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11th Feb '15 3:00:11 PM Discar
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[[WMG:Torg and Riff must be looking at forty by now.]]
We've seen that the characters [[WebcomicTime age in real time]] with Zoë, Min, and Meander. In 1997, Torg and Riff were both at least college graduates, and especially in Riff's case, probably held further degrees, putting them in their early-mid twenties. The ''youngest'' they could be, assuming they started college at the usual age, is their mid-thirties. Aren't they a little old to be...you know...them?
* I assume it has something to do with all their time travel. No doubt Pete's going to introduce something which explains why Zoe, Torg, Riff, and Gwynn don't seem to age much. Either that, or they were in their very early twenties (21 to 22) when the comic started and are just now hitting mid-thirties.

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and Riff must be looking at forty by now.]]
* We've seen that the characters [[WebcomicTime age in real time]] with Zoë, Zoe, Min, and Meander. In 1997, Torg and Riff were both at least college graduates, and especially in Riff's case, probably held further degrees, putting them in their early-mid twenties. The ''youngest'' they could be, assuming they started college at the usual age, is their mid-thirties. Aren't they a little old to be...you know...them?
* ** I assume it has something to do with all their time travel. No doubt Pete's going to introduce something which explains why Zoe, Torg, Riff, and Gwynn don't seem to age much. Either that, or they were in their very early twenties (21 to 22) when the comic started and are just now hitting mid-thirties.



*** That's the problem: there ''is'' no ComicBookTime. Real years are given and don't seem to change (Torg met Oasis in 1999, Torg and Riff were kids in TheEighties, Min always seems to have been born 1983-4), and significant lengths of time (months, years) are always given in real time. Even a WebcomicTime [[http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=071112 joke]] is followed by a series of {{Time Skip}}s to get back to speed. There's really no way around the fact that it's been twelve years for the characters.
*** Actually, I don't think it's a problem at all. If the youngest they could be is in their early-to-mid 30s, sure they can be them. There are older people who're less mature than either Torg or Riff, and Zoe explicitly graduated college earlier in the comic's run.
*** I think there is ComicBookTime, selectively applied according to RuleOfCool and RuleOfFunny.
* Are we sure they graduated college? Frankly they both seem like the type to skip it entirely.

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*** ** That's the problem: there ''is'' no ComicBookTime. Real years are given and don't seem to change (Torg met Oasis in 1999, Torg and Riff were kids in TheEighties, Min always seems to have been born 1983-4), and significant lengths of time (months, years) are always given in real time. Even a WebcomicTime [[http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=071112 joke]] is followed by a series of {{Time Skip}}s to get back to speed. There's really no way around the fact that it's been twelve years for the characters.
*** ** Actually, I don't think it's a problem at all. If the youngest they could be is in their early-to-mid 30s, sure they can be them. There are older people who're less mature than either Torg or Riff, and Zoe explicitly graduated college earlier in the comic's run.
*** ** I think there is ComicBookTime, selectively applied according to RuleOfCool and RuleOfFunny.
* ** Are we sure they graduated college? Frankly they both seem like the type to skip it entirely.



* Pete has commented on this: "In Sluggy Freelance we often signify the passing holidays, so actual years go by, but are the characters of the strip really a decade older? I have to admit the gang is getting older but maybe not THAT much older."

[[WMG: Why didn't the Dud-munchers Eats-Clothes-Moth eat Torg's emergency pants?]]
I get from the phrasing of Gwynn's summoning invocation that other cloth materials, like the pillow, weren't eaten, but emergency pants are still clothes/duds.
* They did, eventually.

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* ** Pete has commented on this: "In Sluggy Freelance we often signify the passing holidays, so actual years go by, but are the characters of the strip really a decade older? I have to admit the gang is getting older but maybe not THAT much older."

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Why didn't the Dud-munchers Eats-Clothes-Moth eat Torg's emergency pants?]]
* I get from the phrasing of Gwynn's summoning invocation that other cloth materials, like the pillow, weren't eaten, but emergency pants are still clothes/duds.
* ** They did, eventually.



