History Headscratchers / Persona4

9th Aug '16 11:37:57 PM Lullaby22
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** Short answer: Yes, Adachi had a point, but it doesn't matter. He still killed people and he has to answer for that.

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** Short answer: Yes, Adachi had a point, but it doesn't matter. He still killed innocent people and he has to answer for that.
9th Aug '16 11:37:37 PM Lullaby22
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** Short answer: Yes, Adachi had a point, but it doesn't matter. He still killed people and he has to answer for that.
6th Aug '16 8:26:54 AM Valiona
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** I personally think that Persona Q actually works a little better with the Velvet Room functions being done by the characters unique to both games rather than having Igor, who appears in both. It would get a little complicated working out whether he's from 2009 or 2011.


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*** That's true, and it's also reflected with their Shadows. Shadow Chie is completely obsessed with controlling Yukiko to feel superior to her. Meanwhile, Shadow Yukiko suggests that Chie might have been her Prince, but she can't take her away from Inaba.


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** Yukiko's saying that Naoto would be scared because she's a girl is ranked third on her list of justifications, and an afterthought after the most relevant fact- that no one, not even Kanji, who singlehandedly beat up a biker gang, could resist the kidnapper.


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** If you go to bed when the time's almost up, you might get a phone call demanding that you go to the TV World, which happened to me late in December (since the game skips ahead after you clear Magatsu Inaba, this was the only dungeon I didn't do at the first opportunity).


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*** This is true, but the party doesn't seem to realize exactly how Adachi, Yu or Namatame got their powers until after they learn about Izanami's existence and plan.
** Rise actually says Adachi isn't completely wrong when he asks whether the Investigation Team is fighting for justice or for their own fulfillment, even if she adds that what he did is still unforgivable. As for the rest, Adachi isn't interested in changing anything- perhaps all he's experienced has embittered him, but he's mainly using that as an excuse to murder two people, manipulate a third party into kidnapping others, and watch as the world's enveloped in fog. Since the party have accepted their flaws and started working to overcome them, it's natural that they'd find what he's doing to be completely unacceptable and nonsensical.


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* It's strongly implied that the protagonist and his girlfriend(s) are keeping their relationship secret. If you talk to one girl in a dungeon, she'll blush and act embarrassed, while the other party member misinterprets her actions.
30th Jul '16 11:54:51 AM KINGBARBIE52
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[[folder:Did Adachi kinda have a point?.. (spoilers)]]

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[[folder:Did Adachi kinda have a point?.. point? (spoilers)]]


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**Adachi also argues that the only way to get ahead or be able to make something of your life is to be born with talent; otherwise you're worthless, and you can only accept or lie to yourself about that. As we see through the events of the game, and upon learning the true extent of everything that's been going on, this really ''is'' BS. Neither he nor the MC nor even Namatame were born with their own talent, instead having it bestowed upon them by an outside force, but an even more significant case is of the MC's partners; none of them were TouchedByVorlons, instead only gaining their power through the same kind of hard work and introspection that Adachi says is useless. Granted, the kids could've also raised this point and made better arguments in general, but Adachi's arguments don't hold too much water either.
30th Jul '16 11:36:11 AM KINGBARBIE52
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[[folder: "About Izanami's plans.."]]
* So [[spoiler:Izanami]] wanted to turn everyone into shadows because [[spoiler:Adachi]], who represented emptiness, had the greatest effect on the town. What would she have done if she had instead chosen [[spoiler:Namatame]] (despair) or [[spoiler:the protagonist]] (hope)? \

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[[folder: "About Izanami's plans.."]]
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* So [[spoiler:Izanami]] wanted to turn everyone into shadows because [[spoiler:Adachi]], who represented emptiness, had the greatest effect on the town. What would she have done if she had instead chosen [[spoiler:Namatame]] (despair) or [[spoiler:the protagonist]] (hope)? \


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**Well she did at least back off when "hope" won in the (true) end, so she's not totally inflexible.
29th Jul '16 11:02:55 PM KINGBARBIE52
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**Definitely for the lulz, especially considering that participants aren't allowed to back out even if signed up without their consent/knowledge.
13th Jul '16 6:31:12 PM MoPete
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*** They weren't. That was the problem. They only "found the fingerprints" on Morooka's clothes, so they could only prove that Mitsuo killed Morooka.

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*** They weren't. That was the problem. They The police only "found the fingerprints" on Morooka's clothes, so they could only prove that Mitsuo killed Morooka.Morooka. But they were so desperate to close the case that they were willing to accept Mitsuo's claim that he killed all of them.
16th Jun '16 1:03:00 PM triscion
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--> '''Yu''': Nobody knew about that. At this point we hadn't told that police about the kidnappings that weren't murders... But when Naoto read the names [from the diary] you seemed to know already. How do you explain that, [[spoiler: Adachi]]?!

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--> '''Yu''': Nobody knew about that. At this point we We hadn't told that police about the kidnappings that weren't murders... But when Naoto read the names [from the diary] you seemed to know already. How do you explain that, [[spoiler: Adachi]]?!
16th Jun '16 12:59:03 PM triscion
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** It's suspicious because, As far as the cops were concerned, there was ''no evidence to suggest there had been additional kidnappings''; In fact, they didn't know that disappearances of the main cast had been kidnappings. That's why Naoto found it strange, because even if he had overheard The Team discussing the case (Which would make for a flimsy excuse at best), he should have been asking why in the blue F#@$ would a kidnapper know their names instead of saying "Then that settles it".

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** It's suspicious because, As far as the cops were concerned, there was ''no evidence to suggest there had been additional kidnappings''; kidnappings''. In fact, they didn't know that there had been additional kidnappings; as far as they were concerned the disappearances of the main cast had been kidnappings. unrelated. That's why Naoto found it strange, because even if he had overheard The Team the team discussing the case (Which would make for a flimsy excuse at best), he should have been asking why in the blue F#@$ would a kidnapper know their names instead of saying "Then that settles it".it" like an established fact.
17th May '16 7:09:24 PM RisetteFan
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** [[spoiler: I don't think Adachi was exactly faking the vomiting at the crime scene. You can't fake "vomiting" that easily, and as a trained police detective, Adachi wouldn't really have a reason to act up having such a strong reaction. From what was seen, Adachi had no idea that Yamano would die inside the TV, nor was he aware that he could push people inside the TV when it happened: he did it in the heat of the moment, and likely expected Yamano to be trapped there for life. It seems he never expected her to reappear somewhere in Inaba. So when Yamano was found dead, the police took action: and remember, Adachi was a member of Inaba's police force at the time. Upon seeing the crime scene, Adachi probably vomited because the realization that he not only killed her, but also that the crime would be investigated by his fellow officers on the force (including Dojima), caused him to freak out. He was likely shocked and scared out of his mind at the time because of the crime turning out the way it did, as well as the fact that his colleagues, including his boss (Dojima), would investigate the crime and could possibly catch onto his action.]]


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*** As a result of that, the game likely had to record scripts for "game over" scenes for the deadlines. There are also several bad endings in the game, and there are scripts for several multiple answer questions including those that may lead to a bad ending.
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