History Headscratchers / PerfectBlue

13th Jun '17 10:27:40 PM ornitier
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** Pay close attention when "idol Mima" finishes taunting "actress Mima", opens the door behind her and joins CHAM onstage. We see the faces of the audience around Me-Mania look surprised for a moment, then they all begin cheering even louder than before, which would suggest that ''some''one certainly did step out onto the stage. It's not clear whether they actually believed that this person was Mima. Maybe the sight of a very different singer ''pretending'' to be Mima was funny enough that they all started cheering, or maybe the power of suggestion was enough to make them see what they wanted to see. The most telling reactions are from Yukiko and Rei; after "Mima" takes the stage with them, they look confused and uncomfortable, and they continue to stare after "Mima" as she leaps off the stage into the audience. This would suggest that Rumi did, in fact, appear onstage as "Mima" during that scene.

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** Pay close attention when When "idol Mima" finishes taunting "actress Mima", opens the door behind her and joins CHAM onstage. We onstage, we see the faces of the audience around Me-Mania look surprised for a moment, then they all begin cheering even louder than before, which would suggest that ''some''one certainly did step out onto the stage. It's not clear whether they actually believed that this person was Mima. Maybe the sight of a very different singer ''pretending'' to be Mima was funny enough that they all started cheering, or maybe the power of suggestion was enough to make them see what they wanted to see. The most telling reactions are from Yukiko and Rei; after "Mima" takes the stage with them, they look confused and uncomfortable, and they continue to stare after "Mima" as she leaps off the stage into the audience. This would suggest that Rumi did, in fact, appear onstage as "Mima" during that scene.
13th Jun '17 10:20:23 PM ornitier
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** Pay close attention when "idol Mima" finishes taunting "actress Mima", opens the door behind her and joins CHAM onstage. We see the faces of the audience around Me-Mania look surprised for a moment, then they all begin cheering even louder than before, which would suggest that ''some''one certainly did step out onto the stage. It's not clear whether they actually believed that this person was Mima. Maybe the sight of a very different singer ''pretending'' to be Mima was funny enough that they all started cheering, or maybe the power of suggestion was enough to make them see what they wanted to see. The most telling reactions are from Yukiko and Rei; after "Mima" takes the stage with them, they look confused and uncomfortable, and they continue to stare after "Mima" as she leaps off the stage into the audience. This would suggest that Rumi did, in fact, appear onstage as "Mima" during that scene.
8th Jun '17 12:29:50 AM Nakuyabi
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** That was probably Me-Mania's delusion of Mima jumping on stage, and the rest of the audience cheering with him.
*** Or he just imagined everyone else cheering in reaction to his delusion.
** Or [[WildMassGuessing anyone who prefers pop-idol Mima]] [[NightmareFuel sees the delusion, too...]]

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** That was probably Me-Mania's delusion hallucination of Mima jumping on stage, and the rest of the audience cheering with him.
*** Or he just imagined everyone else cheering in reaction to his delusion.
hallucination.
** Or [[WildMassGuessing anyone who prefers pop-idol Mima]] [[NightmareFuel sees the delusion, hallucination, too...]]



*** the only reason i agree with this is because of the shopping bag and clothing themselves- Mima says before " so i was in harajuka today"- and there's a picture of her holding a shopping bag on the mima's room blog- the exact same one that's in her closet filled with the bloody clothing. If the mima-killing photographer scene was a dream- was it just a coincidence that the bloody clothing are the same as the uniform she wore in the dream? or were they the same because she subconciously remembered buying them- that those were the clothing she bought to dress up as the pizza delivery person? Rumi couldn't have planted this one- since how could she know Mima would dream it- the exact same uniform of murder? the photographer is also the only one mima ( in any incarnation) we've seen killing in detail. we don't see how the screen writer, the crazy fan or the other manager are stabbed to death-we just see the results, and infer that Rumi was responsible for them one way or another. Even when Mima asks the crazy fan- "you killed them?"- me-mania might have responded because he killed the screen writer and the obnoxious guys at the concert-(remeber there was that newspaper clipping of the guy in intensive care unit in the elevator that mima saw) instead of the photographer. I can't accept that the shopping bag and clothing were just imagined by mima- since Mima never actually touches her delusions: and she picked up that shopping bag- and shoved it back into the closet- like evidence she had to hide. The only time she did interact physically with her delusions was when she was fighting Rumi dressed as pop idol-mima.