[[WMG: Why doesn't anybody at Hereti-Corp take the Hereti-Corp logo off the uniforms of their agents?]]
You know, so that Oasis doesn't just kill them on sight. Hell, you'd think they'd do this even if there was no Override B-1, since news reports about your men blowing up a restaurant ''might'' be bad for business.

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Why doesn't anybody at Hereti-Corp take the Hereti-Corp logo off the uniforms of their agents?]]
* You know, so that Oasis doesn't just kill them on sight. Hell, you'd think they'd do this even if there was no Override B-1, since news reports about your men blowing up a restaurant ''might'' be bad for business.




[[WMG: Can someone explain to me the whole "Have Oasis kill Riff in front of Torg thing?]]

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Can someone explain to me the whole "Have Oasis kill Riff in front of Torg thing?]]



* As the arc is still progressing, there is an UnspokenPlanGuarantee in place - we probably won't figure out Schlock's plan until its wheels are about to fall off.

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* ** As the arc is still progressing, there is an UnspokenPlanGuarantee in place - we probably won't figure out Schlock's plan until its wheels are about to fall off.



*** ...Besides the one he already has, Kusari. It's still a mystery why Oasis is so special as to warrant all that attention.
*** Because she's a better killer. Remember that Oasis ''accidentally'' pinned Kusari to the wall.

[[WMG: Aylee should be WELL out of her "naive" phase.]]
Consider -- she's been with the cast since the late 90s, when they did the Star Trek/Aliens parody. That leaves plenty of time for her to learn about human behavior. Okay, granted, she doesn't exactly have the best role models, but some of the stuff she's showing no comprehension of is really stuff she should know about. For example, not knowing about birthday cakes?!
* She's an alien. Who says she accumulates information the same way humans do?
* She's never had to actually ''do'' many human-like behaviours before now. Sure, she's observed them, but that doesn't mean she really understood human social interactions enough to fully integrate herself into society. Considering that her main role model used to be [[CloudCuckooLander Torg]] her understanding of "normality" is justifiably limited.

[[WMG: Frog]]
Okay, I'm willing to accept Frog as long-lived, he has access to super-nanobots after all. But how the smeg did an amphibian grow that beard.
* Nanobots. Hair is hardly a complicated structure.
* Earlier he had an [[http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/110526 elaborate moustache]]. It's probably a costume either way.

[[WMG: How the heck is Schlock [[spoiler: Rammer's father]] ]]
His future self maybe, but his past self doesn't seem anywhere near old enough to have had a child that long ago.
* It's noted that neither Schlock nor [[spoiler:Rammer]] knew about the relationship. It could easily be from whenever Schlock lost his virginity, say he's...sixteen. He never sees the woman again, and she doesn't bother seeking him out. Simple as that.
* I believe the word from Pete is that Schlock was actually a young man when he went back in time, and that he arrived several decades before the strip began, which is when he did the Rammer begetting. The epic, improbable tale of how Schlock talked a woman into sleeping with him has yet to be told, however.
* The strip says that Berk went back in time around 2024, and Schlock says he went back in time not long after Berk did. Schlock also says he went back in time to around 20 years before the first traces of K'Z'K's arrival in his timeline. We don't know exactly when that was(he mentions K'Z'K already being in control in 1998), but it couldn't have been too long before the strip started. Schlock Prime looks about in his 40s when we first see him working in cosmetics, so he'd be about in his 60s when he went back in time, and in his 80s or 90s when we see the older version of him. Then again, considering Pete's artwork in the early years of the strip, or the fact that Schlock Prime could have jumped forward a few decades and then gone back into time(he doesn't look much older when we see him sending Berk back than he is in the cosmetics labs) he could be significantly older or younger than 80s or 90s.

