History Headscratchers / PuellaMagiMadokaMagica

16th May '18 4:29:54 AM HermelinGraduate
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*** You're point was made, but you could have been less of an ass about it. I just had difficulty finding concrete information so I wanted confirmation.

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*** You're point was made, but you could have been less of an ass about it. I just had difficulty finding concrete information so I wanted confirmation.confirmation.
**** If you had difficulty finding this information, it's because you didn't actually look for it. It's stated directly in the show. Kyubey even explains why magical girls are called magical ''girls'' in reference to what humans call females in their second growth phase. Multiple entries on this page and the Fridge page reference the question of why there are no magical boys, what would happen if a transgender boy or girl made a contract, what happens if a girl made a contract wishing to be a boy, and so on, and so on. So I apologize if I made my frustrations a little more obvious than is polite, but I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.
14th May '18 6:24:34 AM Mami
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*** How many times are people going to ask this? Actually pay attention to the show, people, Kyubey explicitly states his reasoning, this is not a headscratcher if you have more brains than a goldfish does. It's because teenage girls are the most emotionally volatile demographic of humanity and the Incubators are extremely efficient. Teenage girls are guaranteed to get the results they want, which means contracting with anyone ''except'' teenage girls is a waste of their time. Imagine somebody puts you in front of two slot machines, a pink one and a blue one. They tell you that the pink one wins a hundred dollar prize every single time. The blue one wins a hundred dollar prize once out of every ten spins. Every pull costs ten dollars and you have a hundred dollars in your pocket, how many times do you use each machine?

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*** How many times are people going to ask this? Actually pay attention to the show, people, Kyubey explicitly states his reasoning, this is not a headscratcher if you have more brains than a goldfish does. It's because teenage girls are the most emotionally volatile demographic of humanity and the Incubators are extremely efficient. Teenage girls are guaranteed to get the results they want, which means contracting with anyone ''except'' teenage girls is a waste of their time. Imagine somebody puts you in front of two slot machines, a pink one and a blue one. They tell you that the pink one wins a hundred dollar prize every single time. The blue one wins a hundred dollar prize once out of every ten spins. Every pull costs ten dollars and you have a hundred dollars in your pocket, how many times do you use each machine?machine?
***You're point was made, but you could have been less of an ass about it. I just had difficulty finding concrete information so I wanted confirmation.
7th May '18 10:10:43 AM HermelinGraduate
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**** Yes, and it does, '''that's literally the entire crux of the show from the very first episode.''' We even see this with Homura's multiple timeline flashbacks in episode 10. Madoka goes from "dying alone against Walpurgis" to "one-shotting Walpurgis and instantly becoming a Witch so huge the clouds obscure her upper half". What part of that could be confusing? It's literally in the show. In the timelines where her power would be at its lowest, Madoka would already have been a magical girl when Sayaka died, so she wasn't eligible for another wish anyway. In the one timeline (that we know of) where she had the option to wish Sayaka back, she did, and it worked.



* Is there a reason why there are only magical GIRLS? I mean, the out of universe reason is more or less obvious, but is there a concrete reason given why they only use girls for the contract?

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** It's a meme. The Morning Rescue thing caught on because the actual Morning Rescue commercial was so absurd in comparison to the show that everyone who watched it had more or less the same reaction. If anyone's responsible for the Morning Rescue meme, it's Morning Rescue.
* Is there a reason why there are only magical GIRLS? I mean, the out of universe reason is more or less obvious, but is there a concrete reason given why they only use girls for the contract?contract?
*** How many times are people going to ask this? Actually pay attention to the show, people, Kyubey explicitly states his reasoning, this is not a headscratcher if you have more brains than a goldfish does. It's because teenage girls are the most emotionally volatile demographic of humanity and the Incubators are extremely efficient. Teenage girls are guaranteed to get the results they want, which means contracting with anyone ''except'' teenage girls is a waste of their time. Imagine somebody puts you in front of two slot machines, a pink one and a blue one. They tell you that the pink one wins a hundred dollar prize every single time. The blue one wins a hundred dollar prize once out of every ten spins. Every pull costs ten dollars and you have a hundred dollars in your pocket, how many times do you use each machine?
3rd May '18 1:18:38 AM Mami
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* This is strange question but who exactly was responsible for the Morning Rescue meme? Here it said the fansubbers did it because they thought it was funny enough to offset the depressing episode but I notice it caught on in Japan too. Is this another [Anime/SchoolDays Nice Boat]] situation where both sides thought it was funny(which is kind of rare)?

