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17th Aug '17 5:42:02 PM omegaxis1
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*** Guys, what are you talking about? Nyx is a being that was confirmed to PREDATE humanity. She exists as a being that personifies Death itself. In fact, ALL humans possess a fragment of Nyx's own consciousness in them, being the Shadows. Humans DEPEND on the Shadows to survive. When the Shadows are forcibly extracted from them, they become the Lost, because they cannot function without their Shadow. When Nyx awakens and arrives to the world, she literally extracts all the Shadows into herself and kills every human being in the process. Also, there's no confirmation on whether Nyx actually can be destroyed even by the Universe Arcana, but for the sake of argument, let's say that she can. That's the same as killing her consciousness and by extension, the Shadows. Great job, by killing Nyx killed all of humanity as well. I don't know whether she's equal to, superior to, or inferior to Nyarlathotep or Philemon, but Nyx is essentially the god of humans themselves. The other gods and goddesses that we see since P3, from Izanami to Yaldabaoth, they are all beings that are born from the collective unconsciousness of human beings. Izanami-no-Mikoto was born that way too, but because humans began changing, Izanami separated into Marie and Izanami, and then Izanami created the two sagiris as well. When Izanami was defeated, she didn't die, but rather returned to Marie. There's no understanding on whether Izanami would have been really killed, but so long as humanity wished for her existence, then like Erebus, she would undoubtedly return.
9th Jul '17 12:52:30 AM Argzero
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*** Refer to the Japanese proverb "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down."
9th Jul '17 12:15:06 AM Argzero
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* Perhaps more perplexing is the fact that the girls somehow pulled what seemed to be an infinite supply of buckets out of the water given the number of them they throw at the guys (refer to the anime scene)
9th Jul '17 12:10:20 AM Argzero
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* This troper is not surprised by this given that men are more harshly criticised in general for mistreatment of women than the reverse. Women often get away with calling out men on their actions in real life (even if this was actually not the case) and men are more often laughed at when they even bring up such things. It thereby comes as no surprise that the male characters find themselves forced to accept their fates and the women appear to show little to no remorse given that society doesn't really enforce them to feel any remorse and more often would be likely to cheer them on.
8th Jul '17 11:55:50 PM Argzero
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*** Emphasized further by the Dojima's character events in which he doesn't know how to resolve his issues with Nanako without MC intervening.
8th Jul '17 11:30:41 PM Argzero
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** Naoto ''was'' following them; remember how [[spoiler:she]] knew where to find them at Junes? But [[spoiler she]] did so from afar because, in a town as small as Inaba, someone would have noticed if [[spoiler:she]] had been too obvious about it. So she likely never followed too close whenever they went into Junes, because they could easily spot her there (remember, they had already met Naoto before) and she didn't want to risk spooking them.

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** Naoto ''was'' following them; remember how [[spoiler:she]] knew where to find them at Junes? But [[spoiler [[spoiler: she]] did so from afar because, in a town as small as Inaba, someone would have noticed if [[spoiler:she]] had been too obvious about it. So she likely never followed too close whenever they went into Junes, because they could easily spot her there (remember, they had already met Naoto before) and she didn't want to risk spooking them.
8th Jul '17 11:25:30 PM Argzero
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* To be fair, according to a quick google search and a certain troper's minor background knowledge of Japan, Japanese birthdays are not as big a celebration as they are in the West. In fact, there was supposedly no custom of celebrating birthdays in Japan until approximately 1950.
8th Jul '17 11:10:03 PM Argzero
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*** This is further emphasized in Persona 5 where [[spoiler:shadows are described as being representations of societal perceptions of power]].
8th Jul '17 11:03:35 PM Argzero
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*** This is further emphasized in Persona 5 where [[spoiler:shadows are described as being representations of societal perceptions of power]].
8th Jul '17 10:15:28 PM Argzero
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* I imagin that Naoto's Grandfather called in some favors, if the Shirogane name is as celebrated as it seems.

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*** This mentality is further confirmed by the way the Metaverse of Persona 5 works for weaponry given that all of the characters can fire real bullets using toy guns in the Metaverse.
* I imagin imagine that Naoto's Grandfather called in some favors, if the Shirogane name is as celebrated as it seems.
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