History Headscratchers / PuellaMagiMadokaMagica

20th Nov '17 4:13:12 PM H.N.Levian
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** She let Madoka go out because she decided to trust her. You don't have to like her decision or agree with it or consider it good parenting or think it's sane, but it's what we're given by the text. As far as forgetting the things Madoka said before, well, she hasn't. The things Madoka says are ''why'' Junko is concerned by episode 11. But she doesn't have a lot to go off of. It's obvious to ''us'', the viewer, that Madoka being happy to be alive is a reference to her friend being dead, but all Junko would be able to extrapolate from that statement is that Madoka is going through some sort of existential crisis - alarming, but not necessarily related to a murder or a suicide. Similarly, Madoka and Junko have an open enough relationship that Madoka has probably gone to her about her personal problems before, so 'one of her friends is in a lot of trouble' isn't anything special, doesn't have to mean anything supernatural or illegal, and has no real reason to stick out to Junko. (Again, WE have the context to connect these two episodes-apart statements as being part of Madoka's magical girl baggage, but Junko doesn't have reason to assume they're related.) Then, when Sayaka dies, Junko has a few puzzle pieces: crying Madoka, Madoka grateful to be alive, Madoka's friend in crisis, and Sayaka dead. But all Junko would really able to suss from that is that Sayaka was involved in something dangerous that Madoka knew about, which is exactly the conclusion she comes to. But she couldn't really do anything about it that she hadn't already done.
20th Nov '17 3:57:05 PM H.N.Levian
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* Before Madoka and Sayaka go to Heaven, Madoka implies Sayaka had a choice whether or not to become a magical girl in the new universe. How does that work? Madoka just wished to erase all wishes, rather than be able to undo other girls' contracts, so why does the script imply Sayaka could have undone her wish?

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* Before Madoka and Sayaka go to Heaven, Madoka implies Sayaka had a choice whether or not to become a magical girl in the new universe. How does that work? Madoka just wished to erase all wishes, rather than be able to undo other girls' contracts, so why does the script imply Sayaka could have undone her wish?wish?
** Personally, I think that scene is less about "we could have undone your wish" and more "imagine if you hadn't made your wish." But if we do take a literal interpretation of Madoka's words, it does make sense that she would have a degree of leeway to change Sayaka's fate that she didn't have with the other girls. Notice that, unlike Mami and Kyouko who contracted long before the series, Sayaka is not a magical girl in the first two timelines this implies that the reason she starts contracting in later timelines is because of Madoka and Homura's presence or interference, intentional or not. This makes sense if you think about it: the higher Madoka's potential gets with each reset, the more Kyuubey wants her, and the more Kyuubey wants her, the more incentive he has to contract with weaker friends of Madoka's to give Madoka more of a reason to contract. In the new world, since Madoka isn't around and Homura isn't artificially boosting anyone's potential, Sayaka's fate becomes a grey area: Madoka's absence means Kyuubey has less reason to approach Sayaka, but ''if'' he was to approach her, Sayaka would still have the desire to heal Kyousuke. I don't think Madoka could just arbitrarily rewrite things as she wished she's a goddess, in a sense, but not the omnipotent kind, and she follows very specific directives but I would imagine that any events between mid-March and April 30 would have been open to some extra influencing because that month had been completely screwed up by Homura's magic and then further complicated by Madoka's paradox.
19th Nov '17 7:29:04 AM zoopyDoopy
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** All the girls get a "shape" associated with them and their Soul Gem (Madoka's teardrop, Sayaka's crescent, etc.), but if you're asking why Homura's is a diamond/rhombus, there are a variety of things it could mean. Hers is the only one of the five not to involve any sort of curvature, sticking to straight lines and angles, which fundamental sets her apart from the others. It implies her rigidity - both in the sense of her unflappability and seeming invincibility (having survived 100ish timelines), and in the sense of her inability to move on from her current state of affairs. A diamond (the gem, this time, not the shape) can symbolize strength and value accrued through pressure, which is a pretty good symbol from the strength Homura gained from all the shit she went through, as well as how Madoka became more and more special to her the more she suffered throughout the timelines. The term "diamond" evoking gemstones in the first place could also imply Homura being the closest to/knowing the most about the truth of Soul Gems and the magical girl system, although that's grasping at straws. If you wanted to stretch it even further, the lines of diamonds on her outfits work as an abstraction of her old braids.