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* This is strange question but who exactly was responsible for the Morning Rescue meme? Here it said the fansubbers did it because they thought it was funny enough to offset the depressing episode but I notice it caught on in Japan too. Is this another [Anime/SchoolDays Nice Boat]] situation where both sides thought it was funny(which is kind of rare)?rare)?
* Is there a reason why there are only magical GIRLS? I mean, the out of universe reason is more or less obvious, but is there a concrete reason given why they only use girls for the contract?
22nd Apr '18 12:31:08 AM ergeis
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** I thought that Madoka was saying that she could have undone Sayaka's wish, and have her stay a normal girl. But she didn't think that Sayaka would want that, because it would put Kyousuke back into his painful existance of not being able to use his arm or do what he loves with music anymore, which Sayaka agreed with. In the end, she was happy hearing him play again [something she had desperately wanted] and letting him and Hitomi be happy. It's nothing to do with Madoka not being able to undo the other girls wishes or not and everything to do with her understanding and respecting what Sayaka had wanted. Also, side note, what if she did change Mami and Kyoko's wishes? Because if she could change Sayaka's, there is no reason she couldn't change theirs. Where would that leave them? Mami would have died in a car crash, and Kyoko would be left stuck to starve with a disgraced father, with no guarentee that some other horribleness involving a disgraced priest wouldn't have killed them all. In a way, letting them make their ways in the new universe, hopefully find themselves a happier life when they're not doomed to fall to dispair, and ultimately be able to find peace and happiness with her in the Law of Cycles is much kinder than leaving them in certain and near-certain doom respectively.

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** I thought that Madoka was saying that she could have undone Sayaka's wish, and have her stay a normal girl. But she didn't think that Sayaka would want that, because it would put Kyousuke back into his painful existance of not being able to use his arm or do what he loves with music anymore, which Sayaka agreed with. In the end, she was happy hearing him play again [something she had desperately wanted] and letting him and Hitomi be happy. It's nothing to do with Madoka not being able to undo the other girls wishes or not and everything to do with her understanding and respecting what Sayaka had wanted. Also, side note, what if she did change Mami and Kyoko's wishes? Because if she could change Sayaka's, there is no reason she couldn't change theirs. Where would that leave them? Mami would have died in a car crash, and Kyoko would be left stuck to starve with a disgraced father, with no guarentee that some other horribleness involving a disgraced priest wouldn't have killed them all. In a way, letting them make their ways in the new universe, hopefully find themselves a happier life when they're not doomed to fall to dispair, and ultimately be able to find peace and happiness with her in the Law of Cycles is much kinder than leaving them in certain and near-certain doom respectively.respectively.
* This is strange question but who exactly was responsible for the Morning Rescue meme? Here it said the fansubbers did it because they thought it was funny enough to offset the depressing episode but I notice it caught on in Japan too. Is this another [Anime/SchoolDays Nice Boat]] situation where both sides thought it was funny(which is kind of rare)?
16th Mar '18 4:54:09 PM nombretomado
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* This might be a bit too meta, but '''why in the ever loving blue fuck are there so many goddamn instances''' on ThisVeryWiki of people claiming that Kyubey can't bring back the dead? Seriously, at what point in the franchise did someone reach into their own ass an come out with the assumption that the immortal magic weasel that can turn back time an fix medically incurable/terminal ailments was powerless against mortality? Doesn't that go against a lot of the spoken and shown extent of his abilities to claim that? That's not even getting into the fact that in multiple ExpandedUniverse works he explicitly shows that creating and recreating life is well within his powers. KazumiMagica sees him create a doppelgänger of one of the Saints that has all of the original ones memories (except for the childhood accident) and a lifeforce of her own, and if that isn't good enough, the alternate timeline of ''[[Manga/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheDifferentStory The Different Story]]'' has Madoka make a contract when Walpurgisnatch comes to revive Sayaka after she had become a witch and been slated by Kyoko (though she doesn't remember being a witch and thinks Madoka instead saved her from being eaten by one.) So what gives, why is everyone claiming that he can't do it? He can rewrite the laws of the universe if the correct girl thinks to try. The only reason that he doesn't do it in the anime is because either A) the heat of the moment keeps the thought from occurring (like Mami) they become convinced that karmic recompense will screw over whoever they wish back into an even worse grave (Madoka) or they have wider intentions that won't be met by ''merely'' bringing a person back to life (Homura).

