sundowning]]. We get to see where it is funny or unsettling, not when it is just plain pathetic.
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** Well that is just the average, some people have deteriorated pretty quickly, others take longer. We also have to remember that we are only seeing brief snippets of Fred's life. There have been strips which have suggested that we are mostly seeing only the good points. He's confessed to having forgotten he had IRS as a pet, briefly forgotten Monique existed, Davan has been uncertain whether Fred is screwing with him or whether it is his disease at times, and as of [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp12042014.shtml Dec. 2014]] he's been falling a lot. The art has shown he has gotten a lot frailer. Fred was always a cantankerous sort, mostly by choice rather than natural inclination, so it is difficult to measure whether his grumpiness has increased or not, but he has been showing less impulse control. So his disease is progressing, it is just hard to measure how quickly. More than anything else though, [[WatsonianVersusDoylist it just isn't funny to see an old man sundowning]]. We get to see where it is funny or unsettling, not when it is just plain pathetic.pathetic.
* I wonder if Bian is ever going to end up joining the main cast. He teased her ''years'' ago, and promised that she would eventually be linked to some previous characters. But after some backlash and worrying, he seems to have dropped it, and I can't remember the last time we saw her. I know Randy is bad for teasing new stuff for long periods of time and then just dropping it when he gets bored or forgets about it (remember when Monette teased her TV show off and on for months, then it only became important for a couple of strips?), but this is a long haul even for ''him''. Did he just drop the character?
* I wonder if Bian is ever going to end up joining the main cast. He teased her ''years'' ago, and promised that she would eventually be linked to some previous characters. But after some backlash and worrying, he seems to have dropped it, and I can't remember the last time we saw her. I know Randy is bad for teasing new stuff for long periods of time and then just dropping it when he gets bored or forgets about it (remember when Monette teased her TV show off and on for months, then it only became important for a couple of strips?), but this is a long haul even for ''him''. Did he just drop the character?
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** Well that is just the average, some people have deteriorated pretty quickly, others take longer. We also have to remember that we are only seeing brief snippets of Fred's life. There have been strips which have suggested that we are mostly seeing only the good points. He's confessed to having forgotten he had IRS as a pet, briefly forgotten Monique existed, Davan has been uncertain whether Fred is screwing with him or whether it is his disease at times, and as of [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp12042014.shtml Dec. 2014]] he's been falling a lot. The art has shown he has gotten a lot frailer. Fred was always a cantankerous sort, mostly by choice rather than natural inclination, so it is difficult to measure whether his grumpiness has increased or not, but he has been showing less impulse control. More than anything else though, [[WatsonianVersusDoylist it just isn't funny to see an old man sundowning]]. We get to see where it is funny or unsettling, not when it is just plain pathetic.
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** Well that is just the average, some people have deteriorated pretty quickly, others take longer. We also have to remember that we are only seeing brief snippets of Fred's life. There have been strips which have suggested that we are mostly seeing only the good points. He's confessed to having forgotten he had IRS as a pet, briefly forgotten Monique existed, Davan has been uncertain whether Fred is screwing with him or whether it is his disease at times, and as of [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp12042014.shtml Dec. 2014]] he's been falling a lot. The art has shown he has gotten a lot frailer. Fred was always a cantankerous sort, mostly by choice rather than natural inclination, so it is difficult to measure whether his grumpiness has increased or not, but he has been showing less impulse control. So his disease is progressing, it is just hard to measure how quickly. More than anything else though, [[WatsonianVersusDoylist it just isn't funny to see an old man sundowning]]. We get to see where it is funny or unsettling, not when it is just plain pathetic.
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* Does Fred have the best Alzheimer's medication in the world or something? It's been eight years since his diagnosis and if I recall it's only ever shows at all in two speech bubbles (times that he fakes it to mess with Daven aside) one of which was a guest strip. You'd think by now he'd be showing symptoms more regularly, having trouble coming up with the right words sometimes at least. Heck, eight years is the average life span of people diagnosed with the disease, to have made it that long and still be just as sharp as ever would be incredible in a real person.
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* Does Fred have the best Alzheimer's medication in the world or something? It's been eight years since his diagnosis and if I recall it's only ever shows at all in two speech bubbles (times that he fakes it to mess with Daven aside) one of which was a guest strip. You'd think by now he'd be showing symptoms more regularly, having trouble coming up with the right words sometimes at least. Heck, eight years is the average life span of people diagnosed with the disease, to have made it that long and still be just as sharp as ever would be incredible in a real person.person.
