History Headscratchers / PokemonBlack2AndWhite2

* So it turns out that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgpYidVT65w Ghetsis' "murder" scene is indeed censored, and he indeed decides to freeze the protagonist instead of killing them]]. But not only that, he also says "so you can watch my glorious ascent". It's almost as if someone's making an ostentatious POINT that he isn't killing you (just saying "I'll freeze you solid right here and let you be" would have been way better IMO). Someone at [=TPCi=] ''really'' [[http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/414357-dolan hates the PeripheryDemographic]], considering that they can get away with stuff like "kill" and "die" in stuff like friggin' '''''WesternAnimation/{{MADAGASCAR}}'''''. Why would they not only censor the scene (as expected) but play NeverSayDie as straight as possible, to the extent that they drive it into your head that Ghetsis is absolutely not murdering you?
** 1) How do you even know that they actually censored it? Is anyone here who speaks Japanese able to confirm that the original version really does say "kill"? 2) Ghetsis was a psychopath. By saying that you can "watch his ascent" while frozen, he's probably just gloating over the fact that you'll be frozen and dead and unable to stop him. 3) As the other comment on the video points out, you should be able to assume that it's lethal anyway. I mean, it's not like getting impaled by giant icicles from every direction is an easy thing to survive.
*** (OP) It's possible that either they were going for the FridgeHorror of being frozen alive (thus allowing them to do the censorship equivalent of a {{Woolseyism}}), or they were just implying that you'd be frozen in the same (relatively minor) way that Pokémon are frozen during battle. Maybe a bit of both (so little kids assume you'll be frozen like a Pokémon, while older fans can deal with the FridgeHorror).
** Yeah, I didn't think censorship - I thought "...they made him ''worse''."
** [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350636860A84880100&page=53#1313 According to a Japanese speaking troper on the forums]], there was no censorship in the first place. Ghetsis always said that he was going to freeze you. The fandom was just making assumptions based on what they saw, and didn't couldn't take the dialogue into account.
*** Technically, he originally said "you will BE frozen", not "I will freeze you!". It's pretty clear the attack was meant to freeze the PC ''to death.''
** That begs the question of how he plans to freeze you with [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice sharp icicle spears...]]
*** Maybe he intended to freeze them... [[{{Pun}} dead in their tracks]].
*** Maybe the icicles just REPRESENTED the icy weather.
*** Ghetsis ordered Kyurem to use its signature move, Glaciate. Watch the in-battle animation for Glaciate: it has the same spinning chunks of ice, but they don't actually impact the target.
*** But they also don't retract and rush toward the target, nor are they shaped like sharp, pointed icicles in the battle animation.
*** Rule of Scary?
*** Is that a Trope?
*** No, but there should be. Or just plain NightmareFuel.
*** Well, if we're pointing out how the animation for the attack is different in the overworld, [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Hyper Beam doesn't have the user run forward and bump into the target.]] Chalk it up to different people handling the animations between overworld and in-battle.

** Yes, imported. There was that transporter accident that started releasing foreign Pokemon in small numbers in the postgame, particularly in the postgame parts of the map, in Black and White. Like most invasive species, they evidently bred in large numbers due to lack of predators/parasites.
** Also some Pokemon like Eevee and Riolu have never been "native" anywhere, only appearing under wild under very limited conditions and usually being received as gifts, suggesting they could actually be native to Unova in the first place.

** Also, back in Gold and Silver, the option to trade between those games and the first generation was called the Time Capsule. Thus, time travel has been accessible to humans in a rudimentary form since Generation 2, and likely has only been improved since then. In this way, an enterprising division of the Pokemon League would be able to access Giovanni for battle before he went blue-screen.

** Well, no one necessarily *has* to lead the White Plasmas. They might all just be ex-members who make individualized efforts to [[TheAtoner atone]]/improve the relationship between people and Pokemon. It is likely, however, that if the Sages still have some presence among them, that they would be the "leaders"; we can pretty much rule out N as the leader though, because he has been absent this whole time and only returned because his dragon alerted him to Kyurem's suffering, and because Sage Rood (who looks to have brought together at least some of the old "White" Plasma members, including Anthea and Concordia) tells the player that nobody has seen N since the castle incident.

