History Headscratchers / Sherlock

30th Jan '17 12:33:07 PM JackBloodSucker
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** [[spoiler: Also, saying someone is gay is not the same as saying they’re bisexual. As someone who is bisexual, while I wouldn’t be offended if someone thought I was gay, I would certainly correct their misassumption. By sheer definitions, someone who is only attracted to their own gender is not the same as someone who is attracted to both genders. Irene specifies that she’s gay. She sleeps with women only. She never states that she wants to have sex with Sherlock. She wants to throw him down, tie him up, and make him beg for mercy. Twice. The definition of a professional Dominatrix. When Sherlock reads her pulse and pupil dilation, he does not find out that she wants to have sex with him. He finds out that she cares about him in some way. In fact, that’s the whole point of her and John’s little conversation:]]

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** [[spoiler: Also, saying someone is gay is not the same as saying they’re bisexual. As someone who is bisexual, while I wouldn’t be offended if someone thought I was gay, I would certainly correct their misassumption. By sheer definitions, someone who is only attracted to their own gender is not the same as someone who is attracted to both genders. Irene specifies that she’s gay. She sleeps with women only. She never states that she wants to have sex with Sherlock. She wants to throw him down, tie him up, and make him beg for mercy. Twice. The definition of a professional Dominatrix. When Sherlock reads her pulse and pupil dilation, he does not find out that she wants to have sex with him. He finds out that she cares about him in some way. In fact, that’s the whole point of her and John’s John’s little conversation:]]


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* In The Hounds Of Baskerville, Sherlock showed he knew who Margaret Thatcher was, yet fails to recognise her in this episode.
30th Jan '17 2:47:50 AM Tuomas
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** For her supposed "reprogramming" to work, she would need to be able to read people's sensitive points and manipulate them. Trial and error doesn't really work that way, especially since she's locked up and has absolutely no way to actually threaten the Sherrinford staff (at least not until they start letting her out, but at that point she must've already successfully reprogrammed many of them), so she needs to be able to subtly persuade and manipulate people based on their individual desires. Trial and errow wouldn't work, because that's way more blunt, and it'd make easy for everyone to see she's trying to manipulate them. So her super-manipulation skills simply can't work to the degree they are shown to work if she can't read emotions.

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** For her supposed "reprogramming" to work, she would need to be able to read people's sensitive points and manipulate them. Trial and error doesn't really work that way, especially since Since she's locked up and has absolutely no way to actually threaten the Sherrinford staff (at least not until they start letting her out, but at that point she must've already successfully reprogrammed many of them), so she needs to be able to subtly persuade and manipulate people based on their individual desires. Trial But in a situation like that trial and errow error wouldn't work, because that's way more blunt, blunt and less personalised, and it'd make easy for everyone to see she's trying to manipulate them. So her super-manipulation skills simply can't work to the degree they are shown to work if she can't read emotions.
30th Jan '17 2:44:40 AM Tuomas
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** No, it's pretty obvious she had this exact scenario planned, because years earlier she and Moriarty had already recorded a video message, where Moriarty comments on the situation where Sherlock has to shoot either John or Mycroft. So it makes little sense that Eurus would lure the three to Sherrinford, when there would've been a dozen other ways to do it with less chances of failing to get to her planned final scenario. Even if she could magically predict all three would survive the explosion, one or two of them could've been seriously injured, and that alone would've ruined her endgame, as they couldn't have traveled to Sherrinford if they were hospitalised. It doesn't make any sense for her to come up with a meticulous masterplan, where the very first stage could fail in a way that would render the other stages of the plan pointless.


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** For her supposed "reprogramming" to work, she would need to be able to read people's sensitive points and manipulate them. Trial and error doesn't really work that way, especially since she's locked up and has absolutely no way to actually threaten the Sherrinford staff (at least not until they start letting her out, but at that point she must've already successfully reprogrammed many of them), so she needs to be able to subtly persuade and manipulate people based on their individual desires. Trial and errow wouldn't work, because that's way more blunt, and it'd make easy for everyone to see she's trying to manipulate them. So her super-manipulation skills simply can't work to the degree they are shown to work if she can't read emotions.
26th Jan '17 12:48:26 PM TimBuckII
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** It's entirely possible she simply didn't have as much control over Moriarty as she thought she did. Wouldn't be the first time such a thing has happened in fiction. In fact, in this very episode, Sherlock behaved in a way that she wasn't expecting (i.e. attempting suicide.).


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** Since her knowledge is gained entirely from observation and trial and error, it makes sense that there would be a few holes in it. She can ''cause'' distress, but can't always ''recognize'' it.
26th Jan '17 12:40:44 PM TimBuckII
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** I took it to mean that Sherlock had trained him very well. He was already learning the Sherlock Scan, why not some chemistry?

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** I took it to mean that Sherlock had trained him very well. He was already learning the [[SherlockScan Sherlock Scan, Scan]], why not some chemistry?
26th Jan '17 12:28:35 PM TimBuckII
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*** Indeed, Sherlock found her right away once he knew she was in "her room," so it ''had'' to have been the same room she had as a kid.
26th Jan '17 12:23:24 PM TimBuckII
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*** Isn't that how he finally figured it out?
20th Jan '17 7:27:22 PM Kayube
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** Maybe she had a bunch of other possible torture scenarios planned out in case there were more or fewer people there. She set up the scenarios that went with John, Sherlock, Mycroft, and David being captured at the beginning while they were knocked out.
19th Jan '17 4:56:10 PM Jgorgon
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* How can Eurus be both the world's foremost super-expert at reading and manipulating people, ''and'' so bad at reading emotion that she can't tell when someone's distressed unless they announce it?
17th Jan '17 6:00:07 AM Rory1989
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** Moriary most likely hoped that Sherlock would commit suicide but if he didnt, Moriarty was contend with knowing there was a backup plan that would defeat Sherlock after his death so either way he thinks hes beaten Sherlock. Eurus being the super genius she is probably predicted that Sherlock would not commit suicide and mainly wanted Moriarty to make Sherlock suffer some more and record the messages for her plan.
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