History Headscratchers / ParanormalActivity

3rd Sep '16 2:50:51 PM PriceCheck
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* Micah: new poster child for TooDumbToLive, anyone? He kept pretty much provoking the damn thing, even when he ''knew'' it was real and dangerous. There's a difference between bravery and stupid bravado.
** And just plain stupidity.
*** Why the huge hate-on for Micah? To me, it just seemed he was possessed by a [[IncrediblyLamePun "spirit of experimentation"]]
*** Really, why the hate-on for Micah? What was he supposed to do? He tried to solve the problem, which is more than we can ever say for Katie, who's a complete idiot in every way. She tries to solve the problem with a medium, but freaks the hell out when Micah brings a Ouija board. She's told specifically that running won't help but that's the only thing she's ever tried in her life. If Micah's too dumb to live for any reason, it's because he decided to stick with the girl. Nothing else he could do would have saved him.
*** He didn't try to solve the problem, he continued to provoke it to doing things. Which is also what a Ouija board does. Meet up with anyone who believes in spirituality/wicca/etc, and everyone will tell you Ouija boards are bad news because they just invite all energies to come forward. A medium just reads the energy in the air, it doesn't make shit worse until the thing is powerful enough, as evidenced near the end. Not to mention Micah was antagonizing her and the demon for the first half of the movie, and makes damn stupid decisions the second half so he's a jackass to boot.
*** Seconded. Micah is the one who makes the problem worse. He tells Katie ''not'' to call the demonologist, talks to the demon, buys a Ouija board...this Troper is going to say that a lot of the stuff that happens in the movie is his fault.
*** Given the second and third movies show us where the demon comes from and what it actually wanted, Micah's pissing it off probably didn't do all that much. This is something that burned down their house in the past. It has, in fact, gotten that bad before then. All the demon did was show Micah the extent of its power...
* He's also a major JERK, because he kept toying and making fun of the entity without thinking that this entity ''was after his girlfriend''. And Katie? Was she into self-harming or what? Why didn't she just move out? The demon would still be after her, but she wouldn't have an asshole who kept on messing things for her.

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* Micah: new poster child for TooDumbToLive, anyone? He kept pretty much provoking the damn thing, even when he ''knew'' it was real and dangerous. There's a difference between bravery and stupid bravado.
** And just plain stupidity.
*** Why the huge hate-on for Micah? To me, it just seemed he was possessed by a [[IncrediblyLamePun "spirit of experimentation"]]
*** Really, why the hate-on for Micah? What was he supposed to do? He tried to solve the problem, which is more than we can ever say for Katie, who's a complete idiot in every way. She tries to solve the problem with a medium, but freaks the hell out when Micah brings a Ouija board. She's told specifically that running won't help but that's the only thing she's ever tried in her life. If Micah's too dumb to live for any reason, it's because he decided to stick with the girl. Nothing else he could do would have saved him.
*** He didn't try to solve the problem, he continued to provoke it to doing things. Which is also what a Ouija board does. Meet up with anyone who believes in spirituality/wicca/etc, and everyone will tell you Ouija boards are bad news because they just invite all energies to come forward. A medium just reads the energy in the air, it doesn't make shit worse until the thing is powerful enough, as evidenced near the end. Not to mention Micah was antagonizing her and the demon for the first half of the movie, and makes damn stupid decisions the second half so he's a jackass to boot.
*** Seconded. Micah is the one who makes the problem worse. He tells
About Katie ''not'' to call the demonologist, talks to the demon, buys a Ouija board...this Troper is going to say that a lot of the stuff that happens in the movie is his fault.
*** Given the second and third movies show us where the demon comes from and what it actually wanted, Micah's pissing it off probably didn't do all that much. This is something that burned down their house in the past. It has, in fact, gotten that bad before then. All the demon did was show Micah the extent of its power...
* He's also a major JERK, because he kept toying and making fun of the entity without thinking that this entity ''was after his girlfriend''. And Katie?
staying. Was she into self-harming or what? Why didn't she just move out? The demon would still be after her, but she wouldn't have an asshole who kept on messing things for her.