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*** the only reason i agree with this is because of the shopping bag and clothing themselves- Mima says before " so i was in harajuka today"- and there's a picture of her holding a shopping bag on the mima's Mima's room blog- the exact same one that's in her closet filled with the bloody clothing. If the mima-killing Mima-killing photographer scene was a dream- dream - was it just a coincidence that the bloody clothing are the same as the uniform she wore in the dream? or Or were they the same because she subconciously subconsciously remembered buying them- that those were the clothing she bought to dress up as the pizza delivery person? Rumi couldn't have planted this one- since how could she know Mima would dream it- the exact same uniform of murder? the photographer is also the only one mima ( in any incarnation) we've seen killing in detail. we don't see how the screen writer, the crazy fan or the other manager are stabbed to death-we just see the results, and infer that Rumi was responsible for them one way or another. Even when Mima asks the crazy fan- fa n- "you killed them?"- me-mania them?" - Me-Mania might have responded because he killed the screen writer and the obnoxious guys at the concert-(remeber concert-(remember there was that newspaper clipping of the guy in intensive care unit in the elevator that mima Mima saw) instead of the photographer. I can't accept that the shopping bag and clothing were just imagined by mima- Mima- since Mima never actually touches her delusions: hallucinations: and she picked up that shopping bag- bag - and shoved it back into the closet- closet - like evidence she had to hide. The only time she did interact physically with her delusions hallucinations was when she was fighting Rumi dressed as pop idol-mima.pop-idol-Mima.



** Remember how Rumi was driven to tears when she witnessed the rape scene? Everything before that point she was wildly opposed to the idea of Mima acting and being in sleazy scenes. After that however she is no longer opposed to the acting career or even the nude photo shoot. She even seems rather supportive of it. So I think the fact that she seemed so calm and normal after that point is because witnessing the graphic rape scene broke her mind.

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** Remember how Rumi was driven to tears when she witnessed the rape scene? Everything before that point she was wildly opposed to the idea of Mima acting and being in sleazy scenes. After that however she is no longer opposed to the acting career or even the nude photo shoot. She even seems rather supportive of it. So I think the fact that reason she seemed so calm and normal after that point is because witnessing the graphic rape scene broke her mind.



** Just one more twist to MindScrew you further, and one that doesn't really rule out any of the possibilities discussed above. Also worth noting: Mima's solo song near the ''beginning'' of the movie is apparently Rumi's voice too. Possibly a bit of {{Foreshadowing}}? My take on this is that Rumi ''is'' actually in the mental hospital and that really ''is'' Mima in the car, but that they ''have'' exchanged personalities somewhat. Just as Rumi outgrew her career as a pop-idol and took up working for a talent agency, so too has Mima outgrown her career as a pop-idol to take up acting. The differences between their voices are pretty slight anyway; Mima's voice is typically a bit squeakier as part of her "innocent little girl" persona, but gets to sounding a lot more like Rumi's lower voice as she gets more cynical and jaded (as happened to Rumi herself). Of course, if any of the above theories about Mima being psychotic and/or murderous are right, Mima's voice at the end may also qualify as a case of EvilSoundsDeep.

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** Just one more twist to MindScrew you further, and one that doesn't really rule out any of the possibilities discussed above. Also worth noting: Mima's solo song near the ''beginning'' of the movie is apparently Rumi's voice too. Possibly a bit of {{Foreshadowing}}? My take on this is that Rumi ''is'' actually in the mental hospital and that really ''is'' Mima in the car, but that they ''have'' exchanged personalities somewhat. Just as Rumi outgrew her career as a pop-idol and took up working for a talent agency, so too has Mima outgrown her career as a pop-idol to take up acting. The differences between their voices are pretty slight anyway; Mima's voice is typically a bit squeakier as part of her "innocent little girl" persona, but gets to sounding a lot more like Rumi's lower voice as she gets more cynical and jaded (as happened to Rumi herself). Of course, if any of the above theories about Mima being psychotic and/or murderous are right, Mima's "Rumi" voice at the end may also qualify as a case of EvilSoundsDeep.
7th Jun '17 9:51:22 PM Nakuyabi
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** Any explanation of the bag of bloody clothes needs to account for the fact that, immediately afterward, we learn that Mima's apartment door is chained on the inside, and she's the only one in there.

