History Headscratchers / PlanetOfTheApes

8th Dec '16 1:30:42 AM Morgenthaler
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** Remember, ''TheWildBunch'' had just come out the previous year. Ending the movie with a BadAss but ultimately pointless bloodbath was a recurring theme during that period in film.

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** Remember, ''TheWildBunch'' had just come out the previous year. Ending the movie with a BadAss badass but ultimately pointless bloodbath was a recurring theme during that period in film.
4th Nov '16 8:35:34 PM LBHills
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*** Human speak is not itself an evolutionary trait. The only evolutionary aspect of it is having a mind capable to relate specific sounds or symbols with concepts, reproduce them to convey the concepts in context-related circumstances, and develop as a society an unified code for all this. Vocal folds help, but if we had a brain and lacked them, language may have taken another form. Or not. A common mistake is to think of evolution in a deterministic way, as if intelligence ''had'' to lead to civilization, because in our case it did so. Whales and Dolphins are even more intelligent than humans and there is no whale civilization, humans left in the wild for generations may stay as savage animals and never recreate civilized traits again.

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*** Human speak speech is not itself an evolutionary trait. The only evolutionary aspect of it is having a mind capable to relate specific sounds or symbols with concepts, reproduce them to convey the concepts in context-related circumstances, and develop as a society an unified code for all this. Vocal folds help, but if we had a brain and lacked them, language may have taken another form. Or not. A common mistake is to think of evolution in a deterministic way, as if intelligence ''had'' to lead to civilization, because in our case it did so. Whales and Dolphins are even more intelligent than humans and there is no whale civilization, humans left in the wild for generations may stay as savage animals and never recreate civilized traits again.



** No bonobos either (the few corpses in European hands when this movie came out were in boxes labeled 'immature chimpanzee'), and the most widespread great ape (humans) are implicitly excluded, so it should be called Planet of Some of the Great Apes (But Not Necessarily All of Them).

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** No bonobos either (the few corpses in European hands when this movie came out were in boxes labeled 'immature chimpanzee'), and the most widespread great ape (humans) are implicitly excluded, so WE only get to see a small part of North America. If it should be makes you feel better, write a fanfic called Planet of Some 'Southern Hemisphere of the Great Apes (But Not Necessarily All of Them).Gibbons'.



*** Maybe the story of Aldo was just a story, and interpreted as such. Like "A long time ago, there was a magical kingdom of talking humans, and these talking humans kept apes as pets and enslaved them, much like what we do with humans today. Then one day an ape named Aldo said 'No.' " It's only when Cornelius meets Taylor and goes back in time does he realize the story of Aldo was based on actual events. In the case of the orangatans, it is clear that they knew all about the true history, and were working to keep it secret, and so any evidence of humans talking is considered blasphemous. Gorillas of course, don't need to think about these things, and so it's easy for them to believe that all humans are dumb and have always been dumb.

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*** Maybe the story of Aldo was just a story, and interpreted as such. Like "A long time ago, there was a magical kingdom of talking humans, and these talking humans kept apes as pets and enslaved them, much like what we do with humans today. Then one day an ape named Aldo said 'No.' " It's only when Cornelius meets Taylor and goes back in time does he realize the story of Aldo was based on actual events. In the case of the orangatans, orangutans, it is clear that they knew all about the true history, and were working to keep it secret, and so any evidence of humans talking is considered blasphemous. Gorillas of course, don't need to think about these things, and so it's easy for them to believe that all humans are dumb and have always been dumb.



** The coast changed during the millenia, the statue (semi)collapsed and the remainder was buried in new sediment. This is not that strange: there are many cities in the Mediterranean that had ports in Roman times or before, and now are landlocked.

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** The coast changed during the millenia, millennia, the statue (semi)collapsed and the remainder was buried in new sediment. This is not that strange: there are many cities in the Mediterranean that had ports in Roman times or before, and now are landlocked.



** Funny thing about relativistic acceleration: it produces a one-way event horizon behind you. If you accelerate at 1 g away from Earth space, after one year you will no longer be able to ever receive signals from Earth (until you stop accelerating away from Earth), but Earth will still be able to receive signals from you, albeit greatly redshifted. It is, of course, possible to redshift a signal so great that our receivers can't detect it. Evidently, the President was surprised that the ship hadn't checked in in two years.