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** All the girls get a "shape" associated with them and their Soul Gem (Madoka's teardrop, Sayaka's crescent, etc.), but if you're asking why Homura's is a diamond/rhombus, there are a variety of things it could mean. Hers is the only one of the five not to involve any sort of curvature, sticking to straight lines and angles, which fundamental sets her apart from the others. It implies her rigidity - both in the sense of her unflappability and seeming invincibility (having survived 100ish timelines), and in the sense of her inability to move on from her current state of affairs. A diamond (the gem, this time, not the shape) can symbolize strength and value accrued through pressure, which is a pretty good symbol from the strength Homura gained from all the shit she went through, as well as how Madoka became more and more special to her the more she suffered throughout the timelines. The term "diamond" evoking gemstones in the first place could also imply Homura being the closest to/knowing the most about the truth of Soul Gems and the magical girl system, although that's grasping at straws. If you wanted to stretch it even further, the lines of diamonds on her outfits work as an abstraction of her old braids.braids.
* Junko mentions in episode 11 that she feels Madoka is holding something back from her, but she hasn't come to talk to her about it. What makes this weird is that she saw Madoka break down crying in episode 3 and heard Madoka say how much better the breakfast tasted when you were alive to eat it. Then there's Madoka mentioning that 'one of her friends is in a lot of trouble' where she asked Junko for advice. And THEN Madoka's friend Sayaka dies in circumstances that are suspicious at best. Why does Junko seem to forget the things Madoka did say by episode 11? And why on Earth would she let Madoka - a 14 year old - go out into the storm in Episode 11, especially when Madoka is refusing to tell her what the situation is?
* Before Madoka and Sayaka go to Heaven, Madoka implies Sayaka had a choice whether or not to become a magical girl in the new universe. How does that work? Madoka just wished to erase all wishes, rather than be able to undo other girls' contracts, so why does the script imply Sayaka could have undone her wish?
13th Nov '17 1:50:10 PM Malady
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*** What does FrankenFran have to do with anything? Either way, you've got it a little backwards. Kyubey ''isn't'' a protagonist, and his goals are only admirable in the sense that he's working to save his own skin and isn't ''against'' that being beneficial to others. His "rules" are formulated in exactly the right way that he can skirt them whenever he wants (He has to deal "fairly" and he isn't allowed to give strictly untrue information or suggest wishes, but he can withhold whatever information he wants and he can casually "speculate" without being obligated to share any realistic wishes that he can reasonably expect will solve the girl's problems) and he's comfortable with obliterating humanity as an acceptable loss because it gets him what he wants. We see from multiple interactions with the magical girls that he understands exactly what he's doing and why they're upset by it, he just doesn't care, and when they object, he just claims he can't comprehend what they mean. It's easy to hate Kyubey because he '''consumes the souls of children''', why is that so difficult to grasp?

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*** What does FrankenFran Manga/FrankenFran have to do with anything? Either way, you've got it a little backwards. Kyubey ''isn't'' a protagonist, and his goals are only admirable in the sense that he's working to save his own skin and isn't ''against'' that being beneficial to others. His "rules" are formulated in exactly the right way that he can skirt them whenever he wants (He has to deal "fairly" and he isn't allowed to give strictly untrue information or suggest wishes, but he can withhold whatever information he wants and he can casually "speculate" without being obligated to share any realistic wishes that he can reasonably expect will solve the girl's problems) and he's comfortable with obliterating humanity as an acceptable loss because it gets him what he wants. We see from multiple interactions with the magical girls that he understands exactly what he's doing and why they're upset by it, he just doesn't care, and when they object, he just claims he can't comprehend what they mean. It's easy to hate Kyubey because he '''consumes the souls of children''', why is that so difficult to grasp?
10th Nov '17 12:13:59 AM H.N.Levian
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** But the Incubators are probably identifying candidates as girls based on gender presentation rather than their biological sex, not because they necessarily have any concept of the difference between gender and sex (though it's not ''impossible'' that they do), but because gender presentation is usually how ''humans'' try to categorize people into genders at first glance.
6th Nov '17 8:52:43 PM HermelinGraduate
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** They'd be out of luck. The Incubators probably aren't capable of understanding the concept of gender identity at all, much less the idea that gender identity and physical sex aren't necessarily the same thing. They don't contract with boys because that's what their business model demands, so it's a waste of time to comb through the young male population looking for transgirls. Given what some of the studies about post-transition life suggest, though, that's a hell of a way to get a witch: wish to become a girl in exchange for becoming a magical girl, renewing your own hope every time you transform, but at the cost of your entire old life and having to suddenly deal with the everyday misogyny that, by 14, most girls have already gotten accustomed to. It probably wouldn't happen in canon without extenuating circumstances, but that's still a killer character concept.



