History Headscratchers / PhoenixWrightAceAttorney

16th May '18 10:30:55 PM Octoya
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\n** To be fair, maybe Godot didn't know about ''all'' of the things Phoenix did for Maya and Mia. Aside from that, Godot is dealing with survivor's guilt for not doing anything to save Mia himself. He was in a coma and couldn't protect her, and he hates himself for that. Phoenix on the other hand ''wasn't'' in a coma and conceivably could have protected her, if only he'd arrived at her office a bit earlier. It's not Godot's fault for being in a coma and it's not Phoenix's fault for not knowing a murder was about to happen, but that's probably some of his thought process anyway. As for other targets, Redd White is in jail and Marvin Grossberg is... um... not a main character. And Godot also has reason to hate Phoenix because he dated Godot's would-be murderer Dahlia, helped her conceal evidence, and adamantly defended her in court, even if he was manipulated into doing all of that. So overall, that might account for him hating Phoenix so much that he'd want to face him in court.

11th May '18 12:58:53 PM themerryman
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*** To be honest, I don't think it can be realistically argued that Godot's completely irrational judgement that someone was murdered, and she was always around this one person, so clearly that one guy should've used his psychic powers to predict the future and protect her, was not in any way, shape or form, motivated by the fact that that murdered someone was a woman, and that the one person was a man. Especially given the fact that, to my recollection, Godot directly implies this to be one of the main reasons he expected Phoenix to protect Mia. I could be wrong, but, whether or not this is sexist, chivalrous, or chivalrously-sexist, is another debate entirely.

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*** To be honest, I don't think it can be realistically argued that Godot's completely irrational judgement that someone was murdered, and she was always around this one person, so clearly that one guy should've used his non-existent psychic powers to predict the future and protect her, was not in any way, shape or form, motivated by the fact that that murdered someone was a woman, and that the one person was a man. Especially given the fact that, to my recollection, Godot directly implies this to be one of the main reasons he expected Phoenix to protect Mia. I could be wrong, but, whether or not this is sexist, chivalrous, or chivalrously-sexist, is another debate entirely. But Godot definitely has a "chivalrous" and/or patronizing attitude towards women. You can't realistically argue otherwise, it's heavily implied constantly throughout his appearances. But whether this is makes him "sexist" is something else entirely, and not a debate I want to personally get into.
11th May '18 11:01:52 AM themerryman
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\n\n* I still don't understand Godot's hatred for Phoenix over Mia's death, which was so strong that it apparently drove him to become a mysterious masked prosecutor to try and crush his career. Did he expect Phoenix to predict the future, or pull the fact that someone wanted Mia dead from thin air, and save Mia from getting murdered? If Phoenix knew the danger Mia was in, and did nothing about it, that would've been one thing, but he didn't, and there was no way he could've known. It seems completely irrational, and nonsensical, especially considering the fact that he seemed to blissfully skip over the parts where Phoenix ''caught Mia's murderer, saved her sister on multiple occasions (including the arduous events of 2-4), dealt with conflict in her home village, helped look after her cousin, and carried on Mia's legacy as an attorney''. I get that hatred is often times irrational, but hatred this strong normally comes from some legitimate place, or because there's no other way for someone to express themselves. Godot had plenty of more reasonable targets to aim his hatred at: Redd White is the obvious one, but there's also Marvin Grossberg. And he would've been fully capable of just dealing with things normally. If he felt some sort of anger towards him I can get that, but it wasn't like he didn't have the ability to deal with it in a normal way, like introducing himself to Phoenix and explaining things to him, the entire thing could've been avoided. All of his irrational hatred was just able to manifest because he didn't do anything about it, even though he had the options to.



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*** To be honest, I don't think it can be realistically argued that Godot's completely irrational judgement that someone was murdered, and she was always around this one person, so clearly that one guy should've used his psychic powers to predict the future and protect her, was not in any way, shape or form, motivated by the fact that that murdered someone was a woman, and that the one person was a man. Especially given the fact that, to my recollection, Godot directly implies this to be one of the main reasons he expected Phoenix to protect Mia. I could be wrong, but, whether or not this is sexist, chivalrous, or chivalrously-sexist, is another debate entirely.


