History Headscratchers / PuellaMagiMadokaMagica

10th Aug '16 12:40:57 PM PurpleAlert
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**** What does FrankenFran have to do with anything? Either way, you've got it a little backwards. Kyubey ''isn't'' a protagonist, and his goals are only admirable in the sense that he's working to save his own skin and isn't ''against'' that being beneficial to others. His "rules" are formulated in exactly the right way that he can skirt them whenever he wants (He has to deal "fairly" and he isn't allowed to give strictly untrue information or suggest wishes, but he can withhold whatever information he wants and he can casually "speculate" without being obligated to share any realistic wishes that he can reasonably expect will solve the girl's problems) and he's comfortable with obliterating humanity as an acceptable loss because it gets him what he wants. We see from multiple interactions with the magical girls that he understands exactly what he's doing and why they're upset by it, he just doesn't care, and when they object, he just claims he can't comprehend what they mean. It's easy to hate Kyubey because he '''consumes the souls of children''', why is that so difficult to grasp?
8th Jun '16 9:59:18 AM Willbyr
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*** Same guy from two bullets above, what really bugs me is that Fran from ''FrankenFran'' is a real sicko, but the fans ''swear'' she can't possibly be evil because she doesn't understand human morality. Yet everyone hates Kyubey, who isn't even that bad, when he has the same thing going for him. Am I the only one who sees this as saying [[DoubleStandard that having a]] BlueAndOrangeMorality [[DoubleStandard is a perfectly fine excuse for committing horrific atrocities]] - [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality but only if you're the protagonist?]]

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*** Same guy from two bullets above, what really bugs me is that Fran from ''FrankenFran'' ''Manga/FrankenFran'' is a real sicko, but the fans ''swear'' she can't possibly be evil because she doesn't understand human morality. Yet everyone hates Kyubey, who isn't even that bad, when he has the same thing going for him. Am I the only one who sees this as saying [[DoubleStandard that having a]] BlueAndOrangeMorality [[DoubleStandard is a perfectly fine excuse for committing horrific atrocities]] - [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality but only if you're the protagonist?]]
28th May '16 8:43:19 PM PurpleAlert
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** Because of the part where she wants to be the one to protect Madoka. In a way, it's pretty brilliant: after even just one loop, Madoka's potential as a magical girl is through the roof, so the only way Homura could be in a position to protect her would be if Madoka wasn't a supremely-powerful magical girl yet. It's just that in her first few loops, she didn't know that was what she had to do.
8th May '16 7:55:49 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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** The extra energy from magic also increases the mass of the universe. The incubators killed two birds with one stone [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann Now all they have to do is not over do it.]]


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** The extra energy from magic also increases the mass of the universe. The incubators killed two birds with one stone [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Now all they have to do is not over do it.]]

15th Apr '16 4:59:16 AM DeadFencer
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*Why, though, does Homura go back to a few days before meeting Madoka? The wish was to meet Madoka again, so shouldn't she only be able to go back to the 25th, when Madoka was already a magical girl?
3rd Mar '16 10:55:21 AM H.N.Levian
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*** Yes and no. Kyouko has illusion magic because of what she wished for, and Kyuubey explains that because she now rejects the wish she made, she can't use her enchantment powers anymore. Indeed, we see her make a conscious effort to utilize them shortly after her family's deaths and fail. However, as we see later in The Different Story, changes in Kyoto's mindset can potentially allow her to regain that power.
1st Mar '16 11:40:20 AM PurpleAlert
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* At least in the movie version, when Homura first meets Mami and Madoka as magical girls being attacked by Isabel, the archway shows two girls on either pillar, and they are very clearly Madoka and Mami, but Mami is decapitated. This only happens in the very first timeline, before Homura gets her powers, and although Mami dies in the fight against Walpurgis, she's in one piece. It's not foreshadowing because Mami has already been dead for some time at that point, so how did Isabel know?