** Well that is just the average, some people have deteriorated pretty quickly, others take longer. We also have to remember that we are only seeing brief snippets of Fred's life. There have been strips which have suggested that we are mostly seeing only the good points. He's confessed to having forgotten he had IRS as a pet, briefly forgotten Monique existed, Davan has been uncertain whether Fred is screwing with him or whether it is his disease at times, and as of [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp12042014.shtml Dec. 2014]] he's been falling a lot. The art has shown he has gotten a lot frailer. Fred was always a cantankerous sort, mostly by choice rather than natural inclination, so it is difficult to measure whether his grumpiness has increased or not, but he has been showing less impulse control. More than anything else though, [[WatsonianVersusDoylist it just isn't funny to see an old man sundowning]]. We get to see where it is funny or unsettling, not when it is just plain pathetic.
** Well that is just the average, some people have deteriorated pretty quickly, others take longer. We also have to remember that we are only seeing brief snippets of Fred's life. There have been strips which have suggested that we are mostly seeing only the good points. He's confessed to having forgotten he had IRS as a pet, briefly forgotten Monique existed, Davan has been uncertain whether Fred is screwing with him or whether it is his disease at times, and as of [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp12042014.shtml Dec. 2014]] he's been falling a lot. The art has shown he has gotten a lot frailer. Fred was always a cantankerous sort, mostly by choice rather than natural inclination, so it is difficult to measure whether his grumpiness has increased or not, but he has been showing less impulse control. More than anything else though, [[WatsonianVersusDoylist it just isn't funny to see an old man sundowning]]. We get to see where it is funny or unsettling, not when it is just plain pathetic.
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* Does Fred have the best Alzheimer's medication in the world or something? It's been eight years since his diagnosis and if I recall it's only ever shows at all in two speech bubbles (times that he fakes it to mess with Daven aside) one of which was a guest strip. You'd think by now he'd be showing symptoms more regularly, having trouble coming up with the right words sometimes at least. Heck, eight years is the average life span of people diagnosed with the disease, to have made it that long and still be just as sharp as ever would be incredible in a real person.
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Cut complaining. Headscratchers is not to be used to complain about the strip.
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* The fact that Randy keeps recycling ''the same punchline'' bugs me, because I otherwise like the comic. But it seems like every fourth strip ends with this:
-->Character A: I can't believe (person did horrible thing)!
-->Character B: That was an awful thing to do.
-->Character A: Yes, they should know (this is how you do horrible thing properly).
* Personally, I love the comic, but I get annoyed by the big planned-out storylines that hit big, introduce a bunch of stuff, and then disappear for several months (or even permanently). Some of it's okay (Kharisma's storyline has a bit of a "slow burn" going, but even that's huge gaps spring up. When are we finally going to see that new "Bian" girl again? Monette's TV show was hinted at for nine months before we saw it, and then it got promptly forgotten. Davan and Jason were supposed to direct ''Titus Andronicus'' but it got dropped. I know Randy has a kind of comic writer ADD, but seriously.
** Horray! Bian's been seen again! Anyone who doesn't follow this strip religiously would be totally lost.
** Part of it is that the comic, as much as possible, passes in real time. So while a string of comics will cover a single event, the next one seen could be days in the future. Given the number of characters, how far apart they are, and any given event period, some things just don't get seen.
** Davan and Jason never did "Titus Andronicus" instead Davan wrote a play that was produced by Sanderson and met some decent acclaim. Jhim starred in it and then declined to reprise the role in a tour.
-->Character A: I can't believe (person did horrible thing)!
-->Character B: That was an awful thing to do.
-->Character A: Yes, they should know (this is how you do horrible thing properly).
* Personally, I love the comic, but I get annoyed by the big planned-out storylines that hit big, introduce a bunch of stuff, and then disappear for several months (or even permanently). Some of it's okay (Kharisma's storyline has a bit of a "slow burn" going, but even that's huge gaps spring up. When are we finally going to see that new "Bian" girl again? Monette's TV show was hinted at for nine months before we saw it, and then it got promptly forgotten. Davan and Jason were supposed to direct ''Titus Andronicus'' but it got dropped. I know Randy has a kind of comic writer ADD, but seriously.
