History Headscratchers / PuellaMagiMadokaMagica

9th Feb '17 11:36:23 AM PurpleAlert
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* On a similar note, why didn't Homura leave Mitakihara city to go look for more Puella Magi to help her defeat Walpurgisnacht? I understand that its part of her character to want to do things on her own, to want to be Madoka's singular protector, but I mean- COME ON. She's gone through so many timelines,and you're telling me that she never once thought to ask for help from outside Mitakihara? And its not like in Rebellion where they weren't able to leave either. It was never stated that they couldn't leave Mitakihara city.

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** I can't remember where (I want to say it's in the concept notes somewhere, but I can't recall for sure), but it's mentioned that Walpurgisnacht has been around for a long time because no one is strong enough to defeat her, so stories of her have been passed down from magical girl to magical girl through the ages. Kyouko and Mami ''were'' friends before the start of the story, though, they just had a falling out and split up before the series proper, so she's just as valid a source as any. Even if not, Kyubey is a fine source either way: finding a girl and saying, "A gigantic witch is coming to destroy your city, but you have the potential to become a magical girl that can stand up to fight it!" is probably his idea of shooting fish in a barrel. He doesn't have to tell them they can't win, just that they can fight if they make a contract.
* On a similar note, why didn't Homura leave Mitakihara city to go look for more Puella Magi to help her defeat Walpurgisnacht? I understand that its part of her character to want to do things on her own, to want to be Madoka's singular protector, but I mean- COME ON. She's gone through so many timelines,and you're telling me that she never once thought to ask for help from outside Mitakihara? And its not like in Rebellion where they weren't able to leave either. It was never stated that they couldn't leave Mitakihara city.city.
** Who's to say she didn't? But more to the point, it wouldn't be any different. Her whole problem is that, at the start of the timeline, her friends are all complete strangers who have no reason to believe her about anything. That doesn't change if she goes looking for more magical girls for help, and she can't just ask Kyubey, because that risks tipping her hand. By the time it's obvious that Team Mitakihara isn't going to help her, she's so dead-set on the idea of saving Madoka herself that actually going out and making new friends probably never occurred to her. Her social skills have ''always'' sucked, and half the story is centered on how set she is in her ways, even when she knows they won't work.
24th Jan '17 9:58:31 AM Monsicorn
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* Can somebody explain why the teacher's random bitching about her love life counts as "foreshadowing"?

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* Can somebody explain why the teacher's random bitching about her love life counts as "foreshadowing"?"foreshadowing"?
* In Episode 10,we're shown the past timelines, in particular the one where Homura becomes Puella Magi. In the timelines afterwards, Homura is seen warning the other Puella Magi about Walpurgisnacht. This makes sense, considering that Homura got this information from Mami back in the first timeline. What doesn't make sense is how that original Mami knew about Walpurgis in the first place. Kyoko is not an possible source for two reasons: one, she isn't shown in this timeline, as Mami didn't die until the fight with Walpurgisnacht, and two, if she had been the one who told Mami, then where did Kyoko get the information from? Kyubey is not a likely option considering that he doesn't generally give out information unless specifically asked, or if the act of giving in some way benefits his end goals. In order to get information out the Incubator,one would have a question exactly as specific as the information one wishes(no pun intended) to receive. Mami would have to ask something along the lines of "Is there some super-powerful witch capable of destroying the city and possibly the world, going to appear anytime soon?" The chances of Mami(or anyone else for that matter) thinking of a question as specific as that without any prior knowledge is VERY slim.
*On a similar note, why didn't Homura leave Mitakihara city to go look for more Puella Magi to help her defeat Walpurgisnacht? I understand that its part of her character to want to do things on her own, to want to be Madoka's singular protector, but I mean- COME ON. She's gone through so many timelines,and you're telling me that she never once thought to ask for help from outside Mitakihara? And its not like in Rebellion where they weren't able to leave either. It was never stated that they couldn't leave Mitakihara city.
10th Aug '16 12:40:57 PM PurpleAlert
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**** What does FrankenFran have to do with anything? Either way, you've got it a little backwards. Kyubey ''isn't'' a protagonist, and his goals are only admirable in the sense that he's working to save his own skin and isn't ''against'' that being beneficial to others. His "rules" are formulated in exactly the right way that he can skirt them whenever he wants (He has to deal "fairly" and he isn't allowed to give strictly untrue information or suggest wishes, but he can withhold whatever information he wants and he can casually "speculate" without being obligated to share any realistic wishes that he can reasonably expect will solve the girl's problems) and he's comfortable with obliterating humanity as an acceptable loss because it gets him what he wants. We see from multiple interactions with the magical girls that he understands exactly what he's doing and why they're upset by it, he just doesn't care, and when they object, he just claims he can't comprehend what they mean. It's easy to hate Kyubey because he '''consumes the souls of children''', why is that so difficult to grasp?
8th Jun '16 9:59:18 AM Willbyr
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*** Same guy from two bullets above, what really bugs me is that Fran from ''FrankenFran'' is a real sicko, but the fans ''swear'' she can't possibly be evil because she doesn't understand human morality. Yet everyone hates Kyubey, who isn't even that bad, when he has the same thing going for him. Am I the only one who sees this as saying [[DoubleStandard that having a]] BlueAndOrangeMorality [[DoubleStandard is a perfectly fine excuse for committing horrific atrocities]] - [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality but only if you're the protagonist?]]