** ADayInTheLimelight. Also, it's a decently strong Normal type and probably a designer was simply a fan of the Pokemon. It was never based around being a super rare Pokemon though, not since the GSC era.

*** A Grunt used Sleep Powder directly on the player in XD, and if I remember correctly, the BigBad of XD also made physical threats against the player at the end of the game after his defeat, but nobody else has ever directly attempted [[spoiler: murder]]. (although it's indicated that several sailors DID die when Cipher had XD001/Shadow Lugia pick the SS Libra up out of the water. However, they weren't specifically trying to kill anyone, it was just collateral damage.) Moreover, they don't need to worry. While the ''Pokemon'' franchise has never gone there, the E label has tons of games with violence on that level in it. ESRB ratings do have a little bit of wiggle room on them: for instance, a quick scan of some games I own confirm the loaded with ParentalBonus humor, ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiBowsersInsideStory'', is only an E, while even games with a lot of focus on conflict and death, like ''VideoGame/GoldenSunDarkDawn'' and ''VideoGame/StarFox'' 3DS have gotten E10s. Even the ''extremely'' bleak ''[[VideoGame/NintendoWars Advance Wars: Days Of Ruin]]'' only got an E10. One scene probably won't be enough to raise the rating from an E, especially in light of the ''Mystery Dungeon'' series, as well as the player being able to [[spoiler: die in timed missions in two of the ''Ranger'' games.]]

* For the Pokestar Studio movie series Giant Woman, Monica is your girlfriend if you are playing as Nate. I don't think they ever mention Nate's and Rosa's ages, but I assume they are probably 14 like Hilda and Hilbert were in Black and White. Monica seems to be in her early 20s. The age difference between Nate's character and Monica is jarring especially if Nate as an actor is under 18 so why didn't they also make Monica Nate's sister in the movies just like she would be if you are playing as Rosa? Even if Nate is playing an adult character in the Giant Woman movies, he doesn't look to be adult passing.

*** Maybe he intended to freeze them... [[IncrediblyLamePun dead in their tracks]].

** [[ElementalRockPaperScissors Type charts.]] My lead the first time I played this section was a Flygon. Sure, the second time I fought it, I led with a Weavile, but if the game really implemented this, there would be Pokemon we'd honestly question using as options. And there would be [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters over 649 models to pick from, if they weren't already made.]]

* After you beat Cheren, Bianca meets with you to give the TM for Return. Afterwards, Cheren steps out of the Gym to say hello to Bianca and to say it's been two years, which suggests they haven't seen each other since then. They're close friends, aren't they? Have they not talked to each other in two years?

*** It's ''definitely'' N's opinion on the matter. Him holding that opinion is why he has white knight uniform Team Plasma still up and running: they want to improve human-Pokemon relationships to a point where one day there'll be no need for Pokeballs since Pokemon and humans could naturally trust one another enough. That's something I find so great about the character: they allow him to have an opinion that doesn't agree with the majority of in-universe characters and might not agree with players, but still treat it like a valid view. Having the belief that Poke Balls are oppressive and restrictive towards Pokemon itself was never a bad thing: what was portrayed as wrong was N and Team Plasma's actions of trying to ''force'' their way of thinking on to ''everyone else'', which is not how the world should work. The sequel shows the result of CharacterDevelopment from N and the remaining Plasma members. N says "I still don't like the idea of Pokemon being cooped up in those balls, but I'll let you do it if that's what you prefer", and Team Plasma ditch their extremist ways and are now fighting for Pokemon's rights in a more civilized, negotiable way. [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped After all, acceptance, not rejection, of differing beliefs is what creates a chemical reaction and formula for changing the world.]]