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** Funny thing about relativistic acceleration: it produces a one-way event horizon behind you. If you accelerate at 1 g away from Earth space, after one year you will no longer be able to ever receive signals from Earth (until you stop accelerating away from Earth), but Earth will still be able to receive signals from you, albeit greatly redshifted. red-shifted. It is, of course, possible to redshift red-shift a signal so great that our receivers can't detect it. Evidently, the President was surprised that the ship hadn't checked in in two years.



** Perhaps a test to determine whether humans could survive relativistic travel at all. Although they wouldn't necessarily tell the crew ''that.''



** Those are all excellent clues, but the idea that an ''astronaut'' would never look at the moon or the constellations seems even stranger. Then again, if he jumps to his 'blew it all up' speech the first time he looks up, the movie's kind of short.



* Why do the humans start taking apes as pets? Escape From the Planet of the Apes had Cornelius tell humanity how the apes would rise starting with pets. Humanity clearly believed this because instead of treating talking apes as the incredible wonder that we would it's seen as a huge problem and they spend a lot of Conquest trying to kill Caesar because they know what he represents. So given they had warnings, warnings that were apparently taken seriously by the majority of humanity, (It would be different if the talking space apes were treated as some kind of hoax)why do they still take ape pets and on top of that start training them to do things as complcated as shopping and cutting hair? If I were in that scenario I'd be going circus to to circus exterminating organ grinding monkeys and no amount of dead pets would make me allow you to have ape pets. Pigs, iguanas, spiders, snakes, gerbils, possums, kangaroos. . .there has to be something. Hell we know horses survived the plague everybody could rock MyLittlePony as long as it wasn't an ape. It's like a case of an entire planet being TooDumbToLive.

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** An extremely conservative culture steeped in religious ritual might keep 'the First Speech' alive in the same way we still use Latin.
* Why do the humans start taking apes as pets? Escape From the Planet of the Apes had Cornelius tell humanity how the apes would rise starting with pets. Humanity clearly believed this because instead of treating talking apes as the incredible wonder that we would it's seen as a huge problem and they spend a lot of Conquest trying to kill Caesar because they know what he represents. So given they had warnings, warnings that were apparently taken seriously by the majority of humanity, (It would be different if the talking space apes were treated as some kind of hoax)why hoax) why do they still take ape pets and on top of that start training them to do things as complcated complicated as shopping and cutting hair? If I were in that scenario I'd be going circus to to circus exterminating organ grinding monkeys and no amount of dead pets would make me allow you to have ape pets. Pigs, iguanas, spiders, snakes, gerbils, possums, kangaroos. . .there has to be something. Hell we know horses survived the plague everybody could rock MyLittlePony as long as it wasn't an ape. It's like a case of an entire planet being TooDumbToLive.



* The mutant humans in ''Beneath''. How'd they manage to survive all that time living with radiation? We did see what it did to their skin, but we also know that radiation causes thyroid cancer, sterility,birth defects...seems to me they're lucky not to have died out after a few generations.
* In the first movie the monkeys say flight is impossible, but what about birds? If [[spoiler:they actually took the Earth]] aren't they suppose to exist or did they kill all of them that they haven't seen any before?

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** And why? Probably intended as a SequelHook.
* The mutant humans in ''Beneath''. How'd they manage to survive all that time living with radiation? We did see what it did to their skin, but we also know that radiation causes thyroid cancer, sterility,birth sterility, birth defects...seems to me they're lucky not to have died out after a few generations.
* In the first movie the monkeys say flight is impossible, but what about birds? If [[spoiler:they actually took the Earth]] aren't they suppose supposed to exist or did they kill all of them exist?
** They probably mean 'a machine
that they haven't seen any before?allows an ape to fly is impossible'. Not counting the legend of Icarus, humans said pretty much the same thing for many centuries.
4th Nov '16 8:21:10 PM LBHills
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** No bonobos either (the few corpses in European hands when this movie came out were in boxes labeled 'immature chimpanzee'), and the most widespread great ape (humans) are implicitly excluded, so it should be called Planet of Some of the Great Apes (But Not Necessarily All of Them).
1st Sep '16 3:15:12 PM Snarf
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** The novelization does in fact state that the apes were genetically modified to make them more pliable as pets (and more intelligent to handle menial work).
1st Sep '16 3:10:23 PM Snarf
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***** The Lincoln Memorial wasn't built until the 1930's. The Apes could have demolished the statue at any time, and replaced it with their own. Human civilizations did/do that all the time (the Egyptians were ''notorious'' for retconning their own history!)
6th Sep '15 2:10:37 PM Mau-Kun
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* The mutant humans in ''Beneath''. How'd they manage to survive all that time living with radiation? We did see what it did to their skin, but we also know that radiation causes thyroid cancer, sterility,birth defects...seems to me they're lucky not to have died out after a few generations.

