History Headscratchers / PokemonColosseum

25th Mar '15 6:23:37 PM mysterykcad
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*** [[FridgeLogic But having to go through the extra dialogue with the nurse actually takes longer...]]


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*** I always figured the reason Trudly and Folly went to Phenac was that Cipher was about to make a move to gain [[spoiler: overt]] control of the city. After all, it's one of it's one of the few places that has gone relatively untouched by the organization. It's just their bad luck that Wes showed up and foiled what should have been an easy foothold.
21st Mar '15 4:54:24 PM Megacles
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*** Practice keeping a low-level Pokémon in action, so you'll be ready when you get Plusle?

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*** Practice keeping a low-level Pokémon in action, so you'll be ready when you get Plusle?Plusle?
** So you can learn Octillery's unique move Octazooka when it evolves at level 25?
29th Sep '14 9:11:39 PM rjd1922
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** There IS a member of Cipher who has a hideout in Phenac. [[spoiler: Evice.]] Notice that when you first reach Phenac, Bluno, Verde, Ros, [[spoiler: Nascour and Evice]] are all present. Presumably one of them (likely one of the color trio) was supposed to collect Rui from Folly and Trudly and take her elsewhere (Ein's lab, if I had a guess). After all, they are NOT high enough rank to know where that is.

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** There IS a member of Cipher who has a hideout in Phenac. [[spoiler: Evice.]] Notice that when you first reach Phenac, Bluno, Verde, Ros, Rosso, [[spoiler: Nascour and Evice]] are all present. Presumably Presumably, one of them (likely one of the color trio) was supposed to collect Rui from Folly and Trudly and take her elsewhere (Ein's lab, if I had a guess). After all, they are NOT high enough rank to know where that is.
17th Sep '14 9:38:19 AM rjd1922
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*** Also, [[GameplayAndStorySegregation Gameplay And Story Segregation]] explains away this whole problem. The story is that Shadow Pokémon will attack anything, even people. I imagine that that would be fairly difficult to deal with in-game, and was left out to keep people from whining about it being too realistic.

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*** Also, [[GameplayAndStorySegregation Gameplay And Story Segregation]] GameplayAndStorySegregation explains away this whole problem. The story is that Shadow Pokémon will attack anything, even people. I imagine that that would be fairly difficult to deal with in-game, and was left out to keep people from whining about it being too realistic.



** About the Pokéball thing, most of the people are given their Shadow Pokémon by Cipher, meaning Cipher probably gave them the Pokéball it was contained in, and when you Snag them, it transfers them to a fresh one. It's totally possible that Team Cipher tampered with the Pokéballs to do as mentioned before.

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** About the Pokéball Poké Ball thing, most of the people are given their Shadow Pokémon by Cipher, meaning Cipher probably gave them the Pokéball Poké Ball it was contained in, and when you Snag them, it transfers them to a fresh one. It's totally possible that Team Cipher tampered with the Pokéballs Poké Balls to do as mentioned before.



** Wes is so unbelievably Badass that the Trainers he fights are left in awe, so they are unable to remember that Wes took their Pokémon at all.

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** Wes is so unbelievably Badass {{Badass}} that the Trainers he fights are left in awe, so they are unable to remember that Wes took their Pokémon at all.



** They hit super effective against all types, so in theory the only reliable defense against a shadow Pokémon is another shadow Pokémon. You just beat them easily enough in game because they still aren't any better than the common trainers you always beat.

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** They hit super effective against all types, so in theory the only reliable defense against a shadow Shadow Pokémon is another shadow Shadow Pokémon. You just beat them easily enough in game because they still aren't any better than the common trainers you always beat.



* Rui doesn't let you snag non-Shadow Pokemon. Okay, it would make sense if Wes was a greedy and bad person, but what if you want to [[VideoGameCaringPotential confisciate Pokemon from trainers, which abuse their Pokemon]]? Also wouldn't it be reasonable to snag pokemon from Cipher, in order to prevent them becoming Shadow Pokemon in the first place?