* Imagine you are stuck in a house with Micah for '''three years''', not being able to leave or touch anything but listen to him constantly 24 hours a day since he doesn't even have a job to make him leave the damn house. Oh, and you're a supernatural entity who cannot sleep, cannot entertain yourself, and can barely move a set of keys around. Oh, and he plays guitar, badly. Now imagine after three years of this hellish existence this jerkoff starts calling you names and whining about you and insulting you. That's the real FridgeHorror of this movie. Who wouldn't want to carve him up at that point?
** The demon wasn't shown to be hanging around Katie when she was with Micah until that last month though, which shows just how damn annoying he really was.
*** This Troper now subscribes to this theory.
* This troper found Dan to be an even bigger jerkass than Micah. Okay, not really, but seriously, his daughter shows him the tape, the door slams shut for ''no fucking reason'' but oh, it's just "the wind." Even if it had come in through the windows, it would have to be a relatively strong wind to blow the door shut!
** And even if he could convince himself that it was just the wind, how could he have explained the door locking on its own?
** To be fair, he ''was'' still supremely angry at Ali for going outside by herself in the middle of the night - a reasonable reaction from a parent. That said, the door not only slamming closed, but ''locking'' on its own should have had him at least inspecting the doors to see if they were in proper working order. That's a safety hazard there, Dan.
*** This Troper was more bothered by the fact that Dan didn't seem to care how terrified Ali was after locking herself out of the house. Maybe it's because this troper isn't a parent, but I sympathized way more with Ali than with Dan.
*** The foolish reactions of [[TheUnfairSex all the menfolks in these movies]] seems to be based on just about every televised account of a [[VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory 'real' haunting]] I've seen. The kids and the wife see all the supernatural weirdness and start to freak, but [[BumblingDad dear old daddy]] never admits to it, even if he's just seen Lucifer tap-dancing down the hall while playing a polka version of ''Highway to Hell'' on an accordion. Really, after a while it starts to feel like [[XMeetsY Scooby-Doo meets the Lifetime Channel]].
* Forget the men folk, how about Julie in the 3rd movie? All that stuff we just bitched about Dan for happens with her, only worse?



* The footprints in the flour. Judging by their size, the demon/whatever seems to be about four feet tall. Adorable!
** How do you judge its height based on their ''size?'' Are you referring to their ''depth?'' And keep in mind that the demon could leave footprints of any depth according to its preference, and if you could see what the demon looked like it would not be adorable, even if it was only four feet tall.
*** You have a point. I don't think anthropologists can guess a person's height from the size of their feet--I'm pretty sure they need a leg bone or something else for that. Also, not everyone who is tall has big feet--my entire family (except my mother) has smaller than average feet despite the fact that most of us are taller than average. Thanks, Dad!
*** It had three toes. I'm going to guess ''not'' adorable, unless it looked like some sort of miniature Big Bird.
*** It had three toes, about for feet tall, a complete and total SOB... are you sure the demon isn't freeza from dragon ball Z?
** [[EnfantTerrible Aaaaaaaah!]]
** Remember, the original depiction of demons (before they were associated with Greek Gods like Pan) gave them ''bird's'' feet rather than a cloven hoof. Trying to judge height based on the size of the feet might not work as well as it could using human proportions.
** In the fourth movie, [[spoiler:the Kinect's tracking dots DO outline a pint-sized, child-shaped entity, even when the children aren't looking at it. Who says demons have to be large to be menacing]]?



