History Headscratchers / Portal

29th May '17 10:31:38 PM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


*** [[{{Zardoz}} The gun is good! The penis is evil!]]

to:

*** [[{{Zardoz}} [[Film/{{Zardoz}} The gun is good! The penis is evil!]]
1st Feb '17 1:04:57 PM Xtifr
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Has anyone ever noticed that, when you're going to shoot [[spoiler:the moon]], ''both'' the portals being displayed are orange? I mean, if you look to the side, the orange portal is in the roof of the Stalemate Button room, and the other portal below [[spoiler:Wheatley]] is also orange, independent if it was orange before. I know it's because [[ButThouMust you really can't miss that one shot]], but still, it's a little odd. The game designers could have made a game over screen, [[TorinsPassage Torin's Passage's ending]] style.

to:

* Has anyone ever noticed that, when you're going to shoot [[spoiler:the moon]], ''both'' the portals being displayed are orange? I mean, if you look to the side, the orange portal is in the roof of the Stalemate Button room, and the other portal below [[spoiler:Wheatley]] is also orange, independent if it was orange before. I know it's because [[ButThouMust you really can't miss that one shot]], but still, it's a little odd. The game designers could have made a game over screen, [[TorinsPassage [[VideoGame/TorinsPassage Torin's Passage's ending]] style.
10th Jan '17 7:23:13 PM Ggb81
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* The amount of overgrowth in the facility seems to imply that more than a few decades have passed. I typically side with the 300 years crowd, but there was a video where someone defended the theory that it was '''50,000''' years in the future.
2nd Jan '17 4:48:01 PM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


[[folder:GLaDOS respawning Chell]]

to:

[[folder:GLaDOS [[folder:[=GLaDOS=] respawning Chell]]



*** Oh no.... [[FridgeHorror Oh no no no]]... I just remembered: what did Glados call those cubes at first? Weighted ''storage'' cubes...!

to:

*** Oh no.... [[FridgeHorror Oh no no no]]... I just remembered: what did Glados [=GLaDOS=] call those cubes at first? Weighted ''storage'' cubes...!



* What ''I'' don't get is, just what exactly is the big deal with the Companion Cube? I didn't feel especially attached to it. It was only around for one level. I saw it as a tool to be used and I used it. When it came time to incinerate it, I didn't feel guilty or distressed in any way. Like Glados keeps reinforcing (and I agree with her), it doesn't talk and is not alive. What's the big deal? What's with the guilt trip Glados forces on you?

to:

* What ''I'' don't get is, just what exactly is the big deal with the Companion Cube? I didn't feel especially attached to it. It was only around for one level. I saw it as a tool to be used and I used it. When it came time to incinerate it, I didn't feel guilty or distressed in any way. Like Glados [=GLaDOS=] keeps reinforcing (and I agree with her), it doesn't talk and is not alive. What's the big deal? What's with the guilt trip Glados [=GLaDOS=] forces on you?



** The point is that [=GLaDOS=] thinks it's a guilt trip. Remember, you're playing a character, and that character is one of many past test subjects to have gone through that course. The psychological isolation of being alone for extended amounts of time has a well-documented effect on people and can easily drive them to dissociative symptoms, including "treating inanimate objects as alive".

to:

** The point is that [=GLaDOS=] thinks it's a guilt trip. Remember, you're playing a character, and that character is one of many past test subjects to have gone through that course. The psychological isolation of being alone for extended amounts of time has a well-documented effect on people and can easily drive them to dissociative disassociative symptoms, including "treating inanimate objects as alive".



** [[DontExplainTheJoke That's the joke.]] The idea is that GLaDOS is hilariously bad at understanding human beings, and so believes she could make you feel a deep sense of companionship with an inanimate object by just telling you it's you're friend. It's similar to how she expects to motivate you by promising cake.

to:

** [[DontExplainTheJoke That's the joke.]] The idea is that GLaDOS [=GLaDOS=] is hilariously bad at understanding human beings, and so believes she could make you feel a deep sense of companionship with an inanimate object by just telling you it's you're friend. It's similar to how she expects to motivate you by promising cake.