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** Any explanation of the bag of bloody clothes needs to account for the fact that, how, immediately afterward, we learn that Mima's apartment door is chained on the inside, and she's the only one in there.there.
*** Do we really ''know'' Rumi doesn't have a spare key? (She would be in the best position to acquire one, especially if Mima had to leave her keys with her while going on the set as an actress.) That chain also seems to be a relatively new installation; it wasn't shown to be on her apartment door at the beginning of the movie. Of course, considering how Mima is losing track of time by then, she could well have come home from that little shopping trip she doesn't remember and been asleep the whole time while Rumi was out murdering the photographer. It might also have been a day or two before the photographer was discovered, during which time a crazed Rumi let herself into Mima's apartment and stashed the bloody clothes in her shopping bag while Mima was out. If Mima came home from another hard day's work and crashed after finally remembering to engage that chain lock (in part because she was getting pretty ProperlyParanoid by this point), only for the victim to be discovered that evening and the press to come harass her at home the next day, that would explain how Rumi could still be the killer.
*** Of course, none of this precludes the possibility that Mima ''is'' the killer, or that her "other self" got into Rumi, making Mima the murderer by proxy. That's the problem with seeing so much of this movie ThroughTheEyesOfMadness.
7th Jun '17 9:33:56 PM Nakuyabi
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----** Just one more twist to MindScrew you further, and one that doesn't really rule out any of the possibilities discussed above. Also worth noting: Mima's solo song near the ''beginning'' of the movie is apparently Rumi's voice too. Possibly a bit of {{Foreshadowing}}? My take on this is that Rumi ''is'' actually in the mental hospital and that really ''is'' Mima in the car, but that they ''have'' exchanged personalities somewhat. Just as Rumi outgrew her career as a pop-idol and took up working for a talent agency, so too has Mima outgrown her career as a pop-idol to take up acting. The differences between their voices are pretty slight anyway; Mima's voice is typically a bit squeakier as part of her "innocent little girl" persona, but gets to sounding a lot more like Rumi's lower voice as she gets more cynical and jaded (as happened to Rumi herself). Of course, if any of the above theories about Mima being psychotic and/or murderous are right, Mima's voice at the end may also qualify as a case of EvilSoundsDeep.
3rd Nov '16 11:38:46 PM JakesBrain
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23rd May '16 6:00:35 AM lady_peaseblossom
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*** ''Perfect Blue'' is all about deconstructing the concept of purity, specifically ContractualPurity. While Mima herself wasn't raped in the scene (you can clearly see that the actor playing the rapist still has his underwear on while simulating sex with her), it can still be seen as a ''metaphorical'' violation-- by performing this scene, Mima's image as a "pure" and "virginal" pop idol has been "tarnished", as her hallucination tells her. This might be the reason why she's so completely traumatized by a scene which would leave most actors feeling dirty and used.

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*** ''Perfect Blue'' is all about deconstructing the concept of purity, specifically ContractualPurity. While Mima herself wasn't raped in the scene (you can clearly see that the actor playing the rapist still has his underwear on while simulating sex with her), it can still be seen as a ''metaphorical'' violation-- by performing this scene, Mima's image as a "pure" and "virginal" pop idol has been "tarnished", as her hallucination tells her. This might be the reason why she's so completely traumatized by a scene which would leave most actors feeling dirty and used.used-- her former fans will forever be looking at her with new eyes, whether she wanted to change her image or not.
23rd May '16 5:54:35 AM lady_peaseblossom
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*** ''Perfect Blue'' is all about deconstructing the concept of purity, specifically ContractualPurity. While Mima herself wasn't raped in the scene (you can clearly see that the actor playing the rapist still has his underwear on while simulating sex with her), it can still be seen as a ''metaphorical'' violation-- by performing this scene, Mima's image as a "pure" and "virginal" pop idol has been "tarnished", as her hallucination tells her. This might be the reason why she's so completely traumatized by a scene which would leave most actors feeling dirty and used.
27th Apr '16 11:38:35 PM smalltime
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* At the end of the Japanese version, Mima speaks in Rumi's voice and you can tell she's really Rumi by looking at her hair. This brings up so many questions. Why would they release Rumi if she's still crazy? Was the Rumi she saw in the mental ward actually Mima and she's hallucinating that Mima is her? Has Mima gone crazy too?

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* At the end of the Japanese version, Mima speaks in Rumi's voice and you can tell she's really Rumi by looking at the back of her hair.head. This brings up so many questions. Why would they release Rumi if she's still crazy? Was the Rumi she saw in the mental ward actually Mima and she's hallucinating that Mima is her? Has Mima gone crazy too?
27th Apr '16 11:12:44 PM smalltime
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* At the end of the Japanese version, Mima speaks in Rumi's voice and you can tell she's really Rumi by looking at her hair. This brings up so many questions. Why would they release Rumi if she's still crazy? Was the Rumi she saw in the mental ward actually Mima and she's hallucinating that Mima is her? Has Mima gone crazy too?
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