* Sure, if they moved to another house the new people wouldn't believe them. But if they woke up in the middle of the night to find their new tenant being dragged down the hall by absolutely nothing whatsoever, then they -would- believe...
** And how would that have helped the situation?
*** Maybe the neighbor would be more sensible than either Micah or Katie and would call an exorcist.
* Did anybody else think the "scary noises" in the middle of the night just sounded like the demon was playing the drums? It seemed less like a threatening presence in the house and more like an annoying roommate.
** I had a similar thought, specifically "NEIL PERT'S BECOME A VENGEFUL SPIRIT!!"
*** Sure it wasn't Keith Moon? It'd explain why he trashed the house in the sequel.
** To me it sounded more like someone walking around a house in the middle of the night and slamming their foot into one thing after another while trying not to curse outloud.
* The fact that the entity is explicitly stated to be a demon rather than a ghost. Maybe this is just personal preference. Ghost? Scary. Demon? A little too far out of the realm of possibility for me to willingly suspend my disbelief. Same reason I couldn't help but roll my eyes at the GhostHunters during the first couple of seasons when they'd start talking about "demonic" hauntings as opposed to the other kind.
** What? I'm not trying to be rude, but that stament is very confusing. Could you please clarify so that I can make an appropriate response?
*** They're saying that they couldn't take the movie seriously because it's a lot easier for them to believe in a ghost than a demon. Definitely a personal thing, for some people it's the other way around.
** If it makes you feel better, just assume that demon means "Inherently evil ghost"
*** No it does not. In the context of this movie a "ghost" means the spirit of a former living human being. AFAICR when the ghost expert says the entity is a demon, he even adds "for lack of a better word". He doesn't mean that it's a red scaly creature with horns and a tail that serves [[Music/BlackSabbath the Prince of Darkness]]. He just made clear this being is not a "ghost" ''per se'' since it is not now nor was it ever human... it's ''something else''.
*** An EldritchAbomination?
*** Essentially, yes. Also, FairFolk. The problem with trying to understand the psychology of something that is not and never has been human is that we are and always have been human. This automatically and permanently renders us incapable of understanding its wants and needs. This is the first lesson in theoretical xenopsychology trying to guess how aliens would act, should we ever meet them. Now back to the EldritchAbomination portion, we don't even know which rules of physics apply to it and which don't. For all we know there could be a "just as scared of you as you are of him" situation in effect. Rewatch the movie. Go into it with the mindset of someone who found Micah's body and is trying to figure out what happened. Then come back here and discuss.
*** I just took "demon" as meaning "negative psychic force", which worked for the first movie, but went right out the window when they start talking about deals with evil in the sequel.

** I always assumed it meant an incorporeal entity packing a lot of bad mojo.






* Not a gripe against the movie, but more of feeling bad for Ali. I just think it's a damn shame that she found the footage of the door slamming shut, but not of Hunter begin pulled out of his crib. Her dad might have believed her much sooner if that had been the case. Though since she only knew about the door, it makes sense that that's what she was searching for.