** Horray! Bian's been seen again! Anyone who doesn't follow this strip religiously would be totally lost.
** Part of it is that the comic, as much as possible, passes in real time. So while a string of comics will cover a single event, the next one seen could be days in the future. Given the number of characters, how far apart they are, and any given event period, some things just don't get seen.
** Davan and Jason never did "Titus Andronicus" instead Davan wrote a play that was produced by Sanderson and met some decent acclaim. Jhim starred in it and then declined to reprise the role in a tour.
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* Currently, Mike's going through a period of again being impossibly annoying when it comes to playing tabletop games, and I'm quite sick of it already. It's overplayed, it's been done before and Mike deserves a break where people don't hate him.
** *waves agreement flags* Totally agree with you there. I mean seriously. We don't even SEE the event that made everyone despise him. It's like it was just decided "oop! Let's drop every drop of Character development and make him a douche again"
** Mike is just too easy a target for Milholland. Every time he needs a character to hold an opinion he dislikes, but can't figure out how to tie this into one of the mains just walking along and meeting some random ranting ugly psycho, he defaults to Mike. For example, the series of comics about the real-life event of a guy breaking into someone's apartment with a sword because he thought a woman was being raped. The person relating the story withholds key pieces of information from Mike, and basically just expects him to leap to agreement with her without these. (Also these were withheld from the audience, most likely to troll them into "pulling a Mike".) It's not until later that he learns the whole story, which means he goes groveling back to his girlfriend/wife/whatever to apologize for being a complete and total idiot, since he didn't agree with her/Milholland's original thought on base principle alone. That was one of the parts that made me realize that the writing wasn't just haphazard, jumpy, and a constant stream-of-consciousness of Milholland's opinions, but was in fact ''lazy''. Despite all the kudos it gets for character development, the moment he needed a "jerk gamer" he went right back to Mike because, god dammit, you're not supposed to ''like'' Mike, you're supposed to like the sadistic, sarcastic, snide main cast.
** It's not a phase, Mike has never stopped being an annoying baby when it comes to gaming. Sometimes he's more tollerable than others, sometimes not, it's likely all dependant on how much he's enjoying the game. Honestly, as much as it may be annoying, recent events have been completely in character for Mike. His annoying habits have never stopped being there, they've just been toned down for a while. Really, the primary thing keeping him in check were Peegee, who moved far enough away to make little impact on him, and Tamara, whom he's recently managed to piss off, which left him completely unchecked and growing more and more defensive and martyr-like as he digs himself deeper. Just give it time, he'll get himself under control again eventualy, granted he'll just backslide again later but that's just who he is.
** He seems to be clawing his way back with the "Pythagorean" arc -- a nice CallBack to [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp03142005.shtml this]] strip and a way to bond with other cast members based on an area of shared geekiness.
** I'm just tired of Mike period. The last time I laughed at something that involved Mike at all was the Redneck Tree incident, and it wasn't Mike that was being funny there.
** *waves agreement flags* Totally agree with you there. I mean seriously. We don't even SEE the event that made everyone despise him. It's like it was just decided "oop! Let's drop every drop of Character development and make him a douche again"
** Mike is just too easy a target for Milholland. Every time he needs a character to hold an opinion he dislikes, but can't figure out how to tie this into one of the mains just walking along and meeting some random ranting ugly psycho, he defaults to Mike. For example, the series of comics about the real-life event of a guy breaking into someone's apartment with a sword because he thought a woman was being raped. The person relating the story withholds key pieces of information from Mike, and basically just expects him to leap to agreement with her without these. (Also these were withheld from the audience, most likely to troll them into "pulling a Mike".) It's not until later that he learns the whole story, which means he goes groveling back to his girlfriend/wife/whatever to apologize for being a complete and total idiot, since he didn't agree with her/Milholland's original thought on base principle alone. That was one of the parts that made me realize that the writing wasn't just haphazard, jumpy, and a constant stream-of-consciousness of Milholland's opinions, but was in fact ''lazy''. Despite all the kudos it gets for character development, the moment he needed a "jerk gamer" he went right back to Mike because, god dammit, you're not supposed to ''like'' Mike, you're supposed to like the sadistic, sarcastic, snide main cast.