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* This might be a bit too meta, but '''why in the ever loving blue fuck are there so many goddamn instances''' on ThisVeryWiki Wiki/ThisVeryWiki of people claiming that Kyubey can't bring back the dead? Seriously, at what point in the franchise did someone reach into their own ass an come out with the assumption that the immortal magic weasel that can turn back time an fix medically incurable/terminal ailments was powerless against mortality? Doesn't that go against a lot of the spoken and shown extent of his abilities to claim that? That's not even getting into the fact that in multiple ExpandedUniverse works he explicitly shows that creating and recreating life is well within his powers. KazumiMagica sees him create a doppelgänger of one of the Saints that has all of the original ones memories (except for the childhood accident) and a lifeforce of her own, and if that isn't good enough, the alternate timeline of ''[[Manga/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheDifferentStory The Different Story]]'' has Madoka make a contract when Walpurgisnatch comes to revive Sayaka after she had become a witch and been slated by Kyoko (though she doesn't remember being a witch and thinks Madoka instead saved her from being eaten by one.) So what gives, why is everyone claiming that he can't do it? He can rewrite the laws of the universe if the correct girl thinks to try. The only reason that he doesn't do it in the anime is because either A) the heat of the moment keeps the thought from occurring (like Mami) they become convinced that karmic recompense will screw over whoever they wish back into an even worse grave (Madoka) or they have wider intentions that won't be met by ''merely'' bringing a person back to life (Homura).
8th Mar '18 5:06:01 PM Nekogal89
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** Personally, I think that scene is less about "we could have undone your wish" and more "imagine if you hadn't made your wish." But if we do take a literal interpretation of Madoka's words, it does make sense that she would have a degree of leeway to change Sayaka's fate that she didn't have with the other girls. Notice that, unlike Mami and Kyouko who contracted long before the series, Sayaka is not a magical girl in the first two timelines this implies that the reason she starts contracting in later timelines is because of Madoka and Homura's presence or interference, intentional or not. This makes sense if you think about it: the higher Madoka's potential gets with each reset, the more Kyuubey wants her, and the more Kyuubey wants her, the more incentive he has to contract with weaker friends of Madoka's to give Madoka more of a reason to contract. In the new world, since Madoka isn't around and Homura isn't artificially boosting anyone's potential, Sayaka's fate becomes a grey area: Madoka's absence means Kyuubey has less reason to approach Sayaka, but ''if'' he was to approach her, Sayaka would still have the desire to heal Kyousuke. I don't think Madoka could just arbitrarily rewrite things as she wished she's a goddess, in a sense, but not the omnipotent kind, and she follows very specific directives but I would imagine that any events between mid-March and April 30 would have been open to some extra influencing because that month had been completely screwed up by Homura's magic and then further complicated by Madoka's paradox.