[[WMG: Rammer's time limit]]
Rammer is worried that he'll be "reset" and forget everything before he gets his revenge. Except he says this not ten seconds after he notes that Izzy has been keeping herself updated with a log. He's higher ranking than her, he should be able to pull off the same trick much easier. Am I missing something?
* In 4U City, "higher ranking" probably also means "more closely watched."
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*** ...** ...Besides the one he already has, Kusari. It's still a mystery why Oasis is so special as to warrant all that attention.
*** ** Because she's a better killer. Remember that Oasis ''accidentally'' pinned Kusari to the wall.

[[WMG: [[/folder]]

[[folder:
Aylee should be WELL out of her "naive" phase.]]
* Consider -- she's been with the cast since the late 90s, when they did the Star Trek/Aliens parody. That leaves plenty of time for her to learn about human behavior. Okay, granted, she doesn't exactly have the best role models, but some of the stuff she's showing no comprehension of is really stuff she should know about. For example, not knowing about birthday cakes?!
* ** She's an alien. Who says she accumulates information the same way humans do?
* ** She's never had to actually ''do'' many human-like behaviours before now. Sure, she's observed them, but that doesn't mean she really understood human social interactions enough to fully integrate herself into society. Considering that her main role model used to be [[CloudCuckooLander Torg]] her understanding of "normality" is justifiably limited.

[[WMG: [[/folder]]

[[folder:
Frog]]
* Okay, I'm willing to accept Frog as long-lived, he has access to super-nanobots after all. But how the smeg did an amphibian grow that beard.
* ** Nanobots. Hair is hardly a complicated structure.
* ** Earlier he had an [[http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/110526 elaborate moustache]]. It's probably a costume either way.

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[[folder:
How the heck is Schlock [[spoiler: Rammer's father]] ]]
* His future self maybe, but his past self doesn't seem anywhere near old enough to have had a child that long ago.
* ** It's noted that neither Schlock nor [[spoiler:Rammer]] knew about the relationship. It could easily be from whenever Schlock lost his virginity, say he's...sixteen. He never sees the woman again, and she doesn't bother seeking him out. Simple as that.
* ** I believe the word from Pete is that Schlock was actually a young man when he went back in time, and that he arrived several decades before the strip began, which is when he did the Rammer begetting. The epic, improbable tale of how Schlock talked a woman into sleeping with him has yet to be told, however.
* ** The strip says that Berk went back in time around 2024, and Schlock says he went back in time not long after Berk did. Schlock also says he went back in time to around 20 years before the first traces of K'Z'K's arrival in his timeline. We don't know exactly when that was(he mentions K'Z'K already being in control in 1998), but it couldn't have been too long before the strip started. Schlock Prime looks about in his 40s when we first see him working in cosmetics, so he'd be about in his 60s when he went back in time, and in his 80s or 90s when we see the older version of him. Then again, considering Pete's artwork in the early years of the strip, or the fact that Schlock Prime could have jumped forward a few decades and then gone back into time(he doesn't look much older when we see him sending Berk back than he is in the cosmetics labs) he could be significantly older or younger than 80s or 90s.

[[WMG: [[/folder]]

[[folder:
Rammer's time limit]]
* Rammer is worried that he'll be "reset" and forget everything before he gets his revenge. Except he says this not ten seconds after he notes that Izzy has been keeping herself updated with a log. He's higher ranking than her, he should be able to pull off the same trick much easier. Am I missing something?
* ** In 4U City, "higher ranking" probably also means "more closely watched."
<<|ItJustBugsMe|>>
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25th Nov '13 12:26:29 AM dspeyer
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* Earlier he had an [[http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/110526 elaborate moustache]]. It's probably a costume either way.
31st Oct '12 6:38:05 PM TVRulezAgain
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* As I understand it, Schlock's logic goes something like this: Despite Oasis' StalkerWithACrush tendencies, Torg still pities her and wants to keep her safe and sane. If Torg caught wind that Schlock and Hereti-Corp had Oasis in their clutches and were manipulating/torturing/experimenting on her, he'd feel obligated to try and save her. However, if Schlock got Oasis to kill Riff, he'd be killing two birds with one stone-(1) With Riff out of the picture, Torg loses his main source of intellegence and firepower (not to mention Riff is a risk on his own, with his distrust and dislike of Schlock and Hereti-Corp) and (2) If Torg witnesses the murder, he may decide Oasis is a CompleteMonster and want nothing more to do with her, leaving Schlock free to do what he wants.