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*** Same guy from two bullets above, what really bugs me is that Fran from ''FrankenFran'' ''Manga/FrankenFran'' is a real sicko, but the fans ''swear'' she can't possibly be evil because she doesn't understand human morality. Yet everyone hates Kyubey, who isn't even that bad, when he has the same thing going for him. Am I the only one who sees this as saying [[DoubleStandard that having a]] BlueAndOrangeMorality [[DoubleStandard is a perfectly fine excuse for committing horrific atrocities]] - [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality but only if you're the protagonist?]]
28th May '16 8:43:19 PM PurpleAlert
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** Because of the part where she wants to be the one to protect Madoka. In a way, it's pretty brilliant: after even just one loop, Madoka's potential as a magical girl is through the roof, so the only way Homura could be in a position to protect her would be if Madoka wasn't a supremely-powerful magical girl yet. It's just that in her first few loops, she didn't know that was what she had to do.
8th May '16 7:55:49 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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** The extra energy from magic also increases the mass of the universe. The incubators killed two birds with one stone [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann Now all they have to do is not over do it.]]


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** The extra energy from magic also increases the mass of the universe. The incubators killed two birds with one stone [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Now all they have to do is not over do it.]]

15th Apr '16 4:59:16 AM DeadFencer
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*Why, though, does Homura go back to a few days before meeting Madoka? The wish was to meet Madoka again, so shouldn't she only be able to go back to the 25th, when Madoka was already a magical girl?
3rd Mar '16 10:55:21 AM H.N.Levian
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*** Yes and no. Kyouko has illusion magic because of what she wished for, and Kyuubey explains that because she now rejects the wish she made, she can't use her enchantment powers anymore. Indeed, we see her make a conscious effort to utilize them shortly after her family's deaths and fail. However, as we see later in The Different Story, changes in Kyoto's mindset can potentially allow her to regain that power.
1st Mar '16 11:40:20 AM PurpleAlert
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* At least in the movie version, when Homura first meets Mami and Madoka as magical girls being attacked by Isabel, the archway shows two girls on either pillar, and they are very clearly Madoka and Mami, but Mami is decapitated. This only happens in the very first timeline, before Homura gets her powers, and although Mami dies in the fight against Walpurgis, she's in one piece. It's not foreshadowing because Mami has already been dead for some time at that point, so how did Isabel know?

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* At least in the movie version, when Homura first meets Mami and Madoka as magical girls being attacked by Isabel, the archway shows two girls on either pillar, and they are very clearly Madoka and Mami, but Mami is decapitated. This only happens in the very first timeline, before Homura gets her powers, and although Mami dies in the fight against Walpurgis, she's in one piece. It's not foreshadowing because Mami has already been dead for some time at that point, so how did Isabel know?know?
* Can somebody explain why the teacher's random bitching about her love life counts as "foreshadowing"?
1st Mar '16 11:21:41 AM 9r7g5h
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*** Fuck off (person above me, not OP). People ship what they ship because of many different reasons. For the young girls who ship yuri, it's quite possible they ship it because they see themselves in the characters, and see the relationships as ones they themselves want. This troper latched onto any lesbian ship she could, even if it was just hinted at, because it made her feel normal and accepted, especially in a family/environment where she was told everything about her was wrong. Older yuri fans can easily see the potential of the ship- especially in things like the game, where they literally get married. The yuri undertones, even if they aren't put in on purpose, do exist, and to deny that they do is just ignorant. Plus, would you really sacrifice what equals 12 years of your life for someone who was just a 'friend,' and someone who you had known for less then a month (because Homura only knew Madoka for 3 weeks before everything happened. She goes back in time a full month, but she spends a week resting before she goes back to school. So 3 weeks)? The yuri is strong with Hodoka, even if it is just one sided.

As for Kyoko/Sayaka, I will agree that one is a bit more of a stretch, but the yuri is still strong in their final scene. Think about it this way: Kyoko knows that this giant, city destroying witch is coming, and her being alive to fight it would be the best thing possible. She would be saving multiple people, many of whom are people Sayaka cared about, she would get a huge reward out of it, and overall she'd be a hero. She would be honoring Sayaka by protecting the people she cared about, and personal gain would come as well. However, Kyoko decided that it was better for her to kill herself along with Sayaka, both because she didn't want to keep fighting without her and because she didn't want her to die alone. Again, for someone you've known for what, maybe just over a week, would you be willing to kill yourself just so they wouldn't have to die alone? That doesn't mean the feelings are mutual, it's more likely they're one sided, but again, to dismiss the fact that they're there is just ignorant.



*** I don't know about you, but latching onto your friend and declaring that they're not allowed to be interested in boys because "you're mine, mine mine!" crosses the LesYay line pretty quickly.




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*** Could be a case of censorship, depending on which version you watched.




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*** There's also the fact that Kyubey literally CAN'T suggest wishes. Kyubey says in the show that he works on very specific principles- he can't force anyone to make a contract, he can't lie to anyone when they ask a question (withholding information isn't technically lying, since everything he says is true), and he can't suggest a wish. Now, if Madoka had asked why he was doing what he was doing (which she does), and had then come to the conclusion of wishing away entropy herself, then that would be one thing. That would totally fall within the rules Kyubey has to follow- he didn't lie when he was asked about why he was doing this stuff, and he didn't suggest the wish. But if he was to say anything about the wish being an option, that would be breaking the rules he has to follow (what the consequences of this would be, I'm not sure, but there probably would be some, which is why he doesn't just break that rule and do it anyway).
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