** Because then there would be nothing to stop Chell from just dropping the cube and walking through the field without it. And GLaDOS clearly states, "State and local statutory regulations prohibit it from simply remaining here, alone and companionless."

to:

** Because then there would be nothing to stop Chell from just dropping the cube and walking through the field without it. And GLaDOS [=GLaDOS=] clearly states, "State and local statutory regulations prohibit it from simply remaining here, alone and companionless."



** Also notice that GLADOS TELLS YOU HERSELF that the portal gun can survive the incinerator (by telling you the temperature range it works at). If we make the assumption the the morality core won't allow GLADOS to directly kill Chell, only put her in dangerous situations which have a way out, it makes perfect sense; because of the core, GLADOS had to tell you how to escape the trap she threw you into. Being a full AI though, she can loophole the programming by hiding the useful information in unrelated banter.

to:

** Also notice that GLADOS TELLS YOU HERSELF that the portal gun can survive the incinerator (by telling you the temperature range it works at). If we make the assumption the the morality core won't allow GLADOS [=GLaDOS=] to directly kill Chell, only put her in dangerous situations which have a way out, it makes perfect sense; because of the core, GLADOS [=GLaDOS=] had to tell you how to escape the trap she threw you into. Being a full AI though, she can loophole the programming by hiding the useful information in unrelated banter.



** I think if that bugs you, it's kinda your problem, not a problem with the game or the fanbase. A big part of the appeal of the game is that the minimalist setting left a lot open to player interpretation, and gamers have fun coming up with wacky theories. Maybe you're right and GlaDOS is just an insane, childish sociopath who - like a toddler - alternates between affection and hostility. Maybe [=GLaDOS=] is, in her own way, [[BatmanGambit a genius at psychological manipulation]], and getting Chell to [[spoiler: destroy the chassis and the lab in order to set them both free (or whatever twisted goal [=GLaDOS=] was trying to accomplish]] really ''was'' her plan all along. Not ''everything'' [=GLaDOS=] tells you is a lie, and when one mixes truth and falsehood like that, it becomes difficult to tell which is which. [[TakeAThirdOption Or maybe she's both]], and is both brilliant and insane (like SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker), wanting to both keep Chell around for the great fun they have while simultaneously trying to murder her and improvising new tactics when Chell goes off the rails while laughing off the obvious failure.

to:

** I think if that bugs you, it's kinda your problem, not a problem with the game or the fanbase. A big part of the appeal of the game is that the minimalist setting left a lot open to player interpretation, and gamers have fun coming up with wacky theories. Maybe you're right and GlaDOS [=GLaDOS=] is just an insane, childish sociopath who - like a toddler - alternates between affection and hostility. Maybe [=GLaDOS=] is, in her own way, [[BatmanGambit a genius at psychological manipulation]], and getting Chell to [[spoiler: destroy the chassis and the lab in order to set them both free (or whatever twisted goal [=GLaDOS=] was trying to accomplish]] really ''was'' her plan all along. Not ''everything'' [=GLaDOS=] tells you is a lie, and when one mixes truth and falsehood like that, it becomes difficult to tell which is which. [[TakeAThirdOption Or maybe she's both]], and is both brilliant and insane (like SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker), wanting to both keep Chell around for the great fun they have while simultaneously trying to murder her and improvising new tactics when Chell goes off the rails while laughing off the obvious failure.



*** [[FridgeLogic Or just kill them from shock or a heart attack]]. [[SincerityMode Was that your attempt at GLaDOS-esque humour?]]

to:

*** [[FridgeLogic Or just kill them from shock or a heart attack]]. [[SincerityMode Was that your attempt at GLaDOS-esque [=GLaDOS=]-esque humour?]]



