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23rd Jul '17 9:04:37 PM Stehum
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** Alternately, in the very process of becoming Supreme Leader, Cha-Dawn has made some concessions/promises. After all, Planet by itself is in an endless cycle of almost-flowering. Cha-Dawn would not want his god to return to a barely-living state and never fully Flower. The diplomatic victory outright says that humanity, united, will face what comes together. It therefore stands to reason that a Cult diplomatic victory entails a race to Transcendence in order to both make Planet become the god they always believed it to be, and to make sure humanity can properly worship the new god and never again repeat the despoiling of worlds.
27th Jun '17 9:01:48 PM Matt620
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* Cha Dawn's planned end state is the annihilation of humanity (assuming he doesn't Transcend). Yet he can win a diplomatic victory as Supreme Leader, at which point all humans agree to his leadership - which means they agree to destroy all bases and industry on Planet and effectively commit mass suicide. How does this work exactly?

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* Cha Dawn's planned end state is the annihilation of humanity (assuming he doesn't Transcend). Yet he can win a diplomatic victory as Supreme Leader, at which point all humans agree to his leadership - which means they agree to destroy all bases and industry on Planet and effectively commit mass suicide. How does this work exactly?exactly?
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8th Jun '17 7:08:31 AM Ramidel
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** Since the cost of the victory is calculated by determining how much it would cost to mind control every base perhaps you umm...[[ShapedLikeItself mind control all their bases?]]

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** Since the cost of the victory is calculated by determining how much it would cost to mind control every base perhaps you umm...[[ShapedLikeItself mind control all their bases?]]bases?]]
* Cha Dawn's planned end state is the annihilation of humanity (assuming he doesn't Transcend). Yet he can win a diplomatic victory as Supreme Leader, at which point all humans agree to his leadership - which means they agree to destroy all bases and industry on Planet and effectively commit mass suicide. How does this work exactly?
2nd Jul '15 9:49:54 AM dsollen
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** Probably because the Progenitors are not brought like the rest of Planet. Economic Victory is essentially generating enough power (both in energetic terms and literally, as in Chiron, due to the energy-based economy, they're the same thing, as Morgan says) to essentially buy all other factions' bases. Unless you have a odd game where the Progenitors have overrun most of Planet, then it stands to reason that its game-over for them as the economic victory winner essentially rules Planet and can simply have all human factions destroy the Progenitors. At least in Diplomatic Victory it actually makes more sense because you need to wipe out the Progenitors before winning diplo-victory.

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** Probably because the Progenitors are not brought like the rest of Planet. Economic Victory is essentially generating enough power (both in energetic terms and literally, as in Chiron, due to the energy-based economy, they're the same thing, as Morgan says) to essentially buy all other factions' bases. Unless you have a odd game where the Progenitors have overrun most of Planet, then it stands to reason that its game-over for them as the economic victory winner essentially rules Planet and can simply have all human factions destroy the Progenitors. At least in Diplomatic Victory it actually makes more sense because you need to wipe out the Progenitors before winning diplo-victory.diplo-victory.
** Since the cost of the victory is calculated by determining how much it would cost to mind control every base perhaps you umm...[[ShapedLikeItself mind control all their bases?]]
15th Nov '14 5:10:27 PM chankljp
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*** Furthermore, environmentalism is largely an intellectual movement. Considering the Free Drones' disdain for even 'blue sky' scientific research with real life application, they will likely think of philosophers and ideologist that promote environmentalism very lowly.
5th Jun '14 4:21:42 PM Slaughter
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* How can humans win an Economic Victory over aliens, and vice versa? Aren't the Progenitor economies operating in self-sufficient autarky?

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* How can humans win an Economic Victory over aliens, and vice versa? Aren't the Progenitor economies operating in self-sufficient autarky?autarky?
** Probably because the Progenitors are not brought like the rest of Planet. Economic Victory is essentially generating enough power (both in energetic terms and literally, as in Chiron, due to the energy-based economy, they're the same thing, as Morgan says) to essentially buy all other factions' bases. Unless you have a odd game where the Progenitors have overrun most of Planet, then it stands to reason that its game-over for them as the economic victory winner essentially rules Planet and can simply have all human factions destroy the Progenitors. At least in Diplomatic Victory it actually makes more sense because you need to wipe out the Progenitors before winning diplo-victory.
27th Apr '14 4:40:24 AM Ramidel
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** It kind of looks like a sci-fi anthill and termite mound.

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** It kind of looks like a sci-fi anthill and termite mound.mound.
* How can humans win an Economic Victory over aliens, and vice versa? Aren't the Progenitor economies operating in self-sufficient autarky?
11th Apr '14 11:16:31 PM Ramidel
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** Planet doesn't need to be fully sentient to be able to produce a new variety of mindworm. If the Cult is right, Cha Dawn is essentially a human-shaped mindworm boil, or a human child [[BodyHorror repurposed into one]], that was adopted and educated by the Cult of Planet. He's not part of the Planetmind for the same reason that Deirdre's worms aren't, and the only real difference is that the mind that he's developed is on the level of a human Talent and is running a faction.
11th Dec '13 5:39:04 AM Wolf101
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* What is [[http://www.hdwpapers.com/walls/sid_meiers_alpha_centauri_wallpaper-normal.jpg Gaia's Landing]] (and most Stepdaughter cities, for that matter) built out of/on? It looks like some weird tree to me, but that seems unlikely.

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* What is [[http://www.hdwpapers.com/walls/sid_meiers_alpha_centauri_wallpaper-normal.jpg Gaia's Landing]] (and most Stepdaughter cities, for that matter) built out of/on? It looks like some weird tree to me, but that seems unlikely.unlikely.
** It kind of looks like a sci-fi anthill and termite mound.
16th Nov '13 8:11:35 AM Mangod
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*** Further depends on how you define Morganite. The Morganites and Drones generally don't get along because the Morganites are capitalists while the Drones are old-school communists. The Morganites want to get rich, while the Drones want everyone to be. That's why the thing that most gets their gander is not having a Eudaimonic future society: it means that, deep down, your desire is *not* to make your people happy.

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*** Further depends on how you define Morganite. The Morganites and Drones generally don't get along because the Morganites are capitalists while the Drones are old-school communists. The Morganites want to get rich, while the Drones want everyone to be. That's why the thing that most gets their gander is not having a Eudaimonic future society: it means that, deep down, your desire is *not* to make your people happy.happy.
* What is [[http://www.hdwpapers.com/walls/sid_meiers_alpha_centauri_wallpaper-normal.jpg Gaia's Landing]] (and most Stepdaughter cities, for that matter) built out of/on? It looks like some weird tree to me, but that seems unlikely.
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