** It's not a phase, Mike has never stopped being an annoying baby when it comes to gaming. Sometimes he's more tollerable than others, sometimes not, it's likely all dependant on how much he's enjoying the game. Honestly, as much as it may be annoying, recent events have been completely in character for Mike. His annoying habits have never stopped being there, they've just been toned down for a while. Really, the primary thing keeping him in check were Peegee, who moved far enough away to make little impact on him, and Tamara, whom he's recently managed to piss off, which left him completely unchecked and growing more and more defensive and martyr-like as he digs himself deeper. Just give it time, he'll get himself under control again eventualy, granted he'll just backslide again later but that's just who he is.
** He seems to be clawing his way back with the "Pythagorean" arc -- a nice CallBack to [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp03142005.shtml this]] strip and a way to bond with other cast members based on an area of shared geekiness.
** I'm just tired of Mike period. The last time I laughed at something that involved Mike at all was the Redneck Tree incident, and it wasn't Mike that was being funny there.
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* Why is the NiceGuy impossible, exactly? This comic loves to say that men who are good people just want to get into girls' pants. That everyone, on some level, is a creep that comes back in some way. I realize that we're generally with a socially-based CrapsackWorld with lots of snarks who give a damn about each other, but I'm not sure that coming down on the rest of us is really fair, since we're either learning to not be assholes or far beyond that possibility at this point.
** Haven't you heard? AllMenArePerverts.
** Yeah, isn't that a cute view. Some authors need to grow up, sounds like.
*** You guys [[CompletelyMissingThePoint just don't get it.]] He's not talking about nice people, he's talking about "nice guys", as in the sort of childish misogynists that think that being a girl's "friend" means that they're entitled to sex. It's related to the myth of the "Friend Zone". [[http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Nice_guy_syndrome Here]] is a good run-down of this deeply sexist worldview.
*** Except that there is no way to draw a distinction between someone who is being genuinely nice and the supposed "nice guy". There is no way to escape the label once it has been applied to you because there is no way to prove sincerity... even becoming upset about the labeling is seen as proof of having "nice guy syndrome". It's essentially a way for women to dismiss certain men and retain the absolute moral high ground... "It wasn't that I wasn't interested, it was that he was a phony." Nice guy syndrome is no more or less of a myth than the friend zone.
*** Yes. There is. [[http://loveandaccept.tumblr.com/post/37897412900/suicidemachinexvx-roomtogrow-mamamantis This comic]] displays even more clearly what a creep a "nice guy" is. However, if you need it spelled out: An actual nice guy doesn't take being _just friends_ with a girl as a punishment. An actual nice guy doesn't expect brownie points for just being a decent human being. An actual nice guy doesn't feel entitled to sex because he lends support to a girl. Nice guy syndrome is a real fucking thing. I almost fell into being the type of douchebag that pulled it on girls, but I grew up. Learn to do the same.
*** True, but it also depends on the girls attitude: If a guy is being nice for the sake of being nice, his actions can still be misinterpreted and label him a "nice guy" and a creep, when that's only because the labeler can't accept someone being nice just because.
*** The "nice guy syndrome" that exists in fictional works and in the heads of certain bloggers and webcomic authors is a cut-and-dried theme park version of the real thing; there to stroke the ego of an author or author surrogate (to show either how selective and wanted they are, or show how "enlightened" they are compared to the poor schlub, or both). RealLife "nice guy" behavior is a learned behavior, reinforced and encouraged out of a complex interplay of ego, insecurity, and attraction between two people.
** Haven't you heard? AllMenArePerverts.
** Yeah, isn't that a cute view. Some authors need to grow up, sounds like.
*** You guys [[CompletelyMissingThePoint just don't get it.]] He's not talking about nice people, he's talking about "nice guys", as in the sort of childish misogynists that think that being a girl's "friend" means that they're entitled to sex. It's related to the myth of the "Friend Zone". [[http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Nice_guy_syndrome Here]] is a good run-down of this deeply sexist worldview.
*** Except that there is no way to draw a distinction between someone who is being genuinely nice and the supposed "nice guy". There is no way to escape the label once it has been applied to you because there is no way to prove sincerity... even becoming upset about the labeling is seen as proof of having "nice guy syndrome". It's essentially a way for women to dismiss certain men and retain the absolute moral high ground... "It wasn't that I wasn't interested, it was that he was a phony." Nice guy syndrome is no more or less of a myth than the friend zone.