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* The mutant humans in ''Beneath''. How'd they manage to survive all that time living with radiation? We did see what it did to their skin, but we also know that radiation causes thyroid cancer, sterility,birth defects...seems to me they're lucky not to have died out after a few generations.generations.
* In the first movie the monkeys say flight is impossible, but what about birds? If [[spoiler:they actually took the Earth]] aren't they suppose to exist or did they kill all of them that they haven't seen any before?
19th Jun '15 9:50:04 PM chicagomel
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* The Book. The story of Ulysse, our human hero and narrator, is one found transcribed onto paper and found as a literal message in a bottle by the spacefaring characters of Jinn and Phyllis. Allowing for how Ulysse's transcript ends, how does he get the message back into space?

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* The Book. The story of Ulysse, our human hero and narrator, is one found transcribed onto paper and found as a literal message in a bottle by the spacefaring characters of Jinn and Phyllis. Allowing for how Ulysse's transcript ends, how does he get the message back into space?space?
* The mutant humans in ''Beneath''. How'd they manage to survive all that time living with radiation? We did see what it did to their skin, but we also know that radiation causes thyroid cancer, sterility,birth defects...seems to me they're lucky not to have died out after a few generations.
29th Apr '15 1:07:19 AM Aquila89
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*** But if they transplanted everything, again the Statue of Liberty does not work as a proof that it was Earth all along. Why couldn't they transplant that?
29th Mar '15 5:04:05 AM MudCrab
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* Why do the humans start taking apes as pets? Escape From the Planet of the Apes had Cornelius tell humanity how the apes would rise starting with pets. Humanity clearly believed this because instead of treating talking apes as the incredible wonder that we would it's seen as a huge problem and they spend a lot of Conquest trying to kill Caesar because they know what he represents. So given they had warnings, warnings that were apparently taken seriously by the majority of humanity, (It would be different if the talking space apes were treated as some kind of hoax)why do they still take ape pets and on top of that start training them to do things as complcated as shopping and cutting hair? If I were in that scenario I'd be going circus to to circus exterminating organ grinding monkeys and no amount of dead pets would make me allow you to have ape pets. Pigs, iguanas, spiders, snakes, gerbils, possums, kangaroos. . .there has to be something. Hell we know horses survived the plague everybody could rock MyLittlePony as long as it wasn't an ape. It's like a case of an entire planet being TooDumbToLive.

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* Why do the humans start taking apes as pets? Escape From the Planet of the Apes had Cornelius tell humanity how the apes would rise starting with pets. Humanity clearly believed this because instead of treating talking apes as the incredible wonder that we would it's seen as a huge problem and they spend a lot of Conquest trying to kill Caesar because they know what he represents. So given they had warnings, warnings that were apparently taken seriously by the majority of humanity, (It would be different if the talking space apes were treated as some kind of hoax)why do they still take ape pets and on top of that start training them to do things as complcated as shopping and cutting hair? If I were in that scenario I'd be going circus to to circus exterminating organ grinding monkeys and no amount of dead pets would make me allow you to have ape pets. Pigs, iguanas, spiders, snakes, gerbils, possums, kangaroos. . .there has to be something. Hell we know horses survived the plague everybody could rock MyLittlePony as long as it wasn't an ape. It's like a case of an entire planet being TooDumbToLive.TooDumbToLive.
* The Book. The story of Ulysse, our human hero and narrator, is one found transcribed onto paper and found as a literal message in a bottle by the spacefaring characters of Jinn and Phyllis. Allowing for how Ulysse's transcript ends, how does he get the message back into space?
30th Dec '14 6:03:40 PM Alberich
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* How did the English language remain so fully unchanged through ape revolution, nuclear war, and centuries of primitive culture?

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* How did the English language remain so fully unchanged through ape revolution, nuclear war, and centuries of primitive culture?culture? And how did the small ape community shown in the original movie maintain such a wide range of twentieth-century accents?
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