* This is something I noticed in the third and fourth movie; apparently the demon is vulnerable to grown men. Think about it; apart from the first one, in which the demon was probably as annoyed with Micah as the audience was, in the second one, Katie kills Dan first, in the third, Dennis manages to put up quite a fight, and in the fourth Alex says that [[spoiler: Doug was the only one who could make Wyatt/Hunter get out of his trances]]. It kind of makes sense, since the cult is apparently made up of only women and women can get possessed quite easily.
27th Aug '16 2:44:17 AM Firesheep
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** It was the 80's, that's was a way to make a slideshow of photos back then quickly and easily.
26th Oct '15 3:40:48 PM ErikModi
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** If the demon really does need to feed on negative energy to get stronger, than it may be weak after each supernatural "exertion." It may retreat to a place people rarely go to recharge, to minimize chances of it being encountered in a weakened state.
26th Oct '15 3:35:30 PM ErikModi
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*** Micah pretty clearly didn't believe in the demon to start with, or if he did, it was as a parlor gag (think the "ghost theme park" plans in Beetlejuice.) His main motivation for the cameras was to catch something really cool on tape, get his fifteen minutes of fame, and maybe make some money. Which is why he went about antagonizing it: nothing the demon had done yet on film was "cool" enough to be marketable. He also had a completely unrealistic (if that's the right word when one is talking about a demonic antagonist in a found footage horror movie) expectations of what the demon was and what it could do, since he had no frame of reference. Katie, who'd lived with this thing her whole life, knew that shit would get really bad if Micah didn't lay off, and tried several times to warn him. He didn't listen, because as the old saying goes, only the burned believe in fire. Sure, once it becomes obvious that the demon is actually real, and a threat, he ignores a lot of the advice, but that can easily be put down to male ego. As mentioned, he wanted to protect what was "his:" his girlfriend and his house. Basically, early in the film, he didn't believe the demon could be a threat, so he provoked it because he wanted to get something really cool on film. Once he realized it was a threat, it was way too late to do anything about it. Sure, it's stupid, but it's also a very understandable human reaction. We often don't see the lines until we're way past them. Hence another old saying, "hindsight is always 20/20."
24th Oct '15 7:16:25 PM AzureOwl
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*** [[WordOfGod Word of God]] says that the crucifix that Katie was holding, while not doing much against the demon, was the only thing left protecting her. (And honestly, if I were an atheist and an actual real live demon started setting things on fire and screwing up my sleep schedule, [[ArbitrarySkepticism I'd start believing really, really fast]].

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*** [[WordOfGod Word of God]] WordOfGod says that the crucifix that Katie was holding, while not doing much against the demon, was the only thing left protecting her. (And honestly, if I were an atheist and an actual real live demon started setting things on fire and screwing up my sleep schedule, [[ArbitrarySkepticism I'd start believing really, really fast]].


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**** The 6th movie, ''The Ghost Dimension'' confirms that Christian symbols like rosaries and the Bible offer a measure of protection against the demon. It is also weakened by holy water.
5th Oct '15 5:09:20 PM ACondomFullOfCrisco
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* So, how much [[spoiler: control over her actions does Kristi have?]] Because being controlled by the demon seems to have [[spoiler: robbed her of her free will in killing Micah, her sister, and her sister's husband.]] So, in the fourth movie, [[spoiler: did she make a FaceHeelTurn or was she ForcedIntoEvil?]]

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* So, how much [[spoiler: control over her actions does Kristi Katie have?]] Because being controlled by the demon seems to have [[spoiler: robbed her of her free will in killing Micah, her sister, and her sister's husband.]] So, in the fourth movie, [[spoiler: did she make a FaceHeelTurn or was she ForcedIntoEvil?]]
5th Oct '15 5:08:58 PM ACondomFullOfCrisco
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* So, how much [[spoiler: control over her actions does Kristi have?]] Because being controlled by the demon seems to have [[spoiler: robbed her of her free will in killing Micah, her sister, and her sister's husband.]] So, in the fourth movie, [[spoiler: did she make a FaceHeelTurn or was she ForcedIntoEvil?]]
21st Aug '15 4:23:27 AM Talia_T
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** A thought, if Hunter's soul is so important (even if it's only because he's the first born son), that seems to imply in the paranormal activity universe at least, souls exist. The soul is believed to be what lives after death, and in the case of reincarnation. The demon may wait for the soul of Katie or Kristi (or any of their dead relative's) soul to be reborn, and grow. Until another male is born to those descendants?
11th Jul '15 3:13:04 PM Jgorgon
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*** Since they know for a fact that demons, at least, are real, that would make them {{Flat Earth Atheist}}s.
22nd Jan '15 11:28:04 AM Cybaria
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**** To be fair, let's say he did kick the ever living piss out the old ladies... Then the police came. Not much Dennis can do to protect Katie/Kriti if he's locked up in jail for attacking old ladies, whom he claims are demon cult worshipers.
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