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11th May '18 10:05:02 AM connornimbus
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*** Except this wasn't Payne's argument- this was Godots. Even if he's not the best prosecutor,this is still a gaping hole for him to come up with.
3rd May '18 1:09:09 AM themerryman
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** All jokes aside, it ''is'' very possible that Tigre's got his bright orange skin sometime after the entire incident. Remember that it was a month later. It's not as though it's completely out of the picture. Not to mention, we see "Phoenix" in the case's into, and not only does he not have orange skin, he looks exactly like Phoenix, and is even sweating in the same way as him. It's very probable that, outside of his temperamental personality slipping through, that Tigre did a genuinely bang-up job with the impersonation. To the point where everyone was generally able to put their doubts to one side, and convince themselves it's not worth bringing up that Phoenix seems different then usual in some areas. "He seems kinda different, like that weird temper, but it's probably just my imagination, right? Maybe he's just going through some personal problems, or something like that, best not to bring it up". That kind of thing. I'm sure if the impersonation was ''truly'' horrible that some characters would've questioned it, especially someone like Maggey.
14th Apr '18 7:59:39 AM themerryman
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** It's heavily implied that she's just living by herself, while under the watch of everyone else at Kurain. She is an acolyte after all, and she's a major part Kurain, and fairly sure the other mediums there would be looking after her. It's also implied that Phoenix and Maya often look after her as well whenever they're actually able to. Remember that in Turnabout Bigtop, they took Pearl to the circus, because she didn't have her parents anymore.


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*** True, but that doesn't change the fact that forcing a change of prosecutor would've made things a whole lot easier for Phoenix. I doubt De Killer wanted to take any chances. It isn't as though Phoenix wasn't in in constant danger of losing his prior cases, after all.
13th Apr '18 7:08:40 PM Christy
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* Who exactly is looking after Pearl? Her mother is in jail, her sister is dead and the other is either also serving time or on a mountain, Bikini is also on said mountain, Mia and Misty are both dead, and her father(assuming she and the twins share the same one) left years ago. That leaves Maya who it seems can barely look after herself at the best of times. And if she does have a different father or other unseen caretaker why do they seemingly let her wander off by herself all the time or even turn up in Bridge To Turnabout when she briefly went missing?

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* Who exactly is looking after Pearl? Her mother is in jail, her sister is dead and the other is either also serving time or on a mountain, Bikini is also on said mountain, Mia and Misty are both dead, and her father(assuming she and the twins share the same one) left years ago. That leaves Maya who it seems can barely look after herself at the best of times. And if she does have a different father or other unseen caretaker why do they seemingly let her wander off by herself all the time or not even turn up in Bridge To Turnabout when she briefly went missing?
13th Apr '18 6:43:13 PM Christy
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* Who exactly is looking after Pearl? Her mother is in jail, her sister is dead and the other is either also serving time or on a mountain, Bikini is also on said mountain, Mia and Misty are both dead, and her father(assuming she and the twins share the same one) left years ago. That leaves Maya who it seems can barely look after herself at the best of times. And if she does have a different father or other unseen caretaker why do they seemingly let her wander off by herself all the time or even turn up in Bridge To Turnabout when she briefly went missing?
4th Apr '18 2:21:55 PM FalconPain
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*** However, if he knew that much about Franziska, he probably should have known that Phoenix had faced her in court twice recently, and one case was also high-profile and involved well-known entertainers. And he had won both times, and had an undefeated record against her.
3rd Apr '18 2:37:51 PM themerryman
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** The logic of it is supposed to be that Franziska is international prosecutor known as a highly skilled prodigy, so her being out of the case automatically makes it easier for Phoenix. Seems fair to say that De Killer was assuming that whatever replacement that got as prosecutor wouldn't be anywhere near as talented. Even assuming that De Killer knew about Edgeworth & his prosecuting prowess, he couldn't have known both that he was actually alive, and that he happened to have recently returned.
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