History Headscratchers / PhoenixWrightAceAttorney

13th Nov '17 8:40:15 AM CrayonKiddo
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* White was actually pretty easy to take down during Phoenix's confrontation with him in court. But why? Taking all his connections into account, you would think proving him guilty would be harder. True, [[spoiler: he actually didn't confess to murdering Mia until she was channeled by Maya, gave Nick an important hint and then blackmailed White into confessing]], but even before that happened, Nick had ripped through his testimony pretty easily.
11th Nov '17 4:59:56 AM Squirtle802
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** It was my understanding that Pearl still visited her mother in prison, and the letter was given to her during one such visit not long before the Hazakura Temple trip.
11th Nov '17 4:41:59 AM Squirtle802
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** While I can understand people disagreeing on Godot being sexist, Franziska ''really'' is not a good counterpoint. The fact her victims are mostly men is just because the cast of Ace Attorney is mostly men, the reason for her violent outbursts is all but directly stated to be because she's emotionally stunted and socially inept, and the reason most people view it as funny more than anything is because the game plays those moments for comedy. Because Franziska is a character with every dial cranked up to eleven where Godot is meant to be read with more nuance the fandom reading similar actions differently isn't a sexist double-standard, it's the actions themselves meaning different things in different contexts.
10th Nov '17 12:27:30 AM OrangenChan
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** Since when Payne is a good prosecutor? Any lawyer worth his salf would've shown that argument is flimsy, but the lawyer in this case was ''trying'' to lose and making an appeal is harder than just defending the case.

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** Since when Payne is a good prosecutor? Any lawyer worth his salf salt would've shown that argument is flimsy, but the lawyer in this case was ''trying'' to lose and making an appeal is harder than just defending the case.


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*** It could also be something like "pathetic" or "pitiful." That's what I assumed at first, and wouldn't have thought it was something dirtier if I hadn't seen anyone else suggest it. There's ''several'' derogatory words starting with P that Mia could've meant there, really.
9th Nov '17 4:57:02 AM OrangenChan
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*** The implication here is that [[spoiler: Acro intended to kill someone without being blamed for it. So he had to frame someone. He first of all didn't think there would be any witnesses. But, just in case, he used the bust of Max to draw suspicion away from himself, hoping that if anyone saw anything in the dark, they would think it was Max, and wouldn't see the rope. And that was actually born out: none of the witnesses (like Moe) even saw a rope...they just saw Max flying! He didn't necessarily intend to frame anyone: he hoped he would get the job done without witnesses, but he covered his tracks in case there WERE witnesses. The cape landing on the bust was just fortunate happenstance.]]

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*** ** The implication here is that [[spoiler: Acro intended to kill someone without being blamed for it. So he had to frame someone. He first of all didn't think there would be any witnesses. But, just in case, he used the bust of Max to draw suspicion away from himself, hoping that if anyone saw anything in the dark, they would think it was Max, and wouldn't see the rope. And that was actually born out: none of the witnesses (like Moe) even saw a rope...they just saw Max flying! He didn't necessarily intend to frame anyone: he hoped he would get the job done without witnesses, but he covered his tracks in case there WERE witnesses. The cape landing on the bust was just fortunate happenstance.]]



*** [[spoiler: I thought that Acro's plot was a result of his discovery of the bust in his room, not the other way around.]]
*** [[spoiler: Acro did not originally intend to kill without being blamed. All his plot was to get Regina into the place where he could kill her, without caring to hide his identity as the killer. It was entirely a coincidence that Mr. Berry happened to wear Max's costume to the crime scene and the coat happened to hang onto the bust, incriminating Max. Acro did not plan this to happen (and he really couldn't). Though he did say he deliberately framed Max, I took that to mean he framed Max after realizing that other people were suspecting Max instead of him.]]

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*** ** [[spoiler: I thought that Acro's plot was a result of his discovery of the bust in his room, not the other way around.]]
*** ** [[spoiler: Acro did not originally intend to kill without being blamed. All his plot was to get Regina into the place where he could kill her, without caring to hide his identity as the killer. It was entirely a coincidence that Mr. Berry happened to wear Max's costume to the crime scene and the coat happened to hang onto the bust, incriminating Max. Acro did not plan this to happen (and he really couldn't). Though he did say he deliberately framed Max, I took that to mean he framed Max after realizing that other people were suspecting Max instead of him.]]
*** This explanation seems to be the most likely. [[spoiler:There's really no way that Acro could've planned to frame Max from the start, so "I blamed Max" could very plausibly just mean "I decided to just roll with that after the fact," since it basically amounts to the same thing.
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11th Oct '17 10:11:21 AM Siggu
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** In ''Ace Attorney'', evidence is everything. Normally, you could prove someone is the culprit because they left some kind of evidence connecting to them in the crime scene. Now, if all you have is a calling card that is known to be left by a hitman... how do you ''prove'' that someone hired a hitman and is the culprit? Unless you find a copy of a contract or a video tape involving the hitman talking with the client, you can't. Remember, Engarde was only caught because Andrews set fake evidence on him and that Matt was put into a checkmate situation between confessing he was the client or living the rest of his life as De Killer's target.