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** Personally, I think that scene is less about "we could have undone your wish" and more "imagine if you hadn't made your wish." But if we do take a literal interpretation of Madoka's words, it does make sense that she would have a degree of leeway to change Sayaka's fate that she didn't have with the other girls. Notice that, unlike Mami and Kyouko who contracted long before the series, Sayaka is not a magical girl in the first two timelines this implies that the reason she starts contracting in later timelines is because of Madoka and Homura's presence or interference, intentional or not. This makes sense if you think about it: the higher Madoka's potential gets with each reset, the more Kyuubey wants her, and the more Kyuubey wants her, the more incentive he has to contract with weaker friends of Madoka's to give Madoka more of a reason to contract. In the new world, since Madoka isn't around and Homura isn't artificially boosting anyone's potential, Sayaka's fate becomes a grey area: Madoka's absence means Kyuubey has less reason to approach Sayaka, but ''if'' he was to approach her, Sayaka would still have the desire to heal Kyousuke. I don't think Madoka could just arbitrarily rewrite things as she wished she's a goddess, in a sense, but not the omnipotent kind, and she follows very specific directives but I would imagine that any events between mid-March and April 30 would have been open to some extra influencing because that month had been completely screwed up by Homura's magic and then further complicated by Madoka's paradox.paradox.
**I thought that Madoka was saying that she could have undone Sayaka's wish, and have her stay a normal girl. But she didn't think that Sayaka would want that, because it would put Kyousuke back into his painful existance of not being able to use his arm or do what he loves with music anymore, which Sayaka agreed with. In the end, she was happy hearing him play again [something she had desperately wanted] and letting him and Hitomi be happy. It's nothing to do with Madoka not being able to undo the other girls wishes or not and everything to do with her understanding and respecting what Sayaka had wanted. Also, side note, what if she did change Mami and Kyoko's wishes? Because if she could change Sayaka's, there is no reason she couldn't change theirs. Where would that leave them? Mami would have died in a car crash, and Kyoko would be left stuck to starve with a disgraced father, with no guarentee that some other horribleness involving a disgraced priest wouldn't have killed them all. In a way, letting them make their ways in the new universe, hopefully find themselves a happier life when they're not doomed to fall to dispair, and ultimately be able to find peace and happiness with her in the Law of Cycles is much kinder than leaving them in certain and near-certain doom respectively.
6th Feb '18 2:00:19 AM H.N.Levian
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** In Mami's case, she gets the benefit of her very particular role as a magical girl. See, the fact that she was completely alone before meeting Kyouko implies either that she was the ''only'' magical girl in Mitakihara when Kyuubey contracted with her, or that she became so very quickly. That means ''the entire city'' was dependent on Mami alone to protect them from witches, for months if not years. That's a lot of lives to influence, over a long period of time, so her powers would have started off very weak but grown at a very high rate. (It's also been theorized that she had the benefit of a longer-lasting Soul Gem than usual for her power level since her wish was related to staying alive, which would have helped her survive and get stronger, though this has never been confirmed.) In Kyouko's case, well, her wish essentially led to the creation of a new religion. Even if we assume that all her father's followers stopped believing after his suicide which is ''not'' confirmed - that was still a big deal and it's something that would have disrupted life as it was known for hundreds of people. Sayaka, on the other hand, gets neither benefit. Sayaka isn't valuable as a magical girl because, from the second she contracted, Homura and Kyouko were already there operating in Mitakihara, and even if she put on a cynical front, Homura at least would have protected the town from witches ''and'' familiars if for no other reasons than to keep them from killing Madoka. (She tells Sayaka to stop wasting time and magic on familiars, but that's specifically because Sayaka ''isn't'' strong enough to deal with everything. Homura doesn't have that problem.) Therefore, even when Sayaka saves people, it's inherently worth less because Homura and Kyouko could have and would have accomplished the same work or close to it. Meanwhile, Sayaka also isn't that valuable in terms of her wish, because she only healed one person, and the only people who really benefit all that strongly are his family and Hitomi. Sure, lots of people get to hear Kyousuke play violin now, but realistically if he wasn't around, someone almost exactly as good would be playing in his place and nothing would change.
3rd Feb '18 1:22:26 PM zoopyDoopy
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* How does the whole Karmic destiny thing work re: a magical girl's potential? Kyubey implies it's how many people's fates rest on you, and that if Madoka had been a ruler or saviour of a country responsible for lots of people then he could have understood her vast potential. Considering that, shouldn't the rest of the cast have fairly equal strength and talents as magical girls? The hierarchy seems to go Madoka > Mami > Kyoko/Homura > Sayaka in terms of power, with Homura able to beat Mami only when Mami is hamstrung by her own issues and doesn't know what Homura's power is. But why? Sayaka having minimal talent makes sense - she's a schoolgirl and additionally a latchkey kid. Homura's strength being limited to the type of power she has also makes sense since it seems to be that she's an orphan. But why are Kyoko and Mami more powerful than Sayaka and Homura respectively? Mami herself is an orphan and after her death no one even notices she's missing for several episodes. Kyoko too is from a small family. Other than Madoka, what difference is there between the girls' karmic potential that their power levels vary at all? All are schoolgirls with limited social circles and either missing or dead parents.
21st Jan '18 8:15:41 AM JoltNinja
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*** [[spoiler:Regarding Joan of Arc, it's possible her Soul Gem was burned up. Nobody ever said they were fireproof. In fact, they actually look rather weak to me...]

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*** [[spoiler:Regarding Joan of Arc, it's possible her Soul Gem was burned up. Nobody ever said they were fireproof. In fact, they actually look rather weak to me...]]]
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