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* As I understand it, Schlock's logic goes something like this: Despite Oasis' StalkerWithACrush tendencies, Torg still pities her and wants to keep her safe and sane. If Torg caught wind that Schlock and Hereti-Corp had Oasis in their clutches and were manipulating/torturing/experimenting on her, he'd feel obligated to try and save her. However, if Schlock got Oasis to kill Riff, he'd be killing two birds with one stone-(1) With Riff out of the picture, Torg loses his main source of intellegence and firepower (not to mention Riff is a risk on his own, with his distrust and dislike of Schlock and Hereti-Corp) and (2) If Torg witnesses the murder, he may decide Oasis is a CompleteMonster monster and want nothing more to do with her, leaving Schlock free to do what he wants.
14th Aug '12 5:07:32 AM thenutintheushanka
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13th Aug '12 2:49:57 PM thenutintheushanka
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* The strip says that Berk went back in time around 2024, and Schlock says he went back in time not long after Berk did. Schlock also says he went back in time to around 20 years before the first traces of K'Z'K's arrival in his timeline. We don't know exactly when that was(he mentions K'Z'K already being in control in 1998), but it couldn't have been too long before the strip started. Schlock Prime looks about in his 40s when we first see him working in cosmetics, so he'd be about in his 60s when he went back in time, and in his 80s or 90s when we see the older version of him. Then again, considering Pete's artwork in the early years of the strip, or the fact that Schlock Prime could have jumped forward a few decades and then gone back into time(he doesn't look much older when we see him sending Berk back than he is in the cosmetics labs) he could be significantly older or younger than 80s or 90s.
26th Apr '12 2:15:06 AM SeptimusHeap
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*** That's the problem: there ''is'' no ComicBookTime. Real years are given and don't seem to change (Torg met Oasis in 1999, Torg and Riff were kids in TheEighties, Min always seems to have been born 1983-4), and significant lengths of time (months, years) are always given in real time. Even a ThatNightFeltLikeMonths [[http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=071112 joke]] is followed by a series of {{Time Skip}}s to get back to speed. There's really no way around the fact that it's been twelve years for the characters.

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*** That's the problem: there ''is'' no ComicBookTime. Real years are given and don't seem to change (Torg met Oasis in 1999, Torg and Riff were kids in TheEighties, Min always seems to have been born 1983-4), and significant lengths of time (months, years) are always given in real time. Even a ThatNightFeltLikeMonths WebcomicTime [[http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=071112 joke]] is followed by a series of {{Time Skip}}s to get back to speed. There's really no way around the fact that it's been twelve years for the characters.
15th Jul '11 7:30:21 AM RavenWilder
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* I believe the word from Pete is that Schlock was actually a young man when he went back in time, and that he arrived several decades before the strip began, which is when he did the Rammer begetting. The epic, improbable tale of how Schlock talked a woman into sleeping with him has yet to be told, however.
13th May '11 2:50:28 PM Discar
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Okay, I'm willing to accept Frog as long-lived, he has access to super-nanobots after all. But how the smeg did an amphibian grow that beard

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Okay, I'm willing to accept Frog as long-lived, he has access to super-nanobots after all. But how the smeg did an amphibian grow that beard
beard.
* Nanobots. Hair is hardly a complicated structure.
13th May '11 2:50:01 PM Discar
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* It's noted that neither Schlock nor [[spoiler:Rammer]] knew about the relationship. It could easily be from whenever Schlock lost his virginity, say he's...sixteen. He never sees the woman again, and she doesn't bother seeking him out. Simple as that.
9th May '11 12:19:13 PM MrDeath
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* In 4U City, "higher ranking" probably also means "more closely watched."
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