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** The larger problem here is that, in 2-1, Gumshoe did pretty much the same thing when testifying and Maggey merely took it as Gumshoe being dumb. Then again, after being in jail for a month, she probably TookALevelInJerkass.
1st Oct '17 2:29:22 PM NNinja
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** I'll explain my reasoning for each character:
*** Bikini: Misty DID tell her actually. Not in the details, but she did tell her that someone is trying to take down the main family line. That would be enough to get her to cooperate and if they decided that they need her for something, they'd just need to ask without going into details of Morgan's plan itself.
*** Pearl: Why would they think that a child would listen to two random women over her own mother? Remember that neither Iris nor Misty knew Pearl prior to the plan, they didn't know if she was tricked of helping her willingly, or how was she convinced. Don't forget that Pearl trusted Morgan, they had no reason to believe that she'd believe them.
*** Phoenix: Misty didn't know anything about him except for being Maya's friend. Iris knew him better, but still, neither had any reason to think that he believes in channelling, for all they knew he was there just to humor his friend. Like Iris said when talking with Edgeworth most people don't believe in spiritual powers, and without knowing how does chanelling work explaining things to him would be pointless. Additionally untill they came to Hazakura they had no way of contacting him. When they were there "Elise" was already Pearl's BFF, so they had every reason to believe that situation is under control.
*** Maya: I wouldn't be sure that they didn't tell her actually. When Mia was chanelled for advice she told her what to do before Pearl channels Dahlia, but in order to knew that she'd have to know about Morgan's plot. Maya herself had to know about Dahlia to channel her and it was too dark to see anything, she didn't see who attacked her. Given how Maya's actions after the attack were specifically to counter Morgan's plot i suspect that Iris DID in fact tell her, probably some time between dinner and her talk with Phoenix.
25th Sep '17 11:36:32 PM nowaymanguy
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* I don't think this is wildly known, but [[WordOfGod Word of God]] said that ''[[VideoGame/GhostTrick Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective]]'' took place in Ace Attorney's universe. Good so far. But I must wonder: Do the Fey know about the Ghost World [[spoiler:or the Temsik Meteor]]? I mean, those ghosts are so powerfully they can alter reality to their will. They can switch things out of place. Heck they can change ''history itself''. The Fey are supposed to be the best mediums in the world... it's strange to think that they wouldn't care about ghosts altering the course of history to save someone. Also brings up the question: Why not simply revive [[spoiler: Misty Fey]] or Mia with Ghost Tricks? I can understand if the [[spoiler:Temsik radiation]] is the only way to get ghost powers, but there must be someone else with these around the globe, and the Ace Mediums are bound to notice it at some point. [[spoiler: There were lots of pieces of the Temsik spread when he crashed, that not counting other pieces that were not shown.]]
** If ''VideoGame/GhostTrick'' takes place in the future, then such powerful spirits probably don't exist in the AA timeline until ''Apollo Justice'', where there are no mediums.
** Ghost Trick makes it pretty clear that [[spoiler:the Temsik meteor is the direct cause of the Powers of the Dead, so it seems highly unlikely that any ghosts not exposed to the Temsik radiation would have those powers. And considering the chaos that ensued just from one man, one dog and one cat having those powers, it seems likely that if there were any other empowered ghosts running around they would have been noticed during Ghost Trick. Also consider that in Ghost Trick's original timeline knowledge of these ghosts is limited to a pretty small number of people: the ghosts themselves, who aren't in much of a position to tell anyone about it, the people Yomiel told, who would have no reason to let anyone else in on it, and a small number of special investigators who only knew that ''something'' was going on, but didn't have any details on what it actually was. In the eventual altered timeline the only people who know anything about the whole thing are Yomiel, Jowd, Missile and Sissel, who are presumably not going around telling people about it, and of course at that point the only 'ghost' with Powers of the Dead is Sissel, who is a ''housecat''.]] And even if Ghost Trick took place at the same time as AA, it can't take place in the same country. Given all that, it seems highly unlikely that any of the Kurain mediums would ever have any reason to be aware of the Ghost Trick ghosts, let alone have them on call to undo family deaths.



** Ace Attorney takes place in the same universe as Ghost Trick. Whether the Kurain religion has anything to say about it or not, we have absolute proof that spirits can take on whatever form they damn well please.
25th Sep '17 11:30:20 PM nowaymanguy
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* How does De Killer leaving his calling card at a crime scene act as insurance for his clients? It's just telling the police that someone hired him to carry out a murder, and that therefore they should be looking for the person who hired him. Which in turn pretty much renders any potential alibis and direct lack of evidence tying someone to the actual act a completely moot point. Surely it actually does more damage then it would help his clients in any way.
4th Sep '17 1:25:23 PM Octoya
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** I recall during that case he made some remarks towards Ron that he wasn't a "real man" because of his more timid and effeminate character, although I don't recall them specifically enough to say if that was truly the case. But that's the only thing that stuck out to me as sexist at the time. I think overall it's what you say, people looking for offense for the sake of it. Nearly all of Godot's "sexist" moments can individually be explained as not being motivated by sexism, but because he has quite a few of them, and people might have reasons not to read him too charitably, lots of people in the fanbase ignore the other explanations. Might also be some kind of stereotyping, since he's Hispanic (Latino?) and stereotypes exist of Hispanics being more hypermasculine and chauvinist. Not that I've looked around in the fandom, generally.
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