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* At least in the movie version, when Homura first meets Mami and Madoka as magical girls being attacked by Isabel, the archway shows two girls on either pillar, and they are very clearly Madoka and Mami, but Mami is decapitated. This only happens in the very first timeline, before Homura gets her powers, and although Mami dies in the fight against Walpurgis, she's in one piece. It's not foreshadowing because Mami has already been dead for some time at that point, so how did Isabel know?know?
* Can somebody explain why the teacher's random bitching about her love life counts as "foreshadowing"?
1st Mar '16 11:21:41 AM 9r7g5h
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*** Fuck off (person above me, not OP). People ship what they ship because of many different reasons. For the young girls who ship yuri, it's quite possible they ship it because they see themselves in the characters, and see the relationships as ones they themselves want. This troper latched onto any lesbian ship she could, even if it was just hinted at, because it made her feel normal and accepted, especially in a family/environment where she was told everything about her was wrong. Older yuri fans can easily see the potential of the ship- especially in things like the game, where they literally get married. The yuri undertones, even if they aren't put in on purpose, do exist, and to deny that they do is just ignorant. Plus, would you really sacrifice what equals 12 years of your life for someone who was just a 'friend,' and someone who you had known for less then a month (because Homura only knew Madoka for 3 weeks before everything happened. She goes back in time a full month, but she spends a week resting before she goes back to school. So 3 weeks)? The yuri is strong with Hodoka, even if it is just one sided.

As for Kyoko/Sayaka, I will agree that one is a bit more of a stretch, but the yuri is still strong in their final scene. Think about it this way: Kyoko knows that this giant, city destroying witch is coming, and her being alive to fight it would be the best thing possible. She would be saving multiple people, many of whom are people Sayaka cared about, she would get a huge reward out of it, and overall she'd be a hero. She would be honoring Sayaka by protecting the people she cared about, and personal gain would come as well. However, Kyoko decided that it was better for her to kill herself along with Sayaka, both because she didn't want to keep fighting without her and because she didn't want her to die alone. Again, for someone you've known for what, maybe just over a week, would you be willing to kill yourself just so they wouldn't have to die alone? That doesn't mean the feelings are mutual, it's more likely they're one sided, but again, to dismiss the fact that they're there is just ignorant.



*** I don't know about you, but latching onto your friend and declaring that they're not allowed to be interested in boys because "you're mine, mine mine!" crosses the LesYay line pretty quickly.




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*** Could be a case of censorship, depending on which version you watched.




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*** There's also the fact that Kyubey literally CAN'T suggest wishes. Kyubey says in the show that he works on very specific principles- he can't force anyone to make a contract, he can't lie to anyone when they ask a question (withholding information isn't technically lying, since everything he says is true), and he can't suggest a wish. Now, if Madoka had asked why he was doing what he was doing (which she does), and had then come to the conclusion of wishing away entropy herself, then that would be one thing. That would totally fall within the rules Kyubey has to follow- he didn't lie when he was asked about why he was doing this stuff, and he didn't suggest the wish. But if he was to say anything about the wish being an option, that would be breaking the rules he has to follow (what the consequences of this would be, I'm not sure, but there probably would be some, which is why he doesn't just break that rule and do it anyway).
28th Feb '16 2:10:12 AM PurpleAlert
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** She probably still ''can'', but she didn't have any real reason to in the anime timeline. Whenever we see her using her powers, she's either focused intently on a one-on-one fight against Sayaka (where multiple copies would have defeated the purpose) or dividing her attention between protecting Madoka and fighting Octavia, where multiple bodies wouldn't be as effective as her sigil-barrier-thing. It probably helps out considerably when she needs to steal stuff, though.

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** She probably still ''can'', but she didn't have any real reason to in the anime timeline. Whenever we see her using her powers, she's either focused intently on a one-on-one fight against Sayaka (where multiple copies would have defeated the purpose) or dividing her attention between protecting Madoka and fighting Octavia, where multiple bodies wouldn't be as effective as her sigil-barrier-thing. It probably helps out considerably when she needs to steal stuff, though.though.
* At least in the movie version, when Homura first meets Mami and Madoka as magical girls being attacked by Isabel, the archway shows two girls on either pillar, and they are very clearly Madoka and Mami, but Mami is decapitated. This only happens in the very first timeline, before Homura gets her powers, and although Mami dies in the fight against Walpurgis, she's in one piece. It's not foreshadowing because Mami has already been dead for some time at that point, so how did Isabel know?
21st Feb '16 12:11:18 PM goatmongoloid
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****** [[spoiler: He does not really demonstrate an ability to read minds beyond surface latent thought reading, just as any other magical girl can do when in proximity to him. He shows no sign that he knows what Homura is up to up until she shows her hand in episode 8. Had he known about Homura's plans, he most certainly would have tricked the others into killing her.
Furthermore, his manipulation of the soul gem looked like nothing more than giving her body the full sensation of pain from her injuries, whereas they normally feels very little (or nothing at all, depending on their state of mind.) ]]
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