*** Yes. There is. [[http://loveandaccept.tumblr.com/post/37897412900/suicidemachinexvx-roomtogrow-mamamantis This comic]] displays even more clearly what a creep a "nice guy" is. However, if you need it spelled out: An actual nice guy doesn't take being _just friends_ with a girl as a punishment. An actual nice guy doesn't expect brownie points for just being a decent human being. An actual nice guy doesn't feel entitled to sex because he lends support to a girl. Nice guy syndrome is a real fucking thing. I almost fell into being the type of douchebag that pulled it on girls, but I grew up. Learn to do the same.
*** True, but it also depends on the girls attitude: If a guy is being nice for the sake of being nice, his actions can still be misinterpreted and label him a "nice guy" and a creep, when that's only because the labeler can't accept someone being nice just because.
*** The "nice guy syndrome" that exists in fictional works and in the heads of certain bloggers and webcomic authors is a cut-and-dried theme park version of the real thing; there to stroke the ego of an author or author surrogate (to show either how selective and wanted they are, or show how "enlightened" they are compared to the poor schlub, or both). RealLife "nice guy" behavior is a learned behavior, reinforced and encouraged out of a complex interplay of ego, insecurity, and attraction between two people.
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*** Yeaaaaaah, I'm pretty sure that's the OP's problem, as "Giving shots to your adopted daughter who's quite probably genetically predisposed to substance abuse" is kind of monstrous.
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*** True, but it also depends on the girls attitude: If a guy is being nice for the sake of being nice, his actions can still be misinterpreted and label him a "nice guy" and a creep, when that's only because the labeler can't accept someone being nice just because.
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*** True, but it also depends on the girls attitude: If a guy is being nice for the sake of being nice, his actions can still be misinterpreted and label him a "nice guy" and a creep, when that's only because the labeler can't accept someone being nice just because.because.
*** The "nice guy syndrome" that exists in fictional works and in the heads of certain bloggers and webcomic authors is a cut-and-dried theme park version of the real thing; there to stroke the ego of an author or author surrogate (to show either how selective and wanted they are, or show how "enlightened" they are compared to the poor schlub, or both). RealLife "nice guy" behavior is a learned behavior, reinforced and encouraged out of a complex interplay of ego, insecurity, and attraction between two people.
*** The "nice guy syndrome" that exists in fictional works and in the heads of certain bloggers and webcomic authors is a cut-and-dried theme park version of the real thing; there to stroke the ego of an author or author surrogate (to show either how selective and wanted they are, or show how "enlightened" they are compared to the poor schlub, or both). RealLife "nice guy" behavior is a learned behavior, reinforced and encouraged out of a complex interplay of ego, insecurity, and attraction between two people.
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*** Yes. There is. [[http://loveandaccept.tumblr.com/post/37897412900/suicidemachinexvx-roomtogrow-mamamantis This comic]] displays even more clearly what a creep a "nice guy" is. However, if you need it spelled out: An actual nice guy doesn't take being _just friends_ with a girl as a punishment. An actual nice guy doesn't expect brownie points for just being a decent human being. An actual nice guy doesn't feel entitled to sex because he lends support to a girl. Nice guy syndrome is a real fucking thing. I almost fell into being the type of douchebag that pulled it on girls, but I grew up. Learn to do the same.
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*** Yes. There is. [[http://loveandaccept.tumblr.com/post/37897412900/suicidemachinexvx-roomtogrow-mamamantis This comic]] displays even more clearly what a creep a "nice guy" is. However, if you need it spelled out: An actual nice guy doesn't take being _just friends_ with a girl as a punishment. An actual nice guy doesn't expect brownie points for just being a decent human being. An actual nice guy doesn't feel entitled to sex because he lends support to a girl. Nice guy syndrome is a real fucking thing. I almost fell into being the type of douchebag that pulled it on girls, but I grew up. Learn to do the same.same.
*** True, but it also depends on the girls attitude: If a guy is being nice for the sake of being nice, his actions can still be misinterpreted and label him a "nice guy" and a creep, when that's only because the labeler can't accept someone being nice just because.
*** True, but it also depends on the girls attitude: If a guy is being nice for the sake of being nice, his actions can still be misinterpreted and label him a "nice guy" and a creep, when that's only because the labeler can't accept someone being nice just because.
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*** Except that there is no way to draw a distinction between someone who is being genuinely nice and the supposed "nice guy". There is no way to escape the label once it has been applied to you because there is no way to prove sincerity... even becoming upset about the labeling is seen as proof of having "nice guy syndrome". It's essentially a way for women to dismiss certain men and retain the absolute moral high ground... "It wasn't that I wasn't interested, it was that he was a phony." Nice guy syndrome is no more or less of a myth than the friend zone.