*** Crime: Forget mere trespassing and vandalism made easy. Portal devices in the hands of smugglers could make it very hard to catch them moving contraband, and an assassin can use portals to frame someone else for murder (like ''you'' didn't [[spoiler: kill GlaDOS - technically, her rocket turret did.]]) Also obvious applications for theft, kidnapping, and anything else where a criminal wanted to get in and out quickly.

to:

*** Crime: Forget mere trespassing and vandalism made easy. Portal devices in the hands of smugglers could make it very hard to catch them moving contraband, and an assassin can use portals to frame someone else for murder (like ''you'' didn't [[spoiler: kill GlaDOS [=GLaDOS=] - technically, her rocket turret did.]]) Also obvious applications for theft, kidnapping, and anything else where a criminal wanted to get in and out quickly.



** Well, then I guess we can assume that GlaDOS moved Chell out of that room before letting her go. [[WildMassGuessing I wonder why...]].

to:

** Well, then I guess we can assume that GlaDOS [=GLaDOS=] moved Chell out of that room before letting her go. [[WildMassGuessing I wonder why...]].



* I assumed the elevaors moved on the X,Y, and Z axis, not just up and down.

to:

* I assumed the elevaors elevators moved on the X,Y, and Z axis, not just up and down.



[[folder:Hearing GLaDOS in the second half]]

to:

[[folder:Hearing GLaDOS [=GLaDOS=] in the second half]]



*** The emancipation grills actually probably dont work on personality constructs (otherwise [[spoiler:[=PotatOS=]]] would've been fizzled several times over in ''Portal 2''). It seems likely the "Emergency ''Intelligence'' Incinerators" are specifically to destroy personality constructs and [=GLaDOS=] just decided to use it for the cube.

to:

*** The emancipation grills actually probably dont don't work on personality constructs (otherwise [[spoiler:[=PotatOS=]]] would've been fizzled several times over in ''Portal 2''). It seems likely the "Emergency ''Intelligence'' Incinerators" are specifically to destroy personality constructs and [=GLaDOS=] just decided to use it for the cube.



*** Perhaps the one in [=GLaDOS=]' chamber was turned to 4,001 degrees Kelvin while the one in Testchamber 17 wasnt on at full temperature.

to:

*** Perhaps the one in [=GLaDOS=]' chamber was turned to 4,001 degrees Kelvin while the one in Testchamber 17 wasnt wasn't on at full temperature.



** Given Cave's contentious relationship with his own scientists and engineers (he's hostile with or about them every time they're mentioned) it seems like Johnson's idea of what science was wasn't exactly true to a sane person's. Cave seemed to think testing was obstacle courses all the time. It kind of makes sense given all of his messages: he's forceful, gregarious and bombastic. He can motivate test subjects even if he doesn't know a damn thing about science; not that he'd admit or even recognize that. This was the benefit and the loss for Aperture. One one hand it meant all of the disastrous results we see in the game including the creation of GLaDOS but it also created the amoral, funding-rich environment that apparently produced wonders given the things the company managed to make (if not make safe, anyhow). Whether those left by the GLaDOS days shared Cave's outlook (possible given the attrition forcing employees to test created) or if no one dared question it by then, by the time GLaDOS was programmed and had Caroline put in, the tests were pretty much the Aperture "thing".
** GLaDOS might be collecting some kind of data on them, but it's also possible she's just doing them because making tests is what she's, at the core, programmed to do. It could also be Caroline's influence. Afterall, Caroline was with Cave pretty much their entire professional lives. If she didn't share his outlook, why would Cave trust her to be his right hand and eventually take over? Just because the few pre-GLaDOS lines we hear of her make her sound chipper doesn't mean she wasn't just as unhinged as her boss.

to:

