History Headscratchers / RedStormRising

22nd Aug '15 8:51:51 PM BrotherSurplice
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*** Surely that should be: "F-R-G! F-R-G!"
6th Apr '14 10:01:19 AM JustKnown
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*** Remember Operation Doolittle and how it was crazy risky and required almost every missile sub in NATO and only managed to destroy 4 airfields ? Or the bomber strike on Iceland that didn't even close the runway ? Thing is that cruise missiles just don't do a whole lot of damage, at least not in terms of leveling city blocks. There's simply no way to put a VAST port out of action using them. They are precision weapons. It takes either nukes or INSANE amounts of conventional ordinance. Combined with the much greater risk for the Soviets it made attacking mainland US essentially impossible.

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*** Remember Operation Doolittle and how it was crazy risky and required almost every missile sub in NATO and only managed to destroy 4 airfields ? airfields? Or the bomber strike on Iceland that didn't even close the runway ? runway? Thing is that cruise missiles just don't do a whole lot of damage, at least not in terms of leveling city blocks. There's simply no way to put a VAST port out of action using them. They are precision weapons. It takes either nukes or INSANE amounts of conventional ordinance. Combined with the much greater risk for the Soviets it made attacking mainland US essentially impossible.
**** Even operation Doolittle wasn't intended to destroy the airfields themselves so much as to catch the returning bombers as they were landing.
6th Apr '14 9:10:44 AM JustKnown
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** Tracking a carrier isn't a trival effort, especially during the time when this story was set. Also, it's very possible for the propulsion of a ship to be undamaged despite other catastrophic damage. The USS Saratoga was hit badly during WW2 and still managed to make 16 knots and reach Pearl Harbour in only a couple of days.

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** Tracking a carrier isn't a trival effort, especially during the time when this story was set. Also, it's very possible for the propulsion of a ship to be undamaged despite other catastrophic damage. The USS Saratoga was hit badly during WW2 and still managed to make 16 knots and reach Pearl Harbour in only a couple of days.days.
** Hoping is exactly what they are doing. People who only experience war through fiction constantly underestimate the amount of confusion and misdirection present in the real thing.
13th Jan '14 7:18:51 AM mack
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* Yet another strange thing: The Nimitz and its nuclear-powered cruiser escorts are said to make 30 knots towards Britain after their disastrous battle, yet the Blue side decided to put the wounded carrier into a heavy list when she docked to misguide some unwelcome observers - The problem is, a heavy list is indicative of damage below the waterline, as well as some tens of thousand tons of additional displacement on a ship of that size, both of which would stop her from making her full speed like that had it been real. Might have missed something but - Are they hoping for the Reds to jump to conclusions?

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* Yet another strange thing: The Nimitz and its nuclear-powered cruiser escorts are said to make 30 knots towards Britain after their disastrous battle, yet the Blue side decided to put the wounded carrier into a heavy list when she docked to misguide some unwelcome observers - The problem is, a heavy list is indicative of damage below the waterline, as well as some tens of thousand tons of additional displacement on a ship of that size, both of which would stop her from making her full speed like that had it been real. Might have missed something but - Are they hoping for the Reds to jump to conclusions?conclusions?
** Tracking a carrier isn't a trival effort, especially during the time when this story was set. Also, it's very possible for the propulsion of a ship to be undamaged despite other catastrophic damage. The USS Saratoga was hit badly during WW2 and still managed to make 16 knots and reach Pearl Harbour in only a couple of days.
31st Oct '13 4:55:51 AM TheInterrogator
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** The basis of Soviet strategy, and the maskirovka, was to make the War seem centered around West Germany. The Russians wanted to contain the battle to just destroying NATO forces in Europe. Attacking the US directly would have seriously escalated a conflict the USSR didn't want, and meant taking more resources from the battle they DID want, in the Gulf.
22nd Feb '13 6:55:38 PM NoctisVampire
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* Yet another strange thing: The Nimitz and its nuclear-powered cruiser escorts are said to make 30 knots towards Britain after their disastrous battle, yet the Blue side decided to put the wounded carrier into a heavy list when she docked to misguide some unwelcome observers - The problem is, a heavy list is indicative of underwater damage, as well as some tens of thousand tons of additional displacement on a ship of that size, both of which would stop her from making her full speed like that had it been real. Might have missed something but - Are they hoping for the Reds to jump to conclusions?

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* Yet another strange thing: The Nimitz and its nuclear-powered cruiser escorts are said to make 30 knots towards Britain after their disastrous battle, yet the Blue side decided to put the wounded carrier into a heavy list when she docked to misguide some unwelcome observers - The problem is, a heavy list is indicative of underwater damage, damage below the waterline, as well as some tens of thousand tons of additional displacement on a ship of that size, both of which would stop her from making her full speed like that had it been real. Might have missed something but - Are they hoping for the Reds to jump to conclusions?
22nd Feb '13 9:24:20 AM NoctisVampire
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** Hey! What about the Luftwaffe attack the Soviet airbase at Mahlminkel? Germany! Germany!

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** Hey! What about the Luftwaffe attack the Soviet airbase at Mahlminkel? Germany! Germany!Germany!
* Yet another strange thing: The Nimitz and its nuclear-powered cruiser escorts are said to make 30 knots towards Britain after their disastrous battle, yet the Blue side decided to put the wounded carrier into a heavy list when she docked to misguide some unwelcome observers - The problem is, a heavy list is indicative of underwater damage, as well as some tens of thousand tons of additional displacement on a ship of that size, both of which would stop her from making her full speed like that had it been real. Might have missed something but - Are they hoping for the Reds to jump to conclusions?
26th Jun '12 7:15:43 PM Shepherd
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*** They didn't let them resupply unmolested; a significant portion of the novel is centered on the dangers the convoys face crossing the Atlantic. It almost works, too, as ammunition gets to be pretty thin for the tanks at the front.
22nd Jun '12 3:16:46 PM Achaemenid
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** Is it worth pointing out that NATO ''did'' get a first strike off, wiping out radar aircraft, bridges and logistics, cutting off the front lines from their supply and ensuring air supremacy which pretty much was the only reason they survived the initial thrusts. As far as first strikes go, its not quite as exciting as nukes and cruise missiles, but it was tactical genius pretty much ensuring that the fight would bog down before a shot had been fired. U-S-A! U-S-A!

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** Is it worth pointing out that NATO ''did'' get a first strike off, wiping out radar aircraft, bridges and logistics, cutting off the front lines from their supply and ensuring air supremacy which pretty much was the only reason they survived the initial thrusts. As far as first strikes go, its not quite as exciting as nukes and cruise missiles, but it was tactical genius pretty much ensuring that the fight would bog down before a shot had been fired. U-S-A! U-S-A!U-S-A!
** Hey! What about the Luftwaffe attack the Soviet airbase at Mahlminkel? Germany! Germany!
12th Feb '12 7:34:31 PM LostAlone
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** The answer here is that they were just too well defended and too far away. Look at operation doolittle. That is the scale of the operation you would need to attack New York, say. Even worse is that the subs don't have England and Norway to dock at after, they would have to recross the atlantic.
*** Remember Operation Doolittle and how it was crazy risky and required almost every missile sub in NATO and only managed to destroy 4 airfields ? Or the bomber strike on Iceland that didn't even close the runway ? Thing is that cruise missiles just don't do a whole lot of damage, at least not in terms of leveling city blocks. There's simply no way to put a VAST port out of action using them. They are precision weapons. It takes either nukes or INSANE amounts of conventional ordinance. Combined with the much greater risk for the Soviets it made attacking mainland US essentially impossible.
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