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*** Except that there is no way to draw a distinction between someone who is being genuinely nice and the supposed "nice guy". There is no way to escape the label once it has been applied to you because there is no way to prove sincerity... even becoming upset about the labeling is seen as proof of having "nice guy syndrome". It's essentially a way for women to dismiss certain men and retain the absolute moral high ground... "It wasn't that I wasn't interested, it was that he was a phony." Nice guy syndrome is no more or less of a myth than the friend zone.zone.
*** Yes. There is. [[http://loveandaccept.tumblr.com/post/37897412900/suicidemachinexvx-roomtogrow-mamamantis This comic]] displays even more clearly what a creep a "nice guy" is. However, if you need it spelled out: An actual nice guy doesn't take being _just friends_ with a girl as a punishment. An actual nice guy doesn't expect brownie points for just being a decent human being. An actual nice guy doesn't feel entitled to sex because he lends support to a girl. Nice guy syndrome is a real fucking thing. I almost fell into being the type of douchebag that pulled it on girls, but I grew up. Learn to do the same.
*** Yes. There is. [[http://loveandaccept.tumblr.com/post/37897412900/suicidemachinexvx-roomtogrow-mamamantis This comic]] displays even more clearly what a creep a "nice guy" is. However, if you need it spelled out: An actual nice guy doesn't take being _just friends_ with a girl as a punishment. An actual nice guy doesn't expect brownie points for just being a decent human being. An actual nice guy doesn't feel entitled to sex because he lends support to a girl. Nice guy syndrome is a real fucking thing. I almost fell into being the type of douchebag that pulled it on girls, but I grew up. Learn to do the same.
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*** You guys [[CompletelyMissingThePoint just don't get it.]] He's not talking about nice people, he's talking about "nice guys", as in the sort of childish misogynists that think that being a girl's "friend" means that they're entitled to sex. It's related to the myth of the "Friend Zone". [[http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Nice_guy_syndrome Here]] is a good run-down of this deeply sexist worldview.
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*** You guys [[CompletelyMissingThePoint just don't get it.]] He's not talking about nice people, he's talking about "nice guys", as in the sort of childish misogynists that think that being a girl's "friend" means that they're entitled to sex. It's related to the myth of the "Friend Zone". [[http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Nice_guy_syndrome Here]] is a good run-down of this deeply sexist worldview.worldview.
*** Except that there is no way to draw a distinction between someone who is being genuinely nice and the supposed "nice guy". There is no way to escape the label once it has been applied to you because there is no way to prove sincerity... even becoming upset about the labeling is seen as proof of having "nice guy syndrome". It's essentially a way for women to dismiss certain men and retain the absolute moral high ground... "It wasn't that I wasn't interested, it was that he was a phony." Nice guy syndrome is no more or less of a myth than the friend zone.
*** Except that there is no way to draw a distinction between someone who is being genuinely nice and the supposed "nice guy". There is no way to escape the label once it has been applied to you because there is no way to prove sincerity... even becoming upset about the labeling is seen as proof of having "nice guy syndrome". It's essentially a way for women to dismiss certain men and retain the absolute moral high ground... "It wasn't that I wasn't interested, it was that he was a phony." Nice guy syndrome is no more or less of a myth than the friend zone.
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*** You guys [[CompletelyMissingThePoint just don't get it.]] He's not talking about nice people, he's talking about "nice guys", as in the sort of childish misogynists that think that being a girl's "friend" means that they're entitled to sex. It's related to the myth of the "Friend Zone". [[Here http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Nice_guy_syndrome]] is a good run-down of this deeply sexist worldview.
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*** You guys [[CompletelyMissingThePoint just don't get it.]] He's not talking about nice people, he's talking about "nice guys", as in the sort of childish misogynists that think that being a girl's "friend" means that they're entitled to sex. It's related to the myth of the "Friend Zone". [[Here http://geekfeminism.[[http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Nice_guy_syndrome]] com/wiki/Nice_guy_syndrome Here]] is a good run-down of this deeply sexist worldview.
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** Yeah, isn't that a cute view. Some authors need to grow up, sounds like.
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** Yeah, isn't that a cute view. Some authors need to grow up, sounds like.like.