** Given Cave's contentious relationship with his own scientists and engineers (he's hostile with or about them every time they're mentioned) it seems like Johnson's idea of what science was wasn't exactly true to a sane person's. Cave seemed to think testing was obstacle courses all the time. It kind of makes sense given all of his messages: he's forceful, gregarious and bombastic. He can motivate test subjects even if he doesn't know a damn thing about science; not that he'd admit or even recognize that. This was the benefit and the loss for Aperture. One one hand it meant all of the disastrous results we see in the game including the creation of GLaDOS [=GLaDOS=] but it also created the amoral, funding-rich environment that apparently produced wonders given the things the company managed to make (if not make safe, anyhow). Whether those left by the GLaDOS [=GLaDOS=] days shared Cave's outlook (possible given the attrition forcing employees to test created) or if no one dared question it by then, by the time GLaDOS [=GLaDOS=] was programmed and had Caroline put in, the tests were pretty much the Aperture "thing".
** GLaDOS [=GLaDOS=] might be collecting some kind of data on them, but it's also possible she's just doing them because making tests is what she's, at the core, programmed to do. It could also be Caroline's influence. Afterall, Caroline was with Cave pretty much their entire professional lives. If she didn't share his outlook, why would Cave trust her to be his right hand and eventually take over? Just because the few pre-GLaDOS pre-[=GLaDOS=] lines we hear of her make her sound chipper doesn't mean she wasn't just as unhinged as her boss.



** She was clearly insane to begin with. And actually, what happens is a portal malfunction, which GLaDOS's destruction doesn't explain.

to:

** She was clearly insane to begin with. And actually, what happens is a portal malfunction, which GLaDOS's [=GLaDOS=]'s destruction doesn't explain.



** GLaDOS is being very {{Tsundere}} with that line. She DOES mean Chell, but she wouldn't state it out-right like that, and would immediately deny calling Chell her only friend.
** Or GLaDOS was talking about [[spoiler:Caroline, since she was deleted]].

to:

** GLaDOS [=GLaDOS=] is being very {{Tsundere}} with that line. She DOES mean Chell, but she wouldn't state it out-right like that, and would immediately deny calling Chell her only friend.
** Or GLaDOS [=GLaDOS=] was talking about [[spoiler:Caroline, since she was deleted]].



* Here's my thought: this entire verse is dedicated to Caroline. "Goodbye my only friend" was directed at Chell, but then Caroline thought that GLaDOS was talking to her. "Oh, did you think I meant you?" was directed towards Caroline, along with the rest of the verse up until after "If I delete you maybe I'll stop feeling so bad."

to:

* Here's my thought: this entire verse is dedicated to Caroline. "Goodbye my only friend" was directed at Chell, but then Caroline thought that GLaDOS [=GLaDOS=] was talking to her. "Oh, did you think I meant you?" was directed towards Caroline, along with the rest of the verse up until after "If I delete you maybe I'll stop feeling so bad."



* Why does GLaDOS harp so on Chell's weight?

to:

* Why does GLaDOS [=GLaDOS=] harp so on Chell's weight?



** To make her feel bad. GLaDOS is mean.
** It's worth noting that [[spoiler:Wheatley]] does it too when [[spoiler:he replaces GLaDOS]].

to:

** To make her feel bad. GLaDOS [=GLaDOS=] is mean.
** It's worth noting that [[spoiler:Wheatley]] does it too when [[spoiler:he replaces GLaDOS]].[=GLaDOS=]]].



* Why does Wheatley, a robot built by an American lab ,by American scientists, in America (where all other robots talk with either American or "robotic" accent), have a British accent and vocabulary?

to:

* Why does Wheatley, a robot built by an American lab ,by lab, by American scientists, in America (where all other robots talk with either American or "robotic" accent), have a British accent and vocabulary?



*** I know the Real Life reason,but what's the In-universe explansion
*** Because Aperture hired a british guy to voice him? It's not that uncommon if you want a varied group of voices, and they had a lot of personality spheres.

to:

*** I know the Real Life reason,but what's the In-universe explansion
explanation
*** Because Aperture hired a british British guy to voice him? It's not that uncommon if you want a varied group of voices, and they had a lot of personality spheres.