** It's just GameplayAndStorySegregation, probably.

* So it turns out that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgpYidVT65w Ghetsis' "murder" scene is indeed censored, and he indeed decides to freeze the protagonist instead of killing them]]. But not only that, he also says "so you can watch my glorious ascent". It's almost as if someone's making an ostentatious POINT that he isn't killing you (just saying "I'll freeze you solid right here and let you be" would have been way better IMO). Someone at [=TPCi=] ''really'' [[http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/414357-dolan hates the PeripheryDemographic]], considering that they can get away with stuff like "kill" and "die" in stuff like friggin' '''''WesternAnimation/{{MADAGASCAR}}'''''. Why would they not only censor the scene (as expected) but play NeverSayDie as straight as possible, to the extent that they drive it into your head that [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar Ghetsis is absolutely not murdering you]]?

** Why are you even complaining?

** [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming Because he cares for them and could not part with them.]]

* [[TheUnfought How come we only get to fight two sages?]] [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse Where the hell are they, anyway?]] If Rood and Zinzolin are out of jail after two years, shouldn't the other sages be to (Zinzolin might have broken out, but Rood's new characterization would suggest that he probably wouldn't do that)?

*** I always had this theory that the rival named his starter after a pokemon he thought it was going to be, just because he wanted it to be that pokemon.
-->'''Nate: You've always talked about your Tepig, Hugh, but, now that I have my Oshawott, we'll battle and I'll finally see your pokemon!'''

** Ghetsis leads the Neo Plasmas, but mentions that he made [[spoiler: Colress]] the leader of Plasma's scientific plans. Zinzolin is TheDragon to both. For the Old Plasmas, N is the official leader, but since he is gone Rood is doing most of the coordinating.

** Perhaps Unova's predators aren't as interested in Dunsparce as those of the other regions, so it's had time to flourish in the time between BW and BW2.

** She seems to have gone from 10-12 to 12-14. 2 years isn't a huge difference at those ages anyways

*** Why shouldn't it be canon? It could just be that, in the time between HGSS and BW2, Giovanni changed his mind and returned to his Gym, thus restoring Blue's Champion status. Koga doesn't appear simply because he's part of the Kanto Elite Four and no trainer from the Elite Four battles in the PWT. As for Red, well, he's there because he's the freaking Champion of Kanto along with Blue. If that sounds weird remember that Hoenn, too, has two Champions, Wallace and Steven.

*** Maybe it's a screw-up with BW2's code. I mean, Cursed Body works on all attack moves randomly, even though it's only supposed to be on Direct Attacks with a 100% success rate like Rough Skin, unless another move is disabled at that time.

* Apparently after you defeat Lance, he says ""But it's an odd feeling. I'm not angry that I lost. In fact, I feel happy. Happy that I witnessed the rise of a great new Champion!". [[WelcomeToCorneria Wait, Lance, what? What Champion? It's not Johto League. Did you had a visit in Corneria, or what?]]

* Why is it that Nate/Rosa are able to "see" events they weren't present for when we use Memory Link? Of course in the meta sense it's because showing us players the cutscenes is a lot simpler and more effective than having an NPC just talk about a thing, but what's the in-game explanation?

*** A Grunt used Sleep Powder directly on the player in XD, and if I remember correctly, the BigBad of XD also made physical threats against the player at the end of the game after his defeat, but nobody else has ever directly attempted [[spoiler: murder]]. (although it's indicated that several sailors DID die when Cipher had XD001/Shadow Lugia pick the SS Libra up out of the water. However, they weren't specifically trying to kill anyone, it was just collateral damage.) Moreover, they don't need to worry. While the ''Pokemon'' franchise has never gone there, the E label has tons of games with violence on that level in it. ESRB ratings do have a little bit of wiggle room on them: for instance, a quick scan of some games I own confirm the loaded with ParentalBonus humor, ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiBowsersInsideStory'', is only an E, while even games with a lot of focus on conflict and death, like ''VideoGame/GoldenSunDarkDawn'' and ''StarFox'' 3DS have gotten E10s. Even the ''extremely'' bleak ''[[VideoGame/NintendoWars Advance Wars: Days Of Ruin]]'' only got an E10. One scene probably won't be enough to raise the rating from an E, especially in light of the ''Mystery Dungeon'' series, as well as the player being able to [[spoiler: die in timed missions in two of the ''Ranger'' games.]]