*** From a pragmatic standpoint, it would be wasteful. Homura uses normal firearms, so enchanting the weapon probably wouldn't have any real effect. Enchanting the ''ammunition'' might be helpful, but that would require using magic to reinforce every individual bullet/shell in advance. If I had to guess, I'd assume that she'd tried it in the past and dismissed it as inefficient when she realized that killing witches with normal weapons was faster and less damaging to her soul gem. She does use magic with that fuel truck and missile launchers, though, maybe her item
enchantment is just less flashy than the others?

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*** From a pragmatic standpoint, it would be wasteful. Homura uses normal firearms, so enchanting the weapon probably wouldn't have any real effect. Enchanting the ''ammunition'' might be helpful, but that would require using magic to reinforce every individual bullet/shell in advance. If I had to guess, I'd assume that she'd tried it in the past and dismissed it as inefficient when she realized that killing witches with normal weapons was faster and less damaging to her soul gem. She does use magic with that fuel truck and missile launchers, though, maybe her item
item enchantment is just less flashy than the others?
6th Nov '17 8:22:27 PM HermelinGraduate
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*** From a pragmatic standpoint, it would be wasteful. Homura uses normal firearms, so enchanting the weapon probably wouldn't have any real effect. Enchanting the ''ammunition'' might be helpful, but that would require using magic to reinforce every individual bullet/shell in advance. If I had to guess, I'd assume that she'd tried it in the past and dismissed it as inefficient when she realized that killing witches with normal weapons was faster and less damaging to her soul gem. She does use magic with that fuel truck and missile launchers, though, maybe her item
enchantment is just less flashy than the others?
30th Sep '17 12:54:25 PM SeptimusHeap
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** I saw the Sayaka-Kyousuke relationship as something like the Gatsby-Daisy relationship in ''TheGreatGatsby'', in that Sayaka is idealizing him since she loves him and that he's not really all that. Yes, I understand that Kyousuke just got his arm paralyzed, which breaks his dream, but he does seem to be kind of unusually self-absorbed about it, even going on to believe that Sayaka is mocking him. Realistic or not, definitely ''not'' intended to be seen as your typical LoveInterest. Kyousuke deciding not to tell Sayaka, the girl who had dutifully cared for him in the hospital, that he was released only confirmed my notion that Sayaka was pursuing someone who simply wasn't worth it.

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** I saw the Sayaka-Kyousuke relationship as something like the Gatsby-Daisy relationship in ''TheGreatGatsby'', ''Literature/TheGreatGatsby'', in that Sayaka is idealizing him since she loves him and that he's not really all that. Yes, I understand that Kyousuke just got his arm paralyzed, which breaks his dream, but he does seem to be kind of unusually self-absorbed about it, even going on to believe that Sayaka is mocking him. Realistic or not, definitely ''not'' intended to be seen as your typical LoveInterest. Kyousuke deciding not to tell Sayaka, the girl who had dutifully cared for him in the hospital, that he was released only confirmed my notion that Sayaka was pursuing someone who simply wasn't worth it.
27th Sep '17 8:08:05 AM GopherBroke
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** There are probably still limits to what she can do. She's a god in a more traditional sense common in Pre-Axial Age belief systems. While She's extremely powerful by human standards, but not truly omnipotent or omniscient. She can act as a force of nature, but can't shape the Universe entirely according to her will.

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** There are probably still limits to what she can do. She's a god in a more traditional sense common in Pre-Axial Age belief systems. While She's she's extremely powerful by human standards, but she's not truly omnipotent or omniscient. She can act as a force of nature, but can't shape the Universe entirely according to her will.



*** [[spoiler:Regarding Joan of Arc, it's possible her Soul Gem was burned up. Nobody ever said they were fireproof. In fact, they actually look rather weak to me...]]

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*** [[spoiler:Regarding Joan of Arc, it's possible her Soul Gem was burned up. Nobody ever said they were fireproof. In fact, they actually look rather weak to me...]]
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** According to WordOfGod, magical girls who ''believe'' that they've died inevitably fall into despair and become witches. Most likely, she attempted to kill herself not knowing that her soul was separate from her body, felt the effects of the venom, and became a witch.
27th Sep '17 8:01:25 AM GopherBroke
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** There are probably still limits to what she can do. She's a god in a more traditional sense common in Pre-Axial Age belief systems. While She's extremely powerful by human standards, but not truly omnipotent or omniscient. She can act as a force of nature, but can't shape the Universe entirely according to her will.
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