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* Rui doesn't let you snag non-Shadow Pokemon. Pokémon. Okay, it would make sense if Wes was a greedy and bad person, but what if you want to [[VideoGameCaringPotential confisciate Pokemon from trainers, which abuse their Pokemon]]? Also wouldn't it be reasonable to snag pokemon Pokémon from Cipher, in order to prevent them becoming Shadow Pokemon Pokémon in the first place?



*** > Doesn't explain the Pokéspots.

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*** > Doesn't explain the Pokéspots.Poké Spots.



* So why is it that pretty much every shadow Pokémon you snag starts with a full shadow bar? I mean, if you're getting them from Cipher agents, sure, but do we assume that the random guys off the street never even bothered to take care of their Pokémon? Because really, that's all it takes to start reducing the bar.

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* So why is it that pretty much every shadow Shadow Pokémon you snag starts with a full shadow bar? I mean, if you're getting them from Cipher agents, sure, but do we assume that the random guys off the street never even bothered to take care of their Pokémon? Because really, that's all it takes to start reducing the bar.



** Based on the Outskirt Stand clerk's dialogue and fluff text elsewhere, I kind of get the impression that Orre had wild Franchise/{{Pokemon}} a long time ago (but they all died out/were driven out), during which period they sold Pokéballs. By that logic, the initial batch from the Outskirt Stand is leftover stock from that period, and the clerk orders more later since he has a buyer for them.

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** Based on the Outskirt Stand clerk's dialogue and fluff text elsewhere, I kind of get the impression that Orre had wild Franchise/{{Pokemon}} Pokémon a long time ago (but they all died out/were driven out), during which period they sold Pokéballs.Poké Balls. By that logic, the initial batch from the Outskirt Stand is leftover stock from that period, and the clerk orders more later since he has a buyer for them.



** Considering the use of said healing machines is free, in every region so far, the question is why '''wouldn't''' you have a pretty nurse there to take a trainer's Pokemon and heal them with a smile? Since it's all probably paid for by local leagues. Orre being the odd one out, really has no need of nurses.

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** Considering the use of said healing machines is free, in every region so far, the question is why '''wouldn't''' you have a pretty nurse there to take a trainer's Pokemon Pokémon and heal them with a smile? Since it's all probably paid for by local leagues. Orre being the odd one out, really has no need of nurses.



* So why the Shadow Remoraid that is more than 10 levels lower than the other Shadow Pokemon in the area?

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* So why the Shadow Remoraid that is more than 10 levels lower than the other Shadow Pokemon Pokémon in the area?



*** Practice keeping a low-level pokemon in action, so you'll be ready when you get Plusle?

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*** Practice keeping a low-level pokemon Pokémon in action, so you'll be ready when you get Plusle?
17th Aug '14 4:48:25 PM rjd1922
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* It personally just bugs this troper that so many people consider Shadow Pokémon to be the spawn of Satan. I mean, seriously, they're controllable and they don't attack your Pokémon. They listen to their trainer when they go into Hyper mode, a mode that is explicitly stated to be an emotional high. Their attacks still only faint an opposing Pokémon, even if you use a Shadow move. They relax when you give them a massage. They clearly respond to affection by reopening their heart. They're not soulless, nor are they bloodthirsty maniacs. Hell, the worst we actually see is a Makuhita punching (well, it's implied anyways) a human (although, admittedly, I've only played Colosseum. Maybe XD changed things).

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* It personally just bugs this troper that so many people consider Shadow Pokémon to be the spawn of Satan. I mean, seriously, they're controllable and they don't attack your Pokémon. They listen to their trainer when they go into Hyper mode, Mode, a mode that is explicitly stated to be an emotional high. Their attacks still only faint an opposing Pokémon, even if you use a Shadow move. They relax when you give them a massage. They clearly respond to affection by reopening their heart. They're not soulless, nor are they bloodthirsty maniacs. Hell, the worst we actually see is a Makuhita punching (well, it's implied anyways) a human (although, admittedly, I've only played Colosseum. Maybe XD changed things).



