History Headscratchers / SilentHill3

30th Jan '17 5:22:33 AM PurpleAlert
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*** Also: ''Leonard Wolfe''. We know for a fact that if he's not literally, biologically human, then he lived a (relatively) normal human life before being changed by the cult.
21st Jan '17 1:37:15 AM PurpleAlert
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**** "Don't worry, it's just a joke," said ''the con artist''. It's a meaningful line because Vincent is utterly unreliable as a source, almost everything he says to Heather is backed by a desire to manipulate her, a lack of reliable information, or a need to subvert the cult's aims for his own gain. None of those things require him to be honest with her, and all of them are helped by undermining her already-fragile grip on reality so that she'll look to him for direction, which completely works. To use your example, that's like quoting verse from a fake version of the Bible written by an atheist Bible salesman.
21st Jan '17 12:42:51 AM PurpleAlert
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**** Well, except that the "the monsters can't be people" theory presumes that the people are random bystanders who aren't involved with the cult at all, that their behavior is completely in line with what Heather is seeing and experiencing, and that Heather can see every person in the area and not only the ones that threaten or interact with her, and that the layered reality of Silent Hill is itself completely objective. Even the "uniformed monsters in police cruisers" hypothetical assumes that it's a consistent, universal, 1:1 human-to-monster parallel that Heather experiences, and unless you want to get into the meta of having limited monster types, we have no way to know that's true. Claudia even hands Heather an explanation as to why the monsters are willing to die to attack her: they're trying to get the cult's god to understand pain so that it can learn sympathy and save humanity. If they ''are'' people, the monsters aren't just random nobodies, they're insane, Lovecraft-style cultists willing to die for their cause.
28th Feb '16 4:54:19 PM Twist
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** Probably another case of Silent Hill playing on people's fears...

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** Probably another case of Silent Hill playing on people's fears...¸
** Actually, the roller coaster did make her jump in the right spot. After jumping off, she landed on the soft (I assume, kinda hard to tell because of the graphics) roof of a souvenir/popcorn wagon instead of the hard metal floor.
28th Feb '16 11:28:53 AM Miracle@StOlaf
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** Yup. Look at the fifth paragraph down from this one; monster behavior is "keep shambling towards the puny human bashing in your friend's skull with a pipe," while human behavior is "panic and run away from the fucking lunatic bashing in your friend's skull with a pipe." It's much easier to believe when you look at it that way.

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** Yup. Look at the fifth paragraph down from this one; monster behavior is "keep slowly shambling towards the puny human bashing in your friend's skull with a pipe," while human behavior behavior, broadly speaking, is "panic and run away from the fucking lunatic bashing in your friend's skull with a pipe." It's much easier to believe when you look at it that way.
13th Jan '16 12:49:00 PM lady_peaseblossom
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** Maybe because no matter how full of righteous anger you are, the act of killing another human being for the first time is an extremely difficult one? Heather's not a seasoned soldier-- she's only ''seventeen''. Sure, she may have been given marksmanship lessons from her father, but practicing on a dummy and killing an actual living thing are two vastly different things. Just look at the way she reacts when she fires the first shot at the Mandarin at the beginning of the game-- she ''cries out'' when the gun goes off for the first time, and that was against a ''monster''. I have no problem believing that she would blanch at committing cold-blooded murder, no matter how desperate for vengeance she was or how much Claudia deserved it.

