History Headscratchers / PhoenixWrightAceAttorney

21st Sep '16 3:40:06 PM RLYoshi
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* Okay, maybe I'm just being dumb, but in Case 3-1, there's an offhand line from Mia, regarding Phoenix, saying "that P on his sweater doesn't stand for Phoenix!" when she's mad at him for lying. Was this just GettingCrapPastTheRadar and calling him a "pussy" (seeing as he was crying at the time) or something else?
13th Sep '16 11:32:55 AM narutobarrage17
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*This is something that has bothered me from the very first time I played this case a few years ago. Phoenix goes to the office, and finds Mia dead, Maya crying over her body. Maya passes out, and move her body to a sofa. You hold Mia until the warmth leaves her body. You investigate her body for clues, and then when you go to call the police All of a sudden April May shows up in the hotel across the street, screaming about "OMG! A murder." Phoenix never ONCE points out the logical inconsistency of her "seeing the murder occur" and yet you're at the office for at least five to ten minutes before she draws attention to herself by screaming, yet she acts as if the murder JUST OCCURRED! And given that she's staring straight at Phoenix when she DOES call it actually makes Redd's testimony seem more accurate when he later accuses Phoenix of being the murderer! "I came into the office and immediately run into her dead body, yet the police weren't called until at least ten minutes later. Would you care to explain this?" That this time inconsistincy is never once brought up really bugs me.
11th Sep '16 7:35:56 AM Valiona
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*** This happens again near the end of the first day of the trial in "Turnabout Academy," so it's possible that they use that setting for anyone besides the judge, prosecutor, defense attorney or cocounsel who wants to speak without having to make up an entirely new part of the background. In the manga, you can see the defendant seat near the defense's side of the court, and in the cinematic with the "proof of friendship" in Turnbout Academy, you can see Robin and Juniper approaching the stand while Hugh is testifying.
10th Sep '16 11:08:24 PM OrangenChan
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** It's stress, most likely. Remember, Pearl's a 9-year-old kid who just spent a day trapped in a place she's never been to before, which probably isn't terribly safe, either. She's also been worried about Maya the whole time. Under the circumstances, it makes sense for her to snap at Franziska; if Pearl had run into her at any other time, she'd probably be more polite to her for the reasons you stated.
10th Sep '16 10:05:59 PM OrangenChan
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*** Well, that's exactly the thing: [[spoiler:Gant panicked. He ''wasn't'' thinking clearly. Of course with the way the trial went, blaming Lana led to him being found out, but that was the first / simplest solution that came to his mind.]] As for your second question, [[spoiler:it doesn't really make sense for ''Meekins'' to assume their was a murder, yes. But perhaps when he heard the report, Gant thought he could use it for a little extra misdirection? With the extra confusion it caused, he probably hoped it would take longer for anyone to figure out that it was really him behind everything.]]
10th Sep '16 9:44:16 PM OrangenChan
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** Probably because the murder in 1-3 ''was'' technically accidental and in self-defense (since Jack was the one who came after her). It's true that it was her fault that Jack wanted to kill her, but I suppose fandom took the "accidental" part and just ran with it.
30th Aug '16 1:39:22 AM Chubzhac
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* Why does everyone try to make Dee Vasquez look more sympathetic than she actually was? She was a cold, abusive blackmailer who had no issue with ordering her mafia goons to execute Phoenix and Maya. If Gumshoe was a more competent policeman she would have been arrested for attempted murder.



* Why does everyone try to make Dee Vasquez look more sympathetic than she actually was? She was a cold, abusive blackmailer who had no issue with ordering her mafia goons to execute Phoenix and Maya. If Gumshoe was a more competent policeman she would have been arrested for attempted murder.

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* Why does everyone try to make Dee Vasquez look more sympathetic than she actually was? She was a cold, abusive blackmailer who had no issue with ordering her mafia goons to execute Phoenix and Maya. If Gumshoe was a more competent policeman she would have been arrested for attempted murder.
27th Aug '16 10:05:15 PM Technicolourtardis
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*** Well, technically speaking, [[spoiler: he just wanted to kill Regina, the bust was just a convenient item to use]].


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** Wait, that's your problem with the case? Not the fact that [[spoiler: Acro somehow thought ''Regina'' would consider herself a murderer, and would pick up the box, rather than sit on it to wait for the note-sender]]? Because that's pretty obviously what would have happened if [[spoiler: Regina had done exactly as the note said]]. Did the culprit honestly think [[spoiler: she'd react any differently than she did, despite knowing her personality]]? If anything, that's the weirdest aspect of this entire case.
26th Aug '16 4:31:30 PM Technicolourtardis
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*** Well, maybe because framing Maya had already failed once...? Remember, she tried to frame her before and failed. She's no idea that Nick is an extraordinary attorney. For all she knows, all attorneys are as good as Phoenix and Mia. The quickest and simplest thing? Kill Maya.
26th Aug '16 4:27:11 PM Technicolourtardis
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** Because it was [[spoiler: Morgan who hatched the plan, not Dahlia. Morgan wasn't interested in revenge, by proxy or otherwise, but in securing Pearl's position as master. Killing Phoenix wouldn't help her in that. And i doubt Morgan or Dahlia were interested in getting away with anything since they were already both in prison.]]
*** But Morgan could have killed two bird with one stone if she had Phoenix killed and had Maya take the fall. If that happened, almost nobody would be able to save Maya at that point, since the most competent people would either be dead or prosecutors, thus unable to defend her.
*** And how would she pull this off? Morgan didn't even know Phoenix would be there at Hazakura, and she had one shot, i doubt Pearl would ever call Dahlia again if she killed someone. Frameups are by their nature much more complicated than simple murders, she couldn't order Dahlia to kill Phoenix and frame Maya and expect reasonable chance of success. And her plan was made on short notice just before she was sent to prison, she didn't have time or resources to hatch anything more complicated than "call Dahlia in Hazakura, tell her to kill Maya, everyone will think it was Iris, so you'll be safe".

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** Because it was [[spoiler: Morgan who hatched the plan, not Dahlia. Morgan wasn't interested in revenge, by proxy or otherwise, but in securing Pearl's position as master. Killing Phoenix wouldn't help her in that. And i I doubt Morgan or Dahlia were interested in getting away with anything since they were already both in prison.]]
*** But Morgan could have killed two bird birds with one stone if she had Phoenix killed and had Maya take the fall. If that happened, almost nobody would be able to save Maya at that point, since the most competent people would either be dead or prosecutors, thus unable to defend her.
*** And how would she pull this off? Morgan didn't even know Phoenix would be there at Hazakura, and she had one shot, i I doubt Pearl would ever call Dahlia again if she killed someone. Frameups are by their nature much more complicated than simple murders, she couldn't order Dahlia to kill Phoenix and frame Maya and expect reasonable chance of success. And her plan was made on short notice just before she was sent to prison, she didn't have time or resources to hatch anything more complicated than "call Dahlia in Hazakura, tell her to kill Maya, everyone will think it was Iris, so you'll be safe".safe".
* Did Pearl just... forget that Franziska is the reason 2-4 turned out so well? She clearly knows, because she's not rude to Franziska at the end of the episode in question. When she sees Franziska in 3-5, Pearl reams her for her prior behaviour in 2-2... but she knows that were it not for Franziska, Engarde would have gotten away and/or Maya would be dead. It could just be distress, but considering she ran into Fran when she was working WITH Phoenix? It seems odd as anything except to show Franziska's a lot more human than the fans think of her.
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