* Given the controlling AI has the ability to hugely re-arrange the upper levels of the facility, it's possible Wheatley put it near the surface and GLaDOS moved it back down while bring the facility back to relative order. It's clearly nowhere near the surface when Chell and Wheatley confront her before The Fall so that location might be where she returned it to.

to:

* Given the controlling AI has the ability to hugely re-arrange the upper levels of the facility, it's possible Wheatley put it near the surface and GLaDOS [=GLaDOS=] moved it back down while bring the facility back to relative order. It's clearly nowhere near the surface when Chell and Wheatley confront her before The Fall so that location might be where she returned it to.



* Chell shoots the moon at night and comes out at day. I think it's imply several hours had passed, enough time for GLaDOS to move the chambers for whatever reason. WMG here: GLaDOS planned the entire ending, she moved her chamber, prepared the turret opera, fished out the cube from incinerator, and placed Chell on the elevator once she awake.

to:

* Chell shoots the moon at night and comes out at day. I think it's imply several hours had passed, enough time for GLaDOS [=GLaDOS=] to move the chambers for whatever reason. WMG here: GLaDOS [=GLaDOS=] planned the entire ending, she moved her chamber, prepared the turret opera, fished out the cube from incinerator, and placed Chell on the elevator once she awake.



** Plus the fact that the Name "Bad Decision Core" would have been to much of a giveaway to GLaDOS. Would you rather listen to someone calles Wheatley or "Bad Decision Guy" when he suggests a plan, given that it doesn't sound horrible right from the start (Most of Wheatleys Plans are like this after all).

to:

** Plus the fact that the Name "Bad Decision Core" would have been to much of a giveaway to GLaDOS.[=GLaDOS=]. Would you rather listen to someone calles Wheatley or "Bad Decision Guy" when he suggests a plan, given that it doesn't sound horrible right from the start (Most of Wheatleys Plans are like this after all).



** He's not dumb. He just makes exceptionally horrible decisions. The decision to use neurotoxin instead of something more fast acting, like the acid floating around in the chambers, fire, or even turrets (like Glados first tried to use), was probably one of his bad ones.
** This Troper is not 100% sure but thinks that Wheatly mentioned after destroying the Neurotoxin tank, that GLaDOS could rebuild it, given enough time and Wheatley had quite a few hours to do so. He is, as stated above, not dumb but bad at decisions. His plan on how to make Glados harmless and defeat her, worked pretty good after all, it was the outcome of the Plan. Wheatley beeing in Control of everything was the horrible part of it.

to:

** He's not dumb. He just makes exceptionally horrible decisions. The decision to use neurotoxin instead of something more fast acting, like the acid floating around in the chambers, fire, or even turrets (like Glados [=GLaDOS=] first tried to use), was probably one of his bad ones.
** This Troper is not 100% sure but thinks that Wheatly mentioned after destroying the Neurotoxin tank, that GLaDOS [=GLaDOS=] could rebuild it, given enough time and Wheatley had quite a few hours to do so. He is, as stated above, not dumb but bad at decisions. His plan on how to make Glados [=GLaDOS=] harmless and defeat her, worked pretty good after all, it was the outcome of the Plan. Wheatley beeing in Control of everything was the horrible part of it.
18th Oct '16 4:41:12 PM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


-->[[FreemansMind Freeman]]: ''That means there's '''NO POINT TO THIS WHOLE ROOM!''' ''

to:

-->[[FreemansMind -->[[Machinima/FreemansMind Freeman]]: ''That means there's '''NO POINT TO THIS WHOLE ROOM!''' ''
27th Sep '16 3:00:07 AM readrunners
Is there an issue? Send a Message


