History Headscratchers / SilentHill3

25th Feb '18 10:26:23 PM nombretomado
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*** I vote for untraceable myself, even still, to tack on more dates for you, officially SilentHillOrgins is set in 1972, VideoGame/SilentHill1 is in 1980, followed closely by SilentHill2 in 1994, then finally by SilentHill3 in 1997. There are a few [[ContinuityNod time line acknowledgments]] made in SH3 about when everything actually happened.

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*** I vote for untraceable myself, even still, to tack on more dates for you, officially SilentHillOrgins VideoGame/SilentHillOrgins is set in 1972, VideoGame/SilentHill1 is in 1980, followed closely by SilentHill2 VideoGame/SilentHill2 in 1994, then finally by SilentHill3 VideoGame/SilentHill3 in 1997. There are a few [[ContinuityNod time line acknowledgments]] made in SH3 about when everything actually happened.



*** Harry is a writer, and not a too-famous one at that (after all, he's not exactly looking to draw any attention on himself, even if he is publishing under a pen name). I kind of feel like, even through cell phones WERE around in '97, it's extremely unlikely that they would be able to afford one in a time when cell phones were more viewed as a luxury and not nearly, nearly as prevalent as they are now. This still kind of bothers me, though, because Harry is obviously over-protective (although it is ''justified'' over-protectiveness, don't get me wrong) enough to go so far as to want Heather to call him ''as she's leaving the mall''. This troper doesn't think she had lax parents at all, and that seems pretty ridiculous. For Harry in that state of mind to not ensure that Heather had a cell phone despite the cost does seem pretty weird. I just have to tell myself that it's not something they could afford, since I think the idea of Harry being crazy enough to be worried about being "traced" by a cell phone is a little far-fetched. BUT I do want to add that SilentHill3 doesn't "officially" take place in 1997. There aren't any official dates at all until VideoGame/SilentHillOrigins, which attempted to give dates to the series and then failed miserably. So this could all really be a big moot point anyway.

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*** Harry is a writer, and not a too-famous one at that (after all, he's not exactly looking to draw any attention on himself, even if he is publishing under a pen name). I kind of feel like, even through cell phones WERE around in '97, it's extremely unlikely that they would be able to afford one in a time when cell phones were more viewed as a luxury and not nearly, nearly as prevalent as they are now. This still kind of bothers me, though, because Harry is obviously over-protective (although it is ''justified'' over-protectiveness, don't get me wrong) enough to go so far as to want Heather to call him ''as she's leaving the mall''. This troper doesn't think she had lax parents at all, and that seems pretty ridiculous. For Harry in that state of mind to not ensure that Heather had a cell phone despite the cost does seem pretty weird. I just have to tell myself that it's not something they could afford, since I think the idea of Harry being crazy enough to be worried about being "traced" by a cell phone is a little far-fetched. BUT I do want to add that SilentHill3 VideoGame/SilentHill3 doesn't "officially" take place in 1997. There aren't any official dates at all until VideoGame/SilentHillOrigins, which attempted to give dates to the series and then failed miserably. So this could all really be a big moot point anyway.
13th Jan '18 9:59:42 PM MarsJenkar
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*** Even if Vincent (whose belief is questionable) didn't see them as divine and glorious, it's possible that Vincent was expecting Heather, the reincarnation of Alessa, to see the angelic in the beings of Silent Hill the way Claudia did. To that end, Vincent was confused by the fact that Heather seemed to be killing them as she encountered them. He thought that Heather might be having a literal God complex, and his rant was an effort to shut that down. Heather's line "You're talking about the monsters?" was very much a WhamLine for him--he hadn't considered that she would see them as something other than the angelic beings Claudia saw, bringing his rant to a screeching halt.

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*** Even if Vincent (whose belief is questionable) didn't see them as divine and glorious, it's possible that Vincent was expecting Heather, the reincarnation of Alessa, to see the angelic in the beings of Silent Hill the way Claudia did. (The following sentences are hypothetical, and expand on the stated hypothesis.) To that end, Vincent was confused by the fact that Heather seemed to be killing them as she encountered them. He thought that Heather might be having a literal God complex, and his rant was an effort to shut that down. Heather's line "You're talking about the monsters?" was very much a WhamLine for him--he hadn't considered that she would see them as something other than the angelic beings Claudia saw, bringing his rant to a screeching halt.
13th Jan '18 7:01:25 AM MarsJenkar
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*** Even if Vincent (whose belief is questionable) didn't see them as divine and glorious, it's possible that Vincent was expecting Heather, the reincarnation of Alessa, to see the angelic in the beings of Silent Hill the way Claudia did. To that end, Vincent was confused by the fact that Heather seemed to be killing them as she encountered them. He thought that Heather might be having a literal God complex, and his rant was an effort to shut that down. Heather's line "You're talking about the monsters?" was very much a WhamLine for him--he hadn't considered that she would see them as something other than the angelic beings Claudia saw, bringing his rant to a screeching halt.
13th Jan '18 6:31:49 AM MarsJenkar
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*** His parents might. However, under the circumstances, it's likely that Eddie would be known as a ''fugitive'' case, not missing persons--he'd killed a dog and shot a bully in the knee, after all. Eddie being the missing person is at best an outside chance, which leaves James Sunderland the most likely of the Silent Hill 2 characters to be the subject of the missing persons case.