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** Maybe because no matter how full of righteous anger you are, the act of killing another human being for the first time is usually an extremely difficult one? Heather's not a seasoned soldier-- soldier or even a sociopath-- from all appearances she's only ''seventeen''.a normal seventeen-year-old girl. Sure, she may have been given marksmanship lessons from her father, but practicing on a dummy and killing an actual living thing are two vastly different things. Just look at the way she reacts when she fires the first shot at the Mandarin at the beginning of the game-- she ''cries out'' when the gun goes off for the first time, and that was against a ''monster''. I have no problem believing that she would blanch at committing cold-blooded murder, no matter how desperate for vengeance she was or how much Claudia deserved it.
13th Jan '16 12:45:15 PM lady_peaseblossom
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** Maybe because no matter how full of righteous anger you are, the act of killing another human being for the first time is an extremely difficult one? Heather's not a seasoned soldier-- she's only <i>seventeen</i>. Sure, she may have been given marksmanship lessons from her father, but practicing on a dummy and killing an actual living thing are two vastly different things. Just look at the way she reacts when she fires the first shot at the Mandarin at the beginning of the game-- she <i>cries out</i> when the gun goes off for the first time, and that was against a <i>monster</i>. I have no problem believing that she would blanch at committing cold-blooded murder, no matter how desperate for vengeance she was or how much Claudia deserved it.

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** Maybe because no matter how full of righteous anger you are, the act of killing another human being for the first time is an extremely difficult one? Heather's not a seasoned soldier-- she's only <i>seventeen</i>.''seventeen''. Sure, she may have been given marksmanship lessons from her father, but practicing on a dummy and killing an actual living thing are two vastly different things. Just look at the way she reacts when she fires the first shot at the Mandarin at the beginning of the game-- she <i>cries out</i> ''cries out'' when the gun goes off for the first time, and that was against a <i>monster</i>.''monster''. I have no problem believing that she would blanch at committing cold-blooded murder, no matter how desperate for vengeance she was or how much Claudia deserved it.
13th Jan '16 12:44:42 PM lady_peaseblossom
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** Maybe because no matter how full of righteous anger you are, the act of killing another human being for the first time is an extremely difficult one? Heather's not a seasoned soldier-- she's only <i>seventeen</i>. Sure, she may have been given marksmanship lessons from her father, but practicing on a dummy and killing an actual living thing are two vastly different things. Just look at the way she reacts when she fires the first shot at the Mandarin at the beginning of the game-- she <i>cries out</i> when the gun goes off for the first time, and that was against a <i>monster</i>. I have no problem believing that she would blanch at committing cold-blooded murder, no matter how desperate for vengeance she was or how much Claudia deserved it.
30th Jun '15 10:34:12 PM AlinhoAlisson
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[[folder:Why am I not shooting her ass again?]]
* There are many cutscenes on the game where Heather will just point her gun at Claudia and threaten to kill her, but in the end, she gives up in all of them. The only instance where Heather can shoot Claudia is when controlled by the player near the final battle, which will lead to a DownerEnding where God is born. Now, I understand that God is nurtured by hatred and all that, but Claudia hints several times that killing her wouldn't be enough for it to happen. Such as: Not remembering her "true self", not being at the right place, ''not being at the right time''. So, I don't see any logical reasons for Heather to just wait or try to reason with an obviously insane woman who just murdered her father and shoot her ass up while there's still time. It's not even like she ''needed'' a reason the first time, because she didn't even understand the hatred plot point. Had she done this, she'd be back to her life and would forget about the whole "Silent Hill, God and Paradise" thing.
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15th Mar '15 8:00:10 PM Miracle@StOlaf
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** Yup. Look at the fourth paragraph down from this one; monster behavior is "keep shambling towards the puny human bashing in your friend's skull with a pipe," while human behavior is "panic and run away from the fucking lunatic bashing in your friend's skull with a pipe." It's much easier to believe when you look at it that way.
*** Well then, you just solved your own mystery, didn't you? The monsters don't run away, therefore, they're not human.

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** Yup. Look at the fourth fifth paragraph down from this one; monster behavior is "keep shambling towards the puny human bashing in your friend's skull with a pipe," while human behavior is "panic and run away from the fucking lunatic bashing in your friend's skull with a pipe." It's much easier to believe when you look at it that way.
*** Well then, you just solved your own mystery, didn't you? The monsters don't run away, therefore, they're not human.
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