** Okay, so you're saying XD explained most of this stuff. Grand. Also, last time I checked, Pokéballs (except for the anime only dark balls) contained no slave programming whatsoever. The Pokémon you catch listen to you because you proved to them that you were stronger than them in a battle, and they will listen to you so they can become stronger as well. Finally, this doesn't answer my JBM at all, because it seems that even though XD explained things a bit more, there still seems to be no basis to Shadow Pokémon being portrayed as absolutely evil Pokémon.

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** Okay, so you're saying XD explained most of this stuff. Grand. Also, last time I checked, Pokéballs Poké Balls (except for the anime only dark balls) anime-only Dark Balls) contained no slave programming whatsoever. The Pokémon you catch listen to you because you proved to them that you were stronger than them in a battle, and they will listen to you so they can become stronger as well. Finally, this doesn't answer my JBM at all, because it seems that even though XD explained things a bit more, there still seems to be no basis to Shadow Pokémon being portrayed as absolutely evil Pokémon.



*** It wasn't entirely left out. Attacking the trainers is part of their AIRoulette for when you tell a Shadow Pokémon in Hyper mode to use a non-shadow move. (So yeah, not something you're likely to see.)

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*** It wasn't entirely left out. Attacking the trainers is part of their AIRoulette for when you tell a Shadow Pokémon in Hyper mode Mode to use a non-shadow move. (So yeah, not something you're likely to see.)
15th Apr '14 10:04:57 PM Composer
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**** It's due to the state of the Pokémon; not the Poké Balls they're in.

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**** *** It's due to the state of the Pokémon; not the Poké Balls they're in.



*** Shadow Togepi; that pretty much serves as indubitable evidence that regardless of the Poké Ball, they're still Shadow Pokémon, and upon getting a new Trainer, they have to start all over developing their hearts.

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*** Shadow Togepi; that pretty much serves as indubitable evidence that regardless of the Poké Ball, they're still Shadow Pokémon, and upon getting a new Trainer, they have to start all over developing in unlocking their hearts.


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*** The Outskirt Stand was the only location at which anyone could buy Poké Balls in Colosseum, and, even then, they claimed they hadn't had anyone to whom to sell them in quite a while.


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*** He's 10.
15th Apr '14 9:57:16 PM Composer
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*** Shadow Togepi.
**** Essentially serves as evidence that regardless of the Poké Ball, they're still Shadow Pokémon, and upon getting a new Trainer, they have to start all over developing their hearts.

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*** Shadow Togepi.
**** Essentially
Togepi; that pretty much serves as indubitable evidence that regardless of the Poké Ball, they're still Shadow Pokémon, and upon getting a new Trainer, they have to start all over developing their hearts.
15th Apr '14 9:53:54 PM Composer
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**** It's due to the state of the Pokémon; not the Poké Balls they're in.


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*** Shadow Togepi.
**** Essentially serves as evidence that regardless of the Poké Ball, they're still Shadow Pokémon, and upon getting a new Trainer, they have to start all over developing their hearts.
2nd Apr '14 12:56:17 PM DeathVoid
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* Rui doesn't let you snag non-Shadow Pokemon. Okay, it would make sense if Wes was a greedy and bad person, but what if you want to [[VideoGameCaringPotential confisciate Pokemon from trainers, which abuse their Pokemon]]? Also wouldn't it be reasonable to snag pokemon from Cipher, in order to prevent them becoming Shadow Pokemon in the first place?
27th Feb '14 8:31:44 AM Mysterion
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** The developers gave Reath a Remoraid to match Ferma's Mantine. Since Remoraid evolves at level 25 and Octillery doesn't have the association with Mantine that it's pre-evolution does, they couldn't make it level 30. Not the best explanation as Makuhita evolves at level 24 and is still caught at level 30, but it's the best I've got.

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** The developers gave Reath a Remoraid to match Ferma's Mantine. Since Remoraid evolves at level 25 and Octillery doesn't have the association with Mantine that it's pre-evolution does, they couldn't make it level 30. Not the best explanation as Makuhita evolves at level 24 and is still caught at level 30, but it's the best I've got.got.
*** Practice keeping a low-level pokemon in action, so you'll be ready when you get Plusle?
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