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*** His parents might. However, under the circumstances, it's likely that Eddie would be known as a ''fugitive'' case, not missing persons--he'd killed a dog and shot a bully in the knee, after all. And given the bully is implied by Eddie's words (and stated via WordOfGod) to still be alive, Eddie likely has a witness to at least the latter. Eddie being the missing person is at best an outside chance, which leaves James Sunderland the most likely of the Silent Hill 2 characters to be the subject of the missing persons case.
12th Jan '18 11:33:53 PM MarsJenkar
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*** Also, note her reaction to Vincent's "They looked like ''monsters'' to you?" The thought that she might have killed ''people'' clearly did not sit well with her.
12th Jan '18 11:31:03 PM MarsJenkar
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*** His parents?!

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*** His parents?! parents might. However, under the circumstances, it's likely that Eddie would be known as a ''fugitive'' case, not missing persons--he'd killed a dog and shot a bully in the knee, after all. Eddie being the missing person is at best an outside chance, which leaves James Sunderland the most likely of the Silent Hill 2 characters to be the subject of the missing persons case.
11th Jun '17 1:00:15 AM Piterpicher
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*** I vote for untraceable myself, even still, to tack on more dates for you, officially SilentHillOrgins is set in 1972, SilentHill1 is in 1980, followed closely by SilentHill2 in 1994, then finally by SilentHill3 in 1997. There are a few [[ContinuityNod time line acknowledgments]] made in SH3 about when everything actually happened.

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*** I vote for untraceable myself, even still, to tack on more dates for you, officially SilentHillOrgins is set in 1972, SilentHill1 VideoGame/SilentHill1 is in 1980, followed closely by SilentHill2 in 1994, then finally by SilentHill3 in 1997. There are a few [[ContinuityNod time line acknowledgments]] made in SH3 about when everything actually happened.



*** To directly quote Dahlia in SilentHill1 : "I was shocked to hear that the Seal of Metatron was being used." So yes, it is mentioned. Otherwise, OP, I'm not seeing a problem? Alessa used the Seal of Metatron in order to seal away the nightmare she was accidentally inflicting on the town, which would be in her interests. Heather is Alessa, and Valtiel (supposedly) drags Heather away to revive her when she's killed - how is this a conflict of interest? If the Seal was a symbol Alessa used and it's now on Valtiel, who is helping Heather... I'm not seeing what the issue is. Regardless, like the troper above mentioned, the Seal of Metatron is actually a neutral symbol that gives power regardless of the intentions of the one using it. Although, apparently in 3, it's actually completely meaningless when it comes to stopping God...

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*** To directly quote Dahlia in SilentHill1 VideoGame/SilentHill1 : "I was shocked to hear that the Seal of Metatron was being used." So yes, it is mentioned. Otherwise, OP, I'm not seeing a problem? Alessa used the Seal of Metatron in order to seal away the nightmare she was accidentally inflicting on the town, which would be in her interests. Heather is Alessa, and Valtiel (supposedly) drags Heather away to revive her when she's killed - how is this a conflict of interest? If the Seal was a symbol Alessa used and it's now on Valtiel, who is helping Heather... I'm not seeing what the issue is. Regardless, like the troper above mentioned, the Seal of Metatron is actually a neutral symbol that gives power regardless of the intentions of the one using it. Although, apparently in 3, it's actually completely meaningless when it comes to stopping God...
11th Jun '17 12:40:21 AM Piterpicher
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*** The "they're actually innocent people" thing sort of reminds me of the "[[FerrisBuellersDayOff Ferris Bueller is a figment of Cameron's imagination]]" theory: people latch onto the mind-blowing aspect of it, but they don't give it any actual, y'know, ''thought''. When you do, you quickly realize that the "monsters" of Silent Hill really will attack and kill you if you let them, none of the other "monsters" panic or flee for their lives when you bludgeon one of their number to death with a steel pipe, and that a bunch of uniformed "monsters" never show up in police cruisers to put a stop to your murderous rampage at any point. They look like monsters, yes, but they also BEHAVE like monsters. It gets a good shock out of Heather, but it holds very little water as a legitimate answer for what the monsters are and what they're doing in the town. All told, "Vincent's just fucking with her" sounds like a much more credible theory.

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*** The "they're actually innocent people" thing sort of reminds me of the "[[FerrisBuellersDayOff "[[Film/FerrisBuellersDayOff Ferris Bueller is a figment of Cameron's imagination]]" theory: people latch onto the mind-blowing aspect of it, but they don't give it any actual, y'know, ''thought''. When you do, you quickly realize that the "monsters" of Silent Hill really will attack and kill you if you let them, none of the other "monsters" panic or flee for their lives when you bludgeon one of their number to death with a steel pipe, and that a bunch of uniformed "monsters" never show up in police cruisers to put a stop to your murderous rampage at any point. They look like monsters, yes, but they also BEHAVE like monsters. It gets a good shock out of Heather, but it holds very little water as a legitimate answer for what the monsters are and what they're doing in the town. All told, "Vincent's just fucking with her" sounds like a much more credible theory.
9th Mar '17 11:58:09 PM Miracle@StOlaf
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*** Hence the operative term "innocent." The popular theory is that Heather is insane and wandering around murdering random bystanders, something which instantly falls apart when even the most basic logic is applied to it.

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*** Hence the operative term "innocent." The popular theory that keeps getting thrown around is that Heather is insane and wandering around murdering random bystanders, something which a premise that is definitely shocking, but instantly falls apart when even the most basic logic is applied to it.
9th Mar '17 11:54:52 PM Miracle@StOlaf
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*** Hence the operative term "innocent." The popular theory is that Heather is insane and wandering around murdering random bystanders, something which instantly falls apart when even the most basic logic is applied to it.
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