*** You guys [[CompletelyMissingThePoint just don't get it.]] He's not talking about nice people, he's talking about "nice guys", as in the sort of childish misogynists that think that being a girl's "friend" means that they're entitled to sex. It's related to the myth of the "Friend Zone". [[Here http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Nice_guy_syndrome]] is a good run-down of this deeply sexist worldview.
*** You guys [[CompletelyMissingThePoint just don't get it.]] He's not talking about nice people, he's talking about "nice guys", as in the sort of childish misogynists that think that being a girl's "friend" means that they're entitled to sex. It's related to the myth of the "Friend Zone". [[Here http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Nice_guy_syndrome]] is a good run-down of this deeply sexist worldview.
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** Haven't you heard? AllMenArePerverts.
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** Haven't you heard? AllMenArePerverts.AllMenArePerverts.
** Yeah, isn't that a cute view. Some authors need to grow up, sounds like.
** Yeah, isn't that a cute view. Some authors need to grow up, sounds like.
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* Why is the NiceGuy impossible, exactly? This comic loves to say that men who are good people just want to get into girls' pants. That everyone, on some level, is a creep that comes back in some way. I realize that we're generally with a socially-based CrapsackWorld with lots of snarks who give a damn about each other, but I'm not sure that coming down on the rest of us is really fair, since we're either learning to not be assholes or far beyond that possibility at this point.
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* Why is the NiceGuy impossible, exactly? This comic loves to say that men who are good people just want to get into girls' pants. That everyone, on some level, is a creep that comes back in some way. I realize that we're generally with a socially-based CrapsackWorld with lots of snarks who give a damn about each other, but I'm not sure that coming down on the rest of us is really fair, since we're either learning to not be assholes or far beyond that possibility at this point.point.
** Haven't you heard? AllMenArePerverts.
** Haven't you heard? AllMenArePerverts.
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** I thought it was the other way around. I seem to recall one flashback (edit: found the [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp05092006.shtml link]]) that showed him working as a barber when he first started dating Faye (which occurred before they moved to Texas) which would imply that he worked at the Factory later in life. Possibly he was unable to make it as a Barber in Texas so he took a job at the local factory.
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** I thought it was the other way around. I seem to recall one flashback (edit: found the [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp05092006.shtml link]]) that showed him working as a barber when he first started dating Faye (which occurred before they moved to Texas) which would imply that he worked at the Factory later in life. Possibly he was unable to make it as a Barber in Texas so he took a job at the local factory.factory.
* Why is the NiceGuy impossible, exactly? This comic loves to say that men who are good people just want to get into girls' pants. That everyone, on some level, is a creep that comes back in some way. I realize that we're generally with a socially-based CrapsackWorld with lots of snarks who give a damn about each other, but I'm not sure that coming down on the rest of us is really fair, since we're either learning to not be assholes or far beyond that possibility at this point.
* Why is the NiceGuy impossible, exactly? This comic loves to say that men who are good people just want to get into girls' pants. That everyone, on some level, is a creep that comes back in some way. I realize that we're generally with a socially-based CrapsackWorld with lots of snarks who give a damn about each other, but I'm not sure that coming down on the rest of us is really fair, since we're either learning to not be assholes or far beyond that possibility at this point.
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* [=It doesn't piss me off, but this is something that bugs me a little. PeeJee's nickname is a shortening of Penelope Jennifer. PamJee is a shortening of Pamela Jocelyn. But going by the names, shouldn't her nickname be PamJo?
** I don't think there are any "rules" regarding nicknames - remember, PeeJee chooses to go with "PeeJee" instead of her father's nickname for her - "Penny-Jenny". PamJee is probably "PamJee" because that's what her parents choose to call her.=]
** I don't think there are any "rules" regarding nicknames - remember, PeeJee chooses to go with "PeeJee" instead of her father's nickname for her - "Penny-Jenny". PamJee is probably "PamJee" because that's what her parents choose to call her.=]
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* [=It doesn't piss me off, but this is something that bugs me a little. PeeJee's nickname is a shortening of Penelope Jennifer. PamJee is a shortening of Pamela Jocelyn. But going by the names, shouldn't her nickname be PamJo?
PamJo?=]
**I [=I don't think there are any "rules" regarding nicknames - remember, PeeJee chooses to go with "PeeJee" instead of her father's nickname for her - "Penny-Jenny". PamJee is probably "PamJee" because that's what her parents choose to call her.=]
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