*** Becuase she just saw a Test Subject defeating another A.I using the MOON? I think getting the place as far from the surfaceas she can is a pretty good idea

to:

*** Becuase Because she just saw a Test Subject defeating another A.I using the MOON? I think getting the place as far from the surfaceas surface as she can is a pretty good idea
* Chell shoots the moon at night and comes out at day. I think it's imply several hours had passed, enough time for GLaDOS to move the chambers for whatever reason. WMG here: GLaDOS planned the entire ending, she moved her chamber, prepared the turret opera, fished out the cube from incinerator, and placed Chell on the elevator once she awake.
15th Aug '16 9:41:51 AM wusch
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** Plus the fact that the Name "Bad Decision Core" would have been to much of a giveaway to GLaDOS. Would you rather listen to someone calles Wheatley or "Bad Decision Guy" when he suggests a plan, given that it doesn't sound horrible right from the start (Most of Wheatleys Plans are like this after all).


Added DiffLines:

** This Troper is not 100% sure but thinks that Wheatly mentioned after destroying the Neurotoxin tank, that GLaDOS could rebuild it, given enough time and Wheatley had quite a few hours to do so. He is, as stated above, not dumb but bad at decisions. His plan on how to make Glados harmless and defeat her, worked pretty good after all, it was the outcome of the Plan. Wheatley beeing in Control of everything was the horrible part of it.
2nd Jun '16 3:34:25 AM MedicInDisquise
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

**He's not dumb. He just makes exceptionally horrible decisions. The decision to use neurotoxin instead of something more fast acting, like the acid floating around in the chambers, fire, or even turrets (like Glados first tried to use), was probably one of his bad ones.
30th May '16 1:35:12 PM ZangotheChua
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** One of the Aperture manuals from the tie-in website says that testing officers should use insults to motivate subjects they don't feel are working effectively. It specifically cites making jabs about weight as a good motivator for female subjects. This is the same document that says orphans make good test subjects because if you hammer them about not having parents they believe the subject will become eager to please you.


Added DiffLines:

* Given his job was to annoy her with an endless string of bad ideas, maybe they just wanted to give him a good, distinct accent so he wouldn't blend in with the other ones in her ear.


Added DiffLines:

*Given the controlling AI has the ability to hugely re-arrange the upper levels of the facility, it's possible Wheatley put it near the surface and GLaDOS moved it back down while bring the facility back to relative order. It's clearly nowhere near the surface when Chell and Wheatley confront her before The Fall so that location might be where she returned it to.
30th May '16 11:19:24 AM ZangotheChua
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** Given Cave's contentious relationship with his own scientists and engineers (he's hostile with or about them every time they're mentioned) it seems like Johnson's idea of what science was wasn't exactly true to a sane person's. Cave seemed to think testing was obstacle courses all the time. It kind of makes sense given all of his messages: he's forceful, gregarious and bombastic. He can motivate test subjects even if he doesn't know a damn thing about science; not that he'd admit or even recognize that. This was the benefit and the loss for Aperture. One one hand it meant all of the disastrous results we see in the game including the creation of GLaDOS but it also created the amoral, funding-rich environment that apparently produced wonders given the things the company managed to make (if not make safe, anyhow). Whether those left by the GLaDOS days shared Cave's outlook (possible given the attrition forcing employees to test created) or if no one dared question it by then, by the time GLaDOS was programmed and had Caroline put in, the tests were pretty much the Aperture "thing".
** GLaDOS might be collecting some kind of data on them, but it's also possible she's just doing them because making tests is what she's, at the core, programmed to do. It could also be Caroline's influence. Afterall, Caroline was with Cave pretty much their entire professional lives. If she didn't share his outlook, why would Cave trust her to be his right hand and eventually take over? Just because the few pre-GLaDOS lines we hear of her make her sound chipper doesn't mean she wasn't just as unhinged as her boss.
This list shows the last 10